"Football(Soccer) is ruining America".

[QUOTE="Dawq902"]you obviously have never played football or lacrosse. Some much energy and strength is required just for one play. We train year round just so we can pretty much last 20 plays in a row without passing out. You obviously just don't understand how much effort goes into building muscle to become storing and play harder. For 2 weeks straight we practice for 8-10 hours a day with minimal breaks. We lift a bit run for hours and do numerous drills just to get us in shape for standard practice which involves more drills and hours of learning plays, positioning and running through them all. Has to be the most demanding sport out of any. Also there are plenty are quick football players. All positions require speed and agility and the game is not based on "bashing heads". Creating holes for running backs to run through to gain yards and taking out linebackers in an insanely tiring job in itself as well as being the running back. Also creating time for the quarterback to get a pass off is extremely tiring. The amount of effort that goes into just being ready for a football game is insane as well as actually playing in a game. You clearly just don't understand that football is a much more demanding, physical sport.11Marcel

But that's the point, each sport is demanding in its own way. Just because you're not hitting other people in soccer doesn't make it any less of a sport. They're both real sports.

[QUOTE="11Marcel"]

[QUOTE="Dawq902"]you obviously have never played football or lacrosse. Some much energy and strength is required just for one play. We train year round just so we can pretty much last 20 plays in a row without passing out. You obviously just don't understand how much effort goes into building muscle to become storing and play harder. For 2 weeks straight we practice for 8-10 hours a day with minimal breaks. We lift a bit run for hours and do numerous drills just to get us in shape for standard practice which involves more drills and hours of learning plays, positioning and running through them all. Has to be the most demanding sport out of any. Also there are plenty are quick football players. All positions require speed and agility and the game is not based on "bashing heads". Creating holes for running backs to run through to gain yards and taking out linebackers in an insanely tiring job in itself as well as being the running back. Also creating time for the quarterback to get a pass off is extremely tiring. The amount of effort that goes into just being ready for a football game is insane as well as actually playing in a game. You clearly just don't understand that football is a much more demanding, physical sport.Dawq902

But that's the point, each sport is demanding in its own way. Just because you're not hitting other people in soccer doesn't make it any less of a sport. They're both real sports.

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[QUOTE="BaraChat"]If anything, soccer has the fittest athletes. The guys run for 90 minutes non stop, basketball, football, hockey and baseball players are sitting on their a**es most of the time.fanboy-buster

After 2 or 3 minutes of skating up and down the ice, scrambling for the puck, wrestling with other players for possession, forechecking/backchecking... all while wearing about 20-30 pounds of gear... you'd be ready to sit down and recharge, too.

Ever wonder why the goalie has water bottles on his net? If he didn't, he'd collapse (and likely die) of dehydration since he doesn't get a break to sit on the bench.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="11Marcel"]You're making the point that football is very demanding because you're doing so much work for it. Believe me, most sports are very demanding. Actually, they're as demanding as the competition makes it. Without the speed and condition of top players in soccer you'd also not last very long.

But that's the point, each sport is demanding in its own way. Just because you're not hitting other people in soccer doesn't make it any less of a sport. They're both real sports.

fanboy-buster

[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]Just out of curiosity, have you ever watched a hockey game? If you have, you'd realize why hockey players don't play non-stop.

After 2 or 3 minutes of skating up and down the ice, scrambling for the puck, wrestling with other players for possession, forechecking/backchecking... all while wearing about 20-30 pounds of gear... you'd be ready to sit down and recharge, too.

Ever wonder why the goalie has water bottles on his net? If he didn't, he'd collapse (and likely die) of dehydration since he doesn't get a break to sit on the bench.

Dawq902

So now football is the European Sport? More like "the whole world's Sport"... And people who only play American games don't understand how physically demanding football is... It requires the most stamina, on-the-fly thinking and intelligence.

[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="Dawq902"] never said it was less of a sport just much less of a mans sport. Seems like the only sport (besides those 'other' category sports) where men and women are equally matched. Not many woman play football and their has never been a woman in the pros. Also no women play baseball or basketball equally to men. Lacrosse is a different story though because the sports are really nothing alike minus the fact that you have similar sticks and want to score the ball in the same style net. Overall soccer is the least man dominated sport out their skill wise. As in other sports I mean things like golf, bowling, badminton, swimming etc etcDawq902

What's more fun than to watch big guys with pads hit into each other for 10 seconds then wait 2 minutes to do anything else. :roll: Soccer is 100x better than American "football"

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]Just out of curiosity, have you ever watched a hockey game? If you have, you'd realize why hockey players don't play non-stop.

After 2 or 3 minutes of skating up and down the ice, scrambling for the puck, wrestling with other players for possession, forechecking/backchecking... all while wearing about 20-30 pounds of gear... you'd be ready to sit down and recharge, too.

Ever wonder why the goalie has water bottles on his net? If he didn't, he'd collapse (and likely die) of dehydration since he doesn't get a break to sit on the bench.

fanboy-buster

It's not like they're just standing there, either: they're going down to block shots, shifting to block passing lanes, checking in the corners, etc.

I'd say they're just as fit as any soccer player. The difference is, while soccer is played at a jogging pace for 95-99% of the game, hockey is played at break-neck speed for the same amount of time.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="fanboy-buster"] Now those are wimps :Pfanboy-buster

So now football is the European Sport? More like "the whole world's Sport"... And people who only play American games don't understand how physically demanding football is... It requires the most stamina, on-the-fly thinking and intelligence.

[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"]

[QUOTE="Dawq902"] people who only play soccer don't understand how physically demanding hockey, football and basketball really are. I don't see how they would be "sitting on their asses" most of the time. That's an absolute over generalization that seems to be commonly made by European soccer fans trying to make their sport sound "cooler" and "tougher" than it actually is. Hockey Football and Basketball are all wicked tiring to play because when you are out their you are constantly exerting your best into each second or every play.Dawq902

So now football is the European Sport? More like "the whole world's Sport"... And people who only play American games don't understand how physically demanding football is... It requires the most stamina, on-the-fly thinking and intelligence.

Backyard football is nowhere near real football fyi. I play what we call "fat man football" after school sometimes. Basically tackle footbal where just you all go out for passes and try to make big plays but that's not football. Unless you just played like 2nd grade rec basketball then you can probably relate to how intense it can get. I use to play on a travel team and it actually gets very physical but much more exausting. I group basketballs physical elements with soccer though. Still not denying that soccer is not a real sport or that the players aren't fit just that american sports are equally or more tiring and physically demanding as soccer.

Last statement I just thought was very very ironic, which it is.

Although I don't agree that soccer is ruining America, I do agree that it is pretty boring next to baseball and golf.Moroes

people who only play soccer don't understand how physically demanding hockey, football and basketball really are. I don't see how they would be "sitting on their asses" most of the time. That's an absolute over generalization that seems to be commonly made by European soccer fans trying to make their sport sound "cooler" and "tougher" than it actually is. Hockey Football and Basketball are all wicked tiring to play because when you are out their you are constantly exerting your best into each second or every play.Dawq902

Are you serious? Do you have any ideas how much a soccer player runs in a single game? Over 7 miles. They run around 115 times back and forth through the whole field, and they never stop. Do you imagine doing that? Doing 115 back and forth laps. I dont think hockey, football or basketball come even close to that. And thats only the movement they do in the game because the fields are so big. Now take into consideration actually playing the game, and the horrible injuries that come out of soccer, which none of those other sports come close to.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"] people who only play soccer don't understand how physically demanding hockey, football and basketball really are. I don't see how they would be "sitting on their asses" most of the time. That's an absolute over generalization that seems to be commonly made by European soccer fans trying to make their sport sound "cooler" and "tougher" than it actually is. Hockey Football and Basketball are all wicked tiring to play because when you are out their you are constantly exerting your best into each second or every play.Samurai_Xavier

Are you serious? Do you have any ideas how much a soccer player runs in a single game? Over 7 miles. They run around 115 times back and forth through the whole field, and they never stop. Do you imagine doing that? Doing 115 back and forth laps. I dont think hockey, football or basketball come even close to that. And thats only the movement they do in the game because the fields are so big. Now take into consideration actually playing the game, and the horrible injuries that come out of soccer, which none of those other sports come close to.

Baseball is better.

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="Dawq902"] people who only play soccer don't understand how physically demanding hockey, football and basketball really are. I don't see how they would be "sitting on their asses" most of the time. That's an absolute over generalization that seems to be commonly made by European soccer fans trying to make their sport sound "cooler" and "tougher" than it actually is. Hockey Football and Basketball are all wicked tiring to play because when you are out their you are constantly exerting your best into each second or every play.Dawq902

Are you serious? Do you have any ideas how much a soccer player runs in a single game? Over 7 miles. They run around 115 times back and forth through the whole field, and they never stop. Do you imagine doing that? Doing 115 back and forth laps. I dont think hockey, football or basketball come even close to that. And thats only the movement they do in the game because the fields are so big. Now take into consideration actually playing the game, and the horrible injuries that come out of soccer, which none of those other sports come close to.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

Are you serious? Do you have any ideas how much a soccer player runs in a single game? Over 7 miles. They run around 115 times back and forth through the whole field, and they never stop. Do you imagine doing that? Doing 115 back and forth laps. I dont think hockey, football or basketball come even close to that. And thats only the movement they do in the game because the fields are so big. Now take into consideration actually playing the game, and the horrible injuries that come out of soccer, which none of those other sports come close to.

11Marcel

Disagree, better then the sports America has IMO.b3yondstupidity

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="Dawq902"] people who only play soccer don't understand how physically demanding hockey, football and basketball really are. I don't see how they would be "sitting on their asses" most of the time. That's an absolute over generalization that seems to be commonly made by European soccer fans trying to make their sport sound "cooler" and "tougher" than it actually is. Hockey Football and Basketball are all wicked tiring to play because when you are out their you are constantly exerting your best into each second or every play.Dawq902

Are you serious? Do you have any ideas how much a soccer player runs in a single game? Over 7 miles. They run around 115 times back and forth through the whole field, and they never stop. Do you imagine doing that? Doing 115 back and forth laps. I dont think hockey, football or basketball come even close to that. And thats only the movement they do in the game because the fields are so big. Now take into consideration actually playing the game, and the horrible injuries that come out of soccer, which none of those other sports come close to.

Id like to see you jog for 45 minutes non-stop. And then another 45 minutes. Sure, you say they sometimes stop, thats during faults or penalties, but they also have to run really fast at certain points. And the soccer you played was amateur level, nowhere near professional level. Also, you say that what soccer players do is no big deal, but they clearly move much more and do more work than basketball, hockey or football players.

Professional soccer players are better and more complete athletes than any basketball, baseball, football, or hockey player. A football player is a pathetic athlete, its all about eating and getting big. Football players barely even run. They tackle and move little by little. Its sad and lazy, but I guess thats why its the most popular American sport.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

Are you serious? Do you have any ideas how much a soccer player runs in a single game? Over 7 miles. They run around 115 times back and forth through the whole field, and they never stop. Do you imagine doing that? Doing 115 back and forth laps. I dont think hockey, football or basketball come even close to that. And thats only the movement they do in the game because the fields are so big. Now take into consideration actually playing the game, and the horrible injuries that come out of soccer, which none of those other sports come close to.

Samurai_Xavier

Id like to see you jog for 45 minutes non-stop. And then another 45 minutes. Sure, you say they sometimes stop, thats during faults or penalties, but they also have to run really fast at certain points. And the soccer you played was amateur level, nowhere near professional level. Also, you say that what soccer players do is no big deal, but they clearly move much more and do more work than basketball, hockey or football players.

Professional soccer players are better and more complete athletes than any basketball, baseball, football, or hockey player. A football player is a pathetic athlete, its all about eating and getting big. Football players barely even run. They tackle and move little by little. Its sad and lazy, but I guess thats why its the most popular American sport.

A football player is a pathetic athlete, its all about eating and getting big. Football players barely even run. They tackle and move little by little. Its sad and lazy, but I guess thats why its the most popular American sport.

Samurai_Xavier

I'll list a bunch of sports that are a lot less fun to watch than soccer:

(american) football, baseball, basketball, NASCAR, golf, bowling, etc.

Basically, the sports that Americans like the most are the suckish sports. I'll take soccer, rugby, hurling, and hockey any day.

I find this amusing. Anytime an American expresses dislike for soccer, in rush a hundred Europeans like raging Ganados. "MATALO!!"

I find this amusing. Anytime an American expresses dislike for soccer, in rush a hundred Europeans like raging Ganados. "MATALO!!"

Solid_Cobra

And I also have to add that baseball is the worst game ever invented. It is the most boring game to watch and the most boring game to play. And the players should get paid a millionth of what they are getting paid, because most of the time, they are just sitting on their lazy bums on the sideline! Horrible game.

And I also have to add that baseball is the worst game ever invented. It is the most boring game to watch and the most boring game to play. And the players should get paid a millionth of what they are getting paid, because most of the time, they are just sitting on their lazy bums on the sideline! Horrible game.

cubeCAT13

And try swinging a round bat, hitting a round ball that is going 89 mph+.

And I also have to add that baseball is the worst game ever invented. It is the most boring game to watch and the most boring game to play. And the players should get paid a millionth of what they are getting paid, because most of the time, they are just sitting on their lazy bums on the sideline! Horrible game.

cubeCAT13

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]A football player is a pathetic athlete, its all about eating and getting big. Football players barely even run. They tackle and move little by little. Its sad and lazy, but I guess thats why its the most popular American sport.

needled24-7

Compared to soccer, seriously. Enlighten me if you think otherwise.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]A football player is a pathetic athlete, its all about eating and getting big. Football players barely even run. They tackle and move little by little. Its sad and lazy, but I guess thats why its the most popular American sport.

Samurai_Xavier

Compared to soccer, seriously. Enlighten me if you think otherwise.

The linemen are the ones that need to be big, because they have to keep other big guys from getting past them. It's not easy. And the running backs and receivers are some of the most athletic people in the world.

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]Seriously? :|

Compared to soccer, seriously. Enlighten me if you think otherwise.

The linemen are the ones that need to be big, because they have to keep other big guys from getting past them. It's not easy. And the running backs and receivers are some of the most athletic people in the world.

Can't play soccer huh?Candy-Star

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]Seriously? :|

needled24-7

Compared to soccer, seriously. Enlighten me if you think otherwise.

The linemen are the ones that need to be big, because they have to keep other big guys from getting past them. It's not easy. And the running backs and receivers are some of the most athletic people in the world.

They still dont run anything compared to soccer players. They get to rest, walk, get back in line and formation, wait for the play to begin. Rest and walk again.

They still dont run anything compared to soccer players. They get to rest, walk, get back in line and formation, wait for the play to begin. Rest and walk again.Samurai_Xavier

Now take into consideration actually playing the game, and the horrible injuries that come out of soccer, which none of those other sports come close to.

Samurai_Xavier

Can soccer injuries top Bryan Berard (who left part of his his eye on the ice after taking a stick blade to the face)? Or the Colorado player who took an admittedly illegal hit, and suffered a broken neck? How about Clint Malarchuk, whothis year who skated into a falling player's skate and suffered a severed jugular?

On top of that, how many soccer players suffer these "horrible injuries" and continue playing? Like Berard, who, after having parts of his eye replaced (and losing roughly 90% of the sight in that eye), came back to play several more seasons?

Don't bring the "its not a mans sport" argument into it, just because the game is less physical doesn't mean anything. I don't need men running into each other to enjoy watching and playing a sport.

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"] Now take into consideration actually playing the game, and the horrible injuries that come out of soccer, which none of those other sports come close to.

OrkHammer007

Can soccer injuries top Bryan Berard (who left part of his his eye on the ice after taking a stick blade to the face)? Or the Colorado player who took an admittedly illegal hit, and suffered a broken neck? How about Clint Malarchuk, whothis year who skated into a falling player's skate and suffered a severed jugular?

On top of that, how many soccer players suffer these "horrible injuries" and continue playing? Like Berard, who, after having parts of his eye replaced (and losing roughly 90% of the sight in that eye), came back to play several more seasons?

I wouldn't say no sport comes close to soccer injuries though, and I'm sure american football injuries are worse. The thing is though, that there's a very high number of soccer players getting injuries because the body is just strained too much, which causes lots of muscle injuries.

I find this amusing. Anytime an American expresses dislike for soccer, in rush a hundred Europeans like raging Ganados. "MATALO!!"

Solid_Cobra

There are Americans out there that hate American sports, too

I find this amusing. Anytime an American expresses dislike for soccer, in rush a hundred Europeans like raging Ganados. "MATALO!!"

Solid_Cobra

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"] Now take into consideration actually playing the game, and the horrible injuries that come out of soccer, which none of those other sports come close to.

OrkHammer007

Can soccer injuries top Bryan Berard (who left part of his his eye on the ice after taking a stick blade to the face)? Or the Colorado player who took an admittedly illegal hit, and suffered a broken neck? How about Clint Malarchuk, whothis year who skated into a falling player's skate and suffered a severed jugular?

On top of that, how many soccer players suffer these "horrible injuries" and continue playing? Like Berard, who, after having parts of his eye replaced (and losing roughly 90% of the sight in that eye), came back to play several more seasons?

Your right, this stuff is nothing.

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He probably wont be able to walk properly again, thats all. And by the way, these kinds of injuries Im pretty sure are far more frequent in Soccer than those you mentioned. Theres many videos on youtube showing hundreds of these injuries, and the picture I posted isnt so bad compared to others I've seen.

Painful enough??

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"] Now take into consideration actually playing the game, and the horrible injuries that come out of soccer, which none of those other sports come close to.

Samurai_Xavier

Can soccer injuries top Bryan Berard (who left part of his his eye on the ice after taking a stick blade to the face)? Or the Colorado player who took an admittedly illegal hit, and suffered a broken neck? How about Clint Malarchuk, whothis year who skated into a falling player's skate and suffered a severed jugular?

On top of that, how many soccer players suffer these "horrible injuries" and continue playing? Like Berard, who, after having parts of his eye replaced (and losing roughly 90% of the sight in that eye), came back to play several more seasons?

Your right, this stuff is nothing.

*da Silva's broken ankle*

He probably wont be able to walk properly again, thats all. And by the way, these kinds of injuries Im pretty sure are far more frequent in Soccer than those you mentioned. Theres many videos on youtube showing hundreds of these injuries, and the picture I posted isnt so bad compared to others I've seen.

Good enough for you?? More to come don't worry.

Ive seen pretty much similar injuries in soccer. You can stop, we dont need to turn this into a "what sport is more violent thread".

A lot of the pictures I can find don't show the actual injury but just the action that resulted in the injury. A guy on the Buffalo Bills became paralyzed after a nasty hit that broke his spine during one football game. Lucky for him it was able to heal and he is actualy walking again. I have seen numerous concusion, broken fingers, toes and a lot of broken collarbones and ribs in football. Happens nearly every game, especially broken fingers. I actually have two permanently messed up fingers because I broke them in football and did nothing about it. Only the Pu&*ys cry about broken/dislocated fingers. Our coach just poped them back into place for us so the trainer would never find out.

Ive seen pretty much similar injuries in soccer. You can stop, we dont need to turn this into a "what sport is more violent thread".

Samurai_Xavier