Religion > Science

[QUOTE="-Chimera-"]Also, I don't get why it's made out as though the two have to be mutually exclusiveth3warr1or

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="cee1gee"]

I was doing my own study and heres what i came up with...Ok i say Religion is healthier and more safe then Science because my sources are backing it up.

we have the pros and cons of both ofcourse

Pros of Religion: To have faith in something out there, certain religion less likely to kill people because they dont want to go to hell, keeps a healthier mind to "pray" and have something to look foward to when dying instead of just plain old dying.

Cons of Religion: The people who believe when that they can kill people as long as its for a good cause "in their opinion" and bring them closer to god..im speaking about terrorists that are very religious..and not just middle eastern

Pros in Science: bringing us foward in present life and certain futures with technology, history that is explained scientifically keeps us busy reading and watching the history of earth and such

Cons in Science: Too much knowledge is Failure, scientifically there was no reports of most diseases that are present today, and i question that why is such a natural thing to do "mating" can cause death..i am talking about the hiv virus, people with no belief in afterlife tend to cause more crimes "yes i looked it up"

if anyone would like to add anything please do..no i am not trolling just a simple study

cee1gee

Dude, "science" is responsible for agriculture, tools, and literally everything that makes life possible.

A life without religion is easy. Atheists do that every day.

A life without science is...death. That's being out in the woods with no tools, no shelter, and no protection from the elements.

Religion isn't responsible for water purification, science is.

Religion isn't responsible for the computer that you're typing on, the toilet paper or the soap that you use to clean yourself, or the farming and agriculture that allows you to freaking NOT STARVE TO DEATH.

Do not get me wrong. Science can absolutely be used for evil, and religion can absolutely be used for good. But if you take ALL of the stuff that keeps you from dying horribly, that stuff all fits into the realm of "science".

science is not forced on you. It just happens. An apple falling from a tree is science. Making french toast is science. Making paper, ink, and printing Bibles is science.

Science is just a way of explaining how things can happen, and often improving them.

If you want to drink dirty water, no one is forcing it on you.

If you dont want to abort a child, no one is forcing you to.

Dude...you just gotta accept the fact that we can have both in this world. It sucks :roll: but, y'know, its just the ways things are...

/end sarcasm for the people that didnt get the rolly eyes

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]I'd like to add that without science, you'd probably sitting in a puddle, waiting for an early death. Just a thought.cee1gee

TCm without science you probably wouldn't have ever been born.

Science gives you medicine, TV, the computer your on right now, your food, clothing, home, car, just about everything. Religion gives you a false sense of security and false sense of superiority over those who don't share your same beliefs.

TCm without science you probably wouldn't have ever been born.

Guybrush_3

Every single thing in your life has been given to you by science. Show some respect.

You want only religion? Go live in a cave, with no safe food, no medicine, no clean water, no comforts, no entertainment, no ways of communicating, no way to keep up hygiene, no protection against the elements, or wild animals, and no way to print the paper your Bible is made of. See how healthy your life is then.

Why the downer on science?

Have you got a science test coming up?

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

TCm without science you probably wouldn't have ever been born.

cee1gee

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

TCm without science you probably wouldn't have ever been born.

cee1gee

Every single thing in your life has been given to you by science. Show some respect.

You want only religion? Go live in a cave, with no safe food, no medicine, no clean water, no comforts, no entertainment, no ways of communicating, no way to keep up hygiene, no protection against the elements, or wild animals, and no way to print the paper your Bible is made of. See how healthy your life is then.

ithilgore2006

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]

Every single thing in your life has been given to you by science. Show some respect.

You want only religion? Go live in a cave, with no safe food, no medicine, no clean water, no comforts, no entertainment, no ways of communicating, no way to keep up hygiene, no protection against the elements, or wild animals, and no way to print the paper your Bible is made of. See how healthy your life is then.

cee1gee

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]

Every single thing in your life has been given to you by science. Show some respect.

You want only religion? Go live in a cave, with no safe food, no medicine, no clean water, no comforts, no entertainment, no ways of communicating, no way to keep up hygiene, no protection against the elements, or wild animals, and no way to print the paper your Bible is made of. See how healthy your life is then.

cee1gee

I would rather put my 'faith' into science

I tried to type something out but I couldn't get the wording right. So here goes:

Science is for people who prefer facts. Facts which are 100% true. Science also has theories, but these theories can be proven right or wrong.

Religion is a guidline on how to live your life; with the promise of a happy ending. The stories and origins of religions can't really be proven per sei, so science is easier to put trust into for a lot of people.

Science also has theories, but these theories can be proven right or wrong.Murj

Oh wow, this thread is just... oh God... okay I'm going to leave now. >_>Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Oh wow, this thread is just... oh God... okay I'm going to leave now. >_>Wolls

That's nice.

Science advances the human race, helps humans live healthier lives and also helps the world in general including the life on it. Now you could argue that science also creates things which can destroy the world, such as weapons, but it's man who presses the button so-to-speak.

Religion is just faith.

Science is doing, religion is hoping.

I read a good slogan which is very fitting; "Two hands working do more than millions clasped in prayer."

I should add;

I put my faith in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy and I was dissapointed to find they weren't real.

Religion is just faith. . . . religion is hoping.

I read a good slogan which is very fitting; "Two hands working do more than millions clasped in prayer."

-Unreal-

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]Religion is just faith. . . . religion is hoping.

I read a good slogan which is very fitting; "Two hands working do more than millions clasped in prayer."

mindstorm

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]I'd like to add that without science, you'd probably sitting in a puddle, waiting for an early death. Just a thought.cee1gee

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]I'd like to add that without science, you'd probably sitting in a puddle, waiting for an early death. Just a thought.Big_Bad_Sad

Exactly. Things such as plagues would have killed a huge amount of people, and those that did survive didn't survive because they prayed for healing, they used their thinking power to either avoid becomming victim, or found a way to prevent or remedy the illness, i.e. science.

We might as well be debating about whether we should abolish desktops or laptops because we obviously cannot go through life with both of them... >_>mindstorm

"I was doing my own study and heres what i came up with...Ok i say Religion is healthier and more safe then Science because my sources are backing it up."

"keeps a healthier mind to "pray" and have something to look foward to when dying instead of just plain old dying.

"Cons in Science: Too much knowledge is Failure, scientifically there was no reports of most diseases that are present today, and i question that why is such a" natural thing to do "mating" can cause death..i am talking about the hiv virus, people with no belief in afterlife tend to cause more crimes "yes i looked it up""cee1gee

You really need to back up your claims.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]Religion is just faith. . . . religion is hoping.

I read a good slogan which is very fitting; "Two hands working do more than millions clasped in prayer."

-Unreal-

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]We might as well be debating about whether we should abolish desktops or laptops because we obviously cannot go through life with both of them... >_>Danm_999

I never thought you'd be posting in this thread mindstorm.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]We might as well be debating about whether we should abolish desktops or laptops because we obviously cannot go through life with both of them... >_>mindstorm

I never thought you'd be posting in this thread mindstorm.

Yandere

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] You have a very poor understanding of religion and prayer then... Prayer is always to be preceded by action if a person is truly praying their heart's desire.

mindstorm

So yeah, you are praying to something/someone which you have no proof of exists. Just faith and scripture. You pray for a homeless person, for god to help him or help you find a way to help him. When instead, you could not even use prayer at all, and use your own initiative to help that homeless person by giving them shelter, money, advice or something else.

I don't mind the value of comfort, security and support people get from religion, but it's just faith, hope and belief. Science is for finding facts, making a real effort to understand what goes on around us in everything we see and know.

So yeah, you are praying to something/someone which you have no proof of exists. Just faith and scripture. You pray for a homeless person, for god to help him or help you find a way to help him. When instead, you could not even use prayer at all, and use your own initiative to help that homeless person by giving them shelter, money, advice or something else.

I don't mind the value of comfort, security and support people get from religion, but it's just faith, hope and belief. Science is for finding facts, making a real effort to understand what goes on around us in everything we see and know.

-Unreal-

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]So yeah, you are praying to something/someone which you have no proof of exists. Just faith and scripture. You pray for a homeless person, for god to help him or help you find a way to help him. When instead, you could not even use prayer at all, and use your own initiative to help that homeless person by giving them shelter, money, advice or something else.

I don't mind the value of comfort, security and support people get from religion, but it's just faith, hope and belief. Science is for finding facts, making a real effort to understand what goes on around us in everything we see and know.

mindstorm

There's much more truth in science though because science is about finding out what is fact and what isn't, this is why science and religion are two definitively seperate subjects. And yes, science and religion might be seeking to find the same answers, but religion doesn't get answers. Science is about finding out the answer through rational thought, collective logic and proven technique.

To be perfectly honest, religious people interest me because I was never raised with any religion. We got taught very very basic stuff in school, including various religions and what their beliefs include. To me religion doesn't seem to have any truth to it because there's absolutely no proof. I don't believe in ghosts either, again because there's no proof. I guess I just don't like faith in that sense. I can have faith that a friend will make the right decision with something though. It amazes and interests me how people devote a lot of their lives to religion and again, faith.

There's much more truth in science though because science is about finding out what is fact and what isn't, this is why science and religion are two definitively seperate subjects. And yes, science and religion might be seeking to find the same answers, but religion doesn't get answers. Science is about finding out the answer through rational thought, collective logic and proven technique.

-Unreal-

While I certainly get your point, I think it matters on the specific truth being sought after. If I broke my leg I'm going to the doctor before a pastor. However, if I'm trying to understand if there is a purpose to life, I'm going to a pastor before a doctor.

To be perfectly honest, religious people interest me because I was never raised with any religion. We got taught very very basic stuff in school, including various religions and what their beliefs include. To me religion doesn't seem to have any truth to it because there's absolutely no proof. I don't believe in ghosts either, again because there's no proof. I guess I just don't like faith in that sense. I can have faith that a friend will make the right decision with something though. It amazes and interests me how people devote a lot of their lives to religion and again, faith.

-Unreal-

While I certainly get your point, it's hard to believe something if you see no reason to believe it. I have many reasons why I follow Christianity which is not blindly following, at least certainly no more than following a purely naturalistic worldview.

Many who are against Christianity say, "You can't use the Bible to support your claims!" I personally do not see why. Take for example Luke 1:1-4, "Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught."

I thus believe this account in Scripture to be true. In fact, if Luke's writings are true (which also includes Acts) then much of the New Testament is true because Luke has written more text in the New Testament than any other writer (though Paul wrote more books which are at times short). I do not believe testimony like this can be completely thrown out the window simply because it is in a specific book.

I could go on and on about why I think it is reasonable to follow Christianity, but you get a glimpse of it here.

We've always sought to survive and to improve our conditions. Modern scientific exploration isn't separated in its driving forces from the spirit of investigation which gave rise to the preservation of fire, agriculture, the invention of the wheel or the earliest forms of medicine.

The idea that praying to supernatural entities is in any way comparable shows a lack of understanding of what "science" really represents. The scientific method is a way of approaching questions and determining answers; scientific theory and technology aren't some imposing forces from outside, but an ever growing and developing collection of preserved knowledge and the means to achieve our goals and ends as people, here on Earth.

Feel free to speculate on what, if anything, comes afterwards or came before, but don't declare a pointless internal war on verifiable knowledge (can you even have unverifiable knowledge?) and understanding, and don't use "science" as a scapegoat for your ethical disagreements in modern society. Science would never try to tell you which is the right or wrong way to behave - ideas on right and wrong have human sources.

So yeah, you are praying to something/someone which you have no proof of exists. Just faith and scripture. You pray for a homeless person, for god to help him or help you find a way to help him. When instead, you could not even use prayer at all, and use your own initiative to help that homeless person by giving them shelter, money, advice or something else.

I don't mind the value of comfort, security and support people get from religion, but it's just faith, hope and belief. Science is for finding facts, making a real effort to understand what goes on around us in everything we see and know.

-Unreal-

You speak with such conviction as to which you can prove that prayer doesn't work. Can you? I've heard of instances where it has worked. You can say it was prayer or it wasn't, but the fact remains that someone has prayed and that prayer was answered.

So yeah, you are praying to something/someone which you have no proof of exists. Just faith and scripture. You pray for a homeless person, for god to help him or help you find a way to help him. When instead, you could not even use prayer at all, and use your own initiative to help that homeless person by giving them shelter, money, advice or something else.

I don't mind the value of comfort, security and support people get from religion, but it's just faith, hope and belief. Science is for finding facts, making a real effort to understand what goes on around us in everything we see and know.

-Unreal-

I definitely wouldn't recommend taking them in one's own home.

Science is finding out what we can about our world. That does not mean it answers everything. It's only as perfect as humans are.

what if religion is trying to explain the science or science trying to explain the religion?

either way, as much as i dont believe in the personified God of today's world,i dont understand why people that do believe find it hard to fathom that maybe God created science to make all his miracles come to fruition. But somehow, it has to be one or the other, and that's where people begin to limit themselves(if u get what i mean by that)....

what if religion is trying to explain the science or science trying to explain the religion?

either way, as much as i dont believe in the personified God of today's world,i dont understand why people that do believe find it hard to fathom that maybe God created science to make all his miracles come to fruition. But somehow, it has to be one or the other, and that's where people begin to limit themselves(if u get what i mean by that)....

_R34LiTY_

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

what if religion is trying to explain the science or science trying to explain the religion?

either way, as much as i dont believe in the personified God of today's world,i dont understand why people that do believe find it hard to fathom that maybe God created science to make all his miracles come to fruition. But somehow, it has to be one or the other, and that's where people begin to limit themselves(if u get what i mean by that)....

LJS9502_basic

ok, and?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

what if religion is trying to explain the science or science trying to explain the religion?

either way, as much as i dont believe in the personified God of today's world,i dont understand why people that do believe find it hard to fathom that maybe God created science to make all his miracles come to fruition. But somehow, it has to be one or the other, and that's where people begin to limit themselves(if u get what i mean by that)....

_R34LiTY_

ok, and?

Religion has it's place and so does Science. the problem comes when the religious start to claim that their story books and fairy tales are to be taken like hard science. Let religion save your soul but let science save your mind.