"Muslims Against Crusades" to disrupt Royal Wedding.

[QUOTE="Skarwolf"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Yeah man! We could have committed cultural genocide! Think of the possibilities! :roll:Tokugawa77

If anything Christians are to blame to for the problems in the middle east.

I get it. They are saying, "although the Crusades may have ended officially years ago...The battle is still ongoing and the British monarchy is a leader." Personally, I don't know what to say to this. I mean, it was the Church that started the Crusades and the troops were Germanic mercenaries. Maybe they're right. BranKetra

Their idiots.. Great Britian broke with the Catholic church in the 16th century.. They became hostile with Catholic states.. The Catholic Church under the Papacy is what called for the crusades.. There is no way in hell the royal family of today has nothing in common with monarchs like Richard the Lionheart.. Richard didn't even speak old english he spoke French!

Englands been colonized by Saxons, Normans and Franks, and vice versa. At one point English controlled almost half of what is now France. But like the previous guy said they probably considered themselves Frankish not English.

Most people focus on Henry's desire to divorce for creating his own church. The main reason was real estate and money. Once he kicked the Roman Catholics out he gained all the profit from those churches and whatever real estate they owned.

[QUOTE="Skarwolf"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Yeah man! We could have committed cultural genocide! Think of the possibilities! :roll:Tokugawa77

If anything Christians are to blame to for the problems in the middle east.

The current woes of the Middle East by foriegn infringement have little to nothing to do with Christianity.. They were for secular reasons of imperialism.. The only remotely religious based one you could make a partial argument was Great Britians support of a Jewish state.. But even then Zionism wasn't a religious movement so much as a secular labor movement.

Englands been colonized by Saxons, Normans and Franks, and vice versa. At one point English controlled almost half of what is now France. But like the previous guy said they probably considered themselves Frankish not English.

Most people focus on Henry's desire to divorce for creating his own church. The main reason was real estate and money. Once he kicked the Roman Catholics out he gained all the profit from those churches and whatever real estate they owned.

Skarwolf

Actually the main reason why he wanted a divorce is because of his brides being incapable of concieving a male child for the throne.

This is just idiotic, the royal family have no real religous or political value. markop2003

I think it's because they are opposed to Prince William and Prince Harry's military service. Although only Harry served in Afghanistan.

I know that but people think thats the only reason he wanted to split from the RCC.

When I took history years back our prof at the time showed a map of england at the time and all the land owned by the catholic church. It was a huge portion of the map. Once Henry took over it was all his Church property.

I know that but people think thats the only reason he wanted to split from the RCC.

When I took history years back our prof at the time showed a map of england at the time and all the land owned by the catholic church. It was a huge portion of the map. Once Henry took over it was all his Church property.

Skarwolf

Oh there is no doubt about that too, that was most certainly one of the reasons but it was really not the main reason.. And in the end he never had a son, and it went to Elizabeth.. Which the whole Spanish Armada saga came into being because of the Catholic states seeing her as a illigitmate ruler.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="Skarwolf"]

It's unfortunate that western Europe wasn't unified during the time of the Crusades we wouldn't be having these problems now.

Skarwolf

thats, ummmmm whats the word...hypocritical?

the only "crusade" now is more of a Jihad lol. "Oh but the Christians did them hundreds of years ago, so we should too" Nice, eye for an eye, stoop to their level, etc.

Free thought ? Lol

Most of the ideas they had were borrowed from the Chinese who they traded with.

[QUOTE="Skarwolf"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Yeah man! We could have committed cultural genocide! Think of the possibilities! :roll:HoolaHoopMan

funny how things have changed. One of the world's then-most-advanced cultures is now the most backwards, ignorant, and violent.

[QUOTE="Skarwolf"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Yeah man! We could have committed cultural genocide! Think of the possibilities! :roll:HoolaHoopMan

Yeah people don't realize that the Ottoman Empire in the 1500s to the end of the 1700s was one of the most powerful states in the world.. The Crusades also benefited Christians alot by returing Crusaders bringing teachings, written work, spices etc etc from the region that helped advance the place.. The fact of the matter is religion is merely a characteristic of the region, it is the not the factor that has changed it to what it is today.. Hell during the late 1800s, to mid 1900s.. Many of the Middle Eastern states were becoming secular as well as a growth in labor movements.

thats, ummmmm whats the word...hypocritical?

the only "crusade" now is more of a Jihad lol. "Oh but the Christians did them hundreds of years ago, so we should too" Nice, eye for an eye, stoop to their level, etc.

mrbojangles25

Well I suppose we could blame Bush Jr on this when he actually said they were going to commit to a crusade.. Clear facepalm moment.

Free thought ? Lol

Most of the ideas they had were borrowed from the Chinese who they traded with.

Skarwolf

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="Skarwolf"] No "we" wouldn't have. Western Europe would have. The result, Christian middle east and no problems.Skarwolf

If anything Christians are to blame to for the problems in the middle east.

Neither do 98% of Muslims.

Christians don't kill their daughters for becoming too much of something, or for dating someone they didn't arrange.

See above response

Christians don't react violently to questions regarding their faith.

See above

Christianity separated Church & State in the MEDIEVAL ERA, Islam has never progressed beyond that time period.

Learn your history. Religion was still influential in many governments until well into the 1800's...not like "christianity" is a ludicrously broad term or anything. Also, learn a bit about Turkey, which even though it is a secular state(trust me I think political Islam is evil as all hell) is predominately Muslim.

All the money in the middle east comes from Christians.

Utterly irrelevent, and untrue.

The only problem is that your dbag dictators don't invest into any infrastructure they pocket it all.

Christian dictators in Africa exist(ed).

The common people are poor, and uneducated so all they have is religion.

Like in America....the same people who tend to hate Muslims. Fancy that :)

I don't know why I waste time with bigots. It's a bad habit of mine :?

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

thats, ummmmm whats the word...hypocritical?

the only "crusade" now is more of a Jihad lol. "Oh but the Christians did them hundreds of years ago, so we should too" Nice, eye for an eye, stoop to their level, etc.

sSubZerOo

Well I suppose we could blame Bush Jr on this when he actually said they were going to commit to a crusade.. Clear facepalm moment.

touche lol

Are you implying that Europeans introduced Christianity to the Middle East?

How did you get that impression? I said thatChristians(those who practice christianity) not Christianity itself was responsible. Those who screwed up the middle east happened to be Christian, they were not motivated to preform the screwing by their religion. I made my earlier point to try to explain that Islam does not inherently lead to failed governments.

Christians don't teach the people in their masses to go blow themselves up and as a reward they'll goto heaven and get 13 virgins.

Christians don't kill their daughters for becoming too much of something, or for dating someone they didn't arrange.

Christians don't react violently to questions regarding their faith.

Christianity separated Church & State in the MEDIEVAL ERA, Islam has never progressed beyond that time period.

All the money in the middle east comes from Christians. The only problem is that your dbag dictators don't invest into any infrastructure they pocket it all. The common people are poor, and uneducated so all they have is religion.

There are extremist Muslims and extremist Christians. The only reason that there are slightly more Muslim extremists is because they have experienced first hand grivances at the hand of Christians, while Christain extremists base their bigotry solely on the fact that they were riased that way, in other words, they have no actual reason to be bigots. And what is with your point that Christians don't react violently towards those who question their faith? lol. regardless, there is a very small percentage of Muslims that are extremists. And what's with all this "your dictator" BS? I'm American. Why the hell would you think I am from some Middle eastern nation? Because I am trying to rebutt bigotry? Yeah uh no. In any case, the belief is in 72 virgins, not 13.

[QUOTE="Skarwolf"]

Free thought ? Lol

Most of the ideas they had were borrowed from the Chinese who they traded with.

HoolaHoopMan

Westerners like to think their civilization is superior to every other on earth. When settlers first set foot in Tenochtitlan it made the largest and most advanced European city look like a slum. It was more than twice the size of the largest European city, and they had advanced building andplumbing techniques, while Europeans were living in comparative filth. Then in walks Cortés and levels the city because it was built by an "inferior" culture. Groups like this Muslim one would be fewer and further between if westerners didn't have such an aggrandized opinion of themselves and gave credit where credit was due every once in a while. Hell, the Enlightenment might never have even happened were it not for the spread of ancient Greek and Roman works back from Middle Eastern countries.

I'm a muslim and what they're doing is clearly against Islam.

I plan to swing by on my flying carpet. Perhaps I'll see them there! :o

Interesting how they say "His best man is a Nazi". I thought Islamic morons like these approved of the Nazi regime since all they do is go around shouting death to Israel. It really is suprising to see how stupid these people are. They live in a first world country, have access to the same information that anyone else around the world has and should be able to make informed decisions yet instead "DERP DERP DEATH TO THE INFIDELS DERP DERP".

Kinda reminded me of Muslims Against Canines

(Not an official title)

I am a Muslim, and most of the Muslims i know are really really peaceful guys too. There are always a few troublemakers every where, but i agree there are a few more here, and hey, that doesn't mean you screw the good guys too does it?

And really, the first few posts offended me, seriously guys..stop hating. Learn the difference between extremists and Islam. Did you know any person said to kill another is said to have killed all of humanity, in Islam? And that it is considered the most serious of sins?

And to the guy saying we don't treat women equally, i do..and so do the other Muslims i know. It's just some of them fail to interpret what Islam wants us to do, and thus they form an extreme image. Women and men are equal, i say that while being a Muslim. Just because a few guys do it doesn't mean you highlight it and then blame each and every Muslim for it. Here, watch this too, it will hopefully clear up your misconceptions about the role and position of women in Islam.

Are you implying Europeans introduced Christianity to the Middle East?PS2_ROCKS

I got a good chuckle by this lol.

the crusades were fought on christian holy lands against an invading muslim army. how stupid do you have to be to make your whole organization based around that "atrocity".

omg you dirty christians! how dare you defend your holy lands!

lol @ not understanding history enough to name your radical goup anything that makes a bit of sense.

the crusades were fought on christian holy lands against an invading muslim army. how stupid do you have to be to make your whole organization based around that "atrocity".

omg you dirty christians! how dare you defend your holy lands!

lol @ not understanding history enough to name your radical goup anything that makes a bit of sense.

Riverwolf007

I feel like Islam promotes violence.

I feel like Islam promotes violence.

With-Hatred

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

I am a Muslim, and most of the Muslims i know are really really peaceful guys too. There are always a few troublemakers every where, but i agree there are a few more here, and hey, that doesn't mean you screw the good guys too does it?

And really, the first few posts offended me, seriously guys..stop hating. Learn the difference between extremists and Islam. Did you know any person said to kill another is said to have killed all of humanity, in Islam? And that it is considered the most serious of sins?

And to the guy saying we don't treat women equally, i do..and so do the other Muslims i know. It's just some of them fail to interpret what Islam wants us to do, and thus they form an extreme image. Women and men are equal, i say that while being a Muslim. Just because a few guys do it doesn't mean you highlight it and then blame each and every Muslim for it. Here, watch this too, it will hopefully clear up your misconceptions about the role and position of women in Islam.

phoenix-serpent

I do have a bit of an issue with the last part of your statement though. I don't doubt that many, many Muslims believe that men and women are equal. However, you seem to imply that Islamic nations as a whole treat their women basically the same as western nations. This is where I begin to disagree with you. Women being lashed (at times to death) and being stoned to death for "adultory" after being victims of rape are NOT isolated incidents. These kinds of sentences are handed out by the court system. They are condoned by the state. I'm sure there are a lot of citizens of many of these countries that aren't happy about it, but that doesn't change the facts. Women most definitely are treated poorly in the Islamic world as a whole (in my opinion).

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

the crusades were fought on christian holy lands against an invading muslim army. how stupid do you have to be to make your whole organization based around that "atrocity".

omg you dirty christians! how dare you defend your holy lands!

lol @ not understanding history enough to name your radical goup anything that makes a bit of sense.

phoenix-serpent

and does anyone want to join my protest group nazis against d-day? :lol:

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

I feel like Islam promotes violence.

DroidPhysX

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

[QUOTE="phoenix-serpent"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

the crusades were fought on christian holy lands against an invading muslim army. how stupid do you have to be to make your whole organization based around that "atrocity".

omg you dirty christians! how dare you defend your holy lands!

lol @ not understanding history enough to name your radical goup anything that makes a bit of sense.

Riverwolf007

and does anyone want to join my protest group nazis against d-day? :lol:

The christians were by not even the most mindnumbing stretch, the good guys.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="phoenix-serpent"] .With-Hatred

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"] YellowOneKinobi

It's a little late to be doing anything about the Crusades, don't you think?

Off topic, but "poppy burning"? Why is burning flowers so offensive?Darkwanderer000

Rememberance Day.

This is one thing that really gets on my nerves. Go and moan about it in your own country, by all means. Don't come to mine and start ranting about our beliefs, traditions, occasions... what have you. It's a group of people who've been starved of attention, giving the rest of their religion a bad name. Maybe this time, they'll get more than a fine... :roll:

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="phoenix-serpent"] LOL man .. pa-leez check out wikipedia or a history book. Muslims fought against the invading crusades, not vice versa. At the time, the holy lands were in Muslim possession..the Crusades were the invaders in this case. wow.With-Hatred

and does anyone want to join my protest group nazis against d-day? :lol:

The christians were by not even the most mindnumbing stretch, the good guys.

there were no good guys, just people manipulated by ignorence into believing a bunch of superstition and then killing over it.

y'know the same as it is today.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

I feel like Islam promotes violence.

With-Hatred

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

This is just idiotic, the royal family have no real religous or political value. markop2003

I am a Muslim, and most of the Muslims i know are really really peaceful guys too. There are always a few troublemakers every where, but i agree there are a few more here, and hey, that doesn't mean you screw the good guys too does it?

And really, the first few posts offended me, seriously guys..stop hating. Learn the difference between extremists and Islam. Did you know any person said to kill another is said to have killed all of humanity, in Islam? And that it is considered the most serious of sins?

And to the guy saying we don't treat women equally, i do..and so do the other Muslims i know. It's just some of them fail to interpret what Islam wants us to do, and thus they form an extreme image. Women and men are equal, i say that while being a Muslim. Just because a few guys do it doesn't mean you highlight it and then blame each and every Muslim for it. Here, watch this too, it will hopefully clear up your misconceptions about the role and position of women in Islam.

phoenix-serpent

I don't think they should be allowed, the wedding isn't political, its a national happy event.

[QUOTE="phoenix-serpent"]

I am a Muslim, and most of the Muslims i know are really really peaceful guys too. There are always a few troublemakers every where, but i agree there are a few more here, and hey, that doesn't mean you screw the good guys too does it?

And really, the first few posts offended me, seriously guys..stop hating. Learn the difference between extremists and Islam. Did you know any person said to kill another is said to have killed all of humanity, in Islam? And that it is considered the most serious of sins?

And to the guy saying we don't treat women equally, i do..and so do the other Muslims i know. It's just some of them fail to interpret what Islam wants us to do, and thus they form an extreme image. Women and men are equal, i say that while being a Muslim. Just because a few guys do it doesn't mean you highlight it and then blame each and every Muslim for it. Here, watch this too, it will hopefully clear up your misconceptions about the role and position of women in Islam.

YellowOneKinobi

I do have a bit of an issue with the last part of your statement though. I don't doubt that many, many Muslims believe that men and women are equal. However, you seem to imply that Islamic nations as a whole treat their women basically the same as western nations. This is where I begin to disagree with you. Women being lashed (at times to death) and being stoned to death for "adultory" after being victims of rape are NOT isolated incidents. These kinds of sentences are handed out by the court system. They are condoned by the state. I'm sure there are a lot of citizens of many of these countries that aren't happy about it, but that doesn't change the facts. Women most definitely are treated poorly in the Islamic world as a whole (in my opinion).

[QUOTE="phoenix-serpent"]

I am a Muslim, and most of the Muslims i know are really really peaceful guys too. There are always a few troublemakers every where, but i agree there are a few more here, and hey, that doesn't mean you screw the good guys too does it?

And really, the first few posts offended me, seriously guys..stop hating. Learn the difference between extremists and Islam. Did you know any person said to kill another is said to have killed all of humanity, in Islam? And that it is considered the most serious of sins?

And to the guy saying we don't treat women equally, i do..and so do the other Muslims i know. It's just some of them fail to interpret what Islam wants us to do, and thus they form an extreme image. Women and men are equal, i say that while being a Muslim. Just because a few guys do it doesn't mean you highlight it and then blame each and every Muslim for it. Here, watch this too, it will hopefully clear up your misconceptions about the role and position of women in Islam.

Hexagon_777

EDIT: Sorry LOL posted without typing anything.

Yeah i do not approve of those troublemakers..they are not few or insginifacnt anymore and such people can be declared non Muslims easily (really, study Islam and you'll find it promotes peace). These people are making the lives of people harder and giving Muslims a bad name and Islam a bad image. They offend me more than a few GS OTers do, because they are the source of all this. I just wished for the posters to understand that instead of hating on all, hate on the people who are doing this. They call themselves warriors in the name of Islam, when they are not. They are barbarians..criminals. Savages.

Hmm. A bunch of pissed off muslims that are NOT going to kill a bunch of innocents in order to assuage their anger.

Maybe there is hope........maybe.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="phoenix-serpent"] LOL man .. pa-leez check out wikipedia or a history book. Muslims fought against the invading crusades, not vice versa. At the time, the holy lands were in Muslim possession..the Crusades were the invaders in this case. wow.With-Hatred

and does anyone want to join my protest group nazis against d-day? :lol:

The christians were by not even the most mindnumbing stretch, the good guys.