Prop 8 set to Pass (Samesex Marriage Ban)

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Santesyu

Does it look like I care? I just want the division to end. Just stop it already. We don't need this.

Just let them marry. Don't be scared. It won't hurt anyone. People won't die.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Santesyu

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

It is our DUTY as Americans to break laws that are unjust.

To all Gay people out there: Just go for it. Don't let anything stop you.

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Rikusaki

Do I look like I care? I just want the division to end. Just stop it already. We don't need this.

Just let them marry. Don't be scared. It won't hurt anyone. People won't die.

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

links136

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

Exactly.

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

links136

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Santesyu

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

Okay, why can't we let them marry?

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Santesyu

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

links136

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

links136

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

Yeah, that's messed up. Just leave the Gays alone and let them do what they want. We shouldn't be making unjust laws.

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Santesyu

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

In other words yes?

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

links136

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

In other words yes?

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Santesyu

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

In other words yes?

Gays are not allowed to get married. Straight people are. Are gays and straight treated equal?

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

links136

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

In other words yes?

Gays are not allowed to get married. Straight people are. Are gays and straight treated equal?

It is our DUTY as Americans to break laws that are unjust.

To all Gay people out there: Just go for it. Don't let anything stop you.

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Santesyu

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

In other words yes?

Gays are not allowed to get married. Straight people are. Are gays and straight treated equal?

Yeah, what did you think it meant?

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

It is our DUTY as Americans to break laws that are unjust.

To all Gay people out there: Just go for it. Don't let anything stop you.

Vandalvideo

Yes it is. Martin Luther King Jr. believed this and if it wern't for him breaking unjust laws, things would be very different right now.

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

links136

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

In other words yes?

Gays are not allowed to get married. Straight people are. Are gays and straight treated equal?

Yeah, what did you think it meant?

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

It is our DUTY as Americans to break laws that are unjust.

To all Gay people out there: Just go for it. Don't let anything stop you.

Vandalvideo

Are you saying that when politics changes over time, the idea of what is just and moral changes as well? Another question, do you always consider the law to be just and moral?

So how does OT feel about it? Looks like Prop 8 (Ban on gay marriage in California) is about to win with a 52% victory.

Edit: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#CAI01

LittleHands134

No, they got California to ban gay marrige the world is over! *shoots self*

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

It is our DUTY as Americans to break laws that are unjust.

To all Gay people out there: Just go for it. Don't let anything stop you.

Vandalvideo

Constitutiion??????? What the hell are you talking about? This is how they want to live their life so just let them. How does it affect your life?

ALL GAYS HAVE YOUR MARRIAGES AND FORGET ABOUT THE STUPID PIECE OF PAPER THE GOVERNMENT GIVES YOU. Its about the symbol of the marriage not the legal piece of paper.

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

So how does OT feel about it? Looks like Prop 8 (Ban on gay marriage in California) is about to win with a 52% victory.

Edit: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#CAI01

linkinpark494

No, they got California to ban gay marrige the world is over! *shoots self*

Yes it is. Martin Luther King Jr. believed this and if it wern't for him breaking unjust laws, things would be very different right now. Rikusaki

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Santesyu

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

In other words yes?

Gays are not allowed to get married. Straight people are. Are gays and straight treated equal?

Yeah, what did you think it meant?

And Like I said, if everything was voted on, how different would america be?

you saying that when politics changes over time, the idea of what is just and moral changes as well? Another question, do you always consider the law to be just and moral?LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

links136

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

In other words yes?

Gays are not allowed to get married. Straight people are. Are gays and straight treated equal?

Yeah, what did you think it meant?

And Like I said, if everything was voted on, how different would america be?

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Santesyu

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

In other words yes?

Gays are not allowed to get married. Straight people are. Are gays and straight treated equal?

Because people voted to change the definition of marriage as to exclude same-sex couples when it formerly included them...

Absolutely they aren't being treated as equals.

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Santesyu

Its hard to read through 8 pages of crap flinging. It really would save alot of time and money. I mean how would gays getting married hurt you in any way?

So you'd let your beliefs get in the way of something that doesn't harm you and makes others happy?

In other words yes?

Gays are not allowed to get married. Straight people are. Are gays and straight treated equal?

Yeah, what did you think it meant?

And Like I said, if everything was voted on, how different would america be?

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Yes it is. Martin Luther King Jr. believed this and if it wern't for him breaking unjust laws, things would be very different right now. Vandalvideo

As a Californian, I am deeply dissapointed in the passing of prop 8. But on the bright side, it barely passed with 52% of the vote. In addition, I believe a lot of people only voted yes because they believed the lies of the Yes on 8 campaign and thought it would affect their children's education. I think that whithin the next 4 to 8 years, most Californians will be in favor of legalizing gay marriage.Tauruslink

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

do you have the scientific data to prove that?

comp_atkins

well you say with such certainty it is a choice. so now you have to proove it.

fail

:lol: Well done Mr. Atkins.

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]As a Californian, I am deeply dissapointed in the passing of prop 8. But on the bright side, it barely passed with 52% of the vote. In addition, I believe a lot of people only voted yes because they believed the lies of the Yes on 8 campaign and thought it would affect their children's education. I think that whithin the next 4 to 8 years, most Californians will be in favor of legalizing gay marriage.Stevo_the_gamer

That quote chain scares me.Funky_Llama

What's scarier is that the whole discussion amounts to nothing.

I spit on every person who voted yes to ban gay marriage.links136

I find it disappointing and it will be judged negatively by history.YourOldFriend

The difference is the Yes on Prop 8 compaign was wrong. >_>Funky_Llama

Edit: Wait, are you talking about morals... or in terms of accuracy in what the campaigns were ... well, "campaigning"?

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]As a Californian, I am deeply dissapointed in the passing of prop 8. But on the bright side, it barely passed with 52% of the vote. In addition, I believe a lot of people only voted yes because they believed the lies of the Yes on 8 campaign and thought it would affect their children's education. I think that whithin the next 4 to 8 years, most Californians will be in favor of legalizing gay marriage.Stevo_the_gamer

Imo, the Yes on 8 campaign was worse. They flat out claimed that kids undeniably 100% would be taught about gay marriage in schools, and they only used 1 example of 1 couple to make that claim. Then they talked about how some kids were taken to see a lesbian wedding, conviniently ommiting the fact that every one of those kids' parents signed a permission slip to go on that fieldtrip. They also claimed that voting no on 8 was a threat to religious freedom, which is also not true. Imo, they used a lot of lies and dirty tactics to hit people where it hurts: their kids.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"]As a Californian, I am deeply dissapointed in the passing of prop 8. But on the bright side, it barely passed with 52% of the vote. In addition, I believe a lot of people only voted yes because they believed the lies of the Yes on 8 campaign and thought it would affect their children's education. I think that whithin the next 4 to 8 years, most Californians will be in favor of legalizing gay marriage.Funky_Llama

Yea, just as wrong as the No on Prop 8 since they were both trying to do the same thing. :lol:

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"]As a Californian, I am deeply dissapointed in the passing of prop 8. But on the bright side, it barely passed with 52% of the vote. In addition, I believe a lot of people only voted yes because they believed the lies of the Yes on 8 campaign and thought it would affect their children's education. I think that whithin the next 4 to 8 years, most Californians will be in favor of legalizing gay marriage.LikeHaterade

Yea, just as wrong the No on Prop 8 since they were both trying to do the same thing. :lol:

[QUOTE="YourOldFriend"]I find it disappointing and it will be judged negatively by history.Funky_Llama

Not a chance in hell. History has a progression towards egalitarian and liberty. Anti-gay rights will be equivalent to pro-slavery in future (in ideology, probably not in practicality). Sometimes you have to look at an issue not as what you prefer, but what is right.

Imo, the Yes on 8 campaign was worse. They flat out claimed that kids undeniably 100% would be taught about gay marriage in schools, and they only used 1 example of 1 couple to make that claim. Then they talked about how some kids were taken to see a lesbian wedding, conviniently ommiting the fact that every one of those kids' parents signed a permission slip to go on that fieldtrip. They also claimed that voting no on 8 was a threat to religious freedom, which is also not true. Imo, they used a lot of lies and dirty tactics to hit people where it hurts: their kids.

Tauruslink

Either way, it was pretty split. And geographically... it was pretty obvious who would be voting no on prop 8 and yes on prop 8. And the districts show that.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]The difference is the Yes on Prop 8 compaign was wrong. >_>Stevo_the_gamer

Edit: Wait, are you talking about morals... or in terms of accuracy in what the campaigns were ... well, "campaigning"?

[QUOTE="YourOldFriend"]I find it disappointing and it will be judged negatively by history.YourOldFriend

Not a chance in hell. History has a progression towards egalitarian and liberty. Anti-gay rights will be equivalent to pro-slavery in future (in ideology, probably not in practicality). Sometimes you have to look at an issue not as what you prefer, but what is right.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"]As a Californian, I am deeply dissapointed in the passing of prop 8. But on the bright side, it barely passed with 52% of the vote. In addition, I believe a lot of people only voted yes because they believed the lies of the Yes on 8 campaign and thought it would affect their children's education. I think that whithin the next 4 to 8 years, most Californians will be in favor of legalizing gay marriage.Funky_Llama

Yea, just as wrong the No on Prop 8 since they were both trying to do the same thing. :lol:

Yes on Prop 8 presented commercials to sway voters. Yet the No on Prop 8 wasn't wrong for doing so?