Rand Paul calls Obama corrupt, irresponsible; 50% Americans want Obama impeached

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Natural medicines like cannibus for starters, but also many herbs and fungus have demonstratable positive effects and they have been consistantly stonewalled by the FDA. Pill companies seem to get pills fast tracked through the testing process even though they have horrid side effects that are sometimes worse then the problem they were designed to treat.

Yusuke420

Ok you go see the witch doctor and i'll keep taking my pills.

That's just not true

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job. 

Laihendi

so you want to shut down the department meant to oversee the safety of food and drugs? And leave safety up to who? the corporations? And what "natural medicines"?

I had no idea the FDA had so many supporters, I thought people were conserned about the massive growth of the pill industry and it's never ending roll out of harsher and harsher drugs. I guess I was wrong...

Yusuke420

Over prescribing is bad, but that does not mean to dissolve the FDA. Perhaps restructure, pass legislation to deal with the issue.

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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Ok you go see the witch doctor and i'll keep taking my pills.

lostrib

That's just not true

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job. 

Laihendi

so you want to shut down the department meant to oversee the safety of food and drugs? And leave safety up to who? the corporations? And what "natural medicines"?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Do as you wish, but know you don't need pills to lead a healthy life :D...

Yusuke420

That's just not true

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job. 

Laihendi

so you want to shut down the department meant to oversee the safety of food and drugs? And leave safety up to who? the corporations? And what "natural medicines"?

Uh huh...:roll:

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I had no idea the FDA had so many supporters, I thought people were conserned about the massive growth of the pill industry and it's never ending roll out of harsher and harsher drugs. I guess I was wrong...

lostrib

Over prescribing is bad, but that does not mean to dissolve the FDA. Perhaps restructure, pass legislation to deal with the issue.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Do as you wish, but know you don't need pills to lead a healthy life :D...

Yusuke420

That's just not true

Okay, that doesn't make it true 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job.

Laihendi

so you want to shut down the department meant to oversee the safety of food and drugs? And leave safety up to who? the corporations? And what "natural medicines"?

There is no need for propaganda in a technate.

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

That's just not true

Person0

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I had no idea the FDA had so many supporters, I thought people were conserned about the massive growth of the pill industry and it's never ending roll out of harsher and harsher drugs. I guess I was wrong...

Yusuke420

Over prescribing is bad, but that does not mean to dissolve the FDA. Perhaps restructure, pass legislation to deal with the issue.

Just restructure the same organization, and legislate it. Rather than having to create a whole new organization

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Sure it is, I don't take any pills and I am fine, slightly overwieght, but healthy nonetheless...

Yusuke420

and then you will probably die

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

FDR expanded the federal government more than anyone before, he put in place a quasi-technocratic cabnet and he efficiently handeled ww2.

He is the best a democracy can hope for.

frannkzappa

the US constitution was a joke, written by idiots,oligarchs and agrarians.

A constitution would only serve to hinder a technocratic government.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Sure it is, I don't take any pills and I am fine, slightly overwieght, but healthy nonetheless...

Yusuke420

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[QUOTE="Person0"] Go get some deadly disease and see how no pills works out for you.lostrib

and then you will probably die

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] I try to avoid that, but if it does happen I'll be open to other therapy options other then taking drugs. 

Yusuke420

and then you will probably die

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Do as you wish, but know you don't need pills to lead a healthy life :D...

Yusuke420

That's just not true

You are young and healthy.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

ugh, it's just an endless stream of extremest bullshyt these days isn't it?

welcome to the future.

r.i.p. moderates.

i miss you.

Ace6301

As for me I fully indent to seek out the boring moderates next time around and lend them my vote.

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] I try to avoid that, but if it does happen I'll be open to other therapy options other then taking drugs. 

Yusuke420

and then you will probably die

So you'd rather die, than take pharmaceutical drugs?

LOL fluoride in water

we've now reached the bottom of the rabbit hole

I never said that all pills were evil, I said I'd be open to alturnative treatment, such as changes diet and excercise, some natural theraphy, etc. If it comes down to it, then yes I'll pop a pill, but I'd rather not. Is that such a horrible thing?

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] FDR acted beyond his legal authority, as many new deal programs were unconstitutional. For example the Agricultural Adjustment Act and the National Industrial Recovery Act were both ruled unconstitutional. He responded to this by attempting to pack the supreme court with his own goons. That is not the best democracy can hope for, but is instead an example of how dangerous democracy is and how important constitutional restraints are.Laihendi

the US constitution was a joke, written by idiots,oligarchs and agrarians.

A constitution would only serve to hinder a technocratic government.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Natural medicines like cannibus for starters, but also many herbs and fungus have demonstratable positive effects and they have been consistantly stonewalled by the FDA. Pill companies seem to get pills fast tracked through the testing process even though they have horrid side effects that are sometimes worse then the problem they were designed to treat. 

Yusuke420

You can still take the herbs and fungus, just go to some crappy homeopathy store.  And a lot of drugs are derived from natural chemicals made fungus, bacteria, etc

Well, I do think we are an over-prescribed, over medicated society, but homeopathic 'cures' are probably not the answer.

I never said that all pills were evil, I said I'd be open to alturnative treatment, such as changes diet and excercise, some natural theraphy, etc. If it comes down to it, then yes I'll pop a pill, but I'd rather not. Is that such a horrible thing?

Yusuke420

That is absurd. The US constitution is one of the greatest political triumphs in human history. It was, up to that point, the most successful attempt at freeing man from violent oppression by recognizing his fundamental right to his life and establishing legal rights necessary to preserve that fundamental right to life. How can you have protection against government corruption without a constitution?Laihendi

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] FDR acted beyond his legal authority, as many new deal programs were unconstitutional. For example the Agricultural Adjustment Act and the National Industrial Recovery Act were both ruled unconstitutional. He responded to this by attempting to pack the supreme court with his own goons. That is not the best democracy can hope for, but is instead an example of how dangerous democracy is and how important constitutional restraints are.Laihendi

the US constitution was a joke, written by idiots,oligarchs and agrarians.

A constitution would only serve to hinder a technocratic government.

It is a terrible document because it doomed us to a tyranny of the masses in which we are enslaved by our own stupidity and sensationalism.

Technocracy is in the best interest of the people, they don't need protection from it.

I'll stick to the scientific flaws in this thread, since the original topic is so incredibly ignorant.

Floruide in the amounts put in drinking water isn't dangerous. It is beneficial to teeth in term of preventing decay.

Raw milk can be incredibly dangerous based on the conditions. Don't believe anything naturalnews says.

"Natural medicines" have hit and miss effects, many of which haven't be fully determined, and can often have some very significant side effects. Most people pushing natural medicines are just in it for the cash, just like the pharmaceutical companies. In addition, many compounds that are currently on the market were isolated from organisms from nature, so you could argue that they are natural themselves.

Okay, so I will say, on topic, that someone who is seemingly as intelligent as Lai should be able to discuss impeachment more intelligently than most Americans, who probably think that impeachment means getting Obama instantly out of office. Which will not happen. Remember tha Clinton was impeached.

I'll stick to the scientific flaws in this thread, since the original topic is so incredibly ignorant.

Floruide in the amounts put in drinking water isn't dangerous. It is beneficial to teeth in term of preventing decay.

Raw milk can be incredibly dangerous based on the conditions. Don't believe anything naturalnews says.

"Natural medicines" have hit and miss effects, many of which haven't be fully determined, and can often have some very significant side effects. Most people pushing natural medicines are just in it for the cash, just like the pharmaceutical companies. In addition, many compounds that are currently on the market were isolated from organisms from nature, so you could argue that they are natural themselves.

Okay, so I will say, on topic, that someone who is seemingly as intelligent as Lai should be able to discuss impeachment more intelligently than most Americans, who probably think that impeachment means getting Obama instantly out of office. Which will not happen. Remember tha Clinton was impeached.

jimkabrhel

Oh natural news, you so funny

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

I'll stick to the scientific flaws in this thread, since the original topic is so incredibly ignorant.

Floruide in the amounts put in drinking water isn't dangerous. It is beneficial to teeth in term of preventing decay.

Raw milk can be incredibly dangerous based on the conditions. Don't believe anything naturalnews says.

"Natural medicines" have hit and miss effects, many of which haven't be fully determined, and can often have some very significant side effects. Most people pushing natural medicines are just in it for the cash, just like the pharmaceutical companies. In addition, many compounds that are currently on the market were isolated from organisms from nature, so you could argue that they are natural themselves.

Okay, so I will say, on topic, that someone who is seemingly as intelligent as Lai should be able to discuss impeachment more intelligently than most Americans, who probably think that impeachment means getting Obama instantly out of office. Which will not happen. Remember tha Clinton was impeached.

lostrib

Oh natural news, you so funny

You're more likely to get legitimate scientific information from science fiction than naturalnews.

I'll stick to the scientific flaws in this thread, since the original topic is so incredibly ignorant.

Floruide in the amounts put in drinking water isn't dangerous. It is beneficial to teeth in term of preventing decay.

Raw milk can be incredibly dangerous based on the conditions. Don't believe anything naturalnews says.

"Natural medicines" have hit and miss effects, many of which haven't be fully determined, and can often have some very significant side effects. Most people pushing natural medicines are just in it for the cash, just like the pharmaceutical companies. In addition, many compounds that are currently on the market were isolated from organisms from nature, so you could argue that they are natural themselves.

Okay, so I will say, on topic, that someone who is seemingly as intelligent as Lai should be able to discuss impeachment more intelligently than most Americans, who probably think that impeachment means getting Obama instantly out of office. Which will not happen. Remember tha Clinton was impeached.

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

I'll stick to the scientific flaws in this thread, since the original topic is so incredibly ignorant.

Floruide in the amounts put in drinking water isn't dangerous. It is beneficial to teeth in term of preventing decay.

Raw milk can be incredibly dangerous based on the conditions. Don't believe anything naturalnews says.

"Natural medicines" have hit and miss effects, many of which haven't be fully determined, and can often have some very significant side effects. Most people pushing natural medicines are just in it for the cash, just like the pharmaceutical companies. In addition, many compounds that are currently on the market were isolated from organisms from nature, so you could argue that they are natural themselves.

Okay, so I will say, on topic, that someone who is seemingly as intelligent as Lai should be able to discuss impeachment more intelligently than most Americans, who probably think that impeachment means getting Obama instantly out of office. Which will not happen. Remember tha Clinton was impeached.

jimkabrhel

Oh natural news, you so funny

You're more likely to get legitimate scientific information from science fiction than naturalnews.

pretty much. I thought it was a joke news site like The Onion, and then I realized they were serious :?

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Oh natural news, you so funny

lostrib

You're more likely to get legitimate scientific information from science fiction than naturalnews.

pretty much. I thought it was a joke news site like The Onion, and then I realized they were serious :?

I've had friends on Facebook post articles from naturalnews believe it to be gospel, and I've had to keep my mouth shut, or else risk pissing them off.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

the US constitution was a joke, written by idiots,oligarchs and agrarians.

A constitution would only serve to hinder a technocratic government.

Ace6301

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

You're more likely to get legitimate scientific information from science fiction than naturalnews.

jimkabrhel

pretty much. I thought it was a joke news site like The Onion, and then I realized they were serious :?

I've had friends on Facebook post articles from naturalnews believe it to be gospel, and I've had to keep my mouth shut, or else risk pissing them off.

I'd like to take a moment to suggest F.B. Purity discussing politics is fun and all, but there is no need to piss off friends or get pissed off at friends. What can I say? It's made my life better.

I always enjoy seeing people speak so highly of the Consitution, enough to use it to try and brow beat everyone they argue with, then try to couch it by calling it imperfect.

Calling it imperfect is just a way to dismiss the part of the Constitution you disagree with. Arm chair Constitutional schoals FTW.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd. The US constitution is one of the greatest political triumphs in human history. It was, up to that point, the most successful attempt at freeing man from violent oppression by recognizing his fundamental right to his life and establishing legal rights necessary to preserve that fundamental right to life. How can you have protection against government corruption without a constitution?Aljosa23

1. It is an ad hominem attack and in no way discredits the principle of individual freedom that serves as the foundation and motive of the constitution. It in no way discredits the constitution itself.

2. America was not a business, and such a claim is absurd. It is true that many government officials are corrupt and work to make money, but they do not work to produce and trade wealth - they work to loot it from those who make it. His quote implies that he is a sympathizer of socialism, and yet he condemns America for its socialist actions while mistakenly identifying it as a business. Brad Pitt is a fool.

@ Frank Zappa - The constitution contains many checks against democratic authoritarianism. If elected officials did not hold so much power today then the stupidity of the masses electing them would not be so dangerous. Also, a political system is not in the best interest of those who must be forced at gunpoint to obey it. I agree that the masses are scum and that they are destroying life for great individuals, but there is no reason to use violence against them. All we need to is end the application of force against productive individuals for the purpose of preserving the lives of the anti-productive masses.

I'd love to know who these "productive" individuals would sell their "products" too or how they would manufactuer them without the "Scum" of the masses...

Lol WND. Yeah, totally gonna trust a poll from the source that pushed birther bullshit.

I'd love to know who these "productive" individuals would sell their "products" too or how they would manufactuer them without the "Scum" of the masses...

Yusuke420

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd. The US constitution is one of the greatest political triumphs in human history. It was, up to that point, the most successful attempt at freeing man from violent oppression by recognizing his fundamental right to his life and establishing legal rights necessary to preserve that fundamental right to life. How can you have protection against government corruption without a constitution?Laihendi

1. It is an ad hominem attack and in no way discredits the principle of individual freedom that serves as the foundation and motive of the constitution. It in no way discredits the constitution itself.

2. America was not a business, and such a claim is absurd. It is true that many government officials are corrupt and work to make money, but they do not work to produce and trade wealth - they work to loot it from those who make it. His quote implies that he is a sympathizer of socialism, and yet he condemns America for its socialist actions while mistakenly identifying it as a business. Brad Pitt is a fool.

@ Frank Zappa - The constitution contains many checks against democratic authoritarianism. If elected officials did not hold so much power today then the stupidity of the masses electing them would not be so dangerous. Also, a political system is not in the best interest of those who must be forced at gunpoint to obey it. I agree that the masses are scum and that they are destroying life for great individuals, but there is no reason to use violence against them. All we need to is end the application of force against productive individuals for the purpose of preserving the lives of the anti-productive masses.

which is why i support placating the masses with free consumer goods and services (you can recall my citizenship package, correct?) and the opportunity to get more through work and contribution.

Doing anything at gunpoint( on your own citizens at least) is not an option in a technocracy.

I'd love to know who these "productive" individuals would sell their "products" too or how they would manufactuer them without the "Scum" of the masses...

Yusuke420

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I'd love to know who these "productive" individuals would sell their "products" too or how they would manufactuer them without the "Scum" of the masses...

Laihendi

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I'd love to know who these "productive" individuals would sell their "products" too or how they would manufactuer them without the "Scum" of the masses...

Laihendi

F*ck it, I gotta bring back a Lai quote for my sig.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job. 

Laihendi

so you want to shut down the department meant to oversee the safety of food and drugs? And leave safety up to who? the corporations? And what "natural medicines"?

Oh dear god someone take this kid's tin foil hat and give him a chemistry textbook.

For example there is much evidence indicating that fluoride in the water supply is resulting in Americans becoming increasingly stupid. Laihendi

Well I'm convinced, Lai is offically Billy Corgan.  Lai what do you think of contrails?