Rap "music" sales take nosedive

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#1 Unassigned
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,255606,00.html

Saw this coming a mile away.

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#3 PierSkillz
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Good, rap sucks.Comorat


have you listened to it?, or just the one's you hear on the radio? exactly, you can't say anything if you don't even know about it
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#4 dhyce
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Oh well, I doubt that'll stop Hip Hop and Rap artists any. Also, for the love of pete, music quality = opinion, so the statement "rap sucks" is entirely invalid, also rhythm = music; so Rap = music. Geez louise you people are so cliche it's painful.
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#5 Sgt_Homonculus
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For all we know, devoted metalheads could have made that stuff up. Still, if the numbers are correct, hopefully it should motivate higher quality rappers to emerge from the woodwork...though since the best in the game are mostly underground, I could just be blathering. Heck, I always blather...

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#6 PierSkillz
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it's because we have these weak rapper's coming out with one hit wonder's
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#7 TheTerribleFish
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Yay for downloads! See? It does something good for music!
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#9 Stikke
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I'm not a fan of glorifying street thug lifestyles. 
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#10 LJS9502_basic
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Doesn't hurt my feelings....
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#11 Bourbons3
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[QUOTE="Comorat"]Good, rap sucks.PierSkillz


have you listened to it?, or just the one's you hear on the radio? exactly, you can't say anything if you don't even know about it

Answering your own questions FTW? :|
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An interesting read none the less

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#13 Comorat
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Yo man, don't be haitin! He juss reprezentin' yo! He be all fly and crunk and shunizzle yo while da rest o' us just be playah haitin' cuz we aint gotz teh bling, word.
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This just in, Faux News is also reporting that President Bush is one of our greatest Presidents ever.
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I'm 31 years old, I was around for rap to be "born". Yes, I've managed to listen to a song or two. It's crap. I'd rate country music higher than rap on a social scale and most country music is for inbred hicks that drive pickups and sleep with thier sisters. Rap music has managed to embody every single bad stereotype in the world right now and has managed to take every "evil" rock and roll suppsedly had in the 80's and make it a confirmed reality. Oh there's exceptions to teh rule, but the vast majority of rap is baseless, ghetto BS spouted off by a bunch of wannabe posers that never had a hard day in thier life.Comorat

While I dislike the mainstream played out gangster style Rap you're describing, you must take into account that there are many Rappers/Hip Hop bands that don't talk about that kind of stuff, who also use instruments and are very capable artists. To generalize after you've heard a song or two is precisely the problem with people, judging a book by it's cover; whether it's a genre of music; or a different race of people. You really shouldn't judge something until you know more about it, food for thought, hun.

And your statement about Country music is almost hilariously incorrect.

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#16 TallicaFan2005
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Isn't all music sales pretty low right now? The biggest release in the last 6 weeks or so has been Fall Out Boys...There wasn't much else since Daughtry's release...In hip hop the last two big albums were NaS's and probably Young Jeezy's. It's a slow period for music, film and books right now in my opinion. From early Spring through Summer is when things spice up. Can't wait for Lil Wayne's next release.
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I am emotionally unmoved by this news.
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[QUOTE="Comorat"] I'm 31 years old, I was around for rap to be "born". Yes, I've managed to listen to a song or two. It's crap. I'd rate country music higher than rap on a social scale and most country music is for inbred hicks that drive pickups and sleep with thier sisters. Rap music has managed to embody every single bad stereotype in the world right now and has managed to take every "evil" rock and roll suppsedly had in the 80's and make it a confirmed reality. Oh there's exceptions to teh rule, but the vast majority of rap is baseless, ghetto BS spouted off by a bunch of wannabe posers that never had a hard day in thier life.dhyce

While I dislike the mainstream played out gangster style Rap you're describing, you must take into account that there are many Rappers/Hip Hop bands that don't talk about that kind of stuff, who also use instruments and are very capable artists. To generalize after you've heard a song or two is precisely the problem with people, judging a book by it's cover; whether it's a genre of music; or a different race of people. You really shouldn't judge something until you know more about it, food for thought, hun.

And your statement about Country music is almost hilariously incorrect.

Well let's just see a list of "good" rap then shall we? Better yet google up your favorite rap song, one that really moves you and speaks to your heart without it endorcing some sort fo negative stereo-type and I'll acknoledge said song as music. Cause' I can damn sure google up a good dozen that do the opposite.
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#19 TSCombo
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Over commercialization and exploitation ruins everything. Music companies, fans, and the artist themselves have all played a part in this. I heard albums sales of all genres of music have went down also. Downloads FTW.
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#20 nickmag
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Woot! It's a shame for the few decent rap artists out there but you have to take the smooth with the rough I suppose. No 50 cent and all his new clones eating up the airwaves > 1 decent rap artist
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Indeed, negativity is just over the top... And yeah, there's some underground stuff that are OK for me, but the mainstream is mainly crap.
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Well let's just see a list of "good" rap then shall we? Better yet google up your favorite rap song, one that really moves you and speaks to your heart without it endorcing some sort fo negative stereo-type and I'll acknoledge said song as music. Cause' I can damn sure google up a good dozen that do the opposite.Comorat

Well, pretty much anything by The Blue Scholars and De La Soul, they tend to write light hearted music.

And my favorite Rap songs happen to be a tad vulgar; to which I say "so what?"

The world is a pretty vulgar place, the songs I'm thinking of in no way endorse bad behavior, in fact the ones I know just acknowledge it and tell you to stay away; or point out the problems in the world in a very brutal way.

Ugh, I can't believe you quoted the word good, stop being so cliche, it's obnoxious. lol

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#23 AARONRULZ1
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Good, rap sucks.Comorat
QFT.
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[QUOTE="Comorat"] Well let's just see a list of "good" rap then shall we? Better yet google up your favorite rap song, one that really moves you and speaks to your heart without it endorcing some sort fo negative stereo-type and I'll acknoledge said song as music. Cause' I can damn sure google up a good dozen that do the opposite.dhyce

Well, pretty much anything by The Blue Scholars and De La Soul, they tend to write light hearted music.

And my favorite Rap songs happen to be a tad vulgar; to which I say "so what?"

The world is a pretty vulgar place, the songs I'm thinking of in no way endorse bad behavior, in fact the ones I know just acknowledge it and tell you to stay away; or point out the problems in the world in a very brutal way.

So what you're saying is that I don't know what I'm talking about and stereotyping about rap when in fact you can't even post the words from your personal choice of rap music to listen to because it's too vulgar? I'd say that pretty much proves me right.
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#25 Master_Greedo
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Good.. I'm tired of all the "I'm a G look at me G-UNIT! Wow I'm so ghetto... Even though I have diamond grillz dawg" kids and "gangsters". Theres only some good rap... I used to listen to rap exclusively but now I have hardly any playing on my MP3.
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Good, rap sucks.Comorat
My thoughts exactly. Although, not ALL rap sucks. Just the majority.
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[QUOTE="dhyce"]

[QUOTE="Comorat"] I'm 31 years old, I was around for rap to be "born". Yes, I've managed to listen to a song or two. It's crap. I'd rate country music higher than rap on a social scale and most country music is for inbred hicks that drive pickups and sleep with thier sisters. Rap music has managed to embody every single bad stereotype in the world right now and has managed to take every "evil" rock and roll suppsedly had in the 80's and make it a confirmed reality. Oh there's exceptions to teh rule, but the vast majority of rap is baseless, ghetto BS spouted off by a bunch of wannabe posers that never had a hard day in thier life.Comorat

While I dislike the mainstream played out gangster style Rap you're describing, you must take into account that there are many Rappers/Hip Hop bands that don't talk about that kind of stuff, who also use instruments and are very capable artists. To generalize after you've heard a song or two is precisely the problem with people, judging a book by it's cover; whether it's a genre of music; or a different race of people. You really shouldn't judge something until you know more about it, food for thought, hun.

And your statement about Country music is almost hilariously incorrect.

Well let's just see a list of "good" rap then shall we? Better yet google up your favorite rap song, one that really moves you and speaks to your heart without it endorcing some sort fo negative stereo-type and I'll acknoledge said song as music. Cause' I can damn sure google up a good dozen that do the opposite.

Are you really that ignorant? For every one good of anything, you'll find a million bads around it. That can be said about any genre's music, especially whatever genre you're into.
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[QUOTE="dhyce"]

[QUOTE="Comorat"] Well let's just see a list of "good" rap then shall we? Better yet google up your favorite rap song, one that really moves you and speaks to your heart without it endorcing some sort fo negative stereo-type and I'll acknoledge said song as music. Cause' I can damn sure google up a good dozen that do the opposite.Comorat

Well, pretty much anything by The Blue Scholars and De La Soul, they tend to write light hearted music.

And my favorite Rap songs happen to be a tad vulgar; to which I say "so what?"

The world is a pretty vulgar place, the songs I'm thinking of in no way endorse bad behavior, in fact the ones I know just acknowledge it and tell you to stay away; or point out the problems in the world in a very brutal way.

So what you're saying is that I don't know what I'm talking about and stereotyping about rap when in fact you can't even post the words from your personal choice of rap music to listen to because it's too vulgar? I'd say that pretty much proves me right.

Go liston to your Elton John and Michael Bolton if profanity scares you so much.
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#29 RogerC44
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,255606,00.html

Saw this coming a mile away.

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Seriously rap is still doing good.
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#30 Comorat
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Here we go again, I make a point, invite others to disprove it and I get flames. Typical and not surprising in the least.
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#31 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="RogerC44"] Seriously rap is still doing good.

It has been on a decline...
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#32 Master_Greedo
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Here we go again, I make a point, invite others to disprove it and I get flames. Typical and not surprising in the least.Comorat
Maybe it's because of moronic comments like the whole of Page 3 of this thread.
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#33 dhyce
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So what you're saying is that I don't know what I'm talking about and stereotyping about rap when in fact you can't even post the words from your personal choice of rap music to listen to because it's too vulgar? I'd say that pretty much proves me right.Comorat

It's not really too vulgar, ugh, you totally didn't understand what I meant, huh? :/

God, I wish some great Rap fan was on right now, because I'm pretty new to the genre, but it is quite good if you give it a chance. I don't really have a great memory, just look up The Blue Scholars and De La Soul, you'll be hard pressed to find a vulgar track.

Trust me, there's tons of Rap that doesn't fall into the stereotypes, I just happen to enjoy some of the vulgar stuff. I'll look up some Blue Scholars or De La Soul lyrics if you're lazy dear, I mean, if it matters that much.

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[QUOTE="Comorat"] So what you're saying is that I don't know what I'm talking about and stereotyping about rap when in fact you can't even post the words from your personal choice of rap music to listen to because it's too vulgar? I'd say that pretty much proves me right.dhyce

It's not really too vulgar, ugh, you totally didn't understand what I meant, huh? :/

God, I wish some great Rap fan was on right now, because I'm pretty new to the genre, but it is quite good if you give it a chance. I don't really have a great memory, just look up The Blue Scholars and De La Soul, you'll be hard pressed to find a vulgar track.

Trust me, there's tons of Rap that doesn't fall into the stereotypes, I just happen to enjoy some of the vulgar stuff. I'll look up some Blue Scholars or De La Soul lyrics if you're lazy dear, I mean, if it matters that much.

He could also try some Christian Rap like TobyMac or KJ-52. Or the Beastie Boys, although none of their songs are really that deep... Tupac "Changes" isn't too "vulgar". But it looks hopeless for this guy to contemplate that Rap music could be good. The best rapper of all time (IMO) is Immortal Technique, and he swears like a mutha******. But his raps are probably the smartest in the whole industry. Besides, he's underground and staying that way, and that makes the cake all the more sweeter.
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[QUOTE="Comorat"] So what you're saying is that I don't know what I'm talking about and stereotyping about rap when in fact you can't even post the words from your personal choice of rap music to listen to because it's too vulgar? I'd say that pretty much proves me right.dhyce

It's not really too vulgar, ugh, you totally didn't understand what I meant, huh? :/

God, I wish some great Rap fan was on right now, because I'm pretty new to the genre, but it is quite good if you give it a chance. I don't really have a great memory, just look up The Blue Scholars and De La Soul, you'll be hard pressed to find a vulgar track.

Trust me, there's tons of Rap that doesn't fall into the stereotypes, I just happen to enjoy some of the vulgar stuff. I'll look up some Blue Scholars or De La Soul lyrics if you're lazy dear, I mean, if it matters that much.

Like thoughts out the back of my mind
Going back in some time
Like when you used to cut and had to go to the back of the line
Look back and you find
Tracks that make you relax and recline
Now cats rap about packing a nine
When they lacking divine
Inspiration
Running out of topics of conversation
Well I drop it in the pocket because rocking's my occupation
I do it remarkably, spark up a leaf
And possibly you could follow me
Tap into your chi
Utilize your memory
To help you see clearly, then get back to me
Actually, nothing's new under the sun
So when life be stressing me
My remedy is 'bringing back sweet memories'
Like the faces that are woven in the fabric of my consciousness
>From cities where making 21's a big accomplishment
Like when my people understood their prominence
And my past life visions of the continent
Like the first time I saw KRS live, rockin' it
I heard Resurrection by Common Sense
Dominant in my psyche
I chose my direction like Spike Lee
To speak my life through mics, and I never take it lightly
It might be something you did to bring you down when you were high
But that karma's a b****, you steady asking God why
Like when my parents first split up
Yo, I was illin'
Seems like some years they was together for the sake of the children
And I love them for that
I don't know if they saw that
So I'ma say it, and convey it when the world play it              -Talib

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He could also try some Christian Rap like TobyMac or KJ-52. Or the Beastie Boys, although none of their songs are really that deep... Tupac "Changes" isn't too "vulgar". But it looks hopeless for this guy to contemplate that Rap music could be good. The best rapper of all time (IMO) is Immortal Technique, and he swears like a mutha******. But his raps are probably the smartest in the whole industry. Besides, he's underground and staying that way, and that makes the cake all the more sweeter.Master_Greedo

Immortal Technique is my favorite as well! Haha

Plus, Sage Francis, Edan, and Aesop Rock do plenty of unvulgar stuff as well, I'm pretty sure MF Doom does plenty as well, heck, I'm probably missing a whole bunch.

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#37 nuttybar
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Isn't all music sales pretty low right now?TallicaFan2005
Yeah, but as it says in the article Rap saw a bigger decline than other types of music, and it says that there wasn't a rap album in the top 10...I doubt this is the beginning of the end for rap though. I don't like rap, and a lot of it's culture isn't that great...so I don't feel bad reading this.
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Here we go again, I make a point, invite others to disprove it and I get flames. Typical and not surprising in the least.Comorat
You made a point? I call that talking out of your ***. Haven't you realized that any other genres have bad influences as well?
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#39 Comorat
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[QUOTE="Comorat"] So what you're saying is that I don't know what I'm talking about and stereotyping about rap when in fact you can't even post the words from your personal choice of rap music to listen to because it's too vulgar? I'd say that pretty much proves me right.dhyce

It's not really too vulgar, ugh, you totally didn't understand what I meant, huh? :/

God, I wish some great Rap fan was on right now, because I'm pretty new to the genre, but it is quite good if you give it a chance. I don't really have a great memory, just look up The Blue Scholars and De La Soul, you'll be hard pressed to find a vulgar track.

Trust me, there's tons of Rap that doesn't fall into the stereotypes, I just happen to enjoy some of the vulgar stuff. I'll look up some Blue Scholars or De La Soul lyrics if you're lazy dear, I mean, if it matters that much.

I've invited you to defend your position with fact. If you can't be bothered to do so I'd hardly say that makes ME lazy.
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#40 Mann_uk
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Im a big fan of hip hop, like the roots, Jurassic 5, dj shadow and dj krush, its good to hear that "Gansta rap" is failing.
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#41 Viennoiserie
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Listen to any hip-hop music that has been released by the Ninja Tune label and you will rarely found profanity, but instead more often you will found good music... I'm not advertising them at all, just search on YouTube for artists like Roots Manuva, Coldcut and The Herbaliser and tell me what's bad about their music...
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im not supprised at all
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#43 Comorat
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[QUOTE="Comorat"]Here we go again, I make a point, invite others to disprove it and I get flames. Typical and not surprising in the least.Ultimas_Blade
You made a point? I call that talking out of your ***. Haven't you realized that any other genres have bad influences as well?

I don't belive this thread is about ALL music now is it? If I recall correctly it's about the decline in sales for rap music. To which I expressed support because in my opinion rap sucks. An opinion I have yet to see a counter point to other than "OMG YUR WRONG CUZ I SAY SO!!1". So if I'm wrong and there is clean, talented rap out there that doesn't enforce a negative stereotype I invite you to post some as well and prove me wrong.
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#44 Viennoiserie
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Im a big fan of hip hop, like the roots, Jurassic 5, dj shadow and dj krush, its good to hear that "Gansta rap" is failing.Mann_uk
Yeah, I like stuff like DJ Shadow, DJ Krush or The Roots too, it's the gangsta rap that it's pointed out in that article that started this whole discussion.
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#45 woody998
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Im a big fan of hip hop. but I have forseen this, I guarentee Reggaeton will be the next big thing, withing 2-3 years it will be the norm.
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#46 ROLFCHANK
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[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="Comorat"]Here we go again, I make a point, invite others to disprove it and I get flames. Typical and not surprising in the least.Comorat
You made a point? I call that talking out of your ***. Haven't you realized that any other genres have bad influences as well?

I don't belive this thread is about ALL music now is it? If I recall correctly it's about the decline in sales for rap music. To which I expressed support because in my opinion rap sucks. An opinion I have yet to see a counter point to other than "OMG YUR WRONG CUZ I SAY SO!!1". So if I'm wrong and there is clean, talented rap out there that doesn't enforce a negative stereotype I invite you to post some as well and prove me wrong.

first you say you made a point to be disproven, then you admit that what you said was just your opinion. nobody can disprove your opinion, because it is not fact.
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#47 TSCombo
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[QUOTE="Mann_uk"]Im a big fan of hip hop, like the roots, Jurassic 5, dj shadow and dj krush, its good to hear that "Gansta rap" is failing.Viennoiserie
Yeah, I like stuff like DJ Shadow, DJ Krush or The Roots too, it's the gangsta rap that it's pointed out in that article that started this whole discussion.

Keep in mind that broad generalizations are the wave of the future so anything shown on MTV will be considered "all" rap. It helps people to sleep easier.
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#48 JoeyHawk
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I don't listen to rap very much at all, but I can occasionally enjoy some stuff like Gym Class Heroes, so it's good to hear that the crappy type of rap is declining.
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#49 Comorat
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[QUOTE="Comorat"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="Comorat"]Here we go again, I make a point, invite others to disprove it and I get flames. Typical and not surprising in the least.ROLFCHANK
You made a point? I call that talking out of your ***. Haven't you realized that any other genres have bad influences as well?

I don't belive this thread is about ALL music now is it? If I recall correctly it's about the decline in sales for rap music. To which I expressed support because in my opinion rap sucks. An opinion I have yet to see a counter point to other than "OMG YUR WRONG CUZ I SAY SO!!1". So if I'm wrong and there is clean, talented rap out there that doesn't enforce a negative stereotype I invite you to post some as well and prove me wrong.

first you say you made a point to be disproven, then you admit that what you said was just your opinion. nobody can disprove your opinion, because it is not fact.

Fine, then I subit to you that all rap is crap on the grounds that it enforces negative stereotypes abound and has no redeeming quality as legitamate music at all. I submit this as a statement of indisputable fact. Now, prove me wrong. Come on, I'm opening this up for creative debate and all you people want to do is argue. Broaden your minds.
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#50 Ultimas_Blade
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[QUOTE="Comorat"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="Comorat"]Here we go again, I make a point, invite others to disprove it and I get flames. Typical and not surprising in the least.ROLFCHANK
You made a point? I call that talking out of your ***. Haven't you realized that any other genres have bad influences as well?

I don't belive this thread is about ALL music now is it? If I recall correctly it's about the decline in sales for rap music. To which I expressed support because in my opinion rap sucks. An opinion I have yet to see a counter point to other than "OMG YUR WRONG CUZ I SAY SO!!1". So if I'm wrong and there is clean, talented rap out there that doesn't enforce a negative stereotype I invite you to post some as well and prove me wrong.

first you say you made a point to be disproven, then you admit that what you said was just your opinion. nobody can disprove your opinion, because it is not fact.

Thank you. Whether this topic is about just rap or all music, you've assumed that ALL of a Genre (rap) is bad. Even if you are half as dumb as I think you are, you should know that whether you've heard it or not there is good rap.

And who's counting here? Other posters have been posting artists and lyrics. I'll even throw in an artist, Common.