Prop 19: Rejected by voters

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

But this war on drugs which apparently boosted abuse rates (I won't say that's anything to do with the invasion of Afghanistan) is not the same as prohibiting a drug; it was just a poorly implemented bundle of vote winning policies. Ending the war on drugs =/= legalising pot.

HoolaHoopMan

I'm aware that ending the war on drugs =/= legalizing pot. What exactly are you trying to say with this post?

Why are some Liberals for the legalization of drugs but want to limit Fast Food menu choices? Makes no sense at all...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Please, the government has it's hands tied behind it's back for this fight against drugs. Not trying? We've spent 1 trillion dollars combating it and even have entire agencies created around it.

They COULD cut usage apparently, they just happen to be doing to opposite while wasting our money. :lol: Delusional.

HoolaHoopMan

How aren't they trying? 1 trillion dollars and agencies have been created to combat it. Hell they even have DARE programs aimed at kids.

How is that not trying?

seriously people think before you type, or stop trolling ffs

to the guy with the cure sig....not sure if serious, no cancer in pot even if you don't like smoke

BAKE IT INTO FOOD, NO MORE SMOKE :O

and to the people worried about people driving while on drugs...they already do, if drugs became legal do you honestly think

mass numbers or people would start using? I think not if they wanted to they would already, stuff is easy to find in a big city.

and again to the cure guy and the pireate w/e guy if you drink alcahol and oppose pot then you are hipocrits and ill informed on what pot does to you

I've drove high before guess what....I DROVE BETTER although i was not super baked I would never drive baked but being a little high increaed my concentration

my 2 cents

lawlnametaken

seriously people think before you type, or stop trolling ffs

to the guy with the cure sig....not sure if serious, no cancer in pot even if you don't like smoke

lawlnametaken

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

But this war on drugs which apparently boosted abuse rates (I won't say that's anything to do with the invasion of Afghanistan) is not the same as prohibiting a drug; it was just a poorly implemented bundle of vote winning policies. Ending the war on drugs =/= legalising pot.

jimmyjammer69

I'm aware that ending the war on drugs =/= legalizing pot. What exactly are you trying to say with this post?

I am against the war on drugs, mostly because of how ineffective it is.

I'm not stating that every drug should be legal and sold with out regulation. I think each drug should be approached with a different mindset. Tobacco isn't regulated the same as alcohol, nor should it. I also wouldn't advocate for legalizing meth and distributing it the same way as say pot could.

As for criminalizing drug use, I do think it's a problem. At the very least I would like to see decriminalization, putting users in jail is just a waste of time and money.

I guess my main point I'm making is that the war on drugs is just plain ineffective, and at it's core it's no different from prohibition during the 20's. We don't seem to be learning from our mistakes.

and again to the cure guy and the pireate w/e guy if you drink alcahol and oppose pot then you are hipocrits and ill informed on what pot does to you

I've drove high before guess what....I DROVE BETTER although i was not super baked I would never drive baked but being a little high increaed my concentration

my 2 cents

lawlnametaken

General you...

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

seriously people think before you type, or stop trolling ffs

to the guy with the cure sig....not sure if serious, no cancer in pot even if you don't like smoke

BAKE IT INTO FOOD, NO MORE SMOKE :O

and to the people worried about people driving while on drugs...they already do, if drugs became legal do you honestly think

mass numbers or people would start using? I think not if they wanted to they would already, stuff is easy to find in a big city.

and again to the cure guy and the pireate w/e guy if you drink alcahol and oppose pot then you are hipocrits and ill informed on what pot does to you

I've drove high before guess what....I DROVE BETTER although i was not super baked I would never drive baked but being a little high increaed my concentration

my 2 cents

bbkkristian

Yet knowing the Mexican cartels are operating in this country...they have done nothing to stop them. Not what I'd call trying. It's a token effort at most....not a major priority in the least.LJS9502_basic

What would you call trying then? Spending even MORE money combating it? How about beefing up even more law enforcement to the already bloated drug agencies?

I'm sorry, but your argument of "They aren't trying hard enough" is laughable to say the least. 1 trillion dollars, multiple agencies, DARE programs for kids.... this isn't trying to you?

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

seriously people think before you type, or stop trolling ffs

to the guy with the cure sig....not sure if serious, no cancer in pot even if you don't like smoke

BAKE IT INTO FOOD, NO MORE SMOKE :O

and to the people worried about people driving while on drugs...they already do, if drugs became legal do you honestly think

mass numbers or people would start using? I think not if they wanted to they would already, stuff is easy to find in a big city.

and again to the cure guy and the pireate w/e guy if you drink alcahol and oppose pot then you are hipocrits and ill informed on what pot does to you

I've drove high before guess what....I DROVE BETTER although i was not super baked I would never drive baked but being a little high increaed my concentration

my 2 cents

lawlnametaken

I don't know the difference between high and "baked". what is it?
I know its different than alcohol but it still screws with the thinking process.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yet knowing the Mexican cartels are operating in this country...they have done nothing to stop them. Not what I'd call trying. It's a token effort at most....not a major priority in the least.HoolaHoopMan

What would you call trying then? Spending even MORE money combating it? How about beefing up even more law enforcement to the already bloated drug agencies?

I'm sorry, but your argument of "They aren't trying hard enough" is laughable to say the least. 1 trillion dollars, multiple agencies, DARE programs for kids.... this isn't trying to you?

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] you don't understand the dangers you put others into by doing drugs before driving, you put others in harm regardless of if you think you "drive better". Thats a reason why we are against it. bbkkristian

I don't know the difference between high and "baked". what is it?
I know its different than alcohol but it still screws with the thinking process.

It doesn't "screw with the process" It changes it high is like well when you feel the effects "baked" or "ripped" or w/e is when you are super high while a great exp its not the time to get behind a wheel also the drug was is a million $ industry LOOOOL

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"] pot high is different that alcohol high I did drive better, although would never drive baked lawlnametaken

I don't know the difference between high and "baked". what is it?
I know its different than alcohol but it still screws with the thinking process.

It doesn't "screw with the process" It changes it high is like well when you feel the effects "baked" or "ripped" or w/e is when you are super high while a great exp its not the time to get behind a wheel also the drug was is a million $ industry LOOOOL

Here...Marijuana affects many skills required for safe driving: alertness, the ability to concentrate, coordination, and reaction time. These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and signs on the road.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yet knowing the Mexican cartels are operating in this country...they have done nothing to stop them. Not what I'd call trying. It's a token effort at most....not a major priority in the least.LJS9502_basic

What would you call trying then? Spending even MORE money combating it? How about beefing up even more law enforcement to the already bloated drug agencies?

I'm sorry, but your argument of "They aren't trying hard enough" is laughable to say the least. 1 trillion dollars, multiple agencies, DARE programs for kids.... this isn't trying to you?

And how would one close the border? And which border? Mexican, Canadian, every mile of coast land in the US? Get real.

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

I don't know the difference between high and "baked". what is it?
I know its different than alcohol but it still screws with the thinking process.

LJS9502_basic

It doesn't "screw with the process" It changes it high is like well when you feel the effects "baked" or "ripped" or w/e is when you are super high while a great exp its not the time to get behind a wheel also the drug was is a million $ industry LOOOOL

Here...Marijuana affects many skills required for safe driving: alertness, the ability to concentrate, coordination, and reaction time. These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and signs on the road.

my ability to concentrate increased and I was very alert and focused on the road trying to be right in the middle of the lane

when i'm driving sober I could care less and no its not a 24H effect unless you eat a pound of brownies or w/e

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

What would you call trying then? Spending even MORE money combating it? How about beefing up even more law enforcement to the already bloated drug agencies?

I'm sorry, but your argument of "They aren't trying hard enough" is laughable to say the least. 1 trillion dollars, multiple agencies, DARE programs for kids.... this isn't trying to you?

HoolaHoopMan

And how would one close the border? And which border? Mexican, Canadian, every mile of coast land in the US? Get real.

my ability to concentrate increased and I was very alert and focused on the road trying to be right in the middle of the lane

when i'm driving sober I could care less and no its not a 24H effect unless you eat a pound of brownies or w/e

lawlnametaken

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No closing the border...which has more than one benefit.LJS9502_basic

And how would one close the border? And which border? Mexican, Canadian, every mile of coast land in the US? Get real.

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]I don't know the difference between high and "baked". what is it? I know its different than alcohol but it still screws with the thinking process.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]It doesn't "screw with the process" It changes it high is like well when you feel the effects "baked" or "ripped" or w/e is when you are super high while a great exp its not the time to get behind a wheel also the drug was is a million $ industry LOOOOLProudLarry

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

my ability to concentrate increased and I was very alert and focused on the road trying to be right in the middle of the lane

when i'm driving sober I could care less and no its not a 24H effect unless you eat a pound of brownies or w/e

LJS9502_basic

well I was driving was better than normal my dad was in the passenger and he even commented on it not that I can prove this though being drunk is ALOT different than being high though

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

my ability to concentrate increased and I was very alert and focused on the road trying to be right in the middle of the lane

when i'm driving sober I could care less and no its not a 24H effect unless you eat a pound of brownies or w/e

lawlnametaken

well I was driving was better than normal my dad was in the passenger and he even commented on it not that I can prove this though being drunk is ALOT different than being high though

Why are some Liberals for the legalization of drugs but want to limit Fast Food menu choices? Makes no sense at all...

bbkkristian

I'm for neither.

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Exactly what drunk drivers think....

HoolaHoopMan

well I was driving was better than normal my dad was in the passenger and he even commented on it not that I can prove this though being drunk is ALOT different than being high though

seriously people think before you type, or stop trolling ffs

to the guy with the cure sig....not sure if serious, no cancer in pot even if you don't like smoke

BAKE IT INTO FOOD, NO MORE SMOKE :O

and to the people worried about people driving while on drugs...they already do, if drugs became legal do you honestly think

mass numbers or people would start using? I think not if they wanted to they would already, stuff is easy to find in a big city.

and again to the cure guy and the pireate w/e guy if you drink alcahol and oppose pot then you are hipocrits and ill informed on what pot does to you

I've drove high before guess what....I DROVE BETTER although i was not super baked I would never drive baked but being a little high increaed my concentration

my 2 cents

lawlnametaken

People often imagine they do things better when under the inffluence. That does not equal fact.

I may think I sing well but that doesn't make it true.

Yes I believe heavy fines and jail time are a deterrent to using it.

Alcohol has very little effect in small amounts. If you get drunk off of one glass of beer, you may want to check with the doctors because thats not normal. I can drink a beer and be fine. If you smoke a joint you will get high, this was covered already.

I also covered that smoking weed has no purpouse outside of wanting to get high. You can drink alcohol without wanting or getting drunk.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]It doesn't "screw with the process" It changes it high is like well when you feel the effects "baked" or "ripped" or w/e is when you are super high while a great exp its not the time to get behind a wheel also the drug was is a million $ industry LOOOOLProudLarry

Reality beat you to it. The Transportation Codes and Statutes in all 50 states prohibit people from driving if their mental state is compromised, or might be compromised, in any way. Judicial precedent (once again in all 50 states) has interpreted severe fatigue as being a compromised state of mind. It IS illegal to drive if you're really tired, and some state codes actually explicity say that.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]It doesn't "screw with the process" It changes it high is like well when you feel the effects "baked" or "ripped" or w/e is when you are super high while a great exp its not the time to get behind a wheel also the drug was is a million $ industry LOOOOLProudLarry

I'm not positive but can't you get ticketed for driving without sleep or something?

[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It affects your brain...and you shouldn't drive after using.Here...Marijuana affects many skills required for safe driving: alertness, the ability to concentrate, coordination, and reaction time. These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and signs on the road.Communistik

Reality beat you to it. The Transportation Codes and Statutes in all 50 states prohibit people from driving if their mental state is compromised, or might be compromised, in any way. Judicial precedent (once again in all 50 states) has interpreted severe fatigue as being a compromised state of mind. It IS illegal to drive if you're really tired, and some state codes actually explicity say that.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

It doesn't "screw with the process" It changes it high is like well when you feel the effects "baked" or "ripped" or w/e is when you are super high while a great exp its not the time to get behind a wheel also the drug was is a million $ industry LOOOOL

lawlnametaken

Here...Marijuana affects many skills required for safe driving: alertness, the ability to concentrate, coordination, and reaction time. These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and signs on the road.

my ability to concentrate increased and I was very alert and focused on the road trying to be right in the middle of the lane

when i'm driving sober I could care less and no its not a 24H effect unless you eat a pound of brownies or w/e

Well, it's difficult to understand what you said since you didn't use any punctuation so I'll try and understand here.

If you could care less when driving sober, perhaps you shouldn't drive. You really shouldn't smoke weed or drink while driving and if you feel like you need to in order to stay in the middle of the lane, something's wrong.

[QUOTE="Communistik"]

[QUOTE="ProudLarry"] So does being sleepy. I say we pass a law requiring all American's get 8 hours of sleep per day. If you don't you're not allowed to leave your house.HoolaHoopMan

Reality beat you to it. The Transportation Codes and Statutes in all 50 states prohibit people from driving if their mental state is compromised, or might be compromised, in any way. Judicial precedent (once again in all 50 states) has interpreted severe fatigue as being a compromised state of mind. It IS illegal to drive if you're really tired, and some state codes actually explicity say that.

They don't. They arrest you on suspicion of it, and a jury determines it. Juries are charged with the finding of facts; not law enforcement. It's extremely rare, but it can happen.

Also, if you harm any person or property as a result of fatigue while driving, you probably won't be criminally prosecuted, but you will be liable in civil court without a doubt. Falling asleep at the wheel is prima facie negligence...or maybe it's negligence per se. I can't remember; it has been a few years since law school, but if a jury finds that your fatigue caused the accident, you are presumed to be negligent and liable.

My point being, if they can prosecute you for being tired while driving, you can bet they are going to prosecute you for taking any mind-altering substance while driving, whether it's legal or not. It's not up to you to decide if you drive well while high or stoned or whatever. It's up to the state, and they say you don't.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

I'm aware that ending the war on drugs =/= legalizing pot. What exactly are you trying to say with this post?

HoolaHoopMan

I am against the war on drugs, mostly because of how ineffective it is.

I'm not stating that every drug should be legal and sold with out regulation. I think each drug should be approached with a different mindset. Tobacco isn't regulated the same as alcohol, nor should it. I also wouldn't advocate for legalizing meth and distributing it the same way as say pot could.

As for criminalizing drug use, I do think it's a problem. At the very least I would like to see decriminalization, putting users in jail is just a waste of time and money.

I guess my main point I'm making is that the war on drugs is just plain ineffective, and at it's core it's no different from prohibition during the 20's. We don't seem to be learning from our mistakes.

However, profit from sale and distribution of any drug which can have powerful and lasting psychiatric impact on a substantial percentage of the population is ethically dodgy in my book. AFAIC, from a statistical standpoint regarding mental health, the fewer people try weed the better. Whatever people say to the contrary, I reckon a lot of them know deep down that its illegality does act as a deterrant for weed, especially for those most at risk of psychiatric problems. I wouldn't like to see weed available in every off licence to every antisocial schizoid and in every parent's booze cabinet.

Having said that, psychoactive cannabis is basically just a weed, and it would have remained an innocuous and relatively obsucre one if it wasn't for the constant incentive of profit through regulating, controlling and expanding the market. Decriminalisation of personal cultivation, possession of small quantities and private use is a nice idea, especially as it theoretically eliminates all the evils of criminal industry whilst simultaneously sidestepping the danger of development of protective lobbies which would inevitably result from commercialisation, but it's one that's frequently ignored in these debates. No idea why.

I'm glad my vote made a difference. :D

Sorry druggies, maybe next time.:D

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It affects your brain...and you shouldn't drive after using.

Here...Marijuana affects many skills required for safe driving: alertness, the ability to concentrate, coordination, and reaction time. These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and signs on the road.

GTbiking4life

my ability to concentrate increased and I was very alert and focused on the road trying to be right in the middle of the lane

when i'm driving sober I could care less and no its not a 24H effect unless you eat a pound of brownies or w/e

Well, it's difficult to understand what you said since you didn't use any punctuation so I'll try and understand here.

If you could care less when driving sober, perhaps you shouldn't drive. You really shouldn't smoke weed or drink while driving and if you feel like you need to in order to stay in the middle of the lane, something's wrong.

I don't need it in order to, I just felt more compelled to drive better when i was a little high

also regarding "Alcohol has very little effect in small amounts. If you get drunk off of one glass of beer, you may want to check with the doctors because thats not normal. I can drink a beer and be fine. If you smoke a joint you will get high, this was covered already."

People smoke a joint to get high, people do not drink one cup of beer to get drunk some people drink small amounts of beer to get a "buzz" or feel relaxed I can get that feeling with pot too without getting high its called pack a small bowl or only smoke some of the joint also I was driving well it was not some illusion this is weed not freaking lsd

Good. If it's illegal, it will act as a deterrent.

Good. If it's illegal, it will act as a deterrent.

F1_2004

How so? The people that do it will still do it. The people that sell it will still sell it. And the people who want to try it for the first time will still try it for the first time. Might seem like a deterrent, but it's just status quo, which only serves to slow down progression.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]

Good. If it's illegal, it will act as a deterrent.

How so? The people that do it will still do it. The people that sell it will still sell it. And the people who want to try it for the first time will still try it for the first time. Might seem like a deterrent, but it's just status quo, which only serves to slow down progression.

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

my ability to concentrate increased and I was very alert and focused on the road trying to be right in the middle of the lane

when i'm driving sober I could care less and no its not a 24H effect unless you eat a pound of brownies or w/e

LJS9502_basic

I'm glad my vote made a difference. :D

Sorry druggies, maybe next time.:D

Rockman999

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

my ability to concentrate increased and I was very alert and focused on the road trying to be right in the middle of the lane

when i'm driving sober I could care less and no its not a 24H effect unless you eat a pound of brownies or w/e

Stanley09

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

I'm glad my vote made a difference. :D

Sorry druggies, maybe next time.:D

Stanley09

[QUOTE="Stanley09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Exactly what drunk drivers think....

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]

I'm glad my vote made a difference. :D

Sorry druggies, maybe next time.:D

LJS9502_basic

Yeah, Im against it too. Thank God its not approve.Bloodseeker23

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Stanley09"] except you dont see marijuana related crashes on the news very often now do you

Stanley09

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They exist......I don't actually see many alcohol related on the news so I'm not sure what your point is. Being under the influence is just that and no one should be operating an automobile. Period.

LJS9502_basic