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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Barbariser"]Of course you do, you made the claim thus you need to prove it. The burden of proof rest of the person making the claim not the person hearing the claim. Global warming. Someone brought that up (corporations). And we have yet to see the coasts of the world flood to destroy all of the cities.ummm, maybe because it is scientifically predicted that the shores should flood in dozens of years from now????? No scientist has ever said that any city will be flood by 2011??? If your gona criticize global warming, at least do some real research on itYou don't need to prove that God doesn't exist to claim that he doesn't, just like you don't need proof that my 15-inch invisible golden penis doesn't exist to claim that I don't have one.
LOXO7
Stop acting that humanity deserve respect. I'm not going to even address that quote sense you greatly exaggerated.are you being sarcastic. Humanity doesnt deserve respect????[QUOTE="Nicksonman"] What an insult to humanity that is...alexside1
Global warming. Someone brought that up (corporations). And we have yet to see the coasts of the world flood to destroy all of the cities.ummm, maybe because it is scientifically predicted that the shores should flood in dozens of years from now????? No scientist has ever said that any city will be flood by 2011??? If your gona criticize global warming, at least do some real research on itWhy should I criticize something that's made up and something I don't believe in? Huh. Sort of like atheist do to God.[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="alexside1"] Of course you do, you made the claim thus you need to prove it. The burden of proof rest of the person making the claim not the person hearing the claim.BossPerson
[QUOTE="alexside1"]Stop acting that humanity deserve respect. I'm not going to even address that quote sense you greatly exaggerated.are you being sarcastic. Humanity doesnt deserve respect???? I'm quite serious, I'm pessimistic when it comes to humanity, because the source of huge *hit coming out of them. Why should god respect humanity? Why does humanity do anything for god that deserves respect? This is the same humanity that actions: World hunger Wars Lies Etc. Hell I can take 2 hours writing this stuff. All of "bad" things are the result of two things. Man and nature. There is no reason whatsoever that should be responsible for this. Nature is just doing it's thing from the beginning of time. If man did something "good" that great, but doesn't mean god automatically respect him because of that. I swear these days, rather than people get used to living they b*tch to GOD as if were going to make life any better.[QUOTE="Nicksonman"] What an insult to humanity that is...BossPerson
[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] Explain.LOXO7I do not need to explain something that is so f*cking obvious. I forget what the type of learning this is. Maybe you can enlighten me? When I was in school my science books had Pluto as a planet in our solar system. But now they say Pluto isn't a planet and the children's science books don't have Pluto as a planet. What do you think the future generation will think of Pluto now, is it a planet or not? The kind of learning that repeats it's self. Everyone keeps saying it over and over. Sort of like when people thought the world was flat. Everyone just accepted it because people in power said it was so. What is this teaching called? Dude you used some lame ass argument that was used by the infamous user name AV. What you're arguing about is just an example of definitions changing. Man you do NOT understand the basic of science from reading this.
Man saw the moon and worshipped it in the nox (night). The moon is "sin". That is why you see the people of Moses, led to the Mount Sinai (the moon of sin; a volcanoe at that time).
God is actually, Dogma.
Atheism is a religion; it has firm beliefs that there is no god; preferably that there is no Canaanite deity that controls the elohim; the 28 elohim for the 28 lunar cycle during a month (new to full moon)
Atheism fails because they are too lazy to understand the gnosticism and important of a relationship between the stars and man.
Have you been taking drugs lately? Because what you wrote make no sense.Man saw the moon and worshipped it in the nox (night). The moon is "sin". That is why you see the people of Moses, led to the Mount Sinai (the moon of sin; a volcanoe at that time).
God is actually, Dogma.
Atheism is a religion; it has firm beliefs that there is no god; preferably that there is no Canaanite deity that controls the elohim; the 28 elohim for the 28 lunar cycle during a month (new to full moon)
Atheism fails because they are too lazy to understand the gnosticism and important of a relationship between the stars and man.
TheStatusQuo
I have no beef with atheists, just people who try to destroy my beliefs simply because they have nothing better to do, no matter who they are or what they believe in. You are no better than the common troll.
(Sorry for seeming like a mindless Christian, I'm completely openminded, but this thread only exists to piss people off.)
There's only one reason needed... All religion points to books written by men. Religion is man made and if you look back far enough to the very beginning of each of the main religions you will find that what got them to spread was not "faith" it was brute force by armies controlled by monarchs and warlords. When democracy kicked in religion stopped spreading and now its used to separate people and fuel wars. Religion has always been a tool and its origins point to a man. Religion is a weapon of war and has caused more deaths than all diseases combined.Religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity.Grey_Eyed_ElfLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I hope you were joking...Nearly every conflict that has occurred on this planet had no affiliation with religion.
[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]There's only one reason needed... All religion points to books written by men. Religion is man made and if you look back far enough to the very beginning of each of the main religions you will find that what got them to spread was not "faith" it was brute force by armies controlled by monarchs and warlords. When democracy kicked in religion stopped spreading and now its used to separate people and fuel wars. Religion has always been a tool and its origins point to a man. Religion is a weapon of war and has caused more deaths than all diseases combined.Religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity.Nayef_shroof
Well, technically, EVERY creation of mankind has lead to some form of fighting, same as them leading to some form of progress. Religion did cause hundreds of millions of lives, but it also set laws of morals and ethics, lead to early central governments, some promoted peace in regions of war. Point is, you can fight religion all you want, but It was one of the major, if not THE major driving point, behind humanities progression to civilzation as it united groups of peoples into a larger faction of equal beliefs and morals. There is no arguing that.
That doesn't explain anything.
God gave the world to humans. Old testament times he did do a bit of policing. New testament he backs off the policing, just watching things play out. We as humans have free will to do anything. Nukes, Hitler or whatever. Hitler had the free will to do anything. My question is why would a whole nation follow such a guy? Because they were corrupt as f*ck. Nukes are here because humans made it. What do you expect God to do? Reach down and take it away? No. He gave humans free will to do as they please. Your actions will determine your outcome in life.
Well, now that we've exhausted some of the generic (and moronic) pro-religion arguments, let's start in with some generic (and moronic) anti-religion ones. :roll:chessmaster1989
I thought the pictures provided a very compelling argument. I didn't even bother to read the text.
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]No one controls the earth. It's an active planet. One of the costs of living on an active planet is that this stuff happens.I know that. But when your going to blame a character from a book, at least have a basic understanding of the book first.God doesn't control the earth, the devil does. Read the bible
RandoIph
Old testament times he did do a bit of policing.ristactionjaksoIf by policing you mean bloodthirsty rage and murder, then yeah, he did that a lot in the OT. He "backed off" in the NT because the NT and OT are entirely different religions with a shaky at best connection being made because the Christians need their copy pasted messiah to have some legitimacy.
"God watches everyone all the time and sends you to hell to suffer through all eternity if you break his rules, but he loves you. He loves you and he needs money. He always needs more money"
A freaking priest here owns his own TV channel (he is a freaking billionaire). I don't CARE if god exists, I don't like this god, so he doesn't have my respect.
I know that. But when your going to blame a character from a book, at least have a basic understanding of the book first.toast_burnerSaid book also claims he can do anything and nothing is impossible for him. So an excuse that basically says "He can't do that because that's something only the devil can do" makes no sense. The two do not mesh. Apparently your post also highlights that most Christians do not read the bible, as every earthquake, tornado outbreak, and etc. is immediately declared to be a sign of Yahweh's displeasure of something, usually gay people. Said book also says God is love, but if you have the power to save a loved one from misery and a horrible death, and you do not do it, that is not love. The two do not mesh at all. If I had two children who were angry at each other, and stepped back and gave them free will to work out their problems, and they beat each other half to death with blunt objects, I would be arrested and treated like an obscene monster, and rightfully so. Of course I would propose he doesn't intervene because he can't, because non-existence precludes such intervention.
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]I know that. But when your going to blame a character from a book, at least have a basic understanding of the book first.RandoIphSaid book also claims he can do anything and nothing is impossible for him. So an excuse that basically says "He can't do that because that's something only the devil can do" makes no sense. The two do not mesh. Apparently your post also highlights that most Christians do not read the bible, as every earthquake, tornado outbreak, and etc. is immediately declared to be a sign of Yahweh's displeasure of something, usually gay people. Said book also says God is love, but if you have the power to save a loved one from misery and a horrible death, and you do not do it, that is not love. The two do not mesh at all. If I had two children who were angry at each other, and stepped back and gave them free will to work out their problems, and they beat each other half to death with blunt objects, I would be arrested and treated like an obscene monster, and rightfully so. Of course I would propose he doesn't intervene because he can't, because non-existence precludes such intervention.You're preaching to the choir
Ok, I'm going to give a warning first: I'm not trying to be offensive(even if I am being offensive), but (if you're close minded, DO NOT READ THE SPOILERS)
[spoiler] It saddens me so much (it really does) that so many people still believe in religion. Heck, the simple fact that you have to "Accept it as truth, and do not ask questions or seek proof" is enough proof for me that it's simply a lie to control people [/spoiler]
[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]Old testament times he did do a bit of policing.RandoIphIf by policing you mean bloodthirsty rage and murder, then yeah, he did that a lot in the OT. He "backed off" in the NT because the NT and OT are entirely different religions with a shaky at best connection being made because the Christians need their copy pasted messiah to have some legitimacy.No. He did just as the topic poster was talking about. He rid the world of evil. Sodom and Gemora, the great flood...He did do as what the topic poster was asking. New testament is the now times. People have free will and get punished or rewarded based on their faith and actions.
If by policing you mean bloodthirsty rage and murder, then yeah, he did that a lot in the OT. He "backed off" in the NT because the NT and OT are entirely different religions with a shaky at best connection being made because the Christians need their copy pasted messiah to have some legitimacy.No. He did just as the topic poster was talking about. He rid the world of evil. Sodom and Gemora, the great flood...He did do as what the topic poster was asking. New testament is the now times. People have free will and get punished or rewarded based on their faith and actions.In the old testiment he seemed to be more pissed at nonbelievers and sodomites than evil people.[QUOTE="RandoIph"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]Old testament times he did do a bit of policing.ristactionjakso
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[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]There's only one reason needed... All religion points to books written by men. Religion is man made and if you look back far enough to the very beginning of each of the main religions you will find that what got them to spread was not "faith" it was brute force by armies controlled by monarchs and warlords. When democracy kicked in religion stopped spreading and now its used to separate people and fuel wars. Religion has always been a tool and its origins point to a man. Religion is a weapon of war and has caused more deaths than all diseases combined.Religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity.WiiCubeM1
Well, technically, EVERY creation of mankind has lead to some form of fighting, same as them leading to some form of progress. Religion did cause hundreds of millions of lives, but it also set laws of morals and ethics, lead to early central governments, some promoted peace in regions of war. Point is, you can fight religion all you want, but It was one of the major, if not THE major driving point, behind humanities progression to civilzation as it united groups of peoples into a larger faction of equal beliefs and morals. There is no arguing that.
As of right now the only they do is holding back progression, and prevent the further development of civil liberties.
No one controls the earth. It's an active planet. One of the costs of living on an active planet is that this stuff happens.I know that. But when your going to blame a character from a book, at least have a basic understanding of the book first.[QUOTE="RandoIph"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]
God doesn't control the earth, the devil does. Read the bible
toast_burner
people can only enjoy well written novels. :P
No. He did just as the topic poster was talking about. He rid the world of evil. Sodom and Gemora, the great flood...He did do as what the topic poster was asking. New testament is the now times. People have free will and get punished or rewarded based on their faith and actions.ristactionjaksoLMAO. Another Christian in denial about the contents of the OT. How sad. Mass murdering damn near the entire world for not following him is not ridding the world of evil, it is itself an act of evil. Of course I say this while full well recognizing that the "great flood" did not happen at all. Please do not try to justify the biblical account of it, you can't be that idiotic. Sodom and Gommorah. His main guy that was in one of those cities, he offered up his own daughters to a violent crowd to be raped. What a swell guy, truly a pillar of virtues. Totally the only one worth saving. Or how about when he orders his armies into a city and command them to rip open any pregnant women and dash their babies heads against the rocks for the crime of being born exactly where he presumably as their creator, had them be born? How was the cleansing the world of evil? If someone marched an army across the middle east and slaughtered millions of people for having a different religion, would we praise them for cleansing the world of evil? No, we would amass a huge army and move to end their evil. Because thats what those actions are, evil. whether done by man, or God.
Actually the problem of evil is one of the most powerful arguments against an omnibenevolent and omnipotent god.That's your reasoning huh? He should stop the world from working? Stop tectonic plate shifts, affect human's free will, smite people down at will.
There are so many better reasons, and you choose the one that primary school children query? *shakes head*
chaoscougar1
Yeah none of that has nothing to do with god being real or fake, those events just occured and every human has free will-(talking about the hiroshima bombing) God judges when your dead not when your alive things just happen on this planet and theres no reason or scientific explination for it.
Tsunami's are natural and all of those events besides a few are natural events that have occured countless amount of times through out the earths history.
Death is apart of the process of life and no matter how you put it it will happen, whether its in the worst way possible or the most peaceful way,(dying in your sleep)
Me personally I do believe in god and I do believe that he can help you somehow, just when you dont expect it in my opinion
Lol.
I don't know if there's one supreme god,but i'm quite certain that higher entities and spirits are VERY real.
It's really naive and ignorant to think they don't.
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