Prop 19: Rejected by voters

[QUOTE="Jfisch93"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Different alcohol has different benefits. Beer helps with bone density..and I used to have a link mentioning benefits from every alcohol...from vodka to bourbon. Nonetheless, doctors DO NOT tell patients to smoke a joint or two.

LJS9502_basic

you know this matter of factly because?..... i've actually had a couple dr's tell me that since eating it improves lung function they would suggest a little bit every day but can't technically since its illegal.

According to a survey on the recommendation of cannabis in California[18], cannabis is indicated for over 250 conditions. Cannabis is most importantly indicated as an antiemetic for the treatment of nausea and anorexia associated with treatments for cancer, AIDS, and hepatitis. Cannabis also acts as an antispasmodic and anticonvulsant and is indicated for neurological conditions such as epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, and spasms. As an analgesic and an immunomodulator it is indicated for conditions such as migraine, arthritis, spinal and skeletal disorders. As a bronchodilator it is beneficial for asthma. It also reduces the intraocular pressure and is indicated for glaucoma. Cannabis is also used to treat some mood disorders such as post traumatic stress disorder, clinical depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, panic disorder, and bipolar disorder. It is also indicated for premenstrual syndrome, hypertension, and insomnia."

it has also shown promise as a potential treatement for alzheimers. and it has also recently been shown to have antitumor properties

so what was that again about dr's not recommending it ever?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not quite the same. It's not a health BENEFIT to smoke every day....etc. Unless it's prescribed...and I would imagine other prescriptions exist for those medical conditions but I haven't really studied that.LJS9502_basic

Yes but we don't factor because its a small risk, compared to a daily user.. Just like we don't talk about the people who take it in moderation of alcohol.. Also fun fact people who smoke, have a far greater chance of abusing alcohol as well due to how both drugs react to one another.

I wasn't talking about benefit I was talking about when it comes to the causes of cardiovascular disease.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Then I'm not sure what you are talking about...I already mentioned the abuse/misuse was a problem.:|sSubZerOo

And that is what I was alluding too.. If we were talking about a person that had a smoke every few days that wouldn't be much of a problem.. We are talking about the people who take more then what your saying..

Why are people afraid of progression? :(

Why are people afraid of progression? :(

K-E316

If 19 was a decent prop I would of voted for it. Having read it, I know it was a terrible bill filled with lots of holes and problems.

And I don't subscribe to the idea that "any law that legalizes weed is a good one!"

Not everyone is desperate for legal weed. I still don't even get how people get caught with it illegal outside of stupidity.

[QUOTE="K-E316"]

Why are people afraid of progression? :(

Pixel-Pirate

If 19 was a decent prop I would of voted for it. Having read it, I know it was a terrible bill filled with lots of holes and problems.

And I don't subscribe to the idea that "any law that legalizes weed is a good one!"

Not everyone is desperate for legal weed. I still don't even get how people get caught with it illegal outside of stupidity.

It's just unbelievable how scared people are of the idea of legalizing marijuana

Edit: We had a discussion about the thing in my English 3 class today (a college class mind you) and I felt completely attacked by a majority of the class because I voted yes, they couldn't see any reason why I would want it legalized, it just baffles me

Evz0rz

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="K-E316"]

Why are people afraid of progression? :(

Stanley09

If 19 was a decent prop I would of voted for it. Having read it, I know it was a terrible bill filled with lots of holes and problems.

And I don't subscribe to the idea that "any law that legalizes weed is a good one!"

Not everyone is desperate for legal weed. I still don't even get how people get caught with it illegal outside of stupidity.

A baby step that needed to fail and go back to the drawing board.

Pass one that isn't horrible.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

And that is what I was alluding too.. If we were talking about a person that had a smoke every few days that wouldn't be much of a problem.. We are talking about the people who take more then what your saying..

Stanley09

To the poster saying a doctor would never reccomend it

...its called medical mj....

ffs

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Maybe not, but sprays are available. Sativex is one example. There's clearly a lot of work still to be done with analogues and synthetic forms, but for patients who do benefit from cannabis based treatments over alternatives, it's got to be worth finding a form that doesn't involve all the usual side effects of crude cannabis.jimmyjammer69

And they wouldn't if it were legal either.:roll:

LJS9502_basic

It depends on the circumstances, but if it were legal, I can almost guarantee you that they would.

i would like to personally punch every hypocrite that voted against this and drinks alcohol (a much more harmful substance)

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Stanley09"] they dont really suffer any negative side effectslawlnametaken

No conscientious doctor would prescribe pot if there was an alternative that achieved the same ends without getting you high. You can't go into work every day delirious on opium if you have problems with pain, so you take a couple of codeine and you can perform more or less normally. Same should be true for cannabis as medication, even if that's not yet possible.

I still don't understand what people fear about it.

XxspritexX

There's plenty to fear about it.

People drive drunk. If pot is legalized, people will drive high.

Kids can get ahold of alcohol easily. If pot is legalized, kids can get ahold of pot easily.

Sure, pot is available illegally now, and those things happen, but there is absolutely no sense in making it freely available and increasing those things. Violent crime will go up, drug-and-alcohol-related traffic incidents will go up, and the number of kids using it will go up.

On the street or in a store, it's bad enough dealing with someone who's drunk. I don't want to deal with people who are high, too.

On Election Night, California may have avoided the trend of GOP takeovers, but I'm glad to see that the electorate here still has some common sense.

I'm proud to be drug-free, and I was proud to vote "No" on 19.

[QUOTE="XxspritexX"]

I still don't understand what people fear about it.

MathMattS

There's plenty to fear about it.

People drive drunk. If pot is legalized, people will drive high.

Kids can get ahold of alcohol easily. If pot is legalized, kids can get ahold of pot easily.

Sure, pot is available illegally now, and those things happen, but there is absolutely no sense in making it freely available and increasing those things. Violent crime will go up, drug-and-alcohol-related traffic incidents will go up, and the number of kids using it will go up.

On the street or in a store, it's bad enough dealing with someone who's drunk. I don't want to deal with people who are high, too.

On Election Night, California may have avoided the trend of GOP takeovers, but I'm glad to see that the electorate here still has some common sense.

I'm proud to be drug-free, and I was proud to vote "No" on 19.

[QUOTE="K-E316"]

Why are people afraid of progression? :(

Pixel-Pirate

If 19 was a decent prop I would of voted for it. Having read it, I know it was a terrible bill filled with lots of holes and problems.

And I don't subscribe to the idea that "any law that legalizes weed is a good one!"

Not everyone is desperate for legal weed. I still don't even get how people get caught with it illegal outside of stupidity.

[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

[QUOTE="XxspritexX"]

I still don't understand what people fear about it.

lawlnametaken

There's plenty to fear about it.

People drive drunk. If pot is legalized, people will drive high.

Kids can get ahold of alcohol easily. If pot is legalized, kids can get ahold of pot easily.

Sure, pot is available illegally now, and those things happen, but there is absolutely no sense in making it freely available and increasing those things. Violent crime will go up, drug-and-alcohol-related traffic incidents will go up, and the number of kids using it will go up.

On the street or in a store, it's bad enough dealing with someone who's drunk. I don't want to deal with people who are high, too.

On Election Night, California may have avoided the trend of GOP takeovers, but I'm glad to see that the electorate here still has some common sense.

I'm proud to be drug-free, and I was proud to vote "No" on 19.

Well, if it's super easy for kids to get ahold of now, it'll be even more so if it's freely available. Kids get into their parents' alcohol stashes-- they'll get into their parents' pot stashes, too.

It would be nice if no drugs are available to anyone, legally or illegally. The failure of Prop 19 was a good step in the right direction.

It would also be nice to live in a society where everyone has a clear head and clear judgment. Alcohol already interferes with that. We don't need freely available pot interfering, too.

Kids can get ahold of alcohol easily. If pot is legalized, kids can get ahold of pot easily.MathMattS

Kids can already get ahold of pot easily.

We don't need to increase that ease by making pot freely available.

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"]

It's just unbelievable how scared people are of the idea of legalizing marijuana

XxspritexX

this is EXACTLY my opinion on this good job good sir.

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"][QUOTE="MathMattS"]

There's plenty to fear about it.

People drive drunk. If pot is legalized, people will drive high.

Kids can get ahold of alcohol easily. If pot is legalized, kids can get ahold of pot easily.

Sure, pot is available illegally now, and those things happen, but there is absolutely no sense in making it freely available and increasing those things. Violent crime will go up, drug-and-alcohol-related traffic incidents will go up, and the number of kids using it will go up.

On the street or in a store, it's bad enough dealing with someone who's drunk. I don't want to deal with people who are high, too.

On Election Night, California may have avoided the trend of GOP takeovers, but I'm glad to see that the electorate here still has some common sense.

I'm proud to be drug-free, and I was proud to vote "No" on 19.

MathMattS

Well, if it's super easy for kids to get ahold of now, it'll be even more so if it's freely available. Kids get into their parents' alcohol stashes-- they'll get into their parents' pot stashes, too.

It would be nice if no drugs are available to anyone, legally or illegally. The failure of Prop 19 was a good step in the right direction.

It would also be nice to live in a society where everyone has a clear head and clear judgment. Alcohol already interferes with that. We don't need freely available pot interfering, too.

[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"] U mad? pot is super easy for kids to get the dealer wont ask for id at a store? yep they would alcohol is hard to get unless kids find an immature adult to buy for them better than a shady dealer? yepStanley09

Well, if it's super easy for kids to get ahold of now, it'll be even more so if it's freely available. Kids get into their parents' alcohol stashes-- they'll get into their parents' pot stashes, too.

It would be nice if no drugs are available to anyone, legally or illegally. The failure of Prop 19 was a good step in the right direction.

It would also be nice to live in a society where everyone has a clear head and clear judgment. Alcohol already interferes with that. We don't need freely available pot interfering, too.

why the hell would someone not vote for it

needled24-7

We don't need to increase that ease by making pot freely available.

MathMattS

[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

We don't need to increase that ease by making pot freely available.

Jfisch93

[QUOTE="Jfisch93"]

[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

We don't need to increase that ease by making pot freely available.

jimmyjammer69

wow

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I honestly don't drink or smoke. I'm wondering why beer and cigs are legal, and weed isn't. Doesn't make any sense to me.:|

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Jfisch93"] This argument ignores the fact that you still have to be 21 to buy marijuana.

lawlnametaken

wow

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I honestly don't drink or smoke. I'm wondering why beer and cigs are legal, and weed isn't. Doesn't make any sense to me.:|

GD-1369211121

A crap ton of lobbying especially from the alcohol and tobacco industry.

I honestly don't drink or smoke. I'm wondering why beer and cigs are legal, and weed isn't. Doesn't make any sense to me.:|

GD-1369211121

We don't need to increase that ease by making pot freely available.

MathMattS

I think it would be harder if pot was legal with prop 19.

Would you risk 5 YEARS in prison to give a minor marijuana?

[QUOTE="GD-1369211121"]

I honestly don't drink or smoke. I'm wondering why beer and cigs are legal, and weed isn't. Doesn't make any sense to me.:|

Stevo_the_gamer

The only way I'd support banning smoking would be if the government had some multi-billion dollar program to help recovering nicotine addicts.

well the people voted, deal with it, that's how voting works

or whine more

[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

We don't need to increase that ease by making pot freely available.

Pixel-Pirate

I think it would be harder if pot was legal with prop 19.

Would you risk 5 YEARS in prison to give a minor marijuana?

I would risk 50, for teh lolz

On the positive side prop 19 could have won if it only received 5% more of the vote. IMO it's only a matter of time before it passes in California, especially if it goes on the ballot in 2012 when the voter turnout should be higher since its a presidential election. The only problem is that the Federal government will probably step in, even though this really should be a state issue and not a national one.

We don't need to increase that ease by making pot freely available.

MathMattS

Pot is already freely available. I have a 7 Eleven that I go to on a regular basis near my home and at least three times a week I get offered pot outside there. I Legalizing it would actually make it less freely available. Pot is everywhere, at least here in Northern CA.

[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

We don't need to increase that ease by making pot freely available.

MystikFollower

Pot is already freely available. I have a 7 Eleven that I go to on a regular basis near my home and at least three times a week I get offered pot outside there. I Legalizing it would actually make it less freely available. Pot is everywhere, at least here in Northern CA.

[QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]Yeah, Im against it too. Thank God its not approve.Stanley09

Funny...Ignorance swings both ways. For as much as others throw their ideas of life against yours, you throw your ideas thusly with people who share the same view as you back in the same way. Be it ignorance, hypocrisy, faith, logic and reason (or lack thereof). Both for and against this proposition has not once let off a good argument as why it should be passed or shouldn't be.

Way I see it, it's who holds majority with shared views and beliefs, and as far as this topic is concerned, I'm not partaking in it.

To be honest I do have to wonder why we ban Marijuana yet Salvia, Morning glory, etc are completely legal and are comparable to freaking LSD.

To be honest I do have to wonder why we ban Marijuana yet Salvia, Morning glory, etc are completely legal and are comparable to freaking LSD.

Pixel-Pirate

It could at least be decriminalized so law enforcement could stop WASTING their time on catching people with a small amount.. And if they actually want to stop the drug cartels the only way to do it would be to legalize it.. But this is hardly a huge money maker of drugs imo.. There are far more addictive, expensive drugs that are far more easy to make.. sSubZerOo

To be fair in California they arn't going around arresting people and searching them for marijuana. If they catch you with it they'll fine you, thats it. And they arn't really actively looking for people with it. If you got caught it was because you weren't too bright and kept it on you at all times/smoked in public.

To be honest I do have to wonder why we ban Marijuana yet Salvia, Morning glory, etc are completely legal and are comparable to freaking LSD.

Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]Yeah, Im against it too. Thank God its not approve.Zanoh

Funny...Ignorance swings both ways. For as much as others throw their ideas of life against yours, you throw your ideas thusly with people who share the same view as you back in the same way. Be it ignorance, hypocrisy, faith, logic and reason (or lack thereof). Both for and against this proposition has not once let off a good argument as why it should be passed or shouldn't be.

Way I see it, it's who holds majority with shared views and beliefs, and as far as this topic is concerned, I'm not partaking in it.

I don't think it's a good idea because people wouldn't be responsible with it.

If people want to do drugs, I don't see any problem with it. It's when they're irresponsible and cause harm to others is when it becomes a problem.