"Why Does A Loving God Send People To Hell?" - video

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="simomate"]There's a serious misunderstanding of what hell is suppose to be. When we die we dont instantly go to hell or heaven... we die... we rot.... then we're supposed to brought back to life when Jesus returns and he then judges us. If we deserve it we are given eternal life and if not.... we go to hell which incidental means: grave... so basically eternal death. This comes from the bible... 'nuff said.ultimameteora

why does a loving surreal not date fat/ugly chicks? could it be that loving surreal has standards as to whom he would prefer to be around, and that this discerning nature does not detract from his loving ways?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Taking the eternal torment interpretation, or the conversation is without meaning. If the individual chooses the scenario, every soul would choose a pleasant scenario. If a joyful scenario is not an option, than you describe a false choice and my original point is unchanged.dsmccracken

i apreciate it but im good.i belive my life is better now (i used to be a christian).i do belive the possibility of some sort of god (not the christian god) is possible,but i'd rather go with science. i think ( and i think is proven) that we belive in this higher being just because we,as humans,cannot belive the fact that theres something too complex for us tu understand,so our answer to this is "god".don't quote me on this though.darx55

That's a very good question.

as always much confusion surrounding these type of topics because the people involved of them don't know better.UniverseIX

christianity and god were made up as a way to control the masses. think about it:

"there's a man in the sky that created everything we see, he knows everything, and he has the power to do anything. but nobody has ever seen him, and there's no proof of his existence. but if you don't believe in him, you'll burn in hell for eternity, so it's best to just do what we say, because we know how to get you into heaven. so just do what we say and everything will be alright."

it baffles me how people believe this stuff. it makes absolutely NO sense to believe in something that there is literally no evidence for.

I think the better question is, "Why does a holy God give a single person any grace at all?" If God truly is infinitely good then who are we to claim that we are good and worthy enough to be partakers of God's grace? That God even gives us the breath of life is an act of his grace and kindness. We all deserve nothing but damnation. However, God being a gracious God has made a way out of hell despite ourselves. And no, I do not believe I have a low view of humanity. However, our worth is not defined by our inherent goodness but by God's grace lavished upon us.mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]I think the better question is, "Why does a holy God give a single person any grace at all?" If God truly is infinitely good then who are we to claim that we are good and worthy enough to be partakers of God's grace? That God even gives us the breath of life is an act of his grace and kindness. We all deserve nothing but damnation. However, God being a gracious God has made a way out of hell despite ourselves. And no, I do not believe I have a low view of humanity. However, our worth is not defined by our inherent goodness but by God's grace lavished upon us.needled24-7

christianity and god were made up as a way to control the masses. think about it:

"there's a man in the sky that created everything we see, he knows everything, and he has the power to do anything. but nobody has ever seen him, and there's no proof of his existence. but if you don't believe in him, you'll burn in hell for eternity, so it's best to just do what we say, because we know how to get you into heaven. so just do what we say and everything will be alright."

it baffles me how people believe this stuff. it makes absolutely NO sense to believe in something that there is literally no evidence for.

needled24-7

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]I think the better question is, "Why does a holy God give a single person any grace at all?" If God truly is infinitely good then who are we to claim that we are good and worthy enough to be partakers of God's grace? That God even gives us the breath of life is an act of his grace and kindness. We all deserve nothing but damnation. However, God being a gracious God has made a way out of hell despite ourselves. And no, I do not believe I have a low view of humanity. However, our worth is not defined by our inherent goodness but by God's grace lavished upon us.mindstorm

sounds like he's saying "if you're not with me, you're against me."

needled24-7

Practically speaking, many within the Western church today do not hold to his view. With a major American church movement those who are outside of the church are referred to as "seekers." However, we are not simply spiritual seekers but we are all by nature and by instinct enemies of God. Only by God's grace are we adopted to become sons of God.

Also of note, according to Star Wars Episode III I would be worthy of being Sith for thinking "If you're not with me, you're against me." (However, we are all against God. I am not arguing for a we vs. them mentality. We all need Jesus, not simply the unbeliever.)

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]sounds like he's saying "if you're not with me, you're against me."

mindstorm

Practically speaking, many within the Western church today do not hold to his view. With a major American church movement those who are outside of the church are referred to as "seekers." However, we are not simply spiritual seekers but we are all by nature and by instinct enemies of God. Only by God's grace are we adopted to become sons of God.

you send your self to hell with your own evil deeds. People see them selfs as good by their standards and expect to get into heaven just on that. If you end up in hell its your fault no one els. Its like a rubber in jail blaming the government for putting him there.

I just find it amazing that in 2011, people seriously still believe in fairytales about a magical sky wizard. God is no more real than Santa or the Tooth Fairy.

God is stupid. The whole afterlife thing is stupid. The Bible is just a badly translated collection of myths from 2000 years ago that has no relevance to modern life. Why do people believe in this crap? Religion is just a scam to control and take money from weak minded people.

I actually think guys like L Ron Hubbard and Joseph Smith are pretty awesome, because they knew religion was a scam and used it to make a lot of money from dumbasses.

danrowe16

st nick was a real person

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]sounds like he's saying "if you're not with me, you're against me."

needled24-7

Practically speaking, many within the Western church today do not hold to his view. With a major American church movement those who are outside of the church are referred to as "seekers." However, we are not simply spiritual seekers but we are all by nature and by instinct enemies of God. Only by God's grace are we adopted to become sons of God.

I am God, I dare you to try and prove me wrong

I am God, I dare you to try and prove me wrong

supras989

[QUOTE="supras989"]

I am God, I dare you to try and prove me wrong

Nuck81

God doesn't do anything because he doesn't exist.

People tell other people that they'll go to Hell so that they'll do what they're told.

I don't know, man. But it's pretty badass.

God doesn't do anything because he doesn't exist.

People tell other people that they'll go to Hell so that they'll do what they're told.

-TheSecondSign-

God doesn't do anything because he doesn't exist.

People tell other people that they'll go to Hell so that they'll do what they're told.

God doesn't do anything because he doesn't exist.

People tell other people that they'll go to Hell so that they'll do what they're told.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Krazykid3333"]

God does not send people to hell. People choose to go hell. God gives sinners many many chances to stop there sinning ways. But if you continue to live in a sinful life than it's your choice not God's. The punshiment for sin is death. And hell is eternal death.

LJS9502_basic

God
Loving

Pick one.

Seems legit.Am_Confucius

Oh man did that make me laugh hard. Bravo!

I think the better question is, "Why does a holy God give a single person any grace at all?" If God truly is infinitely good then who are we to claim that we are good and worthy enough to be partakers of God's grace? That God even gives us the breath of life is an act of his grace and kindness. We all deserve nothing but damnation. However, God being a gracious God has made a way out of hell despite ourselves. And no, I do not believe I have a low view of humanity. However, our worth is not defined by our inherent goodness but by God's grace lavished upon us.mindstorm

I don't think him giving us life under the condition that we abide by what he says to be an act of grace and kindness. It's servitude, plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. In fact, to be born into a life where we have NO POSSIBLE WAY of determining the truth about His existence, and have only faith to place it in but will be burned in agony for all eternity if we don't believe, given our own "free will", is flat out cruel.

According to various denominations there is nobody in Hell - besides of course the Devil..

Everyone is in "paradise" awaiting Judgement Day... but - people dying is God's way of reminding that he is there.

Not what I believe, exactly, but take it as it is. That's what the majority of Christians believe.

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Maybe he does cleanse everyone of sin in the end and allows them into heaven but he doesn't tell us to instill a sense of accountability.

In that case, God is a liar.

THE_DRUGGIE

Lol, that's certainly a possibility. There's no way to know for sure unless you've experienced death for yourself. And since none of us have, this is a pointless argument to begin. I would say that he most likely doesn't and that we are, in fact accountable for our actions.

Then God is capable of hatred.

Lol, that isn't what we were arguing about.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

Lol, that's certainly a possibility. There's no way to know for sure unless you've experienced death for yourself. And since none of us have, this is a pointless argument to begin. I would say that he most likely doesn't and that we are, in fact accountable for our actions.

PS2_ROCKS

Then God is capable of hatred.

I would imagine he hates the devil.

Devil didn't get there on its own...tocool340

So? It's still what he did himself.

[QUOTE="curono"]MirkoS77

I get where you're coming from, let me share what I believe.

Imagine if a person insults a judge in the courthouse, what would this felon get? Caned and thrown behind bars, most likely. Now, contrast this to God, The Judge, when His creation (in fact, everyone sinned against Him) sins against The Creator. The gravity of the offense, I simply can't fathom. (Sin is acting or exalting something not of God).

Now, we established that a God could have every reason to send a person to an eternity in suffering, but how about a loving God?

Yes, I believe He can.

Let's come back to the felon and the judge, let's assume the judge offers to extend grace, to cover up the incident and pretend it did not happen at all. This jury could do all that, but if the felon rejects his invitation, can you blame the judge for not extending love and mercy?

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Another point, even if God gave everyone a perfect environment, a literal heaven, so to speak for all of us to live in. I can guarentee that not everyone would love a loving God. In fact, people would still hate Him. If you believe the Bible, the fallen angel banded together with 1/3 of the angelic hosts to rebel against God.

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I realise that I answered only some of the aspects to the question. Still, hope that helped.

[QUOTE="tocool340"]Devil didn't get there on its own...gaming25

So? It's still what he did himself.

I don't know why (no one knows how the mind of God really works) but if he does then this God is simply a dickhead or a maniac or both.

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"]Devil didn't get there on its own...tocool340

So? It's still what he did himself.

God didn't create the devil. He created Lucifer, Lucifer loved god so much he wanted to be him and he didn't want to serve humanity. Then god casted him down and he became the Devil and corrupted angels became demons. So god didn't directly create the Devil. I'm not religious though so correct me if I'm wrong.

I have trouble understanding how a creation of god can be powerful enough to oppose him though.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="gaming25"]

So? It's still what he did himself.

Pikdum

God didn't create the devil. He created Lucifer, Lucifer loved god so much he wanted to be him and he didn't want to serve humanity. Then god casted him down and he became the Devil and corrupted angels became demons. So god didn't directly create the Devil. I'm not religious though so correct me if I'm wrong.

I have trouble understanding how a creation of god can be powerful enough to oppose him though.