Prop 19 - What's your stance?

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#151 superfluidity
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Today is a glorious day for drug cartels and drug dealers.

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#152 Pixel-Pirate
Member since 2009 • 10771 Posts

Today is a glorious day for drug cartels and drug dealers.

superfluidity

Who do you think voted no?

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#153 UnknownSniper65
Member since 2004 • 9238 Posts

Its still going to be enforced at a Federal level regardless

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#154 GHlegend77
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You drink beer because you like the taste? How can you automatically assume no one wants to smoke because they like the smell/taste? I'm just as justified for calling your reason BS as you'd be for calling mine out. But I'm not going to call your reason BS, because it's legitimate. However, cannabis is more symmetrical in those terms (why people do it) with alcohol as opposed to being less symmetrical in terms of you trying to equate one beer with one joint? Please don't get inside people's heads on this thread with misinformation like that, and please know exactly what you're talking about before you talk about it. Smoking cannabis serves no purpose other than to be high? Basically. You don't smoke it just for the sake of smoking something. However, it seems you made that statement as if it had negative connotations attached to it, but I don't see literally how it's anything other than just a plain statement. People smoke to get high. Bingo, any arguments here? There is no argument that Prop 19 won't make money. New business outweighing lost business. And that's just about making additional money, I'm not even taking account the money saved by legalizing this. There is no argument that Prop 19 won't keep more people alive. Saved lives outweighing taken. Maybe little Jimmy will wander into a cannabis manufacturer and manage to be the first person in all of history to OD on this "dangerous drug" marijuana (though he'll need help smoking more pounds of marijuana after he safely passed out from being too high), but guess how many people aren't being shot and killed over something so stupid? Just for that reason alone should make any decent human realize how ridiculous this is. WhoTF has the standpoint of "Well, at least we're not giving a bad message to our kids, that balances out people DYING over a PLANT." But I invite anyone to try using that, negating the blatant fact this country has already been giving a far more detrimental message to our kids when we tell them how much more dangerous cannabis is. Because when kids learn that if you do an illegal drug like cannabis you'll chill out and laugh harder at a movie. This is after they learn that if they did a legal drug like alcohol, they might beat their kids. And we wonder why kids are so messed up. I smoke and I'm harmless. Cops know that and take advantage of trying to seek out and bust people like me while pretending that they didn't hear the police radio call of a shoot-out at a gas station, or robbery in a nearby neighborhood. Because it's easy, and it's safe. Our own policing of our own country isn't even satisfying their standard because of miniscule BS like this. Also, someone else on this thread mentioned they can't imagine a cop busting inside someones home just over them smoking pot. Wow. Do you know that I've read several stories of literally the SWAT busting inside someones home, killing their dog in front of their own kid (more mental damage and traumatic stress than any amount of pot smoking in front of the kid could EVER do. I'm attaining my BA in Psychology so please feel free to argue that point with me if you want.), and finding out that they didn't even smoke, much less sell or anything? One time they got the wrong house completely. Another, they didn't even realize it was the mayor of the town they were in. And these are all just the ones that involve "wrong house" and "killing family dog" (just for existing, mind you. Not being aggressive in any way, shape, or form). That's just a drop of water in a big pond of these cases happening every day. You can't imagine cops doing this because you're absolutely oblivious to it. When you're actively pursuing these type of stories, you're immensely overwhelmed at how absolutely ridiculous and mind-boggling all of this is. Over a plant. A plant that, when smoked, nothing bad happens. You can't drive if you're a 10 after drinking. You probably can't drive if you're a whole lot past a 5. But you can, however, still (even though I'm not condoning it, I just like how different it is from a dangerous drug like alcohol) drive even if you're ripped out of your skull from cannabis. And that's just if you're blazed. If you're just a casual high? Wow, well, I don't care how much truth is prone to hurt on these forums, but I feel just as safe driving high as sober. Driving buzzed on alcohol? Yeah, you can do it, but you're really pushing it. And my point about this wasn't about motor skills and driving, it was a point of saying if you're trashed on alcohol, *you will not function.* If you smoked 10 blunts? Guess what? You're ripped out of your mind, but could still pull off acting somewhat normal if you absolutely had to. Also, guess again? I've got even more points, because this is so stupid that there are obviously a million points going for it. Kids can get weed easier than alcohol at the present because of the laws. If it was legalized and therefore regulated, it would be just as hard to get as alcohol (which honestly still isn't that hard, but nothing you can do about it, and certainly not if you're keeping it unregulated). As said before on this thread, drug dealers don't I.D. The guy at the register does. If you want less kids to be smoking this plant, then you're actually for legalization and regulation, whether you're actually aware of it or not. As far as more people smoking and driving and crap because of it? Wow. You realize the legality of a substance doesn't correlate with whether someone is gonna be doing that or not, right? If John is someone who would like to get high to go to a party, guess what? He probably already has. Do you know what Jamie is doing if she thinks she can go and drive while high? She's probably out on the road right now. Sure, there is a mass of people who choose not to smoke because of the law, but would partake if changed. Well, these are also the kind of people who are probably not going to be driving high and getting into trouble after legalization if it was for the law in the first place that kept them ethically from doing it. Sorry this was long, late, unorganized and maybe a little unclear. But those were all points I wanted to throw out after reading every post in this thread. I'm so ashamed to live in a country with people so absolutely brainwashed. If you want to say anything about this, LOOK IT UP. And I don't mean just on the internet, I'm talking about your local library and college library database. It seems this is what a lot of people for Prop 19 have done, but clearly not a lot of those opposed. If you don't like any drugs because you live your life fine without them? That's great. I respect your lifestyle. If I don't smoke cigarettes because I don't want lung cancer, if I don't drink because I don't want liver failure, but if I consume cannabis because I live my life fine choosing to be high when I want to be? Then that's great too. Respect my lifestyle and the others like me, not inhibit it.

linkoffire

I wonder if there will be a rule against quoting this...

nobody is going to read that ^^

needled24-7

I read it. (._.)

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#156 Saxonhoo
Member since 2008 • 412 Posts

As am I. Against it.

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#157 PsychoRedFox666
Member since 2007 • 2081 Posts

I hate the stuff so obviously I hope it never gets legalized.

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#158 Serraph105
Member since 2007 • 36092 Posts

I hate the stuff so obviously I hope it never gets legalized.

PsychoRedFox666

I don't smoke it either, but their are reasons more important than my distaste of the stuff that make me think it should get legalized.

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#159 GHlegend77
Member since 2009 • 10328 Posts

I hate the stuff so obviously I hope it never gets legalized.

PsychoRedFox666
Why? Do you realize all the medical barriers you are building? The support of crooked politicians you are rearing? The ****ing large amount of people you are putting in prison? All with this statement.. I've never smoked it, and never will, but personal experiences have led me to want and feel the need for the legalization of the drug.
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#160 gaming25
Member since 2010 • 6181 Posts
[QUOTE="GHlegend77"][QUOTE="PsychoRedFox666"]

I hate the stuff so obviously I hope it never gets legalized.

Why? Do you realize all the medical barriers you are building? The support of crooked politicians you are rearing? The ****ing large amount of people you are putting in prison? All with this statement.. I've never smoked it, and never will, but personal experiences have led me to want and feel the need for the legalization of the drug.

First of all, in CA it is already legal for those who have medical problems that need it.
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#162 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="GHlegend77"] Why? Do you realize all the medical barriers you are building? The support of crooked politicians you are rearing? The ****ing large amount of people you are putting in prison? All with this statement.. I've never smoked it, and never will, but personal experiences have led me to want and feel the need for the legalization of the drug.GHlegend77
First of all, in CA it is already legal for those who have medical problems that need it.

Wow, thank you! I'll have my whole family move halfway across the United States now! =D

California isn't the only one who has it legal for medical purposes.

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881

thankfully my state is on that list (Nevada)

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#163 gaming25
Member since 2010 • 6181 Posts
[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="GHlegend77"] Why? Do you realize all the medical barriers you are building? The support of crooked politicians you are rearing? The ****ing large amount of people you are putting in prison? All with this statement.. I've never smoked it, and never will, but personal experiences have led me to want and feel the need for the legalization of the drug.GHlegend77
First of all, in CA it is already legal for those who have medical problems that need it.

Wow, thank you! I'll have my whole family move halfway across the United States now! =D

This thread is about Prop 19.
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#165 GHlegend77
Member since 2009 • 10328 Posts

[QUOTE="GHlegend77"][QUOTE="gaming25"] First of all, in CA it is already legal for those who have medical problems that need it.testfactor888

Wow, thank you! I'll have my whole family move halfway across the United States now! =D

California isn't the only one who has it legal for medical purposes.

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881

thankfully my state is on that list (Nevada)

Great for you. =] Kind of sucks on my end, though. Neither Arkansas nor Illinois is on that list. =[
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#166 0Tyler0
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I could care less if someone smokes a joint, and I don't even smoke it. It just doesn't seem like a big deal.
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#167 metalpower08
Member since 2007 • 1254 Posts
I would vote yes, but I'm to stoned to go to the voting place. lulzAgent-Zero
hence why the bill did not pass.