"Muslims Against Crusades" to disrupt Royal Wedding.

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[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

I feel like Islam promotes violence.

With-Hatred

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

Your using extremists from poor, unstable countries of the world to plaster your view.. And than compare it to first world countries that are secular.. Its not the religion, its the followers.. IF Islam can only be followed through violence, you might as well tell all the Muslims in the US getting by peacefully that they are not true Muslims.. Afterall they clearly don't know their religion apparently.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

sSubZerOo

Your using extremists from poor, unstable countries of the world to plaster your view.. And than compare it to first world countries that are secular.. Its not the religion, its the followers.. IF Islam can only be followed through violence, you might as well tell all the Muslims in the US getting by peacefully that they are not true Muslims.. Afterall they clearly don't know their religion apparently.

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[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]The religion does, I don't see these levels of violence from christians for example.

LJS9502_basic

Your using extremists from poor, unstable countries of the world to plaster your view.. And than compare it to first world countries that are secular.. Its not the religion, its the followers.. IF Islam can only be followed through violence, you might as well tell all the Muslims in the US getting by peacefully that they are not true Muslims.. Afterall they clearly don't know their religion apparently.

Many have even within the Middle East :|.. How much more can you ask for? They do not represent these people and I don't see how they need to even have a statement on this to begin with.. I mean I don't see churches publically denouncing the WBP group.. Its just widely agreed secularly that they are complete jackasses.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Your using extremists from poor, unstable countries of the world to plaster your view.. And than compare it to first world countries that are secular.. Its not the religion, its the followers.. IF Islam can only be followed through violence, you might as well tell all the Muslims in the US getting by peacefully that they are not true Muslims.. Afterall they clearly don't know their religion apparently.

sSubZerOo

Many have even within the Middle East :|.. How much more can you ask for? They do not represent these people and I don't see how they need to even have a statement on this to begin with.. I mean I don't see churches publically denouncing the WBP group.. Its just widely agreed secularly that they are complete jackasses.

It's unfortunate that western Europe wasn't unified during the time of the Crusades we wouldn't be having these problems now.

Skarwolf

No. A unified Europe would have wiped out the Ottomans and dominated Jerusalem and the MIddle East anyway. There would probably be even bigger issues than there are now. Imagine the Turkey/Greece conflict, but on a massive scale... like Europe/Middle East.

If the muslims try to make a hate thing the English Royal supporters will destoy them.

I am Irish but i like the English Royal thing, its all very romantic. I hope the people shred them.

Westerners have limits also.

2 things - i love how they have Prince Harry on their website dressed in a Nazi uniform. Funny as hell.

and secondly... i've been reading people criticising Muslim states for fusing religion and state matters...

well.

isn't being christian almost essential to being elected in the U.S political sphere?

If the muslims try to make a hate thing the English Royal supporters will destoy them.

I am Irish but i like the English Royal thing, its all very romantic. I hope the people shred them.

Westerners have limits also.

tenaka2

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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"] YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

If the muslims try to make a hate thing the English Royal supporters will destoy them.

I am Irish but i like the English Royal thing, its all very romantic. I hope the people shred them.

Westerners have limits also.

lividitude

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It would be nice though if they stood up and denounced these extremists....LJS9502_basic

Many have even within the Middle East :|.. How much more can you ask for? They do not represent these people and I don't see how they need to even have a statement on this to begin with.. I mean I don't see churches publically denouncing the WBP group.. Its just widely agreed secularly that they are complete jackasses.

How is this at all the responsibility of the Islamic community within the United States? The only people responsible here are the ignorant ones that use broad stereotypes to demonize a people.. There have of course have been measures, but the fact of the matter is this.. The people who are making these accusations at the Islamic community don't want to listen..

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I am a Muslim, and most of the Muslims i know are really really peaceful guys too. There are always a few troublemakers every where, but i agree there are a few more here, and hey, that doesn't mean you screw the good guys too does it?

And really, the first few posts offended me, seriously guys..stop hating. Learn the difference between extremists and Islam. Did you know any person said to kill another is said to have killed all of humanity, in Islam? And that it is considered the most serious of sins?

And to the guy saying we don't treat women equally, i do..and so do the other Muslims i know. It's just some of them fail to interpret what Islam wants us to do, and thus they form an extreme image. Women and men are equal, i say that while being a Muslim. Just because a few guys do it doesn't mean you highlight it and then blame each and every Muslim for it. Here, watch this too, it will hopefully clear up your misconceptions about the role and position of women in Islam.

YellowOneKinobi

I do have a bit of an issue with the last part of your statement though. I don't doubt that many, many Muslims believe that men and women are equal. However, you seem to imply that Islamic nations as a whole treat their women basically the same as western nations. This is where I begin to disagree with you. Women being lashed (at times to death) and being stoned to death for "adultory" after being victims of rape are NOT isolated incidents.

What does that even have to do with Islam, just because ignorant Muslims are doing such actions doesn't mean that they are following Islam. Rather it's going against Islam because because someone who is commiting the crime in this case, rape would be punished.

They were carrying signs the other day reading "DEMOCRACY GO TO HELL!". If you WANT to live in a dictatorship, go to another country? :?Ninja-Hippo

I totally agree. I seriously think that UK has major issues with extremists Muslims. And talk about the hypocrisy of these Muslim extremists.

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[QUOTE="Skarwolf"] No "we" wouldn't have. Western Europe would have. The result, Christian middle east and no problems.Skarwolf

If anything Christians are to blame to for the problems in the middle east.

LMAO. What does this have even anything to do with Islam? All you are doing is pointing out the radical Muslims and leaving out the normal ones.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Many have even within the Middle East :|.. How much more can you ask for? They do not represent these people and I don't see how they need to even have a statement on this to begin with.. I mean I don't see churches publically denouncing the WBP group.. Its just widely agreed secularly that they are complete jackasses.

sSubZerOo

How is this at all the responsibility of the Islamic community within the United States? The only people responsible here are the ignorant ones that use broad stereotypes to demonize a people.. There have of course have been measures, but the fact of the matter is this.. The people who are making these accusations at the Islamic community don't want to listen..

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

brendanhunt1

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]how exactly do christians invade christian holy lands?

and does anyone want to join my protest group nazis against d-day? :lol:

LJS9502_basic

The christians were by not even the most mindnumbing stretch, the good guys.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

sSubZerOo

Your using extremists from poor, unstable countries of the world to plaster your view.. And than compare it to first world countries that are secular.. Its not the religion, its the followers.. IF Islam can only be followed through violence, you might as well tell all the Muslims in the US getting by peacefully that they are not true Muslims.. Afterall they clearly don't know their religion apparently.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

See 23 or 73.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="With-Hatred"]Uh...wow, u need to take history 101, Muslims controlled Jerusalem and the surrounding areas prior to the crusades. The Christians were the aggressors, the pope, going against religious texts, declared war on Muslims and said that anybody who kills in the name of god will be forgiven. So Naturally the crusaders raped and pillaged every innocent unassociated with the war on their way to Israel, and then brutally murdered tons of muslims not part of the muslim army upon arrival and during occupation, while muslims by contrast treated their prisoners, including soildiers very well.

The christians were by not even the most mindnumbing stretch, the good guys.

With-Hatred

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I get it. They are saying, "although the Crusades may have ended officially years ago...The battle is still ongoing and the British monarchy is a leader." Personally, I don't know what to say to this. I mean, it was the Church that started the Crusades and the troops were Germanic mercenaries. Maybe they're right. sSubZerOo

Their idiots.. Great Britian broke with the Catholic church in the 16th century.. They became hostile with Catholic states..Hostile? Haven't read about the renaissance period, yet. I need to learn more about that.

The Catholic Church under the Papacy is what called for the crusades.. That's what I heard, too.

There is no way in hell the royal family of today has nothing in common with monarchs like Richard the Lionheart.. Richard didn't even speak old english he spoke French! Do you mean, "there is no way the British royalty has anything in common with Richard the Lionheart?"

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I get it. They are saying, "although the Crusades may have ended officially years ago...The battle is still ongoing and the British monarchy is a leader." Personally, I don't know what to say to this. I mean, it was the Church that started the Crusades and the troops were Germanic mercenaries. Maybe they're right. BranKetra

Their idiots.. Great Britian broke with the Catholic church in the 16th century.. They became hostile with Catholic states..Hostile? Haven't read about the renaissance period, yet. I need to learn more about that.

The Catholic Church under the Papacy is what called for the crusades.. That's what I heard, too.

There is no way in hell the royal family of today has nothing in common with monarchs like Richard the Lionheart.. Richard didn't even speak old english he spoke French! Do you mean, "there is no way the British royalty has anything in common with Richard the Lionheart?"

Yeah if anything we could argue the current line are from a people that were AGAINST the Crusades seeing as it was put forward by the Papacy.

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[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]The religion does, I don't see these levels of violence from christians for example.

With-Hatred

Your using extremists from poor, unstable countries of the world to plaster your view.. And than compare it to first world countries that are secular.. Its not the religion, its the followers.. IF Islam can only be followed through violence, you might as well tell all the Muslims in the US getting by peacefully that they are not true Muslims.. Afterall they clearly don't know their religion apparently.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

See 23 or 73.

:| All holy books say questionable things or vague things.. It depends entirely who your talking for.. Fred Phelps of the WBP has a completely different view of the bible than the average Christian.. Who is right? Its open to interpretation.. In the end it doesn't matter what religion a person is, you judge them by their character.. And actually you should look at some of the Hindu extremists within India in their violence towards Pakistan (and vice versa).. So if we are going to suggest that you must follow all tenents must be followed within their book, than your basically saying the vaste majority of Muslim followers within the United States are not "true" Muslims.. Who are you to decide this.. The fact of the matter is if we look through out history, religion is merely a vehicle to which a select few pushes their views and ideas forward..

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Their idiots.. Great Britian broke with the Catholic church in the 16th century.. They became hostile with Catholic states..Hostile? Haven't read about the renaissance period, yet. I need to learn more about that.

The Catholic Church under the Papacy is what called for the crusades.. That's what I heard, too.

There is no way in hell the royal family of today has nothing in common with monarchs like Richard the Lionheart.. Richard didn't even speak old english he spoke French! Do you mean, "there is no way the British royalty has anything in common with Richard the Lionheart?"

sSubZerOo

Yeah if anything we could argue the current line are from a people that were AGAINST the Crusades seeing as it was put forward by the Papacy.

Then again, the royal family could make things easy and open their bloodline for public viewing. That is, if they haven't already.

Besides that, I don't know much about the actual people who were for the Crusades, besides what I mentioned.

:| All holy books say questionable things or vague things.. It depends entirely who your talking for.. Fred Phelps of the WBP has a completely different view of the bible than the average Christian.. Who is right? Its open to interpretation.. In the end it doesn't matter what religion a person is, you judge them by their character.. And actually you should look at some of the Hindu extremists within India in their violence towards Pakistan (and vice versa).. So if we are going to suggest that you must follow all tenents must be followed within their book, than your basically saying the vaste majority of Muslim followers within the United States are not "true" Muslims.. Who are you to decide this.. The fact of the matter is if we look through out history, religion is merely a vehicle to which a select few pushes their views and ideas forward..

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Your using extremists from poor, unstable countries of the world to plaster your view.. And than compare it to first world countries that are secular.. Its not the religion, its the followers.. IF Islam can only be followed through violence, you might as well tell all the Muslims in the US getting by peacefully that they are not true Muslims.. Afterall they clearly don't know their religion apparently.

sSubZerOo

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

See 23 or 73.

:| All holy books say questionable things or vague things.. It depends entirely who your talking for.. Fred Phelps of the WBP has a completely different view of the bible than the average Christian.. Who is right? Its open to interpretation.. In the end it doesn't matter what religion a person is, you judge them by their character.. And actually you should look at some of the Hindu extremists within India in their violence towards Pakistan (and vice versa).. So if we are going to suggest that you must follow all tenents must be followed within their book, than your basically saying the vaste majority of Muslim followers within the United States are not "true" Muslims.. Who are you to decide this.. The fact of the matter is if we look through out history, religion is merely a vehicle to which a select few pushes their views and ideas forward..

I don't know how these are vague or questionable, the seem pretty strait forward; "Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.)" 2:191-2 "Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." 4:89 And I'm sure that if I took the time to do more research I could find more quotes similar to those, I did find one saying that allah likes non-belivers to kill their children, and if nothing else, that's extremely disturbing. I am not at all surprised that Islam has promoted violence, and I think more people need to actually read the koran and come to relize that there is some incredibly disturbing stuff in there that makes the Old testiment look PG by comparison.

Some of the things said about Christians and jews are just horrible, I'm not a fan of Christianity, but at least there's nothing in the new testiment saying things like "hate Muslims" or "God will laugh in the face of Muslims when they die" 28:62-64 like in the Koran.

I think people get too caught up in Political correctness to actually be willing to look into the religion and see that there might be some serious issues in a religions beliefs.

They're Muslims. Here in OT, they're the best and can't do anything wrong.

But yeah, this is disgusting.

MobilechicaneX

Just scanning some of the responses in this thread for copypasta keeps redirecting me to the EDL site. Ugh, They're going to have a field day with this.

Ignorance on all sides, this quality unfortunately has always been one of humanities defining attributes....

These guys are as much representative of Muslims as the KKK are representative of Christians

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:| All holy books say questionable things or vague things.. It depends entirely who your talking for.. Fred Phelps of the WBP has a completely different view of the bible than the average Christian.. Who is right? Its open to interpretation.. In the end it doesn't matter what religion a person is, you judge them by their character.. And actually you should look at some of the Hindu extremists within India in their violence towards Pakistan (and vice versa).. So if we are going to suggest that you must follow all tenents must be followed within their book, than your basically saying the vaste majority of Muslim followers within the United States are not "true" Muslims.. Who are you to decide this.. The fact of the matter is if we look through out history, religion is merely a vehicle to which a select few pushes their views and ideas forward..

LJS9502_basic

If it weren't vague than there are certainly alot of people that seem to have the answers, answers that are completely different from one another.

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[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]I used to believe that, but why don't I see violcence from hindus on this scale? Or Buddhists? I can't believe some of the conditions I've seen in eastern developing countries, but at the same time, I don't see them attacking non belivers. It even says in the Koran to kill non belivers where ever u go.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

See 23 or 73.

With-Hatred

:| All holy books say questionable things or vague things.. It depends entirely who your talking for.. Fred Phelps of the WBP has a completely different view of the bible than the average Christian.. Who is right? Its open to interpretation.. In the end it doesn't matter what religion a person is, you judge them by their character.. And actually you should look at some of the Hindu extremists within India in their violence towards Pakistan (and vice versa).. So if we are going to suggest that you must follow all tenents must be followed within their book, than your basically saying the vaste majority of Muslim followers within the United States are not "true" Muslims.. Who are you to decide this.. The fact of the matter is if we look through out history, religion is merely a vehicle to which a select few pushes their views and ideas forward..

I don't know how these are vague or questionable, the seem pretty strait forward; "Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.)" 2:191-2 "Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." 4:89 And I'm sure that if I took the time to do more research I could find more quotes similar to those, I did find one saying that allah likes non-belivers to kill their children, and if nothing else, that's extremely disturbing. I am not at all surprised that Islam has promoted violence, and I think more people need to actually read the koran and come to relize that there is some incredibly disturbing stuff in there that makes the Old testiment look PG by comparison.

Some of the things said about Christians and jews are just horrible, I'm not a fan of Christianity, but at least there's nothing in the new testiment saying things like "hate Muslims" or "God will laugh in the face of Muslims when they die" 28:62-64 like in the Koran.

I think people get too caught up in Political correctness to actually be willing to look into the religion and see that there might be some serious issues in a religions beliefs.

because I don't base my views on any religion to what is written but how people practice it.. The fact of the matter is there is a way as seen in the United States where Islam can be practiced peacefully.. These people see murder as a sin.. Look at the people individually rather than stereotyping 1.4 billion people..

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| All holy books say questionable things or vague things.. It depends entirely who your talking for.. Fred Phelps of the WBP has a completely different view of the bible than the average Christian.. Who is right? Its open to interpretation.. In the end it doesn't matter what religion a person is, you judge them by their character.. And actually you should look at some of the Hindu extremists within India in their violence towards Pakistan (and vice versa).. So if we are going to suggest that you must follow all tenents must be followed within their book, than your basically saying the vaste majority of Muslim followers within the United States are not "true" Muslims.. Who are you to decide this.. The fact of the matter is if we look through out history, religion is merely a vehicle to which a select few pushes their views and ideas forward..

sSubZerOo

I don't know how these are vague or questionable, the seem pretty strait forward; "Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.)" 2:191-2 "Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." 4:89 And I'm sure that if I took the time to do more research I could find more quotes similar to those, I did find one saying that allah likes non-belivers to kill their children, and if nothing else, that's extremely disturbing. I am not at all surprised that Islam has promoted violence, and I think more people need to actually read the koran and come to relize that there is some incredibly disturbing stuff in there that makes the Old testiment look PG by comparison.

Some of the things said about Christians and jews are just horrible, I'm not a fan of Christianity, but at least there's nothing in the new testiment saying things like "hate Muslims" or "God will laugh in the face of Muslims when they die" 28:62-64 like in the Koran.

I think people get too caught up in Political correctness to actually be willing to look into the religion and see that there might be some serious issues in a religions beliefs.

because I don't base my views on any religion to what is written but how people practice it.. The fact of the matter is there is a way as seen in the United States where Islam can be practiced peacefully.. These people see murder as a sin.. Look at the people individually rather than stereotyping 1.4 billion people..

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| All holy books say questionable things or vague things.. It depends entirely who your talking for.. Fred Phelps of the WBP has a completely different view of the bible than the average Christian.. Who is right? Its open to interpretation.. In the end it doesn't matter what religion a person is, you judge them by their character.. And actually you should look at some of the Hindu extremists within India in their violence towards Pakistan (and vice versa).. So if we are going to suggest that you must follow all tenents must be followed within their book, than your basically saying the vaste majority of Muslim followers within the United States are not "true" Muslims.. Who are you to decide this.. The fact of the matter is if we look through out history, religion is merely a vehicle to which a select few pushes their views and ideas forward..

sSubZerOo

If it weren't vague than there are certainly alot of people that seem to have the answers, answers that are completely different from one another.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

I don't know how these are vague or questionable, the seem pretty strait forward; "Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.)" 2:191-2 "Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." 4:89 And I'm sure that if I took the time to do more research I could find more quotes similar to those, I did find one saying that allah likes non-belivers to kill their children, and if nothing else, that's extremely disturbing. I am not at all surprised that Islam has promoted violence, and I think more people need to actually read the koran and come to relize that there is some incredibly disturbing stuff in there that makes the Old testiment look PG by comparison.

Some of the things said about Christians and jews are just horrible, I'm not a fan of Christianity, but at least there's nothing in the new testiment saying things like "hate Muslims" or "God will laugh in the face of Muslims when they die" 28:62-64 like in the Koran.

I think people get too caught up in Political correctness to actually be willing to look into the religion and see that there might be some serious issues in a religions beliefs.

With-Hatred

because I don't base my views on any religion to what is written but how people practice it.. The fact of the matter is there is a way as seen in the United States where Islam can be practiced peacefully.. These people see murder as a sin.. Look at the people individually rather than stereotyping 1.4 billion people..

Your using third world countries with dictatorships as your evidence while completely ignoring places like Turkey, Egypt and the Muslims living within the United States.... Maybe you should read some history of the Middle East.. Because the religious extremism of today is a modern thing that really didn't exist anywhere to what it was during the early 1900s to 1950s.. Alot of it has to do with foriegn infringement (US, Great Britain, France, Russia) in specifically destroying any labor, socialist or nationalist movements going on.. Yet Islam was wpretty much left alone to permeat into bitter hate.. Iran is a poster child of this.

because I don't base my views on any religion to what is written but how people practice it..sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

because I don't base my views on any religion to what is written but how people practice it.. The fact of the matter is there is a way as seen in the United States where Islam can be practiced peacefully.. These people see murder as a sin.. Look at the people individually rather than stereotyping 1.4 billion people..

sSubZerOo

Your using third world countries with dictatorships as your evidence while completely ignoring places like Turkey, Egypt and the Muslims living within the United States.... Maybe you should read some history of the Middle East.. Because the religious extremism of today is a modern thing that really didn't exist anywhere to what it was during the early 1900s to 1950s.. Alot of it has to do with foriegn infringement (US, Great Britain, France, Russia) in specifically destroying any labor, socialist or nationalist movements going on.. Yet Islam was wpretty much left alone to permeat into bitter hate.. Iran is a poster child of this.

But, I look at other areas with other religions or dictatorships, (I'm thinking China could be an excellentexample of this), but I see no where near the degree of terrorism, or just general violence.

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[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

I'm not trying to say it's the people, maybe i've been misleading in what I'm saying. It's the religion I see at fault, not the people, and I do believe the Koran has some horrible horrible things in it, and I do belive it has produced some people that are violent in much higher rates than other religions.

With-Hatred

Your using third world countries with dictatorships as your evidence while completely ignoring places like Turkey, Egypt and the Muslims living within the United States.... Maybe you should read some history of the Middle East.. Because the religious extremism of today is a modern thing that really didn't exist anywhere to what it was during the early 1900s to 1950s.. Alot of it has to do with foriegn infringement (US, Great Britain, France, Russia) in specifically destroying any labor, socialist or nationalist movements going on.. Yet Islam was wpretty much left alone to permeat into bitter hate.. Iran is a poster child of this.

But, I look at other areas with other religions or dictatorships, (I'm thinking China could be an excellentexample of this), but I see no where near the degree of terrorism, or just general violence.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

I feel like Islam promotes violence.

DroidPhysX

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

Islam promotes violence. The Islamic religious book, the Qur'ran, directly encourages violence.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]I'm not trying to say it's the people, maybe i've been misleading in what I'm saying. It's the religion I see at fault, not the people, and I do believe the Koran has some horrible horrible things in it, and I do belive it has produced some people that are violent in much higher rates than other religions.

With-Hatred

Your using third world countries with dictatorships as your evidence while completely ignoring places like Turkey, Egypt and the Muslims living within the United States.... Maybe you should read some history of the Middle East.. Because the religious extremism of today is a modern thing that really didn't exist anywhere to what it was during the early 1900s to 1950s.. Alot of it has to do with foriegn infringement (US, Great Britain, France, Russia) in specifically destroying any labor, socialist or nationalist movements going on.. Yet Islam was wpretty much left alone to permeat into bitter hate.. Iran is a poster child of this.

But, I look at other areas with other religions or dictatorships, (I'm thinking China could be an excellentexample of this), but I see no where near the degree of terrorism, or just general violence.

This is infact incorrect.. Religious extremists did not take away everythign the Muslim coutnries had.. Poor leadership and the West is what did it.... Either you haven't been paying attention to this specific part of history or you didn't take it.. The West for a time in the past 110 years had direct or indirect control of the region.. Religious extremism is not a cause of this, its a effect of what has happened.. Take Iran for instance.. In the 1950s it was a country that had a popular elected president! Who was not a religious fanatic but a socialist who felt that the resources belonged to all of his people.. He nationalized the oil there.. Great Britiain and United States under MI6 and CIA conviently declared him a communist and had him removed.. Who did they put in his place? The Shah.. A corrupt, incompetent and brutal dictator that controlled the country to 1979... Than we look at countries like Saudi Arabia a brutal monarchy that is on life support that is pumping strong thanks to the oil addiction of the United States.. Through out this time the United States and puppet leaders like the Shah attacked the two supposed threats of power within the region.. The first is Arab nationalism that was headed by men like Nasser of Egypt.. The second was socialist labor movements.. What was left behind was increasingly frustrated people who went to the only place that was still left.. Religious leaders.. The Shah is a text book example of this, he only banished the head but didn't bother with the entire organization.. This is what led to the 1979 overthrow of the government.

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[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

I feel like Islam promotes violence.

Stunneronureyez

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

Islam promotes violence. The Islamic religious book, the Qur'ran, directly encourages violence.

Same could be said about the Bible. So, using logic, Christianity promotes violence.