Prop 19: Rejected by voters

http://www.rollitup.org/legalization-marijuana/352325-myth-facts-prop-19-a.html

Jesus_on_fire

This deserves to be read.

The reason I'm against legalisation is because we are trying, as a society, so hard to reduce legal drug consumption that it would be hypocritical to legalise yet another drug, even if it is less harmful. Governments spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year on anti-tobacco and anti-drinking campaigns it would seem hypocritical to legalise another drug which, in 30 years time, we could have the same problem as what we do tobacco and alcohol now.

thats a great thing. the problem isn's with the drug itself it what it leads to

good, theres still some sanity left in this world

why the hell would someone not vote for it

needled24-7

People who voted no

Older conservatives

Every single dealer in the state

People who want it legal but realized a bad deal when they see it.

People who would of voted yes but didn't turn up

Young people

I hear they tried to push it through without enough support but it will keep coming back. It will pass some day soon.

I hear they tried to push it through without enough support but it will keep coming back. It will pass some day soon.

tocklestein2005

And promptly get struck down by the feds or supreme court so that it may never get passed again.

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

Wouldn't matter since the FBI would've stepped in otherwise

Rekunta

Pretty much. What good is it to try to get it legalized on the State level when the Feds are just going to walk all over it? Nice sig, btw.

Hey don't feel bad you think not voting to legalize mary jane is bad? People of Massachusetts decided that they felt a 3% decrease in sales tax was a bad thing so instead of saving money when you buy something you are paying more. Gotta love it!

Like that matters.It's easy to get and people will still smoke it.

It was pointless anyway...the DEA had full intention of still enforcing laws against Marijuana.

It's too bad that marijuana is never made legal and alcohol is still legal and it's killing people everyday, but no one cares to try and make alcohol illegal :| It just shows how 99% of people on this planet are morons.

It's too bad that marijuana is never made legal and alcohol is still legal and it's killing people everyday, but no one cares to try and make alcohol illegal :| It just shows how 99% of people on this planet are morons.

joshrocks2245

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

It's too bad that marijuana is never made legal and alcohol is still legal and it's killing people everyday, but no one cares to try and make alcohol illegal :| It just shows how 99% of people on this planet are morons.

Head_of_games

thats a great thing. the problem isn's with the drug itself it what it leads to

Cruse34

seriously....sometimes people are just freaking stupid

Old people go to midterm elections, and old people don't toke. Sucks, but the movement is saying they are going to push it next presidential election so that it can be considerered by more voters who turn out in 2012. It's just a matter of time, imo. Don't those old people know that it would help solve California's financial problems?donalbane

It wasn't just old people that caused this to fail. I doubt it was even old people by a majority.

I also think it would hurt since most of the funds gained would be going into fighting federal lawsuits and enforcing the over 9000 new laws about marijuana.

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"]

It's just unbelievable how scared people are of the idea of legalizing marijuana

XxspritexX

Well, it depends on the marijuana you're smoking. Some old variants of the plant have been spliced with varying forms of acid and, although mild, are still potentially dangerous. Most active users I know personally will tell me that their source has pure marijuana, but unless you have a botany degree and do serious research on the plant you're growing there isn't really a good way to tell.

It is addictive but not for the same reasons other drugs are. Psychologically speaking you can become addicted to anything. There's also no chemical in video games that make addicts want to continue playing. The same thing goes for marijuana, people become addicted to the high and so they continue using it. Anything can be addictive.

In certain cases it is the gateway drug due to the monotony of the high. It stops being special so people will venture into other drugs. Marijuana gets a bad rap though since it gained the title gateway drug. Yes, I know a couple that has begun experimenting with meth due to their boredom with weed. At the same time, every single person I know that smoked cigarettes eventually moved on to try bigger, worse things for them.

Marijuana in no shape or form is as dangerous as cigarettes. And sweet lord neither are as deadly as alcohol, but there are times when marijuana is defended with accusations like "it's not addictive" when that's just not true. I think marijuana should be legalized, because then companies could produce a cleaner product that's readily available to people. As long as alcohol and smoking is legal, there's no reason marijuana shouldn't be. It has it's bad qualities, but they're absolutely tame in comparison.

Some old variants of the plant have been spliced with varying forms of acid and, although mild, are still potentially dangerous. Most active users I know personally will tell me that their source has pure marijuana, but unless you have a botany degree and do serious research on the plant you're growing there isn't really a good way to tell.

IndianaPwns39

How does one "splice" the genes of a plant with a synthetic chemical? This doesn't even make any sense. Care to elaborate?

[QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

Some old variants of the plant have been spliced with varying forms of acid and, although mild, are still potentially dangerous. Most active users I know personally will tell me that their source has pure marijuana, but unless you have a botany degree and do serious research on the plant you're growing there isn't really a good way to tell.

HoolaHoopMan

How does one "splice" the genes of a plant with a synthetic chemical? This doesn't even make any sense. Care to elaborate?

Splicing was the wrong word. That's what I get for not proofreading. But here:

http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/46/9/1578.abstract

Hey don't feel bad you think not voting to legalize mary jane is bad? People of Massachusetts decided that they felt a 3% decrease in sales tax was a bad thing so instead of saving money when you buy something you are paying more. Gotta love it!

xscrapzx

Ya, because cuts in education and the community are such a good thing huh? :|

On prop 19, I heard there was another measure to legalize weed for 2012. I think that one will pass. Many old people will die, hopefully the ignorant peoples opinions will change, and think of all the 16-17 year olds that will be voting yes in 2012.

Its pretty pathetic marijuana isnt even legal. "land of the free" my ass

November third, the day hundreds of pot smokers in California will wake up and say, "Wait, voting was yesterday? I totally forgot."

:P

I am starting to hate California as much as Pirate does, but for entirely different reasons lol

first gay marriage fails, now this...wtf

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

Some old variants of the plant have been spliced with varying forms of acid and, although mild, are still potentially dangerous. Most active users I know personally will tell me that their source has pure marijuana, but unless you have a botany degree and do serious research on the plant you're growing there isn't really a good way to tell.

IndianaPwns39

How does one "splice" the genes of a plant with a synthetic chemical? This doesn't even make any sense. Care to elaborate?

Splicing was the wrong word. That's what I get for not proofreading. But here:

http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/46/9/1578.abstract

I'm glad. If the state wants more money, fully legalize state regulated Casinos. They'll bring in more money anyway.

[QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

How does one "splice" the genes of a plant with a synthetic chemical? This doesn't even make any sense. Care to elaborate?

HoolaHoopMan

Splicing was the wrong word. That's what I get for not proofreading. But here:

http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/46/9/1578.abstract

I'm glad. If the state wants more money, fully legalize state regulated Casinos. They'll bring in more money anyway.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

Splicing was the wrong word. That's what I get for not proofreading. But here:

http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/46/9/1578.abstract

Stanley09

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] That article is about THC, not acid (LSD). What acid were you referring to? All that journal says is that THC is produced by an Enzyme (THCA synthase) in the Trichome of plants. HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

How does one "splice" the genes of a plant with a synthetic chemical? This doesn't even make any sense. Care to elaborate?

HoolaHoopMan

Splicing was the wrong word. That's what I get for not proofreading. But here:

http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/46/9/1578.abstract

I did say acid, but I did not mean LSD. I was directly referring to THCA. What I meant by "splicing" was that the cultivation of the plant has made it more potent over the years than it's initial spread during the 60s. The amount of THC has steadily increased, and this is the reason there are varying forms of marijuana out there. When discovered that the THCA synthase was responsible for the psychological reaction to smoking, farmers began finding ways to improve this quality by altering the plants properties. This created strains that were more potent and slightly more dangerous to consume. Take for example "Skunk" or better known around my circle of friends "the good ****"

My point, as skewered and miscommunicated as it is (I'm very tired, I apologize), is that a lot of the active potheads I'm friends with will constantly tell me it's natural and therefore harmless. Sure, there's plenty of natural pot around but there are plenty strains that have been tampered with and made more effective over the years that end up becoming more dangerous.

Again, I'm pro the legalization of marijuana but it does have dangerous properties. Of course, the drug wasn't widely used until the 1960s so long term effects and the fear campaign "facts" against it are often bull****, but the short term studies have their points worth mentioning.

Legal or illegal, millions of people will consume marijuana, but now the money is going to REAL criminals instead of the government. I blame pro prop 19 organizations for not advertising enough about marijuana is completely safe.coolmonkeykid

I blame dealers.

Dealers can vote, you know. Theres alot of them and I doubt any of them voted to go out of buisness.

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Im glad the people of California voted on the side of common sense :) Prop 19 was an idiotic idea from the start.Sp4rtan_3

More people would probably end up in jail with prop 19 then they would without it.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]Legal or illegal, millions of people will consume marijuana, but now the money is going to REAL criminals instead of the government. I blame pro prop 19 organizations for not advertising enough about marijuana is completely safe.Pixel-Pirate

I blame dealers.

Dealers can vote, you know. Theres alot of them and I doubt any of them voted to go out of buisness.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]Legal or illegal, millions of people will consume marijuana, but now the money is going to REAL criminals instead of the government. I blame pro prop 19 organizations for not advertising enough about marijuana is completely safe.HoolaHoopMan

I blame dealers.

Dealers can vote, you know. Theres alot of them and I doubt any of them voted to go out of buisness.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I blame dealers.

Dealers can vote, you know. Theres alot of them and I doubt any of them voted to go out of buisness.

Sp4rtan_3

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]Legal or illegal, millions of people will consume marijuana, but now the money is going to REAL criminals instead of the government. I blame pro prop 19 organizations for not advertising enough about marijuana is completely safe.HoolaHoopMan

I blame dealers.

Dealers can vote, you know. Theres alot of them and I doubt any of them voted to go out of buisness.

Marijuana dealers arn't all scary gang members or mafia bosses. Quite a few are just guys in college, etc.

Lets say you worked in fast food and a bill was to be passed to make hamburgers illegal. Would you vote for it?

It's quite the same with marijuana dealers. A bill is offered that would take away buisness, put harsher penalties on them, and make them compete with big buisness instead of having a monopoly. Of course they voted no.

But you can go on believing it was all 70 year old grandmas who voted no. Hell I heard some people tell me that certain dealers were giving free marijuana to anyone who said they'd vote no.