Pro Life vs Pro Choice

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

by being Pro Life all I'm doing is protecting the lives ofbabies and the weak, is that really a bad thing to do.

First, if you don't want to have kids don't have sex, or atleast not unprotected. If you honestly don't think you can handle a kid don't tempt fate. The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

2nd Is it honestly that hard to give a child up for adoption if you can't keep it?

on the topic of Euthanasia, people don't realize that almost all pain can be stopped... People also don't realize that its never the patient that ask to die by Euthanasia once the pain stops.

SoBaus

Everything you say is wrong, i dont even know where to begin.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

by being Pro Life all I'm doing is protecting the lives ofbabies and the weak, is that really a bad thing to do.

First, if you don't want to have kids don't have sex, or atleast not unprotected. If you honestly don't think you can handle a kid don't tempt fate. The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

2nd Is it honestly that hard to give a child up for adoption if you can't keep it?

on the topic of Euthanasia, people don't realize that almost all pain can be stopped... People also don't realize that its never the patient that ask to die by Euthanasia once the pain stops.

DroidPhysX

Everything you say is wrong, i dont even know where to begin.

Ive got alot more weight in my opinion than most here.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Then abortionists should find the murder of infants quite acceptable.SolidSnake35

WHen you say abortionists, do you mean the person that performs abortions, in the way an artist creates art. Or is it a catch all for anyone who is pro-choice under any and all circumstances?

THat is a bit insulting but I can understand your point of view.

The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

Fundai

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

by being Pro Life all I'm doing is protecting the lives ofbabies and the weak, is that really a bad thing to do.

First, if you don't want to have kids don't have sex, or atleast not unprotected. If you honestly don't think you can handle a kid don't tempt fate. The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

2nd Is it honestly that hard to give a child up for adoption if you can't keep it?

on the topic of Euthanasia, people don't realize that almost all pain can be stopped... People also don't realize that its never the patient that ask to die by Euthanasia once the pain stops.

SoBaus

Everything you say is wrong, i dont even know where to begin.

Please, begin telling me where I'm wrong.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]How can an opinion be wrong?SoBaus

Ive got alot more weight in my opinion than most here.

Well, then tell us all what we should think and then we'll just end this thread.

Ive got alot more weight in my opinion than most here.

SoBaus

You have a massive view of your own opinion and self importance, you come across as condescending and arrogant, I am not trying to insult you I am just letting you know in case you were not aware.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

by being Pro Life all I'm doing is protecting the lives ofbabies and the weak, is that really a bad thing to do.

First, if you don't want to have kids don't have sex, or atleast not unprotected. If you honestly don't think you can handle a kid don't tempt fate. The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

2nd Is it honestly that hard to give a child up for adoption if you can't keep it?

on the topic of Euthanasia, people don't realize that almost all pain can be stopped... People also don't realize that its never the patient that ask to die by Euthanasia once the pain stops.

DroidPhysX

Everything you say is wrong, i dont even know where to begin.

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

toast_burner

You may or may not be being sarcastic, but check the Wikipedia page if you want to know its purpose, and can't tell by yourself.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

Fundai

You may or may not be being sarcastic, but check the Wikipedia page if you want to know its purpose.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

Fundai

You may or may not be being sarcastic, but check the Wikipedia page if you want to know its purpose, and can't tell by yourself.

He is right, almost all sex that occurs has the opposite intention (i.e. not to get pregnant)

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Nope. Just pleasure

toast_burner

You may or may not be being sarcastic, but check the Wikipedia page if you want to know its purpose.

Oh well, true.:P

Maybe there working on that... But it'd be a little creepy so see a pregnant man if you don't mind me saying. :P

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Nope. Just pleasure

tenaka2

You may or may not be being sarcastic, but check the Wikipedia page if you want to know its purpose, and can't tell by yourself.

He is right, almost all sex that occurs has the opposite intention (i.e. not to get pregnant)

Because Humans just make the mistake to do it all for pleausure, not rembering the reason we have those parts is too reproduce.

Some people don't look at it in those purely economical terms. For example, if a single mother who wouldn't give her baby a good life is thinking about abortion, then pro-choice people would tell her to do it. The reasoning is that the mother would be better off without raising that kid, and the kid would not become a criminal, thus destroying his life and others who put up with his criminal activity. Ok, I get that.

But pro-life people think of it as murder. You can't kill a 12 year old kid just because he's making it hard financially on his family. You can't kill a 12 year old kid just because he's becoming a thug. In the mind of a pro-life person, nobody has the right to kill anybody at any age. So if you can't kill somebody at 12 years old, then you can't kill them at 3 weeks old in the womb.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

by being Pro Life all I'm doing is protecting the lives ofbabies and the weak, is that really a bad thing to do.

First, if you don't want to have kids don't have sex, or atleast not unprotected. If you honestly don't think you can handle a kid don't tempt fate. The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

2nd Is it honestly that hard to give a child up for adoption if you can't keep it?

on the topic of Euthanasia, people don't realize that almost all pain can be stopped... People also don't realize that its never the patient that ask to die by Euthanasia once the pain stops.

Fundai

Everything you say is wrong, i dont even know where to begin.

Please, begin telling me where I'm wrong.

Well first im gonna trump your ass due to the fact that god killed my child.

2nd always used protection, but adoption can ruin the life of a mother.

And in terms of euthanasia, not all pain can be stopped.... thats the entire reason DR.Kevorkian did what he did.

You are a child afterall.

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

Everything you say is wrong, i dont even know where to begin.

SoBaus

Please, begin telling me where I'm wrong.

Well first im gonna trump your ass due to the fact that god killed my child.

2nd always used protection, but adoption can ruin the life of a mother.

And in terms of euthanasia, not all pain can be stopped.... thats the entire reason DR.Kevorkian did what he did.

You are a child afterall.

Dude, the fact your shild died makes me feel nothing but Sympathy for you. Just have to say that. What makes you think God killed your child? Don't you think if It there is God out there (As you said) your child is in a better place? Don't you think maybe it was just time for he/she to go?

Read "the Shack" by William P. Young.. It could explain it too you much better than I can...

Second, what does this really have to do with abortion? Don't you think your child is glad that they got to live? To breathe? Not be killed before bitrth.

Adoption can really ruin the life of a mother more than killing the baby??? :? how?

Euthanasia is the killing off a weak individual. You don't know what that person wants. If they actually wish to die because theres no hope for them anyway, they may do it of natural causes... But legalizing Euthanasia will just lead to problems down the road.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

Please, begin telling me where I'm wrong.

Fundai

Well first im gonna trump your ass due to the fact that god killed my child.

2nd always used protection, but adoption can ruin the life of a mother.

And in terms of euthanasia, not all pain can be stopped.... thats the entire reason DR.Kevorkian did what he did.

You are a child afterall.

Dude, the fact your shild died makes me feel nothing but Sympathy for you. Just have to say that. What makes you think go killed your child? Don't you think if It there is God out there (As you said) your child is in a better place? Don't you think maybe it was just time for he/she to go?

Read "the Shack" by William P. Young.. It could explain it too you much b etter than I can.

Second, what does this really have to do with abortion? Don't you think your child is glad that they got to live? To breathe? Not be killed before bitrth.

Adoption can really ruin the life of a mother more than killing the baby??? :? how?

Euthanasia is the killing off a weak individual. You don't know what that person wants. If they actually wish to die because theres no hope for them anyway, they may do it of natural causes... But legalizing Euthanasia will just lead to problems down the road.

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

Well first im gonna trump your ass due to the fact that god killed my child.

2nd always used protection, but adoption can ruin the life of a mother.

And in terms of euthanasia, not all pain can be stopped.... thats the entire reason DR.Kevorkian did what he did.

You are a child afterall.

DroidPhysX

Dude, the fact your shild died makes me feel nothing but Sympathy for you. Just have to say that. What makes you think go killed your child? Don't you think if It there is God out there (As you said) your child is in a better place? Don't you think maybe it was just time for he/she to go?

Read "the Shack" by William P. Young.. It could explain it too you much b etter than I can.

Second, what does this really have to do with abortion? Don't you think your child is glad that they got to live? To breathe? Not be killed before bitrth.

Adoption can really ruin the life of a mother more than killing the baby??? :? how?

Euthanasia is the killing off a weak individual. You don't know what that person wants. If they actually wish to die because theres no hope for them anyway, they may do it of natural causes... But legalizing Euthanasia will just lead to problems down the road.

life begins at conception, it says so in every textbook about animals... Why would it be different for humans? Your still depriving what will ba child of the chance to live...

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Fundai"]

Dude, the fact your shild died makes me feel nothing but Sympathy for you. Just have to say that. What makes you think go killed your child? Don't you think if It there is God out there (As you said) your child is in a better place? Don't you think maybe it was just time for he/she to go?

Read "the Shack" by William P. Young.. It could explain it too you much b etter than I can.

Second, what does this really have to do with abortion? Don't you think your child is glad that they got to live? To breathe? Not be killed before bitrth.

Adoption can really ruin the life of a mother more than killing the baby??? :? how?

Euthanasia is the killing off a weak individual. You don't know what that person wants. If they actually wish to die because theres no hope for them anyway, they may do it of natural causes... But legalizing Euthanasia will just lead to problems down the road.

Fundai

life begins at conception, it says so in every textbook about animals... Why would it be different for humans? Your still depriving what will ba child of the chance to live...

A fetus isn't a baby.DroidPhysX

Pretty broad statement there. Care to put any limits at all on that? Or are you OK with killing "it" as long as it has not cleared the birth canal? Does the fact that a fetus/baby can survive outside the womb after as little as 5 months gestation give you any pause whatsoever at declaring it a tissue mass with no expectation of protection?

I'm not willing to call it a human life at the moment of conception, but there has to be some point during the pregnancy that we recognize it as a human life worthy of the same protections from deliberate harm as the rest of us have.

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] A fetus isn't a baby.DroidPhysX

life begins at conception, it says so in every textbook about animals... Why would it be different for humans? Your still depriving what will ba child of the chance to live...

I can agree that scientist arn't agreed on it at least, but In my opinion it starts at conception. of course your opinion is entitled to be different.

However your still gonna be deprving what will be a child of its future.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

Please, begin telling me where I'm wrong.

Fundai

Well first im gonna trump your ass due to the fact that god killed my child.

2nd always used protection, but adoption can ruin the life of a mother.

And in terms of euthanasia, not all pain can be stopped.... thats the entire reason DR.Kevorkian did what he did.

You are a child afterall.

Dude, the fact your shild died makes me feel nothing but Sympathy for you. Just have to say that. What makes you think God killed your child? Don't you think if It there is God out there (As you said) your child is in a better place? Don't you think maybe it was just time for he/she to go?

Read "the Shack" by William P. Young.. It could explain it too you much better than I can...

Second, what does this really have to do with abortion? Don't you think your child is glad that they got to live? To breathe? Not be killed before bitrth.

Adoption can really ruin the life of a mother more than killing the baby??? :? how?

Euthanasia is the killing off a weak individual. You don't know what that person wants. If they actually wish to die because theres no hope for them anyway, they may do it of natural causes... But legalizing Euthanasia will just lead to problems down the road.

Child is dead, my best friend was killed around the same time. If i believe in god, hes a horribly petty being punishing me for believing in him. If i take the scientific appraoch. Its a just bad circumstance... if its god i got a dude to kill.

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

Well first im gonna trump your ass due to the fact that god killed my child.

2nd always used protection, but adoption can ruin the life of a mother.

And in terms of euthanasia, not all pain can be stopped.... thats the entire reason DR.Kevorkian did what he did.

You are a child afterall.

SoBaus

Dude, the fact your shild died makes me feel nothing but Sympathy for you. Just have to say that. What makes you think God killed your child? Don't you think if It there is God out there (As you said) your child is in a better place? Don't you think maybe it was just time for he/she to go?

Read "the Shack" by William P. Young.. It could explain it too you much better than I can...

Second, what does this really have to do with abortion? Don't you think your child is glad that they got to live? To breathe? Not be killed before bitrth.

Adoption can really ruin the life of a mother more than killing the baby??? :? how?

Euthanasia is the killing off a weak individual. You don't know what that person wants. If they actually wish to die because theres no hope for them anyway, they may do it of natural causes... But legalizing Euthanasia will just lead to problems down the road.

Child is dead, my best friend was killed around the same time. If i believe in god, hes a horribly petty being punishing me for believing in him. If i take the scientific appraoch. Its a just bad circumstance... if its god i got a dude to kill.

So God's a horribly petty being? I think God would have known this was gonna happen long before it did. Maybe he's saved the life of yours and others around you? You wouldn't know and thank him for it because you wouldn't know.

But now were offtopic as far as pro Life an Pro Choice goes. Like I said, read that book. It may help you see it in a new way.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]A fetus isn't a baby.collegeboy64

Pretty broad statement there. Care to put any limits at all on that? Or are you OK with killing "it" as long as it has not cleared the birth canal? Does the fact that a fetus/baby can survive outside the womb after as little as 5 months gestation give you any pause whatsoever at declaring it a tissue mass with no expectation of protection?

I'm not willing to call it a human life at the moment of conception, but there has to be some point during the pregnancy that we recognize it as a human life worthy of the same protections from deliberate harm as the rest of us have.

so you are willing to say god killed my child, because i never did nothing to upset him?

he also killed my best friend, because why the hell not? thank god this is the internet because i might do some freelance plastic surgery if it wasnt.

Keep telling me why i deserve this though.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]A fetus isn't a baby.SoBaus

Pretty broad statement there. Care to put any limits at all on that? Or are you OK with killing "it" as long as it has not cleared the birth canal? Does the fact that a fetus/baby can survive outside the womb after as little as 5 months gestation give you any pause whatsoever at declaring it a tissue mass with no expectation of protection?

I'm not willing to call it a human life at the moment of conception, but there has to be some point during the pregnancy that we recognize it as a human life worthy of the same protections from deliberate harm as the rest of us have.

so you are willing to say god killed my child, because i never did nothing to upset him?

he also killed my best friend, because why the hell not? thank god this is the internet because i might do some freelance plastic surgery if it wasnt.

Keep telling me why i deserve this though.

If science isnt science and is cells, that means god hates me, and wants me to hurt others.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Pretty broad statement there. Care to put any limits at all on that? Or are you OK with killing "it" as long as it has not cleared the birth canal? Does the fact that a fetus/baby can survive outside the womb after as little as 5 months gestation give you any pause whatsoever at declaring it a tissue mass with no expectation of protection?

I'm not willing to call it a human life at the moment of conception, but there has to be some point during the pregnancy that we recognize it as a human life worthy of the same protections from deliberate harm as the rest of us have.

SoBaus

so you are willing to say god killed my child, because i never did nothing to upset him?

he also killed my best friend, because why the hell not? thank god this is the internet because i might do some freelance plastic surgery if it wasnt.

Keep telling me why i deserve this though.

If science isnt science and is cells, that means god hates me, and wants me to hurt others.

Right Now i'm not quite sure what your talking about. First you quoted something that isn't quite realted tothe death of your child in a practical way.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Pretty broad statement there. Care to put any limits at all on that? Or are you OK with killing "it" as long as it has not cleared the birth canal? Does the fact that a fetus/baby can survive outside the womb after as little as 5 months gestation give you any pause whatsoever at declaring it a tissue mass with no expectation of protection?

I'm not willing to call it a human life at the moment of conception, but there has to be some point during the pregnancy that we recognize it as a human life worthy of the same protections from deliberate harm as the rest of us have.

SoBaus

so you are willing to say god killed my child, because i never did nothing to upset him?

he also killed my best friend, because why the hell not? thank god this is the internet because i might do some freelance plastic surgery if it wasnt.

Keep telling me why i deserve this though.

If science isnt science and is cells, that means god hates me, and wants me to hurt others.

I think your aim is off a little there friend. Not really sure why what I said seems to have touched a nerve with you.

I don't pretend to know the mind of God, or of fate. I have no idea why you have been dealt the hand you have.

My only point in this debate is that we need to come to some kind of an agreement as a society about when a fetus becomes a human life that we afford legal protection to against being intentionally killed. For me personally, that lies somewhere between conception and full birth. Right now, I lean towards some kind of a viability-outside-the-womb standard be applied. If that is determined to be 5 months gestation, then before 5 months its a tissue mass that the host can dispose of as she chooses. After 5 months its as human a life as any 1 day old infant and intentionally killing it carries the same penalty.

I'm really really sorry about the rough times you have had. I wish you success in overcoming your grief and getting on with your life.

personally, in my personal life i am Pro-Life.

politically (in regards to other people) Pro-Choice.

though i haven't really hesitated in the past to tell people i am rather disturbed when people treat the abortion clinic like it's a gas station stand (goes to it frequently). There are ways to avoid pregnancies.... should probably try them rather then always resort to the clinic.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

so you are willing to say god killed my child, because i never did nothing to upset him?

he also killed my best friend, because why the hell not? thank god this is the internet because i might do some freelance plastic surgery if it wasnt.

Keep telling me why i deserve this though.

collegeboy64

If science isnt science and is cells, that means god hates me, and wants me to hurt others.

I think your aim is off a little there friend. Not really sure why what I said seems to have touched a nerve with you.

I don't pretend to know the mind of God, or of fate. I have no idea why you have been dealt the hand you have.

My only point in this debate is that we need to come to some kind of an agreement as a society about when a fetus becomes a human life that we afford legal protection to against being intentionally killed. For me personally, that lies somewhere between conception and full birth. Right now, I lean towards some kind of a viability-outside-the-womb standard be applied. If that is determined to be 5 months gestation, then before 5 months its a tissue mass that the host can dispose of as she chooses. After 5 months its as human a life as any 1 day old infant and intentionally killing it carries the same penalty.

I'm really really sorry about the rough times you have had. I wish you success in overcoming your grief and getting on with your life.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

If science isnt science and is cells, that means god hates me, and wants me to hurt others.

DroidPhysX

I think your aim is off a little there friend. Not really sure why what I said seems to have touched a nerve with you.

I don't pretend to know the mind of God, or of fate. I have no idea why you have been dealt the hand you have.

My only point in this debate is that we need to come to some kind of an agreement as a society about when a fetus becomes a human life that we afford legal protection to against being intentionally killed. For me personally, that lies somewhere between conception and full birth. Right now, I lean towards some kind of a viability-outside-the-womb standard be applied. If that is determined to be 5 months gestation, then before 5 months its a tissue mass that the host can dispose of as she chooses. After 5 months its as human a life as any 1 day old infant and intentionally killing it carries the same penalty.

I'm really really sorry about the rough times you have had. I wish you success in overcoming your grief and getting on with your life.

Why is that? Why can't it be written in to law that after, say, 6 months of gestation, the life inside the woman is deemed a human life and gets all the legal protections a new born baby gets?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

I think your aim is off a little there friend. Not really sure why what I said seems to have touched a nerve with you.

I don't pretend to know the mind of God, or of fate. I have no idea why you have been dealt the hand you have.

My only point in this debate is that we need to come to some kind of an agreement as a society about when a fetus becomes a human life that we afford legal protection to against being intentionally killed. For me personally, that lies somewhere between conception and full birth. Right now, I lean towards some kind of a viability-outside-the-womb standard be applied. If that is determined to be 5 months gestation, then before 5 months its a tissue mass that the host can dispose of as she chooses. After 5 months its as human a life as any 1 day old infant and intentionally killing it carries the same penalty.

I'm really really sorry about the rough times you have had. I wish you success in overcoming your grief and getting on with your life.

collegeboy64

Why is that? Why can't it be written in to law that after, say, 6 months of gestation, the life inside the woman is deemed a human life and gets all the legal protections a new born baby gets?

The logic behind both is pretty arbitrary. I'm pro-choice because I believe that women should be given that choice in the case that they are put in circumstances they never wanted to be in.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] In the states, a fetus can never achieve legal protection even if society agrees when human life begins.DroidPhysX

Why is that? Why can't it be written in to law that after, say, 6 months of gestation, the life inside the woman is deemed a human life and gets all the legal protections a new born baby gets?

That seems a bit thin of an argument. Especially in light of over 25 states and the federal government having laws on the books making killing a pregnant woman a double murder.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Why is that? Why can't it be written in to law that after, say, 6 months of gestation, the life inside the woman is deemed a human life and gets all the legal protections a new born baby gets?

collegeboy64

That seems a bit thin of an argument. Especially in light of over 25 states and the federal government having laws on the books making killing a pregnant woman a double murder.

personally, in my personal life i am Pro-Life.

politically (in regards to other people) Pro-Choice.

SaudiFury

This position confuses me greatly.

I have mixed feelings on the subject.

I have mixed feelings on the subject.

sonicare

How so?

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

personally, in my personal life i am Pro-Life.

politically (in regards to other people) Pro-Choice.

Storm_Marine

This position confuses me greatly.

In regards to strangers and others, i am pro-choice.

The idea basically is, i have my own belief while realizing that others don't agree.

Plus even i recognize that special circumstances may require abortion in order for the woman to survive. Which i'd probably support if under the circumstances.

The one that i don't agree with is if i'm involved with a woman who wants kids, has sex, is pregnant and suddenly parenthood is too close, better off just killing it - I am 100% against it. Have the kid, i'll take care of it, and she can go her own way.

If she has an abortion or precedes to cause an abortion on purpose, then we are done.

My own beliefs =/= Other beliefs.

Being pro-choice politically does not hamper my personal of being pro-life.

Being pro-life politically that infringes upon others who view the world differently then i do.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

personally, in my personal life i am Pro-Life.

politically (in regards to other people) Pro-Choice.

SaudiFury

This position confuses me greatly.

How come?

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

This position confuses me greatly.

Storm_Marine

How come?

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] In regards to what i do in my personal life with my partner, my opinion is pro-life. SaudiFury

How come?

So you belive it is murder?

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

How come?

Storm_Marine

So you believe it is murder?

From my perspective yes.

A lot of people here, don't though.

People seem to take the issue of abortion rather lightly, and that's always bothered me.

Also why am i getting the third degree for this belief?

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] Because I will not kill my own kid, that's why. Fairly simple really, and it's the way i see it. Others though, don't.SaudiFury

So you believe it is murder?

From my perspective yes.

A lot of people here, don't though.

People seem to take the issue of abortion rather lightly, and that's always bothered me.

Also why am i getting the third degree for this belief?

Cause that's kind of strange. It's like saying "I think it's wrong to rape someone", but "I don't really care if someone does it to someone else".

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

So you believe it is murder?

Storm_Marine

From my perspective yes.

A lot of people here, don't though.

People seem to take the issue of abortion rather lightly, and that's always bothered me.

Also why am i getting the third degree for this belief?

Cause that's kind of strange. It's like saying "I think it's wrong to rape someone", but "I don't really care if someone does it to someone else".

Unless you're a total moral relativist I don't understand how you can subscribe to that point of view.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

So you believe it is murder?

Storm_Marine

From my perspective yes.

A lot of people here, don't though.

People seem to take the issue of abortion rather lightly, and that's always bothered me.

Also why am i getting the third degree for this belief?

Cause that's kind of strange. It's like saying "I think it's wrong to rape someone", but "I don't really care if someone does it to someone else".

I am pro life and pro choice. I think abortion is wrong except in special cases. But at the same time, I think it should be each individual persons right to believe how they wish and I do not believe I have the right to force my beliefs on anybody. So I support the right to choose to have an abortion. But if I was a female, I couldn't do it myself and I wouldn't support my girl if she did it. It would end our relationship right then and there if she did. But I got fixed when I was 23, so her being pregnant would end our relationship anyways.