Prop 8 set to Pass (Samesex Marriage Ban)

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"]

Instead of asking me the same question every 5-10 min can you just go back to the latter post when you was asking me the same questions when I answered?Santesyu

Just answer the question. Will it kill you? Or are you afraid?

You never answerd it.

I literally looked up the last 3 pages and found nothing that shows your stance on womens right to vote.

so then your refusal to continue declares my victory

I have to repeat myself because you refuse to answer the question.

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

links136

It states everyone has equal rights. Not giving gays the right to marry is making them lower than straight people, which is against it. Or at least in the declaration of independence.

It's like saying that someone who is fifteen should have the 'right to drive a car legally' since everyone is equal. There is no 'right to drive legally', therefore you can't be denied a right that doesn't exist.

Do I have to keep repeating myself? It states everyone has equal rights. Not allowing gays to get married is the same as not allowing women to vote.

Legislating marriage removes it from the realm of religion IMO.

And when you seperate church from state, discrimination based on sexual preference is by definition unconstitutional.

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

links136

It states everyone has equal rights. Not giving gays the right to marry is making them lower than straight people, which is against it. Or at least in the declaration of independence.

It's like saying that someone who is fifteen should have the 'right to drive a car legally' since everyone is equal. There is no 'right to drive legally', therefore you can't be denied a right that doesn't exist.

Do I have to keep repeating myself? It states everyone has equal rights. Not allowing gays to get married is the same as not allowing women to vote.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

FragStains

not quite sure of the point of this stance. Sure it'll say civil union on the paper, but they'll still call themselves married. Most of their friends will still call them married. The only people who will make a point of saying civil union are the government and a handful of christians.

In my opinion, marriage is a religious ceremony, civil unions are not.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="links136"]

Peoples rights are not something you should vote on. Shame on America. Its like they took the first sentence in the second paragraph right out of the decleration of independence. (Or is it the first paragrapgh? The one where it states everyone is equal)

mindstorm

If everyone is equal then why are children being killed... >_>

Was "The one where it states everyone is equal" not said? Sounds relevant to me...

What it makes you is a hypocrite.

Likewise.

I suppose that means we should also change the English language. Language should have the sexes be equal so we must not differentiate the two! There will be no men! There will be no women! There is only the SHIM!

Depends on your definition of equal and who you say defines the term.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="links136"]

Peoples rights are not something you should vote on. Shame on America. Its like they took the first sentence in the second paragraph right out of the decleration of independence. (Or is it the first paragrapgh? The one where it states everyone is equal)

links136

If everyone is equal then why are children being killed... >_>

Was "The one where it states everyone is equal" not said? Sounds relevant to me...

What it makes you is a hypocrite.

Likewise.

I suppose that means we should also change the English language. Language should have the sexes be equal so we must not differentiate the two! There will be no men! There will be no women! There is only the SHIM!

Equal rights =/= combining the two. And I never said that I was for or against abortion, just that I or you shouldn't decide what others do.

Homosexual marriage does actually make the two genders seem more equal in some ways. Transgender anyone?

:shock:

It's not a matter of if it harms me. It's a matter of what I feel God wants me to do. I know many do not like that answer but my faith plays a part in every action I take.

Christians are called to be a light in the world and I do not want my children to live in an immoral society.

I in no way think it's right to force a person into church. Strongely encouraging however...

Ever read the New Testament? Paul mentions food previously thought to be immoral to eat. It's ok to eat...

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="links136"]

Peoples rights are not something you should vote on. Shame on America. Its like they took the first sentence in the second paragraph right out of the decleration of independence. (Or is it the first paragrapgh? The one where it states everyone is equal)

mindstorm

If everyone is equal then why are children being killed... >_>

Was "The one where it states everyone is equal" not said? Sounds relevant to me...

What it makes you is a hypocrite.

Likewise.

I suppose that means we should also change the English language. Language should have the sexes be equal so we must not differentiate the two! There will be no men! There will be no women! There is only the SHIM!

Depends on your definition of equal and who you say defines the term.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="links136"]

Peoples rights are not something you should vote on. Shame on America. Its like they took the first sentence in the second paragraph right out of the decleration of independence. (Or is it the first paragrapgh? The one where it states everyone is equal)

links136

If everyone is equal then why are children being killed... >_>

Was "The one where it states everyone is equal" not said? Sounds relevant to me...

What it makes you is a hypocrite.

Likewise.

I suppose that means we should also change the English language. Language should have the sexes be equal so we must not differentiate the two! There will be no men! There will be no women! There is only the SHIM!

Equal rights =/= combining the two. And I never said that I was for or against abortion, just that I or you shouldn't decide what others do.

Homosexual marriage does actually make the two genders seem more equal in some ways. Transgender anyone?

:shock:

I think it's kinda baffling that as a transsexual, I could get married to a guy, but a homosexual can't get married to someone of the same sex.

I mean, that's probably the only area in which transsexuals aren't more heavily discriminated against. I guess it's just because if we do a good enough job with transition, they can't really tell we weren't born our transitioned sex.

But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

FragStains

See, this is the thing. I can respect that you employ the usage of the religious definiton of marriage.

I just ask that you respect the fact that the secular definition of marriage is(or, was) out there. All void of religious law, as the government is certainly not god, and considering atheists can get married, there certainly isn't a spiritual link.

It's just a legal contract. The government calls it marriage, which is unfortunate.

I don't see why, if people want to protect the word "marriage", people didn't petition the government to remove "marriage" from the constitution, and replace the word marriage with civil union. That way, marriage is in the hands of religion, dissolving the secular definition of marriage, and no one's rights and freedoms are damaged, and there's no "separate but equal" treatment.

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

FragStains

It states everyone has equal rights. Not giving gays the right to marry is making them lower than straight people, which is against it. Or at least in the declaration of independence.

It's like saying that someone who is fifteen should have the 'right to drive a car legally' since everyone is equal. There is no 'right to drive legally', therefore you can't be denied a right that doesn't exist.

Do I have to keep repeating myself? It states everyone has equal rights. Not allowing gays to get married is the same as not allowing women to vote.

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

Mr_sprinkles

not quite sure of the point of this stance. Sure it'll say civil union on the paper, but they'll still call themselves married. Most of their friends will still call them married. The only people who will make a point of saying civil union are the government and a handful of christians.

In my opinion, marriage is a religious ceremony, civil unions are not.

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

FragStains

It states everyone has equal rights. Not giving gays the right to marry is making them lower than straight people, which is against it. Or at least in the declaration of independence.

It's like saying that someone who is fifteen should have the 'right to drive a car legally' since everyone is equal. There is no 'right to drive legally', therefore you can't be denied a right that doesn't exist.

Do I have to keep repeating myself? It states everyone has equal rights. Not allowing gays to get married is the same as not allowing women to vote.

Why isn't it a right? Gays can't do it so its obviously a right. Same as I have the right to walk, the right to use the same fountain as everybody. If its not a right, then it can't be illegal either. There can't be government control, because theres no right to inforce.

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

links136

It states everyone has equal rights. Not giving gays the right to marry is making them lower than straight people, which is against it. Or at least in the declaration of independence.

It's like saying that someone who is fifteen should have the 'right to drive a car legally' since everyone is equal. There is no 'right to drive legally', therefore you can't be denied a right that doesn't exist.

Do I have to keep repeating myself? It states everyone has equal rights. Not allowing gays to get married is the same as not allowing women to vote.

Why isn't it a right? Gays can't do it so its obviously a right. Same as I have the right to walk, the right to use the same fountain as everybody. If its not a right, then it can't be illegal either. There can't be government control, because theres no right to inforce.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

FragStains

not quite sure of the point of this stance. Sure it'll say civil union on the paper, but they'll still call themselves married. Most of their friends will still call them married. The only people who will make a point of saying civil union are the government and a handful of christians.

In my opinion, marriage is a religious ceremony, civil unions are not.

People can say they love chocolate, but that doesn't make it any less special when the woman you want to spend the rest of your life with says "I love you"

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

links136

It states everyone has equal rights. Not giving gays the right to marry is making them lower than straight people, which is against it. Or at least in the declaration of independence.

It's like saying that someone who is fifteen should have the 'right to drive a car legally' since everyone is equal. There is no 'right to drive legally', therefore you can't be denied a right that doesn't exist.

Do I have to keep repeating myself? It states everyone has equal rights. Not allowing gays to get married is the same as not allowing women to vote.

Why isn't it a right? Gays can't do it so its obviously a right. Same as I have the right to walk, the right to use the same fountain as everybody. If its not a right, then it can't be illegal either. There can't be government control, because theres no right to inforce.

Its called comparison. Something your brain can't comprehend.

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

Santesyu

It states everyone has equal rights. Not giving gays the right to marry is making them lower than straight people, which is against it. Or at least in the declaration of independence.

It's like saying that someone who is fifteen should have the 'right to drive a car legally' since everyone is equal. There is no 'right to drive legally', therefore you can't be denied a right that doesn't exist.

Do I have to keep repeating myself? It states everyone has equal rights. Not allowing gays to get married is the same as not allowing women to vote.

Why isn't it a right? Gays can't do it so its obviously a right. Same as I have the right to walk, the right to use the same fountain as everybody. If its not a right, then it can't be illegal either. There can't be government control, because theres no right to inforce.

Its called comparison. Something your brain can't comprehend.

then instaed of tring to push aside everything, make a counter-argument.

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

links136

It states everyone has equal rights. Not giving gays the right to marry is making them lower than straight people, which is against it. Or at least in the declaration of independence.

It's like saying that someone who is fifteen should have the 'right to drive a car legally' since everyone is equal. There is no 'right to drive legally', therefore you can't be denied a right that doesn't exist.

Do I have to keep repeating myself? It states everyone has equal rights. Not allowing gays to get married is the same as not allowing women to vote.

Why isn't it a right? Gays can't do it so its obviously a right. Same as I have the right to walk, the right to use the same fountain as everybody. If its not a right, then it can't be illegal either. There can't be government control, because theres no right to inforce.

Its called comparison. Something your brain can't comprehend.

then instaed of tring to push aside everything, make a counter-argument.

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

Santesyu

It states everyone has equal rights. Not giving gays the right to marry is making them lower than straight people, which is against it. Or at least in the declaration of independence.

It's like saying that someone who is fifteen should have the 'right to drive a car legally' since everyone is equal. There is no 'right to drive legally', therefore you can't be denied a right that doesn't exist.

Do I have to keep repeating myself? It states everyone has equal rights. Not allowing gays to get married is the same as not allowing women to vote.

Why isn't it a right? Gays can't do it so its obviously a right. Same as I have the right to walk, the right to use the same fountain as everybody. If its not a right, then it can't be illegal either. There can't be government control, because theres no right to inforce.

Its called comparison. Something your brain can't comprehend.

then instaed of tring to push aside everything, make a counter-argument.

Your beliefs do not outweigh discrimination. The lack of marriage denys gays certain rights such as assets and loans.

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

It says that people have the right to get married in The Constitution? *goes to check again*

Seriously, people should realize that not everyone thinks the way OT or Hollywood does. I'm find with allowing consenting homosexual couples civil unions, giving them equal privileges of marriage. But marriage, to me atleast, is a religious ceremony, not a state-controlled one.

links136

It states everyone has equal rights. Not giving gays the right to marry is making them lower than straight people, which is against it. Or at least in the declaration of independence.

It's like saying that someone who is fifteen should have the 'right to drive a car legally' since everyone is equal. There is no 'right to drive legally', therefore you can't be denied a right that doesn't exist.

Do I have to keep repeating myself? It states everyone has equal rights. Not allowing gays to get married is the same as not allowing women to vote.

Why isn't it a right? Gays can't do it so its obviously a right. Same as I have the right to walk, the right to use the same fountain as everybody. If its not a right, then it can't be illegal either. There can't be government control, because theres no right to inforce.

Its called comparison. Something your brain can't comprehend.

then instaed of tring to push aside everything, make a counter-argument.

Your beliefs do not outweigh discrimination. The lack of marriage denys gays certain rights such as assets and loans.

Why isn't it a right? Gays can't do it so its obviously a right. Same as I have the right to walk, the right to use the same fountain as everybody. If its not a right, then it can't be illegal either. There can't be government control, because theres no right to inforce. links136

Personally, I believe marriage is not messing with gays its just that gays is messing with marriage, and simply thats how prop 8 got started. The people have voted even gays, and the result is the people have spoken. Of course there are going be people who hates something, woman, a certain race and gays but it seems to me your agrument seems to be discrimination is the reason why gays lost which isn't true, the reason why prop 8 went through is because the definition of marriage would be changed which most people did not want that. Simple as that.Santesyu

Actually i'm arguing that gay marriage shouldn't even be something you should vote on. Having it voted illegal just shows how ignorant americans are. Could you imagine if everything was voted on? Thats where the race and sexism come in. Treating gays a certain way is no different. The church definiton does not have to = the state definition. I can tell you as far as I remember it wasn't voted on up here. It was simply awarded, because its not something that should be voted on.

[QUOTE="links136"]Why isn't it a right? Gays can't do it so its obviously a right. Same as I have the right to walk, the right to use the same fountain as everybody. If its not a right, then it can't be illegal either. There can't be government control, because theres no right to inforce. Vandalvideo

Can you define them from others?

[QUOTE="links136"]Why isn't it a right? Gays can't do it so its obviously a right. Same as I have the right to walk, the right to use the same fountain as everybody. If its not a right, then it can't be illegal either. There can't be government control, because theres no right to inforce. Vandalvideo

Why are straight couples entitled the right to marriage?Mr_sprinkles

Can you define them from otherslinks136

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Why are straight couples entitled the right to marriage?Vandalvideo

.....*puke*

[QUOTE="Santesyu"]Personally, I believe marriage is not messing with gays its just that gays is messing with marriage, and simply thats how prop 8 got started. The people have voted even gays, and the result is the people have spoken. Of course there are going be people who hates something, woman, a certain race and gays but it seems to me your agrument seems to be discrimination is the reason why gays lost which isn't true, the reason why prop 8 went through is because the definition of marriage would be changed which most people did not want that. Simple as that.links136

Actually i'm arguing that gay marriage shouldn't even be something you should vote on. Having it voted illegal just shows how ignorant americans are. Could you imagine if everything was voted on? Thats where the race and sexism come in. Treating gays a certain way is no different. The church definiton does not have to = the state definition. I can tell you as far as I remember it wasn't voted on up here. It was simply awarded, because its not something that should be voted on.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Why are straight couples entitled the right to marriage?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="links136"]Can you define them from othersVandalvideo

Then how can they be denied? (plus there is such thing as surgery)

why do they get to decide?Mr_sprinkles

Then how can they be denied? (plus there is such thing as surgery)links136

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]why do they get to decide?Vandalvideo

But anyway, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.

But anyway, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right. Mr_sprinkles

[QUOTE="links136"]Then how can they be denied? (plus there is such thing as surgery)Vandalvideo

They are still people. And everybody has equal rights. Maybe discrimination is the wrong word, but treated as unequal is undeniable.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]But anyway, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right. Vandalvideo

Although, if the basis for protected classes is immutability, why is religion a protected class?

Although, if the basis for protected classes is immutability, why is religion a protected class? Mr_sprinkles

They are still people. And everybody has equal rights. Maybe discrimination is the wrong word, but treated as unequal is undeniable.links136

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Although, if the basis for protected classes is immutability, why is religion a protected class? Vandalvideo

So then I can try to ban Christianity, being as it isn't protected?

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Although, if the basis for protected classes is immutability, why is religion a protected class? Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="links136"]They are still people. And everybody has equal rights. Maybe discrimination is the wrong word, but treated as unequal is undeniable.Vandalvideo

But everyone has equal rights. Regardless of any differences.

So then I can try to ban Christianity, being as it isn't protected?links136

So the states are allowed to discriminate according to religion?Mr_sprinkles

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Although, if the basis for protected classes is immutability, why is religion a protected class? links136

So then I can try to ban Christianity, being as it isn't protected?

[QUOTE="links136"]So then I can try to ban Christianity, being as it isn't protected?Vandalvideo

hmmm good to know?

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]So the states are allowed to discriminate according to religion?Vandalvideo

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

CHANGE the definition of Marriage. We can't let this hold us back.

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Rikusaki

Okay. It's this simple:

JUST LET THEM MARRY.

What is wrong with it? Why is this so hard? Why do we have to divide ourselves like this?

Rikusaki