Rap "music" sales take nosedive

[QUOTE="Solid_Cobra"]As a hip hop fan, I'm glad the sales are down.  That way the only people who are making and listening to hip hop are people who actually care about it as an artform.  I hope the record companies and posers move on and find another genre to bastardize.  Hip hop will return to being an underground movement, as it should be.  

Here's some funny Chris Rock standup on the state of Rap music.
illshogun

but how will that help if all the great mc's went back to the underground

i mean i gots mad luv for def jux  and there some other out del aesop rock we cant let them take there shine ya meen

As a hip hop fan, I'm glad the sales are down. That way the only people who are making and listening to hip hop are people who actually care about it as an artform. I hope the record companies and posers move on and find another genre to bastardize. Hip hop will return to being an underground movement, as it should be.

Here's some funny Chris Rock standup on the state of Rap music.
Solid_Cobra

[QUOTE="Comorat"][QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"]comorat "doesn't care" so much that he argues with people for 14 pages when they point out the silliness of his arguments.MrCHUP0N

To Fox's article - NO **BLEEP**.

That's what happens when you saturate the market. There's been so much money in rap the past decade that 'artists' (I use the word loosely here) get signed more frequently, they churn out the same sort of drivel that's been selling well, and just go with it. Over and over again.

Eventually even the people who like it start realizing that something's up. "Hey, I'm buying the same garbage over and over again."

I hope a lot of the mainstream rappers go under - that way there should be more focus on the good ones.

[QUOTE="dhyce"]

[QUOTE="Comorat"] I'm 31 years old, I was around for rap to be "born". Yes, I've managed to listen to a song or two. It's crap. I'd rate country music higher than rap on a social scale and most country music is for inbred hicks that drive pickups and sleep with thier sisters. Rap music has managed to embody every single bad stereotype in the world right now and has managed to take every "evil" rock and roll suppsedly had in the 80's and make it a confirmed reality. Oh there's exceptions to teh rule, but the vast majority of rap is baseless, ghetto BS spouted off by a bunch of wannabe posers that never had a hard day in thier life.Comorat

While I dislike the mainstream played out gangster style Rap you're describing, you must take into account that there are many Rappers/Hip Hop bands that don't talk about that kind of stuff, who also use instruments and are very capable artists. To generalize after you've heard a song or two is precisely the problem with people, judging a book by it's cover; whether it's a genre of music; or a different race of people. You really shouldn't judge something until you know more about it, food for thought, hun.

And your statement about Country music is almost hilariously incorrect.

thats because there has not been a good album in about 5 years, all there is not is hip-pop and crunk bs, this fall rap should get back on track when Dre releases his new album g-unit248

It was only a matter of time. I remember reading this news on the Wii news channel. Rap was just a phase that lasted longer than expected. Forms of rock have been around since thhe 50's and its still going strong today. Rap is just a phase and now its finally dying out. Amen.eXor512

It was only a matter of time. I remember reading this news on the Wii news channel. Rap was just a phase that lasted longer than expected. Forms of rock have been around since thhe 50's and its still going strong today. Rap is just a phase and now its finally dying out. Amen.eXor512

[QUOTE="eXor512"]It was only a matter of time. I remember reading this news on the Wii news channel. Rap was just a phase that lasted longer than expected. Forms of rock have been around since thhe 50's and its still going strong today. Rap is just a phase and now its finally dying out. Amen.FlameMe

one of my main problems with rap (at least mainstream rap) is that I feel like the people "singing" and writing the music are Idiots...they can't spell or pronounce a single word correctly it's "da, dat, dis, boiz, dollaz" crap, I honestly feel like my IQ goes down when listening to that. Now that is not my opinion on all Hip Hop but just about all of the mainstream stuffFlameMe

No, rap is a form of expression in music like anything else. Popular rap may be lossing momentum but the artform will always exist. Sorry.TSCombo

No surprise, most of the good rappers are underground nowadays anyways. The only mainstream I can really stand is nas, Outkast, The Roots, Ghostface, Lupe Fiasco, etc.... And even these artists have alot of underground elements in them.familyguy77

[QUOTE="eXor512"]It was only a matter of time. I remember reading this news on the Wii news channel. Rap was just a phase that lasted longer than expected. Forms of rock have been around since thhe 50's and its still going strong today. Rap is just a phase and now its finally dying out. Amen.FlameMe

:lol:

Rap's been around since the 70's, it ain't goin' anywhere... They said the same thing about rock, that it wouldn't last, and look what happened. Seriously think before you open your mouth. It's actually good for rap that sales are going down, rap was better before it was over commercialized anyway.

[QUOTE="familyguy77"]No surprise, most of the good rappers are underground nowadays anyways. The only mainstream I can really stand is nas, Outkast, The Roots, Ghostface, Lupe Fiasco, etc.... And even these artists have alot of underground elements in them.limpbizkit818

Keeping it real and staying true> selling records. Plus, Nas and outkast have no problems selling records, I just like them more than other mainstream rappers becasue they're different, it ain't the same bass boomin beat everytime with someone talking about a gun, it actually has a meaning to it, unlike most mainstream rap which is just dance music for clubs. That's why I like underground, where rappers actually care more about their rhymes and message more than selling out to MTV.

Yay for downloads! See? It does something good for music!TheTerribleFish

So provide some concrete evidence that my opinions are skewed.  We all know I could google up a half dozen rap lyric sheets that would get me banned for life, I invite you to post ONE that you would consider worth listening to that is socially acceptable by the standards offered in teh TOS of this forum.

Not argue, not flame, debate. 

Comorat

:lol: @ you thinking all rap is about the same thing, seriously, your ignorant as hell.

 was rollin' around, in my mind it occurred
What if God was a her?
Would I treat her the same? Would I still be runnin' game on her?
In what type of ways would I want her?
Would I want her for her mind or her heavenly body?
Couldn't be out gettin' bogus with someone so godly
If I was wit' her would I still be wantin' my ex?
The lies, the greed, the weed, the sex
Wouldn't be ashamed to give her part of my check
Wearin' her cross, I mean the heart on my neck
Her I would reflect on the streets of the Chi'
Ride wit' her, 'cause I know for me she'd die
Through good and bad call on her like I'm chirpin' her
Couldn't be jealous 'cause other brothers worship her
Walk this earth for her, glory, I'm grateful
To be in her presence I try to stay faithful

[Chorus]
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] I'd like to be her very best friend

[Verse 2]
He worked with her, she was his lady's best friend
Even if they don't try some ladies test men
And this was a test that was bigger than him
Some believe its the nature that is given to men
He had a good gig, a wife, a kid, a decent home
One reason or another couldn't find peace at home
She asked, "Why do men always have to stray?"
He said, "I'm bad, not as bad as Eric Benet"
"I used to take 'em out to eat but they wasn't really eatin'
Mighta got a little head but I wasn't really cheatin'"
It's hard when your lady don't believe what you say
And what you did in the past you gotta live with today
She asked if they could spend the night together
He thought, and said, "I'm tryin' to get my life together"
Went home to his lady, these were his confessions
"Baby you a blessin' and my best friend"

Now shut your ignorant ass mouth:)

[QUOTE="Comorat"]

So provide some concrete evidence that my opinions are skewed.  We all know I could google up a half dozen rap lyric sheets that would get me banned for life, I invite you to post ONE that you would consider worth listening to that is socially acceptable by the standards offered in teh TOS of this forum.

Not argue, not flame, debate. 

familyguy77

:lol: @ you thinking all rap is about the same thing, seriously, your ignorant as hell.

 was rollin' around, in my mind it occurred
What if God was a her?
Would I treat her the same? Would I still be runnin' game on her?
In what type of ways would I want her?
Would I want her for her mind or her heavenly body?
Couldn't be out gettin' bogus with someone so godly
If I was wit' her would I still be wantin' my ex?
The lies, the greed, the weed, the sex
Wouldn't be ashamed to give her part of my check
Wearin' her cross, I mean the heart on my neck
Her I would reflect on the streets of the Chi'
Ride wit' her, 'cause I know for me she'd die
Through good and bad call on her like I'm chirpin' her
Couldn't be jealous 'cause other brothers worship her
Walk this earth for her, glory, I'm grateful
To be in her presence I try to stay faithful

[Chorus]
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] I'd like to be her very best friend

[Verse 2]
He worked with her, she was his lady's best friend
Even if they don't try some ladies test men
And this was a test that was bigger than him
Some believe its the nature that is given to men
He had a good gig, a wife, a kid, a decent home
One reason or another couldn't find peace at home
She asked, "Why do men always have to stray?"
He said, "I'm bad, not as bad as Eric Benet"
"I used to take 'em out to eat but they wasn't really eatin'
Mighta got a little head but I wasn't really cheatin'"
It's hard when your lady don't believe what you say
And what you did in the past you gotta live with today
She asked if they could spend the night together
He thought, and said, "I'm tryin' to get my life together"
Went home to his lady, these were his confessions
"Baby you a blessin' and my best friend"

Now shut your ignorant ass mouth:)

By your post I guess we all know who the ignorant one is.

[QUOTE="eXor512"]It was only a matter of time. I remember reading this news on the Wii news channel. Rap was just a phase that lasted longer than expected. Forms of rock have been around since thhe 50's and its still going strong today. Rap is just a phase and now its finally dying out. Amen.ftothereaky

It never quite made the "main stream" as the media would try to make you believe. It was nothing but a marketing driven genre. No real staying power.

[QUOTE="familyguy77"][QUOTE="Comorat"]

So provide some concrete evidence that my opinions are skewed.  We all know I could google up a half dozen rap lyric sheets that would get me banned for life, I invite you to post ONE that you would consider worth listening to that is socially acceptable by the standards offered in teh TOS of this forum.

Not argue, not flame, debate. 

Unassigned

:lol: @ you thinking all rap is about the same thing, seriously, your ignorant as hell.

 was rollin' around, in my mind it occurred
What if God was a her?
Would I treat her the same? Would I still be runnin' game on her?
In what type of ways would I want her?
Would I want her for her mind or her heavenly body?
Couldn't be out gettin' bogus with someone so godly
If I was wit' her would I still be wantin' my ex?
The lies, the greed, the weed, the sex
Wouldn't be ashamed to give her part of my check
Wearin' her cross, I mean the heart on my neck
Her I would reflect on the streets of the Chi'
Ride wit' her, 'cause I know for me she'd die
Through good and bad call on her like I'm chirpin' her
Couldn't be jealous 'cause other brothers worship her
Walk this earth for her, glory, I'm grateful
To be in her presence I try to stay faithful

[Chorus]
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] I'd like to be her very best friend

[Verse 2]
He worked with her, she was his lady's best friend
Even if they don't try some ladies test men
And this was a test that was bigger than him
Some believe its the nature that is given to men
He had a good gig, a wife, a kid, a decent home
One reason or another couldn't find peace at home
She asked, "Why do men always have to stray?"
He said, "I'm bad, not as bad as Eric Benet"
"I used to take 'em out to eat but they wasn't really eatin'
Mighta got a little head but I wasn't really cheatin'"
It's hard when your lady don't believe what you say
And what you did in the past you gotta live with today
She asked if they could spend the night together
He thought, and said, "I'm tryin' to get my life together"
Went home to his lady, these were his confessions
"Baby you a blessin' and my best friend"

Now shut your ignorant ass mouth:)

By your post I guess we all know who the ignorant one is.

I'm ignorant:lol: Don't make me laugh. I didn't say one ignorant thing like he did, your just mad I proved him wrong.

[QUOTE="ftothereaky"][QUOTE="eXor512"]It was only a matter of time. I remember reading this news on the Wii news channel. Rap was just a phase that lasted longer than expected. Forms of rock have been around since thhe 50's and its still going strong today. Rap is just a phase and now its finally dying out. Amen.Unassigned

It never quite made the "main stream" as the media would try to make you believe. It was nothing but a marketing driven genre. No real staying power.

I am sick of hearing about bustin caps, hoes, bling and slappin it in da club.V4LENT1NE

Ugh, another person that knows nothing making baseless claims. Read both of my posts in this thread, I'm sick of people like you saying that all rap is about stuff liek that, when it isn't. DOn't try to insult something you CLEARLY know nothing about.

How beautiful love can be
On the streets love is hard to see
It's a place I got to be
Loving you is loving me
How beautiful love can be
On the streets love is hard to see
Gotta reach that frequency
Loving you is loving me

[Verse 1]
Yeah, you know what love is
Even found it on the ground where the thugs live
My man had to dig deep to find his
Couldn't sleep 'cause on the real he had five kids
Live nig's, real brothas express and taste it
At crap games, black dames and big faces
Cases in court, fam' showin' love and support
You and your baby's mom thought that love was a sport
As men we were taught to hold it in
That's why we don't know how 'til we're older men
If love is a place I'ma go again
At least now, now I know to go within
At time it can take ya for a spin
Heartbreak hotel then you're home again
I've seen love make a brothas soul pretend
Like a story that he don't want to end
Yo

[Chorus]

[Verse 2]
It's all love where we come from
In the hood love we was told to run from
That same hood where the guns sung
We holla love, hopin' it would come one
Crack got so many lives undone
From lack of love many hide some run
I knew this girl with a son who dreamt of actin' in plays
Demonstration with her man had her trapped in a maze
Tryin' to find herself again, much of that she'd have gave
Love can free us, to it some of us react as a slave
Funny, we love 'em more when they're relaxed in a grave
Wonder if a thug is raw, is he actin' afraid?
Everybody loves sun, why do I attract shade?
Heard of the love of money, but compassion it pays
Talk about it with my youth so she'd understand
What it is to be loved by a man
Uh

[Chorus]

[Verse 3]
Some say that I'm a dreamer 'cause I talk about it often
Seen the hardest brotha soften wit' his homie in a coffin
We walk and stand in, fall in it
With the right companion we all in it
Mary sang a song about it, having broad limits
In the game of life, it's the scrimage
Reminiscing on letters I wrote in my small days
A letter to the people, love always

Damn, rap sure is all about them hoes and rims:roll:

Yall make me laugh:lol:

[QUOTE="Comorat"]Good, rap sucks.PierSkillz

[QUOTE="PierSkillz"][QUOTE="Comorat"]Good, rap sucks.h_bacho

Rap takes no talent? OK. Spit a rhyme, right now, as good as Rakim or nas, do it, it takes no talent, so obviously you can do it since it's so easy:roll: So go ahead, I wanna hear your rhymes if it's so easy.

[QUOTE="PierSkillz"][QUOTE="Comorat"]Good, rap sucks.h_bacho

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]I am sick of hearing about bustin caps, hoes, bling and slappin it in da club.familyguy77

Ugh, another person that knows nothing making baseless claims. Read both of my posts in this thread, I'm sick of people like you saying that all rap is about stuff liek that, when it isn't. DOn't try to insult something you CLEARLY know nothing about.

[QUOTE="Unassigned"][QUOTE="familyguy77"][QUOTE="Comorat"]

So provide some concrete evidence that my opinions are skewed.  We all know I could google up a half dozen rap lyric sheets that would get me banned for life, I invite you to post ONE that you would consider worth listening to that is socially acceptable by the standards offered in teh TOS of this forum.

Not argue, not flame, debate. 

familyguy77

:lol: @ you thinking all rap is about the same thing, seriously, your ignorant as hell.

 was rollin' around, in my mind it occurred
What if God was a her?
Would I treat her the same? Would I still be runnin' game on her?
In what type of ways would I want her?
Would I want her for her mind or her heavenly body?
Couldn't be out gettin' bogus with someone so godly
If I was wit' her would I still be wantin' my ex?
The lies, the greed, the weed, the sex
Wouldn't be ashamed to give her part of my check
Wearin' her cross, I mean the heart on my neck
Her I would reflect on the streets of the Chi'
Ride wit' her, 'cause I know for me she'd die
Through good and bad call on her like I'm chirpin' her
Couldn't be jealous 'cause other brothers worship her
Walk this earth for her, glory, I'm grateful
To be in her presence I try to stay faithful

[Chorus]
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] Faithful to the end
[sample] I'd like to be her very best friend

[Verse 2]
He worked with her, she was his lady's best friend
Even if they don't try some ladies test men
And this was a test that was bigger than him
Some believe its the nature that is given to men
He had a good gig, a wife, a kid, a decent home
One reason or another couldn't find peace at home
She asked, "Why do men always have to stray?"
He said, "I'm bad, not as bad as Eric Benet"
"I used to take 'em out to eat but they wasn't really eatin'
Mighta got a little head but I wasn't really cheatin'"
It's hard when your lady don't believe what you say
And what you did in the past you gotta live with today
She asked if they could spend the night together
He thought, and said, "I'm tryin' to get my life together"
Went home to his lady, these were his confessions
"Baby you a blessin' and my best friend"

Now shut your ignorant ass mouth:)

By your post I guess we all know who the ignorant one is.

I'm ignorant:lol: Don't make me laugh. I didn't say one ignorant thing like he did, your just mad I proved him wrong.

You proved no one wrong. It's only opinions, which no opinion can be wrong.

As a death metal fan I can totally understand that all the 'good' rap can be found in the underground, just like metal. But I have no problem in totally flaming mainstream 'metal' and seeing it for what it is.

All that bling bling **** serves no purpose but to earn some quick cash. It would strenghten a rap-fans' argument if he would argue about his music knowing at least this. Death metal lyrics aren't especially intelligent, but its so over-the-top that nobody takes it seriously, heck, nobody can understand them anyways :D

But many popular rap artists write 'lyrics' that are sort of realistic and can have a VERY bad influence on today's youth. It's those kind of lyrics and the unintelligent 'beats' that make so many hate raps

PS: Note how I'm not talking about underground rap

As a death metal fan I can totally understand that all the 'good' rap can be found in the underground, just like metal. But I have no problem in totally flaming mainstream 'metal' and seeing it for what it is.

All that bling bling **** serves no purpose but to earn some quick cash. It would strenghten a rap-fans' argument if he would argue about his music knowing at least this. Death metal lyrics aren't especially intelligent, but its so over-the-top that nobody takes it seriously, heck, nobody can understand them anyways :D

But many popular rap artists write 'lyrics' that are sort of realistic and can have a VERY bad influence on today's youth. It's those kind of lyrics and the unintelligent 'beats' that make so many hate raps

PS: Note how I'm not talking about underground rap

Apenoot

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]I am sick of hearing about bustin caps, hoes, bling and slappin it in da club.familyguy77

Ugh, another person that knows nothing making baseless claims. Read both of my posts in this thread, I'm sick of people like you saying that all rap is about stuff liek that, when it isn't. DOn't try to insult something you CLEARLY know nothing about.

[QUOTE="PierSkillz"][QUOTE="Comorat"]Good, rap sucks.Comorat

i'm listening to PE right now

whoever says rap sucks has obviously never heard of Master Puff MarioFanatic

[QUOTE="MarioFanatic"]whoever says rap sucks has obviously never heard of Master Puff platypus33

[QUOTE="familyguy77"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]I am sick of hearing about bustin caps, hoes, bling and slappin it in da club.OneShot112

Ugh, another person that knows nothing making baseless claims. Read both of my posts in this thread, I'm sick of people like you saying that all rap is about stuff liek that, when it isn't. DOn't try to insult something you CLEARLY know nothing about.

No. It is reprisentative of what YOU hear on the radio; the commercial crap. This is what gets the most publicity. Tupac was being attacked, but when you listen to most of his songs, they actually had better messages that songs of any other popular genre. And don't blame only the artists, but blame the consumers who buy the junk that they play on the radio.