Proof that God DOESNT exist (in an Athiests eyes)

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[QUOTE="Person0"] But God allowed it to die and since it never had a chance to do anything then it would have to go to hell right? So God gets rid of free choice and forces a person to go to hell?Person0

I never said the baby chose to die... babies go to Heaven when they die - as does everyone incapable of knowing right from wrong.

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[QUOTE="Person0"] But God could create unlimited resources and he would if he was good and all powerful.Person0

Who's to say he hasn't created unlimited resources? Are you basing that statement off of our world's resources? As if we know what's beyond Earth?

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Who's to say he hasn't created unlimited resources? Are you basing that statement off of our world's resources? As if we know what's beyond Earth?

Thuganomic05

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Thuganomic05"] So just keep saving people from death? How would our world be then? There would be NOTHING - the population would destroy all our resources and then we'd be living in everlasting peril.

Thuganomic05

Who's to say he hasn't created unlimited resources? Are you basing that statement off of our world's resources? As if we know what's beyond Earth?

is so sad to argue against sheep, errr, i mean religious people, simply put if god is omnipotent yet he doesnt give a damn to do anything for the people, he allows things like disease, murder, theftt, rape and so many other things to exist. Tell me one good reason why should a 3-4 year old kid get erminal cancer and live painful for the rest of his life? Sheep will always find an excuse to rationalize that even though it makes no sense.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"] So just keep saving people from death? How would our world be then? There would be NOTHING - the population would destroy all our resources and then we'd be living in everlasting peril.

Thuganomic05

Does God not have the power to prevent that? Why would he choose an option of pain and suffering?

Life is a gift from God.. nothing less. You live your life devoting it to him so that you can live eternally in Heaven. Why would you want to live somewhere like a utopia? Where life is a breeze and there are no ups or downs and everything is just there for you? It's part of life.

Why did he create Hell? and why does he allow/Create people to be sent there?

And isn't the whole point of Heaven is to be a Utopia?

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[QUOTE="Person0"] You just said that if people never died then no resources would be left. Why wouldn't god give us easy access to unlimited resources instead of on other planets.Person0

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

Evolution and its theories are laughable.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

Thuganomic05

Evolution and its theories are laughable.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Who's to say he hasn't created unlimited resources? Are you basing that statement off of our world's resources? As if we know what's beyond Earth?

Thuganomic05

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

hell yeah send billions of unborn people to hell for the sins of 2 people we dont even know if they existed, i always love that part on your fiction book. Specially the part that says god is all love, but he created a specially painful place to be able to torture us all eternity, hes so kind!

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] But God could create unlimited resources and he would if he was good and all powerful.Krelian-co

Who's to say he hasn't created unlimited resources? Are you basing that statement off of our world's resources? As if we know what's beyond Earth?

is so sad to argue against sheep, errr, i mean religious people, simply put if god is omnipotent yet he doesnt give a damn to do anything for the people, he allows things like disease, murder, theftt, rape and so many other things to exist. Tell me one good reason why should a 3-4 year old kid get erminal cancer and live painful for the rest of his life? Sheep will always find an excuse to rationalize that even though it makes no sense.

So because someone is young that means they should be excluded from diseases and death? Sure it's harsh, and may seem unfair but this is life. God doesn't interfere with free will - saying that a child gets cancer is not God's fault.. He didn't give that child cancer.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

Thuganomic05

Evolution and its theories are laughable.

I have a theory, People who dispute Evolution Generally don't understand even the basics of it.

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] You just said that if people never died then no resources would be left. Why wouldn't god give us easy access to unlimited resources instead of on other planets.Krelian-co

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

hell yeah send billions of unborn people to hell for the sins of 2 people we dont even know if they existed, i always love that part on your fiction book. Specially the part that says god is all love, but he created a specially painful place to be able to torture us all eternity, hes so kind!

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[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Does God not have the power to prevent that? Why would he choose an option of pain and suffering?

mattisgod01

Life is a gift from God.. nothing less. You live your life devoting it to him so that you can live eternally in Heaven. Why would you want to live somewhere like a utopia? Where life is a breeze and there are no ups or downs and everything is just there for you? It's part of life.

Why did he create Hell? and why does he allow/Create people to be sent there?

And isn't the whole point of Heaven is to be a Utopia?

Hell was not created by God. Hell was created when angels freely chose to eternally separate themselves from God. Because angels and human beings were given free will, God allowed for the possibility of hell, but he did not directly create it.

And yes.. Heaven isn't this life though.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

Thuganomic05

Evolution and its theories are laughable.

yeah, its a lot more plausible that an imaginary god created us from earth and then women from a rib, screw hundreds of years of experimentation, the mad theory of some crazy guy 3k years ago is the truth

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Who's to say he hasn't created unlimited resources? Are you basing that statement off of our world's resources? As if we know what's beyond Earth?

Thuganomic05

is so sad to argue against sheep, errr, i mean religious people, simply put if god is omnipotent yet he doesnt give a damn to do anything for the people, he allows things like disease, murder, theftt, rape and so many other things to exist. Tell me one good reason why should a 3-4 year old kid get erminal cancer and live painful for the rest of his life? Sheep will always find an excuse to rationalize that even though it makes no sense.

So because someone is young that means they should be excluded from diseases and death? Sure it's harsh, and may seem unfair but this is life. God doesn't interfere with free will - saying that a child gets cancer is not God's fault.. He didn't give that child cancer.

Yes he did, he is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, He created the child and he created the cancer. He knew the child would get cancer, He had the power to prevent it, he didn't.

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[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Life is a gift from God.. nothing less. You live your life devoting it to him so that you can live eternally in Heaven. Why would you want to live somewhere like a utopia? Where life is a breeze and there are no ups or downs and everything is just there for you? It's part of life.

Thuganomic05

Why did he create Hell? and why does he allow/Create people to be sent there?

And isn't the whole point of Heaven is to be a Utopia?

Hell was not created by God. Hell was created when angels freely chose to eternally separate themselves from God. Because angels and human beings were given free will, God allowed for the possibility of hell, but he did not directly create it.

And yes.. Heaven isn't this life though.

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] But Adam and Eve didn't exist, go look up evolution.Person0

Evolution and its theories are laughable.

Why are you talking about gravity? I said evolution and ITS theories... not ALL theories.

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[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Evolution and its theories are laughable.

Thuganomic05

Why are you talking about gravity? I said evolution and ITS theories... not ALL theories.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Life is a gift from God.. nothing less. You live your life devoting it to him so that you can live eternally in Heaven. Why would you want to live somewhere like a utopia? Where life is a breeze and there are no ups or downs and everything is just there for you? It's part of life.

Thuganomic05

Why did he create Hell? and why does he allow/Create people to be sent there?

And isn't the whole point of Heaven is to be a Utopia?

Hell was not created by God. Hell was created when angels freely chose to eternally separate themselves from God. Because angels and human beings were given free will, God allowed for the possibility of hell, but he did not directly create it.

And yes.. Heaven isn't this life though.

The fact people can push the blame and responsability of hell away from an all powerful being is laughable.

Why would God then allow people to be sent to hell?

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] You just said that if people never died then no resources would be left. Why wouldn't god give us easy access to unlimited resources instead of on other planets.Krelian-co

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

hell yeah send billions of unborn people to hell for the sins of 2 people we dont even know if they existed, i always love that part on your fiction book. Specially the part that says god is all love, but he created a specially painful place to be able to torture us all eternity, hes so kind!

1. Adam and Eve were the first humans created --- and it's called faith.
2. God doesn't send anyone to Hell or Heaven... you make your own choices (hence the multiple free will references)
3. Calling the Bible a fiction book shows your arrogance and immaturity. You disbelive in God, yet have I spoke down to your beliefs?
5. He didn't create Hell.
6. Yes - he is all love and he is so kind.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Who's to say he hasn't created unlimited resources? Are you basing that statement off of our world's resources? As if we know what's beyond Earth?

Thuganomic05

is so sad to argue against sheep, errr, i mean religious people, simply put if god is omnipotent yet he doesnt give a damn to do anything for the people, he allows things like disease, murder, theftt, rape and so many other things to exist. Tell me one good reason why should a 3-4 year old kid get erminal cancer and live painful for the rest of his life? Sheep will always find an excuse to rationalize that even though it makes no sense.

So because someone is young that means they should be excluded from diseases and death? Sure it's harsh, and may seem unfair but this is life. God doesn't interfere with free will - saying that a child gets cancer is not God's fault.. He didn't give that child cancer.

but he did, he created cancer, he allows it to exist, and in your book it says EVERYTHING happens because he wills it so. What does it have to do disease with free will? did the kid choose to have cancer? thats a random disease that your god allowed to exist. In your book also says about sins of omision, if he can help the kid with cancer why doesn't he do it, he just stands there watching the kid scream in pain, oh but i guess you haven't had to work with kids with diseases, i had, and i will not acknoledge any superior being that stands there watching all those kids suffer without lifting a single finger, and i don't see how you hide behind the "free will" crap, bottom line you said it, is not gods fault, is a random disease that anyone can have, because its random, there is no intelligent being behind anything

1. Adam and Eve were the first humans created --- and it's called faith.
2. God doesn't send anyone to Hell or Heaven... you make your own choices (hence the multiple free will references)
3. Calling the Bible a fiction book shows your arrogance and immaturity. You disbelive in God, yet have I spoke down to your beliefs?
5. He didn't create Hell.
6. Yes - he is all love and he is so kind.

Thuganomic05

2)thats the win all arguments cop out

3) many things have been proven false in it false = fiction

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

is so sad to argue against sheep, errr, i mean religious people, simply put if god is omnipotent yet he doesnt give a damn to do anything for the people, he allows things like disease, murder, theftt, rape and so many other things to exist. Tell me one good reason why should a 3-4 year old kid get erminal cancer and live painful for the rest of his life? Sheep will always find an excuse to rationalize that even though it makes no sense.

mattisgod01

So because someone is young that means they should be excluded from diseases and death? Sure it's harsh, and may seem unfair but this is life. God doesn't interfere with free will - saying that a child gets cancer is not God's fault.. He didn't give that child cancer.

Yes he did, he is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, He created the child and he created the cancer. He knew the child would get cancer, He had the power to prevent it, he didn't.

You shouldn't say He did things when you don't know... "sin" created cancer - not God. He's not up ina lab in Heaven cooking up cancer and diseases to spread throughout the world.

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

1. Adam and Eve were the first humans created --- and it's called faith.
2. God doesn't send anyone to Hell or Heaven... you make your own choices (hence the multiple free will references)
3. Calling the Bible a fiction book shows your arrogance and immaturity. You disbelive in God, yet have I spoke down to your beliefs?
5. He didn't create Hell.
6. Yes - he is all love and he is so kind.

Person0

2)thats the win all arguments cop out

3) many things have been proven false in it false = fiction

1. What "facts"? You saying "facts disproves that" tells me nothing and furthermore gives you less credibility...
2. It's the truth.
3. Again... you've given no examples to these things in the Bible that have been "proven false".. shed some light.

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[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Life is a gift from God.. nothing less. You live your life devoting it to him so that you can live eternally in Heaven. Why would you want to live somewhere like a utopia? Where life is a breeze and there are no ups or downs and everything is just there for you? It's part of life.

Thuganomic05

Why did he create Hell? and why does he allow/Create people to be sent there?

And isn't the whole point of Heaven is to be a Utopia?

Hell was not created by God. Hell was created when angels freely chose to eternally separate themselves from God. Because angels and human beings were given free will, God allowed for the possibility of hell, but he did not directly create it.

And yes.. Heaven isn't this life though.

but HE IS all knowing, if you create someone who you know its gonna murder someone would you still create it? wouldn't you be as guilty as the murderer if you knew it was gonna happen? if he knew satan was gonna corrupt and make billions go to hell, yet he still said, screw it im gonna create it anyway is he not directly guilty of the people that go to hell?

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[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

So because someone is young that means they should be excluded from diseases and death? Sure it's harsh, and may seem unfair but this is life. God doesn't interfere with free will - saying that a child gets cancer is not God's fault.. He didn't give that child cancer.

Thuganomic05

Yes he did, he is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, He created the child and he created the cancer. He knew the child would get cancer, He had the power to prevent it, he didn't.

You shouldn't say He did things when you don't know... "sin" created cancer - not God. He's not up ina lab in Heaven cooking up cancer and diseases to spread throughout the world.

actually he is, every single spark in the universe is his work, it says so in your book. He created the genetic mutation that allows cancer to be created. And you simply ignore the little fact that he knows what was going to happen when he was creating it, yet he still did it. he created the devils, he created "sin" and he created evil, after all he created everything the good AND the bad, somehow he only gets credit for the good.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

Thuganomic05

hell yeah send billions of unborn people to hell for the sins of 2 people we dont even know if they existed, i always love that part on your fiction book. Specially the part that says god is all love, but he created a specially painful place to be able to torture us all eternity, hes so kind!

1. Adam and Eve were the first humans created --- and it's called faith.
2. God doesn't send anyone to Hell or Heaven... you make your own choices (hence the multiple free will references)
3. Calling the Bible a fiction book shows your arrogance and immaturity. You disbelive in God, yet have I spoke down to your beliefs?
5. He didn't create Hell.
6. Yes - he is all love and he is so kind.

Free will cannot exist when a being of omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence is pulling the strings. God not only knows everything that has, Is and Will happen but he caused them to happen. He knew every action every single person would take well before they ever existed and still allowed them to exist. He didn't just allow Hell to be created but he created it for the purpose of punishing people he chose to be punished long before they were born.If you or I are sent to hell God would have known that well before we existed which would mean we never had free will. You cannot claim Your God has infinite power while claiming we have free will, Do you not see the contradiction in what you are saying?

This is the logical paradox you encounter when you propose a being of omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence while trying to make him sound nothing but kind and fair.

1. What "facts"? You saying "facts disproves that" tells me nothing and furthermore gives you less credibility...
2. It's the truth.
3. Again... you've given no examples to these things in the Bible that have been "proven false".. shed some light.

Thuganomic05

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[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Why did he create Hell? and why does he allow/Create people to be sent there?

And isn't the whole point of Heaven is to be a Utopia?

Krelian-co

Hell was not created by God. Hell was created when angels freely chose to eternally separate themselves from God. Because angels and human beings were given free will, God allowed for the possibility of hell, but he did not directly create it.

And yes.. Heaven isn't this life though.

but HE IS all knowing, if you create someone who you know its gonna murder someone would you still create it? wouldn't you be as guilty as the murderer if you knew it was gonna happen? if he knew satan was gonna corrupt and make billions go to hell, yet he still said, screw it im gonna create it anyway is he not directly guilty of the people that go to hell?

God doesn't create murderers.... smh. THAT'S SIN! That is the Devil! God creates a person. After that, it's up to the person to pick between right and wrong. Saying God creates murderers is ignorant.

is just sad, everything religious people do, is ignore what people are telling them, and change subject or come with a bs answer. All his explanations are "free will" even though people aren't choosing anything there.

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[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Hell was not created by God. Hell was created when angels freely chose to eternally separate themselves from God. Because angels and human beings were given free will, God allowed for the possibility of hell, but he did not directly create it.

And yes.. Heaven isn't this life though.

Thuganomic05

but HE IS all knowing, if you create someone who you know its gonna murder someone would you still create it? wouldn't you be as guilty as the murderer if you knew it was gonna happen? if he knew satan was gonna corrupt and make billions go to hell, yet he still said, screw it im gonna create it anyway is he not directly guilty of the people that go to hell?

God doesn't create murderers.... smh. THAT'S SIN! That is the Devil! God creates a person. After that, it's up to the person to pick between right and wrong. Saying God creates murderers is ignorant.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Hell was not created by God. Hell was created when angels freely chose to eternally separate themselves from God. Because angels and human beings were given free will, God allowed for the possibility of hell, but he did not directly create it.

And yes.. Heaven isn't this life though.

Thuganomic05

but HE IS all knowing, if you create someone who you know its gonna murder someone would you still create it? wouldn't you be as guilty as the murderer if you knew it was gonna happen? if he knew satan was gonna corrupt and make billions go to hell, yet he still said, screw it im gonna create it anyway is he not directly guilty of the people that go to hell?

God doesn't create murderers.... smh. THAT'S SIN! That is the Devil! God creates a person. After that, it's up to the person to pick between right and wrong. Saying God creates murderers is ignorant.

lol that is so much bs, you really buy that? he created sin, he created "the devil", he is the beginning of everything. So yes, its him who created cancer, and murder. And yes he created the murderer also, knowing full what he was going to be.

Religious people = "oh look how beautiful that morning is, god created a beautiful world" after all he created the universe. Oh look that kid is dying he has a cancer and is only 2 years old, "wtf god doesnt have anything to do with that!" but didn't you say he created the universe, no no, thats random.

lol

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[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Hell was not created by God. Hell was created when angels freely chose to eternally separate themselves from God. Because angels and human beings were given free will, God allowed for the possibility of hell, but he did not directly create it.

And yes.. Heaven isn't this life though.

Thuganomic05

but HE IS all knowing, if you create someone who you know its gonna murder someone would you still create it? wouldn't you be as guilty as the murderer if you knew it was gonna happen? if he knew satan was gonna corrupt and make billions go to hell, yet he still said, screw it im gonna create it anyway is he not directly guilty of the people that go to hell?

God doesn't create murderers.... smh. THAT'S SIN! That is the Devil! God creates a person. After that, it's up to the person to pick between right and wrong. Saying God creates murderers is ignorant.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

— Epicurus, philosopher (c. 341-270 BCE)

1. Adam and Eve were the first humans created --- and it's called faith.Thuganomic05

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Besides the obvious fact that if nobody died there would literally be no room for everyone on Earth, the reason it is how it is, is because of the first sin. Had Adam and Eve chose not eat the fruit than we probably would be living in a utopia where there was an unlimited amount of resources and there was no sin and no death... but that's not the case...

Thuganomic05

hell yeah send billions of unborn people to hell for the sins of 2 people we dont even know if they existed, i always love that part on your fiction book. Specially the part that says god is all love, but he created a specially painful place to be able to torture us all eternity, hes so kind!

1. Adam and Eve were the first humans created --- and it's called faith.
2. God doesn't send anyone to Hell or Heaven... you make your own choices (hence the multiple free will references)
3. Calling the Bible a fiction book shows your arrogance and immaturity. You disbelive in God, yet have I spoke down to your beliefs?
5. He didn't create Hell.
6. Yes - he is all love and he is so kind.

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

1. What "facts"? You saying "facts disproves that" tells me nothing and furthermore gives you less credibility...
2. It's the truth.
3. Again... you've given no examples to these things in the Bible that have been "proven false".. shed some light.

Person0

1. Not a fact
2. Dinosaurs are in the Bible -- what exactly are they comparing these million year old carbon datings to?
3. Not sure what you're referring to with earth/sun rotation & dead people rising.

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

hell yeah send billions of unborn people to hell for the sins of 2 people we dont even know if they existed, i always love that part on your fiction book. Specially the part that says god is all love, but he created a specially painful place to be able to torture us all eternity, hes so kind!

sonofsmeagle

1. Adam and Eve were the first humans created --- and it's called faith.
2. God doesn't send anyone to Hell or Heaven... you make your own choices (hence the multiple free will references)
3. Calling the Bible a fiction book shows your arrogance and immaturity. You disbelive in God, yet have I spoke down to your beliefs?
5. He didn't create Hell.
6. Yes - he is all love and he is so kind.

How else? Do you seriously believe that the Earth just popped out of nowhere and people became humans from apes?

1. Not a fact
2. Dinosaurs are in the Bible -- what exactly are they comparing these million year old carbon datings to?
3. Not sure what you're referring to with earth/sun rotation & dead people rising.

Thuganomic05

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

1. What "facts"? You saying "facts disproves that" tells me nothing and furthermore gives you less credibility...
2. It's the truth.
3. Again... you've given no examples to these things in the Bible that have been "proven false".. shed some light.

Thuganomic05

1. Not a fact
2. Dinosaurs are in the Bible -- what exactly are they comparing these million year old carbon datings to?
3. Not sure what you're referring to with earth/sun rotation & dead people rising.

2 - Surely not serious about carbon dating comparison :?

3 - Do you believe the earth is 6000 years old not 4.5 billion?

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

but HE IS all knowing, if you create someone who you know its gonna murder someone would you still create it? wouldn't you be as guilty as the murderer if you knew it was gonna happen? if he knew satan was gonna corrupt and make billions go to hell, yet he still said, screw it im gonna create it anyway is he not directly guilty of the people that go to hell?

Krelian-co

God doesn't create murderers.... smh. THAT'S SIN! That is the Devil! God creates a person. After that, it's up to the person to pick between right and wrong. Saying God creates murderers is ignorant.

lol that is so much bs, you really buy that? he created sin, he created "the devil", he is the beginning of everything. So yes, its him who created cancer, and murder. And yes he created the murderer also, knowing full what he was going to be.

He didn't create sin.. God created the conditions where free-will creatures would be able to make a choice between obedience and disobedience to God. This condition existed when God created an angel called Lucifer who was without sin yet, apparently, had free will. Lucifer chose to rebel against God and sin (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:13-15). Likewise, Adam and Eve, having been made by God without sin, listened to the devil and chose to sin against God (Gen. 3).

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[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

1. Adam and Eve were the first humans created --- and it's called faith.
2. God doesn't send anyone to Hell or Heaven... you make your own choices (hence the multiple free will references)
3. Calling the Bible a fiction book shows your arrogance and immaturity. You disbelive in God, yet have I spoke down to your beliefs?
5. He didn't create Hell.
6. Yes - he is all love and he is so kind.

Thuganomic05

How else? Do you seriously believe that the Earth just popped out of nowhere and people became humans from apes?

[QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

1. Adam and Eve were the first humans created --- and it's called faith.
2. God doesn't send anyone to Hell or Heaven... you make your own choices (hence the multiple free will references)
3. Calling the Bible a fiction book shows your arrogance and immaturity. You disbelive in God, yet have I spoke down to your beliefs?
5. He didn't create Hell.
6. Yes - he is all love and he is so kind.

Thuganomic05

How else? Do you seriously believe that the Earth just popped out of nowhere and people became humans from apes?

I think I just had a brain aneurism

I have to get back to work - otherwise I'd continue this discussion.

It's never too late to repent ;)

--- am I the only believer on this forum? Where is everyone else? I can't answer this **** storm of questions by myself.

I have to get back to work - otherwise I'd continue this discussion.

It's never to late to repent ;)

Thuganomic05

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"] Wait let me clarify, you seriously believe the whole human race began with just a man and a woman?

How else? Do you seriously believe that the Earth just popped out of nowhere and people became humans from apes?

I think I just had a brain aneurism

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

How else? Do you seriously believe that the Earth just popped out of nowhere and people became humans from apes?

sonofsmeagle

I think I just had a brain aneurism

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

How else? Do you seriously believe that the Earth just popped out of nowhere and people became humans from apes?

I think I just had a brain aneurism

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[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

God doesn't create murderers.... smh. THAT'S SIN! That is the Devil! God creates a person. After that, it's up to the person to pick between right and wrong. Saying God creates murderers is ignorant.

Thuganomic05

lol that is so much bs, you really buy that? he created sin, he created "the devil", he is the beginning of everything. So yes, its him who created cancer, and murder. And yes he created the murderer also, knowing full what he was going to be.

He didn't create sin.. God created the conditions where free-will creatures would be able to make a choice between obedience and disobedience to God. This condition existed when God created an angel called Lucifer who was without sin yet, apparently, had free will. Lucifer chose to rebel against God and sin (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:13-15). Likewise, Adam and Eve, having been made by God without sin, listened to the devil and chose to sin against God (Gen. 3).

im going to sleep so im going to ask you a last thing: do you honestly believe it is a choise, when he before even creating you, knew what you were gonna "choose" and thwt the outcome was gonna be? its no free will thats an ilusion, he knows people are going to go to hell before they are even born becayuse he knows what that person is going to do in his life, so what choise is that? to go ahead in creating someone who is gonna suffer for the eternity? he already knows whos gonna go to hell and who doesn't yet he creates them, that alone is disgusting

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[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

How else? Do you seriously believe that the Earth just popped out of nowhere and people became humans from apes?

sonofsmeagle

I think I just had a brain aneurism

[QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] :| :| :| :| :|

I think I just had a brain aneurism