Prop 8 set to Pass (Samesex Marriage Ban)

seriously.. how could someone vote against something as hot as a lesbian wedding ( at least the one i have pictured in my mind ) :P

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That quote chain scares me.Blood-Scribe

What's scarier is that the whole discussion amounts to nothing.

Look, its simple. Marriage = (equals) the union of a MAN and a WOMAN. Nothing else. That is marriage by definition and by tradition. Man/Man can never and will never be equal to that because they arent. Its very easy. Men cant reproduce together. It simply doesnt work that way.

In other words, it has nothing to do with people opposing the union of two men or two women. It is all to do with terminology. DONT CALL IT MARRIAGE. That is wrong.

Now, if they called it something else (ie civil union) than it wouldnt be a problem, because that is what it is. Get it through ya minds, please.

thx

Archon_

I AGREE 100 PERCENT

Yes on Prop 8 presented commercials to sway voters. Yet the No on Prop 8 wasn't wrong for doing so?

LikeHaterade

Also... no, they weren't trying to do the same thing; they were trying to do the opposite.

seriously.. how could someone vote against something as hot as a lesbian wedding ( at least the one i have pictured in my mind ) :P

comp_atkins

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Yes on Prop 8 presented commercials to sway voters. Yet the No on Prop 8 wasn't wrong for doing so?

Funky_Llama

Also... no, they weren't trying to do the same thing; they were trying to do the opposite.

seriously.. how could someone vote against something as hot as a lesbian wedding ( at least the one i have pictured in my mind ) :P

comp_atkins

so internet pron has lied to me??!? :shock:

I honestly think the only reason it will pass is because at least 2-4% of the voters picked "yes" when they should have picked "no". If you don't follow politics very closely you would probably assume "yes" means "yes, keep gay marriage legal". yabbicoke

the same amount of people probably picked no then when they meant yes..

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Yes on Prop 8 presented commercials to sway voters. Yet the No on Prop 8 wasn't wrong for doing so?

comp_atkins

Also... no, they weren't trying to do the same thing; they were trying to do the opposite.

seriously.. how could someone vote against something as hot as a lesbian wedding ( at least the one i have pictured in my mind ) :P

comp_atkins

so internet pron has lied to me??!? :shock:

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Yes on Prop 8 presented commercials to sway voters. Yet the No on Prop 8 wasn't wrong for doing so?

Funky_Llama

Also... no, they weren't trying to do the same thing; they were trying to do the opposite.

Those were supposed to be reversed in my post. We were talking about the commercials. Apparently, you were referring to the idea behind Yes on Prop 8 to be wrong. In that case, that's just your personal opinion.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Yes on Prop 8 presented commercials to sway voters. Yet the No on Prop 8 wasn't wrong for doing so?

LikeHaterade

Also... no, they weren't trying to do the same thing; they were trying to do the opposite.

Those were supposed to be reversed in my post. We were talking about the commercials. Apparently, you were referring to the idea behind Yes on Prop 8 to be wrong. In that case, that's just your personal opinion.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"]As a Californian, I am deeply dissapointed in the passing of prop 8. But on the bright side, it barely passed with 52% of the vote. In addition, I believe a lot of people only voted yes because they believed the lies of the Yes on 8 campaign and thought it would affect their children's education. I think that whithin the next 4 to 8 years, most Californians will be in favor of legalizing gay marriage.Tauruslink

Imo, the Yes on 8 campaign was worse. They flat out claimed that kids undeniably 100% would be taught about gay marriage in schools, and they only used 1 example of 1 couple to make that claim. Then they talked about how some kids were taken to see a lesbian wedding, conviniently ommiting the fact that every one of those kids' parents signed a permission slip to go on that fieldtrip. They also claimed that voting no on 8 was a threat to religious freedom, which is also not true. Imo, they used a lot of lies and dirty tactics to hit people where it hurts: their kids.

...Why would they even have a fieldtrip to a lesbian wedding in the first place?

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Yes on Prop 8 presented commercials to sway voters. Yet the No on Prop 8 wasn't wrong for doing so?

Funky_Llama

Also... no, they weren't trying to do the same thing; they were trying to do the opposite.

Those were supposed to be reversed in my post. We were talking about the commercials. Apparently, you were referring to the idea behind Yes on Prop 8 to be wrong. In that case, that's just your personal opinion.

Dude, I'm so confused on the Props right now, it isn't funny.

You know what i mean. :P

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Yes on Prop 8 presented commercials to sway voters. Yet the No on Prop 8 wasn't wrong for doing so?

LikeHaterade

Also... no, they weren't trying to do the same thing; they were trying to do the opposite.

Those were supposed to be reversed in my post. We were talking about the commercials. Apparently, you were referring to the idea behind Yes on Prop 8 to be wrong. In that case, that's just your personal opinion.

Dude, I'm so confused on the Props right now, it isn't funny.

You know what i mean. :P

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Yes on Prop 8 presented commercials to sway voters. Yet the No on Prop 8 wasn't wrong for doing so?

Funky_Llama

Also... no, they weren't trying to do the same thing; they were trying to do the opposite.

Those were supposed to be reversed in my post. We were talking about the commercials. Apparently, you were referring to the idea behind Yes on Prop 8 to be wrong. In that case, that's just your personal opinion.

Dude, I'm so confused on the Props right now, it isn't funny.

You know what i mean. :P

Word...

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"]As a Californian, I am deeply dissapointed in the passing of prop 8. But on the bright side, it barely passed with 52% of the vote. In addition, I believe a lot of people only voted yes because they believed the lies of the Yes on 8 campaign and thought it would affect their children's education. I think that whithin the next 4 to 8 years, most Californians will be in favor of legalizing gay marriage.LittleHands134

Imo, the Yes on 8 campaign was worse. They flat out claimed that kids undeniably 100% would be taught about gay marriage in schools, and they only used 1 example of 1 couple to make that claim. Then they talked about how some kids were taken to see a lesbian wedding, conviniently ommiting the fact that every one of those kids' parents signed a permission slip to go on that fieldtrip. They also claimed that voting no on 8 was a threat to religious freedom, which is also not true. Imo, they used a lot of lies and dirty tactics to hit people where it hurts: their kids.

...Why would they even have a fieldtrip to a lesbian wedding in the first place?

Idk, it was their teachers wedding. The point was that no child was exposed to that without parental consent, but the Yes on 8 campaign made it seem as if that was mandatory for those kids to go.

this is not about gay marraige for me. this is about the religious majority who think they are higher than the constitiution.

seperation of the church and state, anyone?

does anyone even care about the constitution anymore?

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]So much for land of the free.LittleHands134

I don't know if that's fair to say. People were free to vote against it, but the majority voted for it. It's not like the Government is forcing this on California.

this is not about gay marraige for me. this is about the religious majority who think they are higher than the constitiution.

seperation of the church and state, anyone?

does anyone even care about the constitution anymore?

mistervengeance

Exactly what I was thinking. This isn't about gay marriage for me either. It's about a-hole Christians who want to impose their views on other people.

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

this is not about gay marraige for me. this is about the religious majority who think they are higher than the constitiution.

seperation of the church and state, anyone?

does anyone even care about the constitution anymore?

GodLovesDead

Exactly what I was thinking. This isn't about gay marriage for me either. It's about a-hole Christians who want to impose their views on other people.

Not everyone believes that Gay Marriage is morally right. Both parties are standing up for what they believe in.

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

this is not about gay marraige for me. this is about the religious majority who think they are higher than the constitiution.

seperation of the church and state, anyone?

does anyone even care about the constitution anymore?

TOOLFRENZY

Exactly what I was thinking. This isn't about gay marriage for me either. It's about a-hole Christians who want to impose their views on other people.

Not everyone believes that Gay Marriage is morally right.

Right. Because of Christianity :P. What next? A law forcing people to attend church because Christians think that doing otherwise isn't morally right?

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

this is not about gay marraige for me. this is about the religious majority who think they are higher than the constitiution.

seperation of the church and state, anyone?

does anyone even care about the constitution anymore?

GodLovesDead

Exactly what I was thinking. This isn't about gay marriage for me either. It's about a-hole Christians who want to impose their views on other people.

Constitution? Ha, anyone who voted for Obama shouldn't be complaing about something being constitutional.

[QUOTE="TOOLFRENZY"][QUOTE="GodLovesDead"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

this is not about gay marraige for me. this is about the religious majority who think they are higher than the constitiution.

seperation of the church and state, anyone?

does anyone even care about the constitution anymore?

GodLovesDead

Exactly what I was thinking. This isn't about gay marriage for me either. It's about a-hole Christians who want to impose their views on other people.

Not everyone believes that Gay Marriage is morally right.

Right. Because of Christianity :P. What next? A law forcing people to attend church because Christians think that doing otherwise isn't morally right?

Well, I think if Christians honestly believed attending church on Sunday was that vital to our nation as a whole, there would indeed be a law, crazy as that sounds.

Makes me proud I live in the good old USA where the people can voice in the votes and the people have spoken :)Santesyu

Yet people also voted on the Jim Crow laws.

im glad it passed. personally.freshgman

this is not about gay marraige for me. this is about the religious majority who think they are higher than the constitiution.

seperation of the church and state, anyone?

does anyone even care about the constitution anymore?

mistervengeance

what's appropriate for you may not be appropriate for others. This is simply a difference in views wherein in this case, the majority wins.

I found this thread searching for the answer as to whether or not gay marriages performed between jun-nov. 4 would be nulified by Prop 8. I never thought, in a million years, I would find one of the most open minded discussions on a website that I go to for cheats and walkthroughs. But, I was so honestly moved by the discussion here that I decided to register.

From the bible quoter and Scalia(blech) believing law student(I think you were a student, from you quoting a prof) to the Canadian and poster who has a gay cousin, I found one of the most honest and real discussions on the issue. Thank you. From the bottom of this femme lesbians heart. Thank you. It's hard, when discussing gay rights, to find a dialogue free of blantant homophobia and Leviticus/Corinthians/Romans quoting. This thread was not, to a large degree, filled with hate. If it weren't 24 pages long, I would have read them all.. I think I got through 2/3's of it. But, what I did read was an honest exchange of perspective and not regurgitated talking points. So, again, I thank you.

From where I sit, again being a lesbian, the vote on 8 was disappointing. The vote in Arkansas to not allow any non married persons to adopt, just to make sure that gays couldn't adopt because they can't marry, was beyond that. I think what you'll see in this country, perhaps on the back of Prop 8, will be a push for the 1,049 rights and responsibilities attached to marriage on a federal level will be not a push to have the institute change(which, c'mon it's a religious one) but go the route of changing the semantics of 'marriage.' Because, honestly, we're fighting over a word and all of those rights attached to it. So, give up the fight for the word and, instead, change the language. Change the federal language to be something akin to 'civil unions' or 'civil contracts'... because, when you get that piece of paper that allows you those 1,049 rights, you are entering a CIVIL union. The marriage aspect has more to do with the pomp and circumstance then the law. We've forgotten that over time and I would be a dilluted person to believe that religious institutes and their followers will ever drop their percieved ownership of the word. Because, at the end of the day, it's those rights that we're fighting for, not use of a word.

So, even those who don't think my relationship is equal to theirs, thank you for your honesty. Our opinions and experiences will probably never converge, but at least the dialogue is being had. And, in this forum, I've found one of the most civil ones out there on our beloved internets. ;)

-Shannon

I found this thread searching for the answer as to whether or not gay marriages performed between jun-nov. 4 would be nulified by Prop 8. I never thought, in a million years, I would find one of the most open minded discussions on a website that I go to for cheats and walkthroughs. But, I was so honestly moved by the discussion here that I decided to register.

From the bible quoter and Scalia(blech) believing law student(I think you were a student, from you quoting a prof) to the Canadian and poster who has a gay cousin, I found one of the most honest and real discussions on the issue. Thank you. From the bottom of this femme lesbians heart. Thank you. It's hard, when discussing gay rights, to find a dialogue free of blantant homophobia and Leviticus/Corinthians/Romans quoting. This thread was not, to a large degree, filled with hate. If it weren't 24 pages long, I would have read them all.. I think I got through 2/3's of it. But, what I did read was an honest exchange of perspective and not regurgitated talking points. So, again, I thank you.

From where I sit, again being a lesbian, the vote on 8 was disappointing. The vote in Arkansas to not allow any non married persons to adopt, just to make sure that gays couldn't adopt because they can't marry, was beyond that. I think what you'll see in this country, perhaps on the back of Prop 8, will be a push for the 1,049 rights and responsibilities attached to marriage on a federal level will be not a push to have the institute change(which, c'mon it's a religious one) but go the route of changing the semantics of 'marriage.' Because, honestly, we're fighting over a word and all of those rights attached to it. So, give up the fight for the word and, instead, change the language. Change the federal language to be something akin to 'civil unions' or 'civil contracts'... because, when you get that piece of paper that allows you those 1,049 rights, you are entering a CIVIL union. The marriage aspect has more to do with the pomp and circumstance then the law. We've forgotten that over time and I would be a dilluted person to believe that religious institutes and their followers will ever drop their percieved ownership of the word. Because, at the end of the day, it's those rights that we're fighting for, not use of a word.

So, even those who don't think my relationship is equal to theirs, thank you for your honesty. Our opinions and experiences will probably never converge, but at least the dialogue is being had. And, in this forum, I've found one of the most civil ones out there on our beloved internets. ;)

-Shannon

siren420

Legal definitions are not religious definitions, though. It seems pretty decidedly "separate but equal" to me. Edit: By the way, the proposition was down in the polls until the LDS leadership from out of state starting pouring in tens of millions of dollars to fund misleading ads (saying things like how children would be taught about gay marriage in schools) here.xaos

Thankfully church and state is separated. But this is one of the few times where morals founded completely in religion are applied to law.GodLovesDead

The government can apply a policy that is congruent to a religion as long as that policy is not founded because of religion (therefore, if it serves a secualr purpose, a law can be enacted that happens to coincide with a religion's belief).

Wow, this is depressing but then again I don't really expect much from humanity anymore.

To all the anti gay marriage folks in here, what difference does it make to your life at all? These gay couples are already a couple, most are probably living as defactos. How the hell does them gaining legal benefits for such a relationship suddenly change anything at all? They aren't ever going to have kids, they aren't ever going to go out and marry a woman. What changes besides benefits for them and only them? Someone please explain this to me??

Okay, I don't get it... Women weren't even given the right to vote, yet now they are seen as equals (especially today). Black people were discriminated because of color of their skin, weven't given any rights either (logically), and now they are equals. NOW we are discriminating homosexuals the right to marriage... :| Sounds like a load of hypocrisy to me.

The thing is that people vote YES because their opinion or religious belief is based on "Marriage is traditional and is only supposed to be man and woman...not man and man..." Yet, people are voting yes not for the benefits of marriage such as health care, social security and everything else. IT comes to the written law of it where it statuse "the husband and wife"... and in this case, who is considered husband and wife? Well of course it can be ammended for partner instead of labeling each other. OTHERWISE People are voting YES on 8 for the wrong reasons... They wish not to give the right to marriage based on personal beliefe, not legal benefits.

Pisses me off...

A relationship between a man and a women is the way it's supposed to be. I don't mind a little girl-on-girl, but yeah...Heterosexuality FTW!!I_pWnzz_YoU

Hypocrite is written all over your statement.

A relationship between a man and a women is the way it's supposed to be. I don't mind a little girl-on-girl, but yeah...Heterosexuality FTW!!I_pWnzz_YoU

But that's why homosexuals are what they are... they don't want a relationship with the opposite sex.

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"]A relationship between a man and a women is the way it's supposed to be. I don't mind a little girl-on-girl, but yeah...Heterosexuality FTW!!groovdafied

Hypocrite is written all over your statement.

I tend to do that often. It doesn't bother me so I don't really care.

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"]A relationship between a man and a women is the way it's supposed to be. I don't mind a little girl-on-girl, but yeah...Heterosexuality FTW!!Red-XIII

But that's why homosexuals are what they are... they don't want a relationship with the opposite sex.

Thats what I'm saying. When a man is with a women you get a feeling, like you want that very moment to last forever. You just want to stop time and stay with her forever. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I don't see how two people from the same sex can get that same experience.

majority rules...no ifs, and or buts about it

benfits are given to oppsite sex marriages becuase they produce children...which populates out future society

This kind of thing shouldn't be passed IMO. I also hated how the commercials (for yes on Prop 8 ) and some people use the Gay marriage going to be teach to little kids" BS.Wanderer5

Indeed it was...a bunch of BS.

On another note what ever happend to the idea of having a union instead of calling it marriage something like that. :|

Gay's should just make a new religion or something so they can marry all they want. >_> I mean if we consider Scientology a religion im pretty sure we can make a new one that allows gay marriage.

[QUOTE="Red-XIII"]

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"]A relationship between a man and a women is the way it's supposed to be. I don't mind a little girl-on-girl, but yeah...Heterosexuality FTW!!I_pWnzz_YoU

But that's why homosexuals are what they are... they don't want a relationship with the opposite sex.

Thats what I'm saying. When a man is with a women you get a feeling, like you want that very moment to last forever. You just want to stop time and stay with her forever. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I don't see how two people from the same sex can get that same experience.

But they do though. You may not understand it, but it doesn't mean they don't feel the same love.

majority rules...no ifs, and or buts about it

benfits are given to oppsite sex marriages becuase they produce children...which populates out future society

Walmart_Gangsta

Wrong. Majority doesn't rule, the Constitution rules. If prop 8 is deemed unconstitutional, then it could very well be rebuked.

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"][QUOTE="Red-XIII"]

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"]A relationship between a man and a women is the way it's supposed to be. I don't mind a little girl-on-girl, but yeah...Heterosexuality FTW!!Red-XIII

But that's why homosexuals are what they are... they don't want a relationship with the opposite sex.

Thats what I'm saying. When a man is with a women you get a feeling, like you want that very moment to last forever. You just want to stop time and stay with her forever. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I don't see how two people from the same sex can get that same experience.

But they do though. You may not understand it, but it doesn't mean they don't feel the same love.

Maybe it's just because I'm a horndog or because I appreciate women too much :lol: I can't stop homosexuality from happening, I just have reason to believe that a man loving a women is the natural way of things.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]This kind of thing shouldn't be passed IMO. I also hated how the commercials (for yes on Prop 8 ) and some people use the Gay marriage going to be teach to little kids" BS.MrLions

Indeed it was...a bunch of BS.

On another note what ever happend to the idea of having a union instead of calling it marriage something like that. :|

Gay's should just make a new religion or something so they can marry all they want. >_> I mean if we consider Scientology a religion im pretty sure we can make a new one that allows gay marriage.

I think they'd have to pass some bill to create their own religion. If they form it in secrecy, or without the Governments permission (I think you need the Governments permission to create a new religion :? ) then it would be a cult. Besides every religion has a God, who would theirs be?

Gay marriage will be legal some day but just not now.

Gay marriage will be legal some day but just not now.

ReverseCycology

I believe so too, and I look forward to that day.