"Muslims Against Crusades" to disrupt Royal Wedding.

This entire thread just helps me appreciate how great all the world religions are and how they make the world such a better place ! Really !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ph3JiEsJM4

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

DroidPhysX

Islam promotes violence. The Islamic religious book, the Qur'ran, directly encourages violence.

Same could be said about the Bible. So, using logic, Christianity promotes violence.

Thankfully Christian countries have adapted to make any such violence illegal, whereas in Islamic countries, laws are even built from what is said within the Qur'ran to endorse brutality, violence and murder.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

Islam promotes violence. The Islamic religious book, the Qur'ran, directly encourages violence.

Stunneronureyez

Same could be said about the Bible. So, using logic, Christianity promotes violence.

Thankfully Christian countries have adapted to make any such violence illegal, whereas in Islamic countries, laws are even built from what is said within the Qur'ran to endorse brutality, violence and murder.

You said the 'religion'. You didn't say anything about countries. Not only that, you said the 'Qur'ran', not any countries. You used a religious text as an example, and so did i.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

Islam promotes violence. The Islamic religious book, the Qur'ran, directly encourages violence.

Stunneronureyez

Same could be said about the Bible. So, using logic, Christianity promotes violence.

Thankfully Christian countries have adapted to make any such violence illegal, whereas in Islamic countries, laws are even built from what is said within the Qur'ran to endorse brutality, violence and murder.

:| What Christian countries are those? Because countries like the United States are not a Chrisitian country/government.. Its a SECULAR government/country..

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Same could be said about the Bible. So, using logic, Christianity promotes violence.

DroidPhysX

Thankfully Christian countries have adapted to make any such violence illegal, whereas in Islamic countries, laws are even built from what is said within the Qur'ran to endorse brutality, violence and murder.

You said the 'religion'. You didn't say anything about countries. Not only that, you said the 'Qur'ran', not any countries. You used a religious text as an example, and so did i.

Look you asked the question if Islam promotes violence or if a small number of people within the religion promote violence. I answered you that, yes, Islam, does promote violence which is true. Now I do not know why you brought up the Bible as it was irrelevant.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

Thankfully Christian countries have adapted to make any such violence illegal, whereas in Islamic countries, laws are even built from what is said within the Qur'ran to endorse brutality, violence and murder.

Stunneronureyez

You said the 'religion'. You didn't say anything about countries. Not only that, you said the 'Qur'ran', not any countries. You used a religious text as an example, and so did i.

Look you asked the question if Islam promotes violence or if a small number of people within the religion promote violence. I answered you that, yes, Islam, does promote violence which is true. Now I do not know why you brought up the Bible as it was irrelevant.

Where did 'countries' get into this conversation. I was talking about how both the Bible and Qur'ran promote violence...

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Same could be said about the Bible. So, using logic, Christianity promotes violence.

sSubZerOo

Thankfully Christian countries have adapted to make any such violence illegal, whereas in Islamic countries, laws are even built from what is said within the Qur'ran to endorse brutality, violence and murder.

:| What Christian countries are those? Because countries like the United States are not a Chrisitian country/government.. Its a SECULAR government/country..

I was mainly talking about England which is where I am from and is a Christian country.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

Thankfully Christian countries have adapted to make any such violence illegal, whereas in Islamic countries, laws are even built from what is said within the Qur'ran to endorse brutality, violence and murder.

Stunneronureyez

:| What Christian countries are those? Because countries like the United States are not a Chrisitian country/government.. Its a SECULAR government/country..

I was mainly talking about England which is where I am from and is a Christian country.

But its core tenents are from SECULAR ideas. Not Christian.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

Thankfully Christian countries have adapted to make any such violence illegal, whereas in Islamic countries, laws are even built from what is said within the Qur'ran to endorse brutality, violence and murder.

Stunneronureyez

:| What Christian countries are those? Because countries like the United States are not a Chrisitian country/government.. Its a SECULAR government/country..

I was mainly talking about England which is where I am from and is a Christian country.

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

You said the 'religion'. You didn't say anything about countries. Not only that, you said the 'Qur'ran', not any countries. You used a religious text as an example, and so did i.

DroidPhysX

Look you asked the question if Islam promotes violence or if a small number of people within the religion promote violence. I answered you that, yes, Islam, does promote violence which is true. Now I do not know why you brought up the Bible as it was irrelevant.

Where did 'countries' get into this conversation. I was talking about how both the Bible and Qur'ran promote violence...

It was to make the point that despite the fact that the Bible also promotes violence, the countries which are under Christianity have illegalised any morally and or/socially unacceptable radical actions that it condones. That is not the same with Islamic countries.

But anyway the fact is that you asked a question and I answered it. I do not see why you decided to bring the Bible into it.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

Look you asked the question if Islam promotes violence or if a small number of people within the religion promote violence. I answered you that, yes, Islam, does promote violence which is true. Now I do not know why you brought up the Bible as it was irrelevant.

Stunneronureyez

Where did 'countries' get into this conversation. I was talking about how both the Bible and Qur'ran promote violence...

It was to make the point that despite the fact that the Bible also promotes violence, the countries which are under Christianity have illegalised any morally and or/socially unacceptable radical actions that it condones. That is not the same with Islamic countries.

But anyway the fact is that you asked a question and I answered it. I do not see why you decided to bring the Bible into it.

Dude, religious texts =/= countries.

I am exclusively talking about religous texts promoting violence. Not countries.

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| What Christian countries are those? Because countries like the United States are not a Chrisitian country/government.. Its a SECULAR government/country..

sSubZerOo

I was mainly talking about England which is where I am from and is a Christian country.

But its core tenents are from SECULAR ideas. Not Christian.

It is still officially a Christian country. At least as long as it has a monarch which, ironically, is the reason that this topic has been created.

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| What Christian countries are those? Because countries like the United States are not a Chrisitian country/government.. Its a SECULAR government/country..

toast_burner

I was mainly talking about England which is where I am from and is a Christian country.

Yes, really. Also, not every Christian goes to Church.

Not really. Its not run by a Christian goverment and only 10% of the population attend churchtoast_burner

The laws and attitudes of the land are predominantly based on Christianity, even if most of us don't follow the Bible. The head of state is the head of the church and the Church has its own representatives in Parliament.

While policy is often non-denominational these days (but it usually is, anyway), some politicians (including the current and previous two Prime Ministers) still include Christianity in their lives to some degree.

Sometimes belief is not required, just tradition.

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Where did 'countries' get into this conversation. I was talking about how both the Bible and Qur'ran promote violence...

DroidPhysX

It was to make the point that despite the fact that the Bible also promotes violence, the countries which are under Christianity have illegalised any morally and or/socially unacceptable radical actions that it condones. That is not the same with Islamic countries.

But anyway the fact is that you asked a question and I answered it. I do not see why you decided to bring the Bible into it.

Dude, religious texts =/= countries.

I am exclusively talking about religous texts promoting violence. Not countries.

Ok I'll talk about what you want to talk about.

Does Islam promote violence? Yes it does, which is clearly stated within the Qur'ran.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

It was to make the point that despite the fact that the Bible also promotes violence, the countries which are under Christianity have illegalised any morally and or/socially unacceptable radical actions that it condones. That is not the same with Islamic countries.

But anyway the fact is that you asked a question and I answered it. I do not see why you decided to bring the Bible into it.

Stunneronureyez

Dude, religious texts =/= countries.

I am exclusively talking about religous texts promoting violence. Not countries.

Ok I'll talk about what you want to talk about.

Does Islam promote violence? Yes it does, which is clearly stated within the Qur'ran.

Does Christianity promote violence? Yes it does, which is clearly stated within the Bible.

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Dude, religious texts =/= countries.

I am exclusively talking about religous texts promoting violence. Not countries.

DroidPhysX

Ok I'll talk about what you want to talk about.

Does Islam promote violence? Yes it does, which is clearly stated within the Qur'ran.

Does Christianity promote violence? Yes it does, which is clearly stated within the Bible.

Exactly what I was talking about. What does that reply have to do with what I said?

[QUOTE="Stunneronureyez"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Does the religion promote violence or do a small number of people within the religion promote violence?

DroidPhysX

Islam promotes violence. The Islamic religious book, the Qur'ran, directly encourages violence.

Same could be said about the Bible. So, using logic, Christianity promotes violence.

This is just idiotic, the royal family have no real religous or political value. markop2003

This is just idiotic, the royal family have no real religous or political value. markop2003

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Your using third world countries with dictatorships as your evidence while completely ignoring places like Turkey, Egypt and the Muslims living within the United States.... Maybe you should read some history of the Middle East.. Because the religious extremism of today is a modern thing that really didn't exist anywhere to what it was during the early 1900s to 1950s.. Alot of it has to do with foriegn infringement (US, Great Britain, France, Russia) in specifically destroying any labor, socialist or nationalist movements going on.. Yet Islam was wpretty much left alone to permeat into bitter hate.. Iran is a poster child of this.

sSubZerOo

But, I look at other areas with other religions or dictatorships, (I'm thinking China could be an excellentexample of this), but I see no where near the degree of terrorism, or just general violence.

This is infact incorrect.. Religious extremists did not take away everythign the Muslim coutnries had.. Poor leadership and the West is what did it.... Either you haven't been paying attention to this specific part of history or you didn't take it.. The West for a time in the past 110 years had direct or indirect control of the region.. Religious extremism is not a cause of this, its a effect of what has happened.. Take Iran for instance.. In the 1950s it was a country that had a popular elected president! Who was not a religious fanatic but a socialist who felt that the resources belonged to all of his people.. He nationalized the oil there.. Great Britiain and United States under MI6 and CIA conviently declared him a communist and had him removed.. Who did they put in his place? The Shah.. A corrupt, incompetent and brutal dictator that controlled the country to 1979... Than we look at countries like Saudi Arabia a brutal monarchy that is on life support that is pumping strong thanks to the oil addiction of the United States.. Through out this time the United States and puppet leaders like the Shah attacked the two supposed threats of power within the region.. The first is Arab nationalism that was headed by men like Nasser of Egypt.. The second was socialist labor movements.. What was left behind was increasingly frustrated people who went to the only place that was still left.. Religious leaders.. The Shah is a text book example of this, he only banished the head but didn't bother with the entire organization.. This is what led to the 1979 overthrow of the government.

Why would burning poppies be so offensive? They're just flowers; or is that some kind of British slang I don't know about?

Sucks for normal muslims.xTheExploited

Why would burning poppies be so offensive? They're just flowers; or is that some kind of British slang I don't know about?

Darkwanderer000

Poppies are used to commemorate and show a sign of remembrance for those who died in the World Wars. It's very disrespectful.