Religion > Science

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] What do we need to be happy?CptJSparrow

Depends on what you mean by happy.

In that context it would be simple temporary conveniences; but my overall definition of happiness is a bit less relative.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Depends on what you mean by happy.

Theokhoth

In that context it would be simple temporary conveniences; but my overall definition of happiness is a bit less relative.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Food and water and sleep is all we need to live, but you gotta admit life would suck ass if that's all we settled with.

Theokhoth

Depends on what you mean by happy.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] It's your definition I'm wondering about; I figured it would be the opposite of 'sucking ass'.CptJSparrow

In that context it would be simple temporary conveniences; but my overall definition of happiness is a bit less relative.

Understanding. Happiness is, to use the prayer of St. Frances, having the strength to change what you can, the serenity to accept what you can't, and the wisdom to understand the difference. Eastern religions call it Enlightenment.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] What do we need to be happy?FamiBox

Depends on what you mean by happy.

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Heehee, doogie.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Depends on what you mean by happy.

Theokhoth

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Heehee, doogie.

I was doing my own study and heres what i came up with...Ok i say Religion is healthier and more safe then Science because my sources are backing it up.

we have the pros and cons of both ofcourse

Pros of Religion: To have faith in something out there, certain religion less likely to kill people because they dont want to go to hell, keeps a healthier mind to "pray" and have something to look foward to when dying instead of just plain old dying.

Cons of Religion: The people who believe when that they can kill people as long as its for a good cause "in their opinion" and bring them closer to god..im speaking about terrorists that are very religious..and not just middle eastern

Pros in Science: bringing us foward in present life and certain futures with technology, history that is explained scientifically keeps us busy reading and watching the history of earth and such

Cons in Science: Too much knowledge is Failure, scientifically there was no reports of most diseases that are present today, and i question that why is such a natural thing to do "mating" can cause death..i am talking about the hiv virus, people with no belief in afterlife tend to cause more crimes "yes i looked it up"

if anyone would like to add anything please do..no i am not trolling just a simple study

People don't kill each other over science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_bYnvR_fRg

that video is all anyone needs to watch.

i didnt read anything past the OT's first post, it just reinforced my beliefs that most of the people in the world are well.... you know what i think if you watch the video.

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No. More. Religion vs science topics. Anymore. FOREVER!!!!

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No. More. Religion vs science topics. Anymore. FOREVER!!!!

ghoklebutter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_bYnvR_fRg

that video is all anyone needs to watch.

i didnt read anything past the OT's first post, it just reinforced my beliefs that most of the people in the world are well.... you know what i think if you watch the video.

nimatoad2000

Even though that video was hilarious, it was just another one of those "religion is stupid" videos. It didn't mention anything that atheists don't already talk about.

Pros of Religion: To have faith in something out there, certain religion less likely to kill people because they dont want to go to hell, keeps a healthier mind to "pray" and have something to look foward to when dying instead of just plain old dying.

cee1gee

So science and religion are mutually exclusive?

This is news.

Firefly>Both of them.

Sigh...

Science = fact and educated assumations.
Religion = irrational belief based on faith.

Without science, you would be a caveman. Without religion, more people would be alive today. Religion causes war, conflict, and hated. It also brings together a people within a defined set of laws and values. But for that to work, there can only be one religion, otherwise there is doubt. After all, only one religion can be right, and it's obviously yours. That causes conflict.

[QUOTE="fidosim"]Allow me to broker peace between religious folks and skeptical science folks. You could say that religion/spirituality and science embody two differing, yet necessary sides of human intelligence. Religion and spirituality represent compassion, empathy, and idealism - the distincly human desire to "make the world a better place". While science represents logic and progress - the distinctly human desire to constantly advance one's quality of life and understanding of the universe around them. Both science and spirituality are necessary for human civilization. FamiBox

Religion is not necessary for compassion, empathy and idealism thank you very much. Religion is not necessary for morals at all.

The golden rule is all we need.

People don't kill each other over science.

789shadow

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[QUOTE="fidosim"]Allow me to broker peace between religious folks and skeptical science folks. You could say that religion/spirituality and science embody two differing, yet necessary sides of human intelligence. Religion and spirituality represent compassion, empathy, and idealism - the distincly human desire to "make the world a better place". While science represents logic and progress - the distinctly human desire to constantly advance one's quality of life and understanding of the universe around them. Both science and spirituality are necessary for human civilization. fidosim

Religion is not necessary for compassion, empathy and idealism thank you very much. Religion is not necessary for morals at all.

The golden rule is all we need.

lolwut?

Religious people are thinking like me. You've got it backwards.

Edit* Apart form the magical sky daddy part. I don't buy that. :P

lolwut?

FamiBox

I was doing my own study and heres what i came up with...Ok i say Religion is healthier and more safe then Science because my sources are backing it up.

we have the pros and cons of both ofcourse

Pros of Religion: To have faith in something out there, certain religion less likely to kill people because they dont want to go to hell, keeps a healthier mind to "pray" and have something to look foward to when dying instead of just plain old dying.

Cons of Religion: The people who believe when that they can kill people as long as its for a good cause "in their opinion" and bring them closer to god..im speaking about terrorists that are very religious..and not just middle eastern

Pros in Science: bringing us foward in present life and certain futures with technology, history that is explained scientifically keeps us busy reading and watching the history of earth and such

Cons in Science: Too much knowledge is Failure, scientifically there was no reports of most diseases that are present today, and i question that why is such a natural thing to do "mating" can cause death..i am talking about the hiv virus, people with no belief in afterlife tend to cause more crimes "yes i looked it up"

if anyone would like to add anything please do..no i am not trolling just a simple study

cee1gee

Dude, "science" is responsible for agriculture, tools, and literally everything that makes life possible.

A life without religion is easy. Atheists do that every day.

A life without science is...death. That's being out in the woods with no tools, no shelter, and no protection from the elements.

Religion isn't responsible for water purification, science is.

Religion isn't responsible for the computer that you're typing on, the toilet paper or the soap that you use to clean yourself, or the farming and agriculture that allows you to freaking NOT STARVE TO DEATH.

Do not get me wrong. Science can absolutely be used for evil, and religion can absolutely be used for good. But if you take ALL of the stuff that keeps you from dying horribly, that stuff all fits into the realm of "science".

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lolwut?

fidosim

[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

lolwut?

fidosim

Promotes it yes. In other words, didn't create morals... therefore, you don't need religion to have morals.

Morals simply exist because life would turn into chaos without them... we certainly wouldn't have got this far. It is part of our survival.

The golden rule is simple.

lolwut?

[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="fidosim"] It's very simple. Religion (or any kind of spirituality) promotes a lifestyle, or a code of morals. fidosim

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="FamiBox"]

lolwut?

Promotes it yes. In other words, didn't create morals... therefore, you don't need religion to have morals.

Morals simply exist because life would turn into chaos without them... we certainly wouldn't have got this far. It is part of our survival.

The golden rule is simple.

[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="fidosim"] It's very simple. Religion (or any kind of spirituality) promotes a lifestyle, or a code of morals. fidosim

So.. all the world's problems is because of science and all atheists have no morals?

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"] Really depends on the Religion... Many Wars were Fought because of Religion there are ever wars fought in the name of god in the bible... W1ckedGo0se

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] It's very simple. Religion (or any kind of spirituality) promotes a lifestyle, or a code of morals. fidosim

Promotes it yes. In other words, didn't create morals... therefore, you don't need religion to have morals.

Morals simply exist because life would turn into chaos without them... we certainly wouldn't have got this far. It is part of our survival.

The golden rule is simple.

You mean common sense and survival.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="FamiBox"]

Promotes it yes. In other words, didn't create morals... therefore, you don't need religion to have morals.

Morals simply exist because life would turn into chaos without them... we certainly wouldn't have got this far. It is part of our survival.

The golden rule is simple.

You mean common sense and survival.

Sigh...

Science = fact and educated assumations.
Religion = irrational belief based on faith.

Without science, you would be a caveman. Without religion, more people would be alive today. Religion causes war, conflict, and hated. It also brings together a people within a defined set of laws and values. But for that to work, there can only be one religion, otherwise there is doubt. After all, only one religion can be right, and it's obviously yours. That causes conflict.

awsss

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]I'd like to add that without science, you'd probably sitting in a puddle, waiting for an early death. Just a thought.cee1gee

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] If I ever said that you needed organized religion to create morals, I didn't mean to. What I mean is that people have an emotional,spiritual side of them that tries to think philosophically about the meaning of life and being human. People have a sense that there is more to the world than physicality, and religious teachings are often manifestations of this side of people's psychology.fidosim

You mean common sense and survival.

(facepalm)

Evidence to back this up?

While I do think religion/spirituality has its place in any society, I certainly would not think that religion is > than science. Likewise, I wouldn't say science is > than religion either. The two serve entirely different functions. If someone asks, "Why is it hot in summer?" I would hope no one say, "Why, it is because God made it so." Like wise, if another person asks, "What gives life meaning?" I wouldn't think science is an adequate venue to address such issue.

Of course, there are people who doesn't need a religion to provide them with guidence... they can function perfectly well on their own. And there are folks who needs to have a belief in higher beings for spiritual support or deeper appreciation towards what life has to offer.

Instead of trying to point out what the other lack, why not try harder to occupy oneself with the pursuit of more knowledge? As good as many people think they are at their field of study/belief, I'm certain there are much more out there still waiting to be discover and learn.

(facepalm)

Evidence to back this up?

... can I chose both?Acemaster27

Of course.

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] They sat in puddles and waited for an early death.darkguy_101

Fo a serious answer:

Science did not exist on that timeon it's present form, but aslong as human think they will always strive to gain knowledge. I don't see why both religion and science can coexist with each other.

However i'm an atheist, and religion dosn't make me me feel full when the answer to anything is "God made it, don't try to discover how that works"

Socrates said: "I only know i know nothing" The point of science (and philosophy) is to know. Not to stop on the "God"answer.

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I was doing my own study and heres what i came up with...Ok i say Religion is healthier and more safe then Science because my sources are backing it up.

we have the pros and cons of both ofcourse

Pros of Religion: To have faith in something out there, certain religion less likely to kill people because they dont want to go to hell, keeps a healthier mind to "pray" and have something to look foward to when dying instead of just plain old dying.

Cons of Religion: The people who believe when that they can kill people as long as its for a good cause "in their opinion" and bring them closer to god..im speaking about terrorists that are very religious..and not just middle eastern

Pros in Science: bringing us foward in present life and certain futures with technology, history that is explained scientifically keeps us busy reading and watching the history of earth and such

Cons in Science: Too much knowledge is Failure, scientifically there was no reports of most diseases that are present today, and i question that why is such a natural thing to do "mating" can cause death..i am talking about the hiv virus, people with no belief in afterlife tend to cause more crimes "yes i looked it up"

if anyone would like to add anything please do..no i am not trolling just a simple study

MrGeezer

Dude, "science" is responsible for agriculture, tools, and literally everything that makes life possible.

A life without religion is easy. Atheists do that every day.

A life without science is...death. That's being out in the woods with no tools, no shelter, and no protection from the elements.

Religion isn't responsible for water purification, science is.

Religion isn't responsible for the computer that you're typing on, the toilet paper or the soap that you use to clean yourself, or the farming and agriculture that allows you to freaking NOT STARVE TO DEATH.

Do not get me wrong. Science can absolutely be used for evil, and religion can absolutely be used for good. But if you take ALL of the stuff that keeps you from dying horribly, that stuff all fits into the realm of "science".

I'll take both. Thanks.

Choga

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"]

I was doing my own study and heres what i came up with...Ok i say Religion is healthier and more safe then Science because my sources are backing it up.

we have the pros and cons of both ofcourse

Pros of Religion: To have faith in something out there, certain religion less likely to kill people because they dont want to go to hell, keeps a healthier mind to "pray" and have something to look foward to when dying instead of just plain old dying.

Cons of Religion: The people who believe when that they can kill people as long as its for a good cause "in their opinion" and bring them closer to god..im speaking about terrorists that are very religious..and not just middle eastern

Pros in Science: bringing us foward in present life and certain futures with technology, history that is explained scientifically keeps us busy reading and watching the history of earth and such

Cons in Science: Too much knowledge is Failure, scientifically there was no reports of most diseases that are present today, and i question that why is such a natural thing to do "mating" can cause death..i am talking about the hiv virus, people with no belief in afterlife tend to cause more crimes "yes i looked it up"

if anyone would like to add anything please do..no i am not trolling just a simple study

cee1gee

Dude, "science" is responsible for agriculture, tools, and literally everything that makes life possible.

A life without religion is easy. Atheists do that every day.

A life without science is...death. That's being out in the woods with no tools, no shelter, and no protection from the elements.

Religion isn't responsible for water purification, science is.

Religion isn't responsible for the computer that you're typing on, the toilet paper or the soap that you use to clean yourself, or the farming and agriculture that allows you to freaking NOT STARVE TO DEATH.

Do not get me wrong. Science can absolutely be used for evil, and religion can absolutely be used for good. But if you take ALL of the stuff that keeps you from dying horribly, that stuff all fits into the realm of "science".

*shrugs*

No one FORCED me to buy a computer, log onto gamespot, and then post topics.

No one FORCED me to buy toilet paper. I just CHOSE to buy toilet paper because I'd rather not wipe my butt with my bare hand (for the record....this is why people shake with the right hand. Because the left hand is covered in ****, so extending your left hand to someone is considered an insult).

So yeah...I guess in a lot of ways, science IS sort of forced upon us every day. And I could not be any more happy about that. Thank God for science.

but science cant prove how what made the universe,and what made whatever made the universe and so oncee1gee

[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

(facepalm)

Evidence to back this up?

fidosim

No

I want evidence that spirituality stems from the emotional part of the brain and that religion is why we have morals apposed to common sense and survival (in other words the golden rule.)

Religion can't either. But science comes the closest with the big bang theory, which has a substantial amount of evidence to support it.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="cee1gee"] but science cant prove how what made the universe,and what made whatever made the universe and so onfoxhound_fox

And again, there we go.

Science cannot, and never will, explain everything.

But religion cannot explain ANYTHING.

That is not to say that religion is without value. But the value of religion is NOT in explaining How Stuff Happens. Religion DOES NOT EXPLAIN ANYTHING. Period. If religion DID explain anything, then it would be SCIENCE.

Also, I don't get why it's made out as though the two have to be mutually exclusive-Chimera-