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#151 deactivated-598fc45371265
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The more babies that get aborted, the less chance I get stuck having to pay for one. Pro-Choice.

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#152 tocool340
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Pro-Choice. Not interested in typing out a long drawn out reason....
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#153 zombehhhhh
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Well, nowadays, my opinion has changed a little but I used to be pro-life. The way I used to see it is that an unborn baby dying is pointless because they could at least be orphans and live fulfilling lives. Now, with how our world is so overpopulated, it is probably a good idea to abort a baby that you can't raise properly.
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#154 howlrunner13
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As a Christian I guess you'd expect me to be Pro Life, but I'm Pro Semi-Choice. :P

I understand abortions in the cases of rape or the baby threatening the mother's life and such situations.

But I don't support it in any other situation.

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#155 edinsftw
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Pro Death

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#156 BlackDevil99
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pro-choice, blah blah over-population blah financial needs of family blah wouldn't want a kid myself blah rape babies blah blah all the usual reasons.

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#157 WSGRandomPerson
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I'm pro-choice.
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#158 ROFLCOPTER603
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Pro Death

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I've always wondered, why is one side called pro-life and the other pro-choice? Edinsftw's answer seems the best description. Calling the pro-abortion side "pro-choice" almost seems to lessen the consequences of an abortion, and focus the issue not on the fetus but on the mother's"choice"in orderto put it ina positive light.

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#159 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Choice.. As a man I believe I should have no say what so ever in what a woman can and cannot do with her own body.. Even if it involves my future offspring.. The amount of effort directly I put in it was a sexual climax.. A woman has to go through extreme and painful health condition 9 months and beyond depending on complications and other such things.
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#160 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

Pro Death

ROFLCOPTER603

I've always wondered, why is one side called pro-life and the other pro-choice? Edinsftw's answer seems the best description. Calling the pro-abortion side "pro-choice" almost seems to lessen the consequences of an abortion, and focus the issue not on the fetus but on the mother's"choice"in orderto put it ina positive light.

Because its not about being for abortion.. Its about giving the woman the right to decide.. Thats the point.. A person can personally detest abortion, but they feel that its none of their say of the matter in what a person can do with their own body.

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#161 martinX3X
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omg i dont know!?!?!? :P

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#162 Rockman999
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Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

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#163 edinsftw
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[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

Pro Death

ROFLCOPTER603

I've always wondered, why is one side called pro-life and the other pro-choice? Edinsftw's answer seems the best description. Calling the pro-abortion side "pro-choice" almost seems to lessen the consequences of an abortion, and focus the issue not on the fetus but on the mother's"choice"in orderto put it ina positive light.

You misunderstand, i think there are enough children.

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#164 yarow12
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[QUOTE="Setsa"]I don't really know what to make of the whole debate, because there's really too much grey area too really definitively say either side is right or wrong.

Finally, I can read it! XD
I'm pro-life and I'm only for abortions if it endangers the mother's life or is a product of rape or incest.JustPlainLucas
So, you are perfectly fine with getting rid of incest fetuses? How about incest-born people?

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#165 mindstorm
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Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

Rockman999
Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?
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#166 CaveJohnson1
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Up until the point where there's actual brain activity, which I believe is at about 20 weeks, I don't see how it's arguable that it's a human, after that it's a gray area.

Notably 90% of abortions are within the first month of pregnency where the fetus is smaller than a quarter.

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#167 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

mindstorm

Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?

Well birth control I think is most people's first choice.

Its usually when that doesnt work (for whatever reason) that they choose abortion.

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#168 Kenny789
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If people want an abortion, the best thing would be to educate them about the pros and cons. If the woman still wants to abort the baby, let her. I hate how people it as the most evil thing in the world. Another solution I guess would be to have the women go through the pregnancy and then keep the baby for yourself but I heard and read that it's painful for a mother to go through all that and just give the baby away. Anyway pro-choice since everyone has the right to make their own choices.
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#169 onebeelo
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pro choice even though i do think its murder i think its up to the mother to decide. it is her body and she will have to live with the pain for 9 months. altohugh it is murder it is not done out of any anger or is not assciated with the mother being a danger to society. the baby is alive or has started the 'alive' phase when it conceieved but it is unaware of anything i think it should be the mothers choice always
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#170 Vesica_Prime
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Pro-choice here, the way I see it people are going to have abortions one way or the other via methods that I'm not allowed to discuss.

So in my opinion, you may as well give them a safe place with qualified medical doctors to have an abortion in rather than in the back alley or some other unsanitary area.

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#171 onebeelo
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

mindstorm
Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?

those things are not 100% going to work. and if i took every precaution with protection and pills and she still ended up pregnant i would damn well that that abortion. also what about if the couple decide to have a baby and then 7 months in the father runs away with another girl or the father dies. it is not right to force a woman to raise the child. she should choose
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#172 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

Teenaged

Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?

Well birth control I think is most people's first choice.

Its usually when that doesnt work (for whatever reason) that they choose abortion.

Unless you catholic, birth control is not allowed.

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#173 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?tenaka2

Well birth control I think is most people's first choice.

Its usually when that doesnt work (for whatever reason) that they choose abortion.

Unless you catholic, birth control is not allowed.

Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?

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#174 Lyncaster
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Some people want abortions and some people don't. If you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one, but don't force your views on people who do want an abortion

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This. 100% Don't force your beliefs in people. Why people hate Jehovahs Witnesses so much :P
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#175 tenaka2
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Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?

Teenaged

No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.

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#176 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?

tenaka2

No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.

Ah.

Well I doubt most Catholics dont use birth control methods and I havent heard of what you say about those countries. You mean first world countries?

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?

Teenaged

No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.

Ah.

Well I doubt most Catholics dont use birth control methods and I havent heard of what you say about those countries. You mean first world countries?

Africa gets mentioned quite a bit.

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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

mindstorm

Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?

Birth contol doesn't always work, condoms can tear. With adoption you still have to put up with the 9 months of pregnancy

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#179 The-Tree
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Some people want abortions and some people don't. If you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one, but don't force your views on people who do want an abortion.

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This pretty much sums up my entire opinion on abortion.

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#180 YellowOneKinobi
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You gotta be pretty darn confident to be pro life, amirite?

I figure there are 2 basic positions.....

If i wasnt born... the world would be much worse without me. (pro-life)

or

If I wasnt born... the world would be fine without me (pro-choice)

IF i was aborted the net result would probably be i annoy less people on forums.... everyone would prolly be better off if i was aborted. Guess im the pro choice poster boy. Maybe ill even convert a few guys once they think about how seriously annoying i am.

SoBaus

No, you are not right. The arguements for/against abortion go far beyond one individual.

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#181 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460
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Choice.. As a man I believe I should have no say what so ever in what a woman can and cannot do with her own body.. Even if it involves my future offspring.. The amount of effort directly I put in it was a sexual climax.. A woman has to go through extreme and painful health condition 9 months and beyond depending on complications and other such things.sSubZerOo
I'm all for women's rights, but that includes women in the womb as well...

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#182 lowkey254
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I'm not sure of what the purpose of this topic is.

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#183 Palantas
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[QUOTE="I"]

The more babies that get aborted, the less chance I get stuck having to pay for one. Pro-Choice.

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What is this? I don't even....

I'm unclear if you're actually asking me question or just expressing your emotions.

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my view on abortion is that we should KILL ALL BABIES!!!!
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#185 Commander-Gree
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I'm pro-life for the most part. Abortions in the very early stages of pregnancy are perhaps okay in some circumstances, but once the baby has started developing I believe that the baby's right to life is stronger than the woman's right to choose. Just my opinion.
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#186 comp_atkins
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abortions for all....

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#187 tenaka2
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Most of the anti abortion people seem to also be religious, is there a correlation?

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?

tenaka2

No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.

I.E. the incredible amonunt of aids in Africa.

Thanks Christianity, you've killed millions because ur leaders are a bunch of virgins, that don't know anything about sex.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Choice.. As a man I believe I should have no say what so ever in what a woman can and cannot do with her own body.. Even if it involves my future offspring.. The amount of effort directly I put in it was a sexual climax.. A woman has to go through extreme and painful health condition 9 months and beyond depending on complications and other such things.racer8dan

I'm all for women's rights, but that includes women in the womb as well...

..... Thats great but I feel that for at least the first trimester I can not classify the fetus as a individual..

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?

CaveJohnson1

No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.

I.E. the incredible amonunt of aids in Africa.

Thanks Christianity,

You do know that not every Christians approves with that their high religious figure says right? You just basically generalized a whole religion.
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?

Teenaged

No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.

Ah.

Well I doubt most Catholics dont use birth control methods and I havent heard of what you say about those countries. You mean first world countries?

The African continent, as well as Central and South America are having huge problems in this area.

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[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.

DroidPhysX

I.E. the incredible amonunt of aids in Africa.

Thanks Christianity,

You do know that not every Christians approves with that their high religious figure says right? You just basically generalized a whole religion.

Then why follow organized religion?

Maybe I should say more along the lines of "thanks leaders of christianity, you've killed millions through ignorance"

Also, I feel that u should never take sex advice from virgins, especially virgins who are sexually repressed and have high numbers of pedos among their numbers.

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#193 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

mindstorm

Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?

:| It usually isn't.. Its like that jackass politician who tried to claim that 90% of Planned Parenthood's funds is towards abortion.. When its in fact like 3%..

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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

mindstorm
Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?

Perhaps if the people against abortion would stop trying to advocate abstinence only education and favor a comprehensive sex initiative I could see your argument making sense. Best way to stop abortions? Stop unwanted pregnancies. Best way to stop unwanted pregnancies? Sex education and giving teenagers wide access to contraceptives.
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#195 CaveJohnson1
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

mindstorm

Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?

Nobody has abortion as their first choice, unwanted pregnencies generally occur because of stupidies of people who don't understand how to use contraceptives correctly.

Also I think it's noteworty to say that abortions legality has resulted in lower crime rates.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]I.E. the incredible amonunt of aids in Africa.

Thanks Christianity,

CaveJohnson1

You do know that not every Christians approves with that their high religious figure says right? You just basically generalized a whole religion.

Then why follow organized religion?

Maybe I should say more along the lines of "thanks leaders of christianity, you've killed millions through ignorance"

Also, I feel that u should never take sex advice from virgins, especially virgins who are sexually repressed and have high numbers of pedos among their numbers.

Not every Archbishop is a pedophile. :|

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#197 CaveJohnson1
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

HoolaHoopMan

Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?

Perhaps if the people against abortion would stop trying to advocate abstinence only education and favor a comprehensive sex initiative I could see your argument making sense. Best way to stop abortions? Stop unwanted pregnancies. Best way to stop unwanted pregnancies? Sex education and giving teenagers wide access to contraceptives.

Notably abstinence has been shown to correlate with an increase in pregnancies.

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.

CaveJohnson1

Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?

Nobody has abortion as their first choice, unwanted pregnencies generally occur because of stupidies of people who don't understand how to use contraceptives correctly.

Also I think it's noteworty to say that abortions legality has resulted in lower crime rates.

Well it is also note worthy to point out that the majority of rapes studies say has gone unreported to the police for multiple reasons..

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#199 CaveJohnson1
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[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] You do know that not every Christians approves with that their high religious figure says right? You just basically generalized a whole religion.DroidPhysX

Then why follow organized religion?

Maybe I should say more along the lines of "thanks leaders of christianity, you've killed millions through ignorance"

Also, I feel that u should never take sex advice from virgins, especially virgins who are sexually repressed and have high numbers of pedos among their numbers.

Not every Archbishop is a pedophile. :|

Alot are, and I bet the numbers are higher than were led to believe to the abuse keeping their mouths shut and the organization covering it up.

Still, don't take sex advice from repressed virgins. common sense.

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#200 deactivated-5a79221380856
Member since 2007 • 13125 Posts
@TC So, you're pro-choice because you think the world would be better without people like you. Why don't you let you decide how you should live and instead of let others decide for you? That's why I'm pro-life.