The more babies that get aborted, the less chance I get stuck having to pay for one. Pro-Choice.
Palantas
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The more babies that get aborted, the less chance I get stuck having to pay for one. Pro-Choice.
Palantas
What is this? I don't even....
As a Christian I guess you'd expect me to be Pro Life, but I'm Pro Semi-Choice. :P
I understand abortions in the cases of rape or the baby threatening the mother's life and such situations.
But I don't support it in any other situation.
pro-choice, blah blah over-population blah financial needs of family blah wouldn't want a kid myself blah rape babies blah blah all the usual reasons.
Pro Death
edinsftw
I've always wondered, why is one side called pro-life and the other pro-choice? Edinsftw's answer seems the best description. Calling the pro-abortion side "pro-choice" almost seems to lessen the consequences of an abortion, and focus the issue not on the fetus but on the mother's"choice"in orderto put it ina positive light.
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Pro Death
ROFLCOPTER603
I've always wondered, why is one side called pro-life and the other pro-choice? Edinsftw's answer seems the best description. Calling the pro-abortion side "pro-choice" almost seems to lessen the consequences of an abortion, and focus the issue not on the fetus but on the mother's"choice"in orderto put it ina positive light.
Because its not about being for abortion.. Its about giving the woman the right to decide.. Thats the point.. A person can personally detest abortion, but they feel that its none of their say of the matter in what a person can do with their own body.
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Pro Death
ROFLCOPTER603
I've always wondered, why is one side called pro-life and the other pro-choice? Edinsftw's answer seems the best description. Calling the pro-abortion side "pro-choice" almost seems to lessen the consequences of an abortion, and focus the issue not on the fetus but on the mother's"choice"in orderto put it ina positive light.
You misunderstand, i think there are enough children.
I'm pro-life and I'm only for abortions if it endangers the mother's life or is a product of rape or incest.JustPlainLucasSo, you are perfectly fine with getting rid of incest fetuses? How about incest-born people?
HaPro Death
edinsftw
Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.
Rockman999
Up until the point where there's actual brain activity, which I believe is at about 20 weeks, I don't see how it's arguable that it's a human, after that it's a gray area.
Notably 90% of abortions are within the first month of pregnency where the fetus is smaller than a quarter.
[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?Well birth control I think is most people's first choice.Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.
mindstorm
Its usually when that doesnt work (for whatever reason) that they choose abortion.
Pro-choice here, the way I see it people are going to have abortions one way or the other via methods that I'm not allowed to discuss.
So in my opinion, you may as well give them a safe place with qualified medical doctors to have an abortion in rather than in the back alley or some other unsanitary area.
[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary? those things are not 100% going to work. and if i took every precaution with protection and pills and she still ended up pregnant i would damn well that that abortion. also what about if the couple decide to have a baby and then 7 months in the father runs away with another girl or the father dies. it is not right to force a woman to raise the child. she should choosePro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.
mindstorm
Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?Well birth control I think is most people's first choice.[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]
Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.
Teenaged
Its usually when that doesnt work (for whatever reason) that they choose abortion.
Unless you catholic, birth control is not allowed.
Well birth control I think is most people's first choice.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?tenaka2
Its usually when that doesnt work (for whatever reason) that they choose abortion.
Unless you catholic, birth control is not allowed.
Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?This. 100% Don't force your beliefs in people. Why people hate Jehovahs Witnesses so much :PSome people want abortions and some people don't. If you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one, but don't force your views on people who do want an abortion
toast_burner
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?
tenaka2
No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.
Ah.Well I doubt most Catholics dont use birth control methods and I havent heard of what you say about those countries. You mean first world countries?
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?
Teenaged
No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.
Ah.Well I doubt most Catholics dont use birth control methods and I havent heard of what you say about those countries. You mean first world countries?
Africa gets mentioned quite a bit.
[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?Birth contol doesn't always work, condoms can tear. With adoption you still have to put up with the 9 months of pregnancyPro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.
mindstorm
No, you are not right. The arguements for/against abortion go far beyond one individual.You gotta be pretty darn confident to be pro life, amirite?
I figure there are 2 basic positions.....
If i wasnt born... the world would be much worse without me. (pro-life)
or
If I wasnt born... the world would be fine without me (pro-choice)
IF i was aborted the net result would probably be i annoy less people on forums.... everyone would prolly be better off if i was aborted. Guess im the pro choice poster boy. Maybe ill even convert a few guys once they think about how seriously annoying i am.
SoBaus
Choice.. As a man I believe I should have no say what so ever in what a woman can and cannot do with her own body.. Even if it involves my future offspring.. The amount of effort directly I put in it was a sexual climax.. A woman has to go through extreme and painful health condition 9 months and beyond depending on complications and other such things.sSubZerOoI'm all for women's rights, but that includes women in the womb as well...
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?
tenaka2
No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.
I.E. the incredible amonunt of aids in Africa.Thanks Christianity, you've killed millions because ur leaders are a bunch of virgins, that don't know anything about sex.
I'm all for women's rights, but that includes women in the womb as well...[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Choice.. As a man I believe I should have no say what so ever in what a woman can and cannot do with her own body.. Even if it involves my future offspring.. The amount of effort directly I put in it was a sexual climax.. A woman has to go through extreme and painful health condition 9 months and beyond depending on complications and other such things.racer8dan
..... Thats great but I feel that for at least the first trimester I can not classify the fetus as a individual..
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?
CaveJohnson1
No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.
I.E. the incredible amonunt of aids in Africa.Thanks Christianity,
You do know that not every Christians approves with that their high religious figure says right? You just basically generalized a whole religion.[QUOTE="tenaka2"]
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Birth control is only allowed for Catholics?
Teenaged
No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.
Ah.Well I doubt most Catholics dont use birth control methods and I havent heard of what you say about those countries. You mean first world countries?
The African continent, as well as Central and South America are having huge problems in this area.
[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]I.E. the incredible amonunt of aids in Africa.[QUOTE="tenaka2"]
No contraception is forbidden for catholics, which causes problems with disease control in some countries.
DroidPhysX
Thanks Christianity,
You do know that not every Christians approves with that their high religious figure says right? You just basically generalized a whole religion.Then why follow organized religion?
Maybe I should say more along the lines of "thanks leaders of christianity, you've killed millions through ignorance"
Also, I feel that u should never take sex advice from virgins, especially virgins who are sexually repressed and have high numbers of pedos among their numbers.
[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary?Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.
mindstorm
:| It usually isn't.. Its like that jackass politician who tried to claim that 90% of Planned Parenthood's funds is towards abortion.. When its in fact like 3%..
[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary? Perhaps if the people against abortion would stop trying to advocate abstinence only education and favor a comprehensive sex initiative I could see your argument making sense. Best way to stop abortions? Stop unwanted pregnancies. Best way to stop unwanted pregnancies? Sex education and giving teenagers wide access to contraceptives.Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.
mindstorm
[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary? Nobody has abortion as their first choice, unwanted pregnencies generally occur because of stupidies of people who don't understand how to use contraceptives correctly.Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.
mindstorm
Also I think it's noteworty to say that abortions legality has resulted in lower crime rates.
You do know that not every Christians approves with that their high religious figure says right? You just basically generalized a whole religion.[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]I.E. the incredible amonunt of aids in Africa.
Thanks Christianity,
CaveJohnson1
Then why follow organized religion?
Maybe I should say more along the lines of "thanks leaders of christianity, you've killed millions through ignorance"
Also, I feel that u should never take sex advice from virgins, especially virgins who are sexually repressed and have high numbers of pedos among their numbers.
Not every Archbishop is a pedophile. :|[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary? Perhaps if the people against abortion would stop trying to advocate abstinence only education and favor a comprehensive sex initiative I could see your argument making sense. Best way to stop abortions? Stop unwanted pregnancies. Best way to stop unwanted pregnancies? Sex education and giving teenagers wide access to contraceptives. Notably abstinence has been shown to correlate with an increase in pregnancies.Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.
HoolaHoopMan
Only those who are raped are forced to do such a thing and even then there is the option of adoption. Why is birth control, abstinence, and adoption so often seen as second choices with abortion being the primary? Nobody has abortion as their first choice, unwanted pregnencies generally occur because of stupidies of people who don't understand how to use contraceptives correctly.[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]
Pro-choice, no one should be forced to take up the burden of raising another human being.
CaveJohnson1
Also I think it's noteworty to say that abortions legality has resulted in lower crime rates.
Well it is also note worthy to point out that the majority of rapes studies say has gone unreported to the police for multiple reasons..
[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] You do know that not every Christians approves with that their high religious figure says right? You just basically generalized a whole religion.DroidPhysX
Then why follow organized religion?
Maybe I should say more along the lines of "thanks leaders of christianity, you've killed millions through ignorance"
Also, I feel that u should never take sex advice from virgins, especially virgins who are sexually repressed and have high numbers of pedos among their numbers.
Not every Archbishop is a pedophile. :|Alot are, and I bet the numbers are higher than were led to believe to the abuse keeping their mouths shut and the organization covering it up.Still, don't take sex advice from repressed virgins. common sense.
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