Prop 19: Rejected by voters

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stanley09"] true, no one should be driving impaired. I just personally never hear about someone getting killed by a high driver, its always a drunk oneStanley09

[QUOTE="Stanley09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Because you never heard about it...doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I have heard about accidents involving other than alcohol.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stanley09"]Ya, because throwing someone in jail for their choice of herbs is totally justifiedStanley09

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stanley09"] ya, but it must not happen very often if at all if Ive never heard about it

Stanley09

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If society has deemed it illegal...then yes it is. And the choice is up to the individual whether they risk arrest or avoid the substance. No sympathy from me. LJS9502_basic

And yet alcohol also distorts perception and can impact innocent people, but is legal. Can you explain what makes alcohol okay but marijuana not?

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If society has deemed it illegal...then yes it is. And the choice is up to the individual whether they risk arrest or avoid the substance. No sympathy from me. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stanley09"]The majority of society in the south in the 1800s was that all black people were slaves. People who helped them escape were criminals, and should be locked up considering the majority agree on it. No sympathy from me for those who try and help them escape. /sarcasmchessmaster1989

And yet alcohol also distorts perception and can impact innocent people, but is legal. Can you explain what makes alcohol okay but marijuana not?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stanley09"]The majority of society in the south in the 1800s was that all black people were slaves. People who helped them escape were criminals, and should be locked up considering the majority agree on it. No sympathy from me for those who try and help them escape. /sarcasmStanley09

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well in the last six months I haven't heard of an alcohol related accident. Guess they don't happen....using your logic.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Bad analogy. No one is making pot smokers a slave. They are, however, not legalizing a substance that distorts perception which can impact innocent people.LJS9502_basic

And yet alcohol also distorts perception and can impact innocent people, but is legal. Can you explain what makes alcohol okay but marijuana not?

No, it is relevant if your standard is that it distorts perception and can impact innocent people. Supporting alcohol being legal immediately discounts that as a sufficient standard.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Stanley09"] But you have heard about them. All im saying is that alcohol related crashes happen far far more often than any marijuana ones do, if there are any at allStanley09

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No as I said...in the last six months I have not. So using YOUR LOGIC...it's not a problem. They don't exist.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

And yet alcohol also distorts perception and can impact innocent people, but is legal. Can you explain what makes alcohol okay but marijuana not?

chessmaster1989

No, it is relevant if your standard is that it distorts perception and can impact innocent people. Supporting alcohol being legal immediately discounts that as a sufficient standard.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which has zero to do with a discussion over marijuana.LJS9502_basic

No, it is relevant if your standard is that it distorts perception and can impact innocent people. Supporting alcohol being legal immediately discounts that as a sufficient standard.

Stupid old people voting and not enough young people voting. It is only a matter of time, really. Immortalica

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

No, it is relevant if your standard is that it distorts perception and can impact innocent people. Supporting alcohol being legal immediately discounts that as a sufficient standard.

Stanley09

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's not relevant in the least. It's an argument OT using way too much but I don't find it material to the actual discussion as to why marijuana should be legalized. If anything...using alcohol and it's inherent problems shows me marijuana should NOT be legalized as it would increase the problems.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Stanley09"] Its incredibly relevant. One is incredibly ignorant if they support alcohol being legal yet not weed. If you think weed should be illegal why dont we criminalize alcohol? It causes far more damage to society than legal weed ever wouldStanley09

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[QUOTE="Stanley09"] But you have heard about them. All im saying is that alcohol related crashes happen far far more often than any marijuana ones do, if there are any at allStanley09

For all we know it could be higher but it's rather hard to tell if the person was under the influence at that time. It's much easier with alcohol.

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's not relevant in the least. It's an argument OT using way too much but I don't find it material to the actual discussion as to why marijuana should be legalized. If anything...using alcohol and it's inherent problems shows me marijuana should NOT be legalized as it would increase the problems.LJS9502_basic

It is not a problem, it is a solution to even bigger problems. Kids these days just want to use uppers, we need more downers. Marijuanna cut dows your ego trips, makes you more peacefull,shy and insecure about casual sex with strangers,while alcohol make you feel like you own the world, nothing can get you and a rage attack is just next door

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[QUOTE="Stanley09"] Its incredibly relevant. One is incredibly ignorant if they support alcohol being legal yet not weed. If you think weed should be illegal why dont we criminalize alcohol? It causes far more damage to society than legal weed ever wouldAdrianstalker

It is not a problem, it is a solution to even bigger problems. Kids these days just want to use uppers, we need more downers. Marijuanna cut dows your ego trips, makes you more peacefull,shy and insecure about casual sex with strangers,while alcohol make you feel like you own the world, nothing can get you and a rage attack is just next door

[QUOTE="Adrianstalker"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No it's not relevant. Alcohol is not marijuana. And as I stated...that just gives fuel to those that don't like alcohol. Why should they vote to add yet another problem be legalized and thus more widely used. Which means an increase in problems.

LJS9502_basic

It is not a problem, it is a solution to even bigger problems. Kids these days just want to use uppers, we need more downers. Marijuanna cut dows your ego trips, makes you more peacefull,shy and insecure about casual sex with strangers,while alcohol make you feel like you own the world, nothing can get you and a rage attack is just next door

would you ever be for alcohol prohibition since its been scientifically proven to be worse in every possible way than marijuana?

It would have put a lot of medical growers out of business.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Adrianstalker"]

It is not a problem, it is a solution to even bigger problems. Kids these days just want to use uppers, we need more downers. Marijuanna cut dows your ego trips, makes you more peacefull,shy and insecure about casual sex with strangers,while alcohol make you feel like you own the world, nothing can get you and a rage attack is just next door

z4twenny

would you ever be for alcohol prohibition since its been scientifically proven to be worse in every possible way than marijuana?

The idea that alcohol is worse than any other drug in existance is still a silly one to me unless said study means that it's the worse due to it being the most used and prevelent drug in society, so it has more chances to affect others.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Adrianstalker"]

It is not a problem, it is a solution to even bigger problems. Kids these days just want to use uppers, we need more downers. Marijuanna cut dows your ego trips, makes you more peacefull,shy and insecure about casual sex with strangers,while alcohol make you feel like you own the world, nothing can get you and a rage attack is just next door

z4twenny

would you ever be for alcohol prohibition since its been scientifically proven to be worse in every possible way than marijuana?

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Actually alcohol is a depressant.....and not everyone is affected the same way. So saying it makes everyone rage would be incorrect.LJS9502_basic

would you ever be for alcohol prohibition since its been scientifically proven to be worse in every possible way than marijuana?

you deflected the question, we could say the exact same things about marijuana.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

would you ever be for alcohol prohibition since its been scientifically proven to be worse in every possible way than marijuana?

z4twenny

you deflected the question, we could say the exact same things about marijuana.

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Actually it's the abuse and misuse of alcohol that is the problem. Scientifically...there are many health benefits associated with alcohol. LJS9502_basic

you deflected the question, we could say the exact same things about marijuana.

i think dr's actually advocate a glass or 2 of wine at most a day, for the antioxidants. not beer, not liquor, wine. as for saying dr's don't recommend it at all, i think you might want to actually talk to some dr's. the few dr's i've met/know don't have issues with marijuana and suggest that if people want to do it then they should eat it (fair enough, smokings not healthy) and any dr worth their salt should know about how it directly affects the physical body and brain (which is fairly minimal)

once again we could say the same thing about marijuana, light daily use should be fine and actually healthy for most people (if eaten). just like alcohol.
so just to clarify alcohol should remain legal while marijuanas illegal?

big difference between the 2? thats quite true, no ones ever smoked themselves to death though thousands die every year from alcohol poisoning.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

you deflected the question, we could say the exact same things about marijuana.

z4twenny

i think dr's actually advocate a glass or 2 of wine at most a day, for the antioxidants. not beer, not liquor, wine. as for saying dr's don't recommend it at all, i think you might want to actually talk to some dr's. the few dr's i've met/know don't have issues with marijuana and suggest that if people want to do it then they should eat it (fair enough, smokings not healthy) and any dr worth their salt should know about how it directly affects the physical body and brain (which is fairly minimal)

big difference between the 2? thats quite true, no ones ever smoked themselves to death though thousands die every year from alcohol poisoning.

Not to mention the number one killer (outside of cancer) is that of cardiovascular disease.. In which tobacco, alcohol, overeating, and lack of physical exercise play a significant role in.

It's obvious that legalization is close, all propaganda against weed now is the same stuff that alcohol does to you, and even this propaganda isn't true.

Not to mention the number one killer (outside of cancer) is that of cardiovascular disease.. In which tobacco, alcohol, overeating, and lack of physical exercise play a significant role in.

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Not to mention the number one killer (outside of cancer) is that of cardiovascular disease.. In which tobacco, alcohol, overeating, and lack of physical exercise play a significant role in.

LJS9502_basic

:| Not if you abuse it, it doesn't.. Or take it while using other drugs..

i think dr's actually advocate a glass or 2 of wine at most a day, for the antioxidants. not beer, not liquor, wine. as for saying dr's don't recommend it at all, i think you might want to actually talk to some dr's. the few dr's i've met/know don't have issues with marijuana and suggest that if people want to do it then they should eat it (fair enough, smokings not healthy) and any dr worth their salt should know about how it directly affects the physical body and brain (which is fairly minimal)

once again we could say the same thing about marijuana, light daily use should be fine and actually healthy for most people (if eaten). just like alcohol.
so just to clarify alcohol should remain legal while marijuanas illegal?

big difference between the 2? thats quite true, no ones ever smoked themselves to death though thousands die every year from alcohol poisoning.

z4twenny

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Not to mention the number one killer (outside of cancer) is that of cardiovascular disease.. In which tobacco, alcohol, overeating, and lack of physical exercise play a significant role in.

p>sSubZerOo

:| Not if you abuse it, it doesn't.. Or take it while using other drugs..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Actually alcohol helps the heart and cholesterol.....

LJS9502_basic

:| Not if you abuse it, it doesn't.. Or take it while using other drugs..

Thats great, but yet again I am not talking about that am I?

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

i think dr's actually advocate a glass or 2 of wine at most a day, for the antioxidants. not beer, not liquor, wine. as for saying dr's don't recommend it at all, i think you might want to actually talk to some dr's. the few dr's i've met/know don't have issues with marijuana and suggest that if people want to do it then they should eat it (fair enough, smokings not healthy) and any dr worth their salt should know about how it directly affects the physical body and brain (which is fairly minimal)

once again we could say the same thing about marijuana, light daily use should be fine and actually healthy for most people (if eaten). just like alcohol.
so just to clarify alcohol should remain legal while marijuanas illegal?

big difference between the 2? thats quite true, no ones ever smoked themselves to death though thousands die every year from alcohol poisoning.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| Not if you abuse it, it doesn't.. Or take it while using other drugs..

sSubZerOo

Thats great, but yet again I am not talking about that am I?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

i think dr's actually advocate a glass or 2 of wine at most a day, for the antioxidants. not beer, not liquor, wine. as for saying dr's don't recommend it at all, i think you might want to actually talk to some dr's. the few dr's i've met/know don't have issues with marijuana and suggest that if people want to do it then they should eat it (fair enough, smokings not healthy) and any dr worth their salt should know about how it directly affects the physical body and brain (which is fairly minimal)

once again we could say the same thing about marijuana, light daily use should be fine and actually healthy for most people (if eaten). just like alcohol.
so just to clarify alcohol should remain legal while marijuanas illegal?

big difference between the 2? thats quite true, no ones ever smoked themselves to death though thousands die every year from alcohol poisoning.

Jfisch93

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] A glass or two a day is good for cholesterol....that is not abuse.:|

LJS9502_basic

Thats great, but yet again I am not talking about that am I?

And that is what I was alluding too.. If we were talking about a person that had a smoke every few days that wouldn't be much of a problem.. We are talking about the people who take more then what your saying..

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Thats great, but yet again I am not talking about that am I?

sSubZerOo

And that is what I was alluding too.. If we were talking about a person that had a smoke every few days that wouldn't be much of a problem.. We are talking about the people who take more then what your saying..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Then I'm not sure what you are talking about...I already mentioned the abuse/misuse was a problem.:|LJS9502_basic

And that is what I was alluding too.. If we were talking about a person that had a smoke every few days that wouldn't be much of a problem.. We are talking about the people who take more then what your saying..

Yes but we don't factor because its a small risk, compared to a daily user.. Just like we don't talk about the people who take it in moderation of alcohol.. Also fun fact people who smoke, have a far greater chance of abusing alcohol as well due to how both drugs react to one another.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

And that is what I was alluding too.. If we were talking about a person that had a smoke every few days that wouldn't be much of a problem.. We are talking about the people who take more then what your saying..

sSubZerOo

Yes but we don't factor because its a small risk, compared to a daily user.. Just like we don't talk about the people who take it in moderation of alcohol.. Also fun fact people who smoke, have a far greater chance of abusing alcohol as well due to how both drugs react to one another.