Why do you then need law for preventing crime?
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You are quite the religious debator :D. Good question. I love how ambitious you are, despite our difference of beliefs. Bravo.Why do you then need law for preventing crime?
Vagal_Fiddle_6
Most of our basic laws are based around religious morals. I'm an atheist, but I recognize that a significant benefit of religion is that it teaches morals (in some cases).
[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Are all criminals atheist?Why do you then need law for preventing crime?
MrPraline
Ha, ever heard of 9/11?
And yet we dont need God for morals? Nope. For example, if it weren't illegal to murder people I still wouldn't murder someone, in the same manner that if I wouldn't go to hell if I murdered someone I still wouldn't murder someone. I don't murder people because I find it to be sickening, not because I am afraid of life in prison/capital punishment or an eternity in hell.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Because there are immoral people in the world?Vagal_Fiddle_6
And yet we dont need God for morals?Correct, we don't. Do you actually intend to get to a point?[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Because there are immoral people in the world?Vagal_Fiddle_6
Are all criminals atheist?[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]
Why do you then need law for preventing crime?
bangell99
Ha, ever heard of 9/11?
I guess you misunderstood. The OP would only make sense if all criminals are atheist (the ones saying we don't need God for morals).Are all criminals atheist?Yes I am pretty sure.Your whole argument is now invalid.[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]
Why do you then need law for preventing crime?
Vagal_Fiddle_6
Are all criminals atheist?Yes I am pretty sure.[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]
Why do you then need law for preventing crime?
Vagal_Fiddle_6
The majority of criminals currently being held in prison believe in god, I dont know the presentage but it is less than 10% atheist.
And yet we dont need God for morals? What does god have anything to do with this? Alot of things are pretty common sense.. Such as murder.. Why? Because if we didn't have laws and protections against it, we would feel unsafe with our nieghbors..[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Because there are immoral people in the world?Vagal_Fiddle_6
Are all criminals atheist?Yes I am pretty sure. uhmmm... :|[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]
Why do you then need law for preventing crime?
Vagal_Fiddle_6
And yet we dont need God for morals? Nope. For example, if it weren't illegal to murder people I still wouldn't murder someone, in the same manner that if I wouldn't go to hell if I murdered someone I still wouldn't murder someone. I don't murder people because I find it to be sickening, not because I am afraid of life in prison/capital punishment or an eternity in hell.What about someone who doesnt have a problem with let's say raping a women? He should just go-on with it and do it with a well planned move that would save him from the police?[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Because there are immoral people in the world?-Sun_Tzu-
Are all criminals atheist?Yes I am pretty sure.Thread can end now.[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]
Why do you then need law for preventing crime?
Vagal_Fiddle_6
And yet we dont need God for morals? Nope.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Because there are immoral people in the world?Vagal_Fiddle_6
Nope. For example, if it weren't illegal to murder people I still wouldn't murder someone, in the same manner that if I wouldn't go to hell if I murdered someone I still wouldn't murder someone. I don't murder people because I find it to be sickening, not because I am afraid of life in prison/capital punishment or an eternity in hell.What about someone who doesnt have a problem with let's say raping a women? He should just go-on with it and do it with a well planned move that would save him from the police?No, becuase it would be immoral.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]And yet we dont need God for morals?
Vagal_Fiddle_6
Are all criminals atheist?Yes I am pretty sure.[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]
Why do you then need law for preventing crime?
Vagal_Fiddle_6
Which is completely nieve and ridiculous.. Only a few hundred years ago, the religious outlook in life was the ONLY outlook..
Yes I am pretty sure.[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Are all criminals atheist?Ingenemployee
TH emajority of criminals currently being held in prison believe in god, I dont know the presentage but it is less than 10% atheist.
They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]What about someone who doesnt have a problem with let's say raping a women? He should just go-on with it and do it with a well planned move that would save him from the police? In that scenario then there SHOULD be eternal punishment, but that doesn't mean that there IS eternal punishment.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Nope. For example, if it weren't illegal to murder people I still wouldn't murder someone, in the same manner that if I wouldn't go to hell if I murdered someone I still wouldn't murder someone. I don't murder people because I find it to be sickening, not because I am afraid of life in prison/capital punishment or an eternity in hell.
-Sun_Tzu-
Who are we to make such judgements on a person? Our justice system is about keeping order and harmony.. Not retribution.
Are all criminals atheist?Yes I am pretty sure.[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]
Why do you then need law for preventing crime?
Vagal_Fiddle_6
Joke thread FTW
Because nothing is perfect. And society is not perfect. One of society's main causes is the harmonic co-existence of people, through education and societal forms (family etc etc - excuse my terminology, I dont which words are more suitable).
But as it is expectable in my opinion those forms are not perfect themselves, thus not all people are raised morally and/or the forms in which they were raised failed to make sure of that. This is where the law comes as a last "defense", not so much to educate, but to protect the rest from the "immorals" who had the bad luck in not being raised morally.
Also the law is a more "final"/strict guideline, because it has to ensure peace among thousands of people.
We do not need God for morals, because basically every moral guideline proposed by a religion may be depicted as if it is dictated by a god, but essentially its also common sense thinking in most cases. Now to the question that arises ("if it is common sense then why do people commit crimes") : Criminals do know that what they do is wrong thus it is obvious that they act on impulsive thinking and emotions and not logic.
PS: In my opinion
So what you're saying is that someone should pretend to believe in something even if they don't actually believe in it because there would be utility in it if everyone genuinely did believe in it? I don't follow. Deliberate self-deception is a pretty difficult trick to pull off. SpaceMooseNop that was not the point.
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Yes I am pretty sure.
Vagal_Fiddle_6
TH emajority of criminals currently being held in prison believe in god, I dont know the presentage but it is less than 10% atheist.
They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.Prove it.[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Yes I am pretty sure.
Vagal_Fiddle_6
TH emajority of criminals currently being held in prison believe in god, I dont know the presentage but it is less than 10% atheist.
They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.Some of the greatest religious leaders through out history have committed some of the greatest crimes in the name of fanaticism to their god..
Yes I am pretty sure.[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Are all criminals atheist?Trelaf_TheWise
Joke thread FTW
If only :([QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Yes I am pretty sure.
Vagal_Fiddle_6
TH emajority of criminals currently being held in prison believe in god, I dont know the presentage but it is less than 10% atheist.
They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.it doesn't work that way sunshine. I bet those hijackers couldn't wait to meet Allah
Is that your arguement? Well God is not to law as to what morals are criminality. I have morals but no God, for example. Fail.clembo1990
No kidding, only less than 200 years ago was slavery considered morally acceptable, men like Calhoun (spelling?) even suggested that the Bible justified that it was morally correct.
[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]What about someone who doesnt have a problem with let's say raping a women? He should just go-on with it and do it with a well planned move that would save him from the police?No, becuase it would be immoral.Why is it? What is "immoral"? He just looks at the women as a beautifully crafted skin and he wants to enjoy it, why not?[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Nope. For example, if it weren't illegal to murder people I still wouldn't murder someone, in the same manner that if I wouldn't go to hell if I murdered someone I still wouldn't murder someone. I don't murder people because I find it to be sickening, not because I am afraid of life in prison/capital punishment or an eternity in hell.
Funky_Llama
Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?
Nope. For example, if it weren't illegal to murder people I still wouldn't murder someone, in the same manner that if I wouldn't go to hell if I murdered someone I still wouldn't murder someone. I don't murder people because I find it to be sickening, not because I am afraid of life in prison/capital punishment or an eternity in hell.What about someone who doesnt have a problem with let's say raping a women? He should just go-on with it and do it with a well planned move that would save him from the police? No he should not. That would be immoral.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]And yet we dont need God for morals?
Vagal_Fiddle_6
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