Romney insults 47% of americans because they are poor.

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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] And after I graduate I will be put in the top ~20%.. Your point?Mozelleple112

lol fvcking undergrads crack me up.

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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] No, I'm too young to be paying taxes, I'm a university student who can expect a $80,000 (on average) start-salary which will on average increase to just over $100,000/year in 10 years, NOT adjusted for inflation and increased prices. My mum paid about $40,000 in tax last year and my grandpa paid another $70,000 in income tax money. Which I guess is roughly enough to be considered the top 20%. My dad doesn't pay any taxes at all, 0% income tax in Dubai, despite his near 7 figure income!Mozelleple112

Congratulations! You are part of the 47% that Romney said he would not win.

The point was fairly straightforward: You are one of the 47% Romney threw under the bus, just like all students, retirees, children, people taking time off on their own time and dime to travel, and otherwise all people who are not in the immediate time frame paying income tax. He, apparently, does not think he can win your vote and doesn't seem inclined to try, even though a quick look at voting demographics indicates that Romney, in particular, relies on old people, making his comment even more seemingly idiotic. Does any of this make any sense to you at all?

Anyway, I am important enough for Mitt Romney's, because I do pay Federal income taxes. I was 80th percentile in 2010 before going back to college. Will probably be a bit higher in the future, but I'm NOT inclined to count my chickens before they've hatched. I do not think I want to give him my vote, though, because he's gone all Ron Paul on fiscal and monetary policy.

I don't agree with you that my rights have been infringed upon by the creation of a safety net. And it's utterly bizarre that you can't seem to understand that. Abbeten

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]I don't agree with you that my rights have been infringed upon by the creation of a safety net. And it's utterly bizarre that you can't seem to understand that. LOXO7

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] So I must be talking out of my ass right? :lol: Yes, it must be so hard for me to find a job as with a master degree in marketing/business, especially when my dad is the worldwide Chief Talent Officer for the largest media company in the world, dear golly HollaHoop, how will I ever find a job :roll: :roll: :roll:HoolaHoopMan

Yea because its all internet talk, garunteed 80 grand a year!!! Keep that attitude, chances are you'll be in for a rude awakening. At least your willing the admit the only reason you may land a job is because your father has an in for you :lol:

My friend graduated from the same school 2 years ago and his driving a brand new BMW 3 series, has his own huge ass house, etc, and he's only in his mid 20s. the $80K is not guranteed, it is statistically the average. It can be any where from $60-100K. Most likey in the $80K range but there are students from this school that have earned as much as $400,000 (!!!) in their first year, a friend of mine went in the same class as her. She was an estate agent. And no, its not the ONLY reason I'll get a job, but on top of my master's in marketing, I can always lay back on the fact that my father is the one deciding who works and who doesn't for an international marketing company with 160,000 employees! Mozelleple112

Keep letting the e-peen grow a bit more.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Brosephus_Rex"]

Congratulations! You are part of the 47% that Romney said he would not win.

Brosephus_Rex

The point was fairly straightforward: You are one of the 47% Romney threw under the bus, just like all students, retirees, children, people taking time off on their own time and dime to travel, and otherwise all people who are not in the immediate time frame paying income tax. He, apparently, does not think he can win your vote and doesn't seem inclined to try, even though a quick look at voting demographics indicates that Romney, in particular, relies on old people, making his comment even more seemingly idiotic. Does any of this make any sense to you at all?

Anyway, I am important enough for Mitt Romney's, because I do pay Federal income taxes. I was 80th percentile in 2010 before going back to college. Will probably be a bit higher in the future, but I'm NOT inclined to count my chickens before they've hatched. I do not think I want to give him my vote, though, because he's gone all Ron Paul on fiscal and monetary policy.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] My friend graduated from the same school 2 years ago and his driving a brand new BMW 3 series, has his own huge ass house, etc, and he's only in his mid 20s. the $80K is not guranteed, it is statistically the average. It can be any where from $60-100K. Most likey in the $80K range but there are students from this school that have earned as much as $400,000 (!!!) in their first year, a friend of mine went in the same class as her. She was an estate agent. And no, its not the ONLY reason I'll get a job, but on top of my master's in marketing, I can always lay back on the fact that my father is the one deciding who works and who doesn't for an international marketing company with 160,000 employees! HoolaHoopMan

Keep letting the e-peen grow a bit more.

[QUOTE="Brosephus_Rex"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] And after I graduate I will be put in the top ~20%.. Your point?Mozelleple112

The point was fairly straightforward: You are one of the 47% Romney threw under the bus, just like all students, retirees, children, people taking time off on their own time and dime to travel, and otherwise all people who are not in the immediate time frame paying income tax. He, apparently, does not think he can win your vote and doesn't seem inclined to try, even though a quick look at voting demographics indicates that Romney, in particular, relies on old people, making his comment even more seemingly idiotic. Does any of this make any sense to you at all?

Anyway, I am important enough for Mitt Romney's, because I do pay Federal income taxes. I was 80th percentile in 2010 before going back to college. Will probably be a bit higher in the future, but I'm NOT inclined to count my chickens before they've hatched. I do not think I want to give him my vote, though, because he's gone all Ron Paul on fiscal and monetary policy.

That's all that is being said: The 47% remark was a terrible misstep.

Make no mistake: I'm not a fan of Obama. I just do not think that I can vote GOP given its current state. I hope Jon Huntsman gives a run in 2016.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

lol fvcking undergrads crack me up.

l4dak47

[QUOTE="Brosephus_Rex"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] And after I graduate I will be put in the top ~20%.. Your point?Mozelleple112

The point was fairly straightforward: You are one of the 47% Romney threw under the bus, just like all students, retirees, children, people taking time off on their own time and dime to travel, and otherwise all people who are not in the immediate time frame paying income tax. He, apparently, does not think he can win your vote and doesn't seem inclined to try, even though a quick look at voting demographics indicates that Romney, in particular, relies on old people, making his comment even more seemingly idiotic. Does any of this make any sense to you at all?

Anyway, I am important enough for Mitt Romney's, because I do pay Federal income taxes. I was 80th percentile in 2010 before going back to college. Will probably be a bit higher in the future, but I'm NOT inclined to count my chickens before they've hatched. I do not think I want to give him my vote, though, because he's gone all Ron Paul on fiscal and monetary policy.

This kid has to be trolling. He's like a cartoon.Abbeten

Hay guise, I'm an engineering major. I'm going to patent something and be a billionaire!!

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Brosephus_Rex"]

The point was fairly straightforward: You are one of the 47% Romney threw under the bus, just like all students, retirees, children, people taking time off on their own time and dime to travel, and otherwise all people who are not in the immediate time frame paying income tax. He, apparently, does not think he can win your vote and doesn't seem inclined to try, even though a quick look at voting demographics indicates that Romney, in particular, relies on old people, making his comment even more seemingly idiotic. Does any of this make any sense to you at all?

Anyway, I am important enough for Mitt Romney's, because I do pay Federal income taxes. I was 80th percentile in 2010 before going back to college. Will probably be a bit higher in the future, but I'm NOT inclined to count my chickens before they've hatched. I do not think I want to give him my vote, though, because he's gone all Ron Paul on fiscal and monetary policy.

l4dak47

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] My friend graduated from the same school 2 years ago and his driving a brand new BMW 3 series, has his own huge ass house, etc, and he's only in his mid 20s. the $80K is not guranteed, it is statistically the average. It can be any where from $60-100K. Most likey in the $80K range but there are students from this school that have earned as much as $400,000 (!!!) in their first year, a friend of mine went in the same class as her. She was an estate agent. And no, its not the ONLY reason I'll get a job, but on top of my master's in marketing, I can always lay back on the fact that my father is the one deciding who works and who doesn't for an international marketing company with 160,000 employees! Mozelleple112

Keep letting the e-peen grow a bit more.

Not really, I couldn't care less. You're just coming off as a really big douche, and quite frankly I feel embarrassed seeing someone trying to prove themselves this hard. But whatever floats your boat. At the end of the day you're nothing but some scumbag who sounds like the only goal in life is the amount of zeros on your pay check. In a way I pity you.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]This kid has to be trolling. He's like a cartoon.Brosephus_Rex

Hay guise, I'm an engineering major. I'm going to patent something and be a billionaire!!

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Abbeten"]I don't agree with you that my rights have been infringed upon by the creation of a safety net. And it's utterly bizarre that you can't seem to understand that. Abbeten

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] I was talking about the difference between general and specific welfare. I wasn't talking about your supposed understanding of the Constitution. I understand how you can say entitlements are the same as the general population. I can see how you think your rights are not violated. You don't know the difference. But don't feel bad. You are not alone. That should get your spirit up because you value the majority thinking.LOXO7

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[QUOTE="Abbeten"] Okay. You can continue thinking you're a special snowflake for having a different (and extremely limited) interpretation of the phrase 'general welfare.' I'll just let you do that.Abbeten

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Keep letting the e-peen grow a bit more.

HoolaHoopMan

Not really, I couldn't care less. You're just coming off as a really big douche, and quite frankly I feel embarrassed seeing someone trying to prove themselves this hard. But whatever floats your boat. At the end of the day you're nothing but some scumbag who sounds like the only goal in life is the amount of zeros on your pay check. In a way I pity you.

Edit: Had to fix a typo before people start questioning my education, as typos are clearly a crime.

[QUOTE="Brosephus_Rex"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]This kid has to be trolling. He's like a cartoon.Mozelleple112

Hay guise, I'm an engineering major. I'm going to patent something and be a billionaire!!

You were being pretty unreasonable, considering your apparent inability to notice the rather overt stupidity of Romney's comment right off the bat and your seeming inability to deal with basic statistics. Petro 4-year grads make more than your beloved Master's. Mid-career master's in engineering will have median salaries in the six-digits range - how that is "mediocre" is beyond my comprehension. You sound frustrated.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] Opposed to what? The Constitution being a guideline for the government? Your think that the government should just go on as it has been because that's how it's always been? If you think that, how can you tell me what the Constitution means? You let me? Like you allow me to think this way because you have some sort of power over me? Right. You live in a democracy. How about this? You allow me to do so because you would otherwise be violating the preamble.LOXO7

My problem here is that you are taking a complicated situation and stripping it of all nuance and every shade of gray and pretending that it's easy, when it isn't.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] Opposed to what? The Constitution being a guideline for the government? Your think that the government should just go on as it has been because that's how it's always been? If you think that, how can you tell me what the Constitution means? You let me? Like you allow me to think this way because you have some sort of power over me? Right. You live in a democracy. How about this? You allow me to do so because you would otherwise be violating the preamble.LOXO7

You shouldn't pity me one single bit. I only come off as a douche because I am the 1%, and you are the 99%. Simple fact. And how am I trying to prove myself so hard? I made a FACTUAL comment based on national statistic, but OH NO, that's just E-peen and internet bull talk, because you're a butthurt American who can't find a job, and I come from several generations of successful business men and guess what? I'm currently in school to become one right now. I love marketing. Its also in my genes to get married, have 2 kids, divorce wife and marry some one 20 years younger, and end up a miserable old man, at least that's happened to 3 generations, and soon a 4th (my dad) who's gone through all stages except becoming a miserable old man. I know money isn't everything, its a shame that my hobby is audio/video, which is probably the most expensive hobby in the world, apart from extreme ones like car collecting and fine art collections.

Edit: Had to fix a typo before people start questioning my education, as typos are clearly a crime.

Mozelleple112

Never criticized your spelling, but thanks for being consistent. Your spelling is quite low on my list of things that I find abhorrent about your posts.

You are not the 1%, you're a student. Everything you're spouting IS talk. Keep riding your daddy's peen and talking like a misogynistic entitled low life. Unlike you I've actually earned my masters degree already and have a nice stable job in my field. The only difference is that I don't feel like shltting all over my fellow man. I'm actually quite grateful for the opportunities and assistance I was given and I'd like to help see that other people are able to benefit from them as well. I wasn't born into a successful lineage of apparent douche bags like you've described.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] What? That was an expression. It meant that I'm just going to leave you to your views since you seem incapable of understanding that people can have differing interpretations of the Constitution than you do. So we have nothing to discuss. Abbeten

My problem here is that you are taking a complicated situation and stripping it of all nuance and every shade of gray and pretending that it's easy, when it isn't.

But it is simple. Right and wrong. What is right in the United States? Freedom. Life. Property. What is wrong in the United States? Violating these rights. Is that difficult? "Wait wait. There is some gray here." Where?!

You are making it complex and hard to understand. That's what politicians do. They do this to violate your rights more. They want more laws and regulations because that's more government power. It's less power for us because we do nothing or assume government has power because that's what were taught. The law is black and white in the Constitution. It is individual power of the people granting power to the government. And you are incorrect when you say the US government has its own power that the individual have to obey.

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[QUOTE="LOXO7"] People can have different interpretations of the law of the land? What is the purpose of having laws then? We live in an anarchy?LOXO7

My problem here is that you are taking a complicated situation and stripping it of all nuance and every shade of gray and pretending that it's easy, when it isn't.

But it is simple. Right and wrong. What is right in the United States? Freedom. Life. Property. What is wrong in the United States? Violating these rights. Is that difficult? "Wait wait. There is some gray here." Where?!

You are making it complex and hard to understand. That's what politicians do. They do this to violate your rights more. They want more laws and regulations because that's more government power. It's less power for us because we do nothing or assume government has power because that's what were taught. The law is black and white in the Constitution. It is individual power of the people granting power to the government. And you are incorrect when you say the US government has its own power that the individual have to obey.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] What? That was an expression. It meant that I'm just going to leave you to your views since you seem incapable of understanding that people can have differing interpretations of the Constitution than you do. So we have nothing to discuss. -Sun_Tzu-

The government says, "We don't know what the founding fathers were thinking?"

What?! They wrote it down. All we have to do is read it!

So read it. The purpose for the Supreme Court is under Article 3. Section 2. It says, "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under the Constitution..." The power vested in the people granted to the Judicial branch.

The people say, "Hey. We need a fair courts that will respect our rights written in this constitution when others violate them."

The people of today should know their rights. Your question to me is evidence showing that you do not know your rights or who wrote the Constitution. That is what I am talking about.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] Opposed to what? The Constitution being a guideline for the government? Your think that the government should just go on as it has been because that's how it's always been? If you think that, how can you tell me what the Constitution means? You let me? Like you allow me to think this way because you have some sort of power over me? Right. You live in a democracy. How about this? You allow me to do so because you would otherwise be violating the preamble.

LOXO7

Unfortunately, we all have to live with the tyranny of government. Anarchy would be nice, but too many people are afraid of it because of all the constant pro-government propaganda.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] What? That was an expression. It meant that I'm just going to leave you to your views since you seem incapable of understanding that people can have differing interpretations of the Constitution than you do. So we have nothing to discuss. JLCrogue

Unfortunately, we all have to live with the tyranny of government. Anarchy would be nice, but too many people are afraid of it because of all the constant pro-government propaganda.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] People can have different interpretations of the law of the land? What is the purpose of having laws then? We live in an anarchy?LOXO7

The government says, "We don't know what the founding fathers were thinking?"

What?! They wrote it down. All we have to do is read it!

So read it. The purpose for the Supreme Court is under Article 3. Section 2. It says, "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under the Constitution..." The power vested in the people granted to the Judicial branch.

The people say, "Hey. We need a fair courts that will respect our rights written in this constitution when others violate them."

The people of today should know their rights. Your question to me is evidence showing that you do not know your rights or who wrote the Constitution. That is what I am talking about.

[QUOTE="JLCrogue"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] People can have different interpretations of the law of the land? What is the purpose of having laws then? We live in an anarchy?sSubZerOo

Unfortunately, we all have to live with the tyranny of government. Anarchy would be nice, but too many people are afraid of it because of all the constant pro-government propaganda.

Obama has already won, why do we need all these debates and stuff

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] What purpose does the Supreme Court serve if the constitution doesn't require interpretation? -Sun_Tzu-

The government says, "We don't know what the founding fathers were thinking?"

What?! They wrote it down. All we have to do is read it!

So read it. The purpose for the Supreme Court is under Article 3. Section 2. It says, "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under the Constitution..." The power vested in the people granted to the Judicial branch.

The people say, "Hey. We need a fair courts that will respect our rights written in this constitution when others violate them."

The people of today should know their rights. Your question to me is evidence showing that you do not know your rights or who wrote the Constitution. That is what I am talking about.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] That is what the government teaches us today. That we need the government to decipher the hard words written in the Constitution. This is twisted. Are we that stupid to believe this? How do we believe this nonsense?

The government says, "We don't know what the founding fathers were thinking?"

What?! They wrote it down. All we have to do is read it!

So read it. The purpose for the Supreme Court is under Article 3. Section 2. It says, "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under the Constitution..." The power vested in the people granted to the Judicial branch.

The people say, "Hey. We need a fair courts that will respect our rights written in this constitution when others violate them."

The people of today should know their rights. Your question to me is evidence showing that you do not know your rights or who wrote the Constitution. That is what I am talking about.

LOXO7

In a sane world this should be a non-issue as poor people should not have access to the internet or media and should never have been able to hear about it in the first place.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] So what? We have one constitution not many.LOXO7

If you're just going to talk past me then there's no point continuing this discussion.

In a sane world this should not be a non-issue as poor people should not have access to the internet or media and should never have been able to hear about it in the first place.

Strakha

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]No one is saying the government has rights. The government DOES have powers though, and they are enumerated in the constitution and exercised in the enactment and enforcement of laws. Civics 101.LOXO7

[QUOTE="Strakha"]

In a sane world this should not be a non-issue as poor people should not have access to the internet or media and should never have been able to hear about it in the first place.

sSubZerOo

How do you know it isn't all the whiny poor people who are the crazy ones? It's not as if they can afford a decent psychologist to access their mental health after all. Or at least they shouldn't be able to and that's why I'm against Obamacare. The knowledge that the poor aren't sane like I am is what helps me get up in the morning.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Strakha"]

In a sane world this should not be a non-issue as poor people should not have access to the internet or media and should never have been able to hear about it in the first place.

Strakha

How do you know it isn't all the whiny poor people who are the crazy ones? It's not as if they can afford a decent psychologist to access their mental health after all. Or at least they shouldn't be able to and that's why I'm against Obamacare. The knowledge that the poor aren't sane like I am is what helps me get up in the morning.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Strakha"]

In a sane world this should not be a non-issue as poor people should not have access to the internet or media and should never have been able to hear about it in the first place.

Strakha

How do you know it isn't all the whiny poor people who are the crazy ones? It's not as if they can afford a decent psychologist to access their mental health after all. Or at least they shouldn't be able to and that's why I'm against Obamacare. The knowledge that the poor aren't sane like I am is what helps me get up in the morning.

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And to think they even have the nerve to breath the same air as you. -Sun_Tzu-

I have all my air filtered so it no longer carries the foul stench of their desperation and daily struggle.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]And to think they even have the nerve to breath the same air as you. Strakha

I have all my air filtered so it no longer carries the foul stench of their desperation and daily struggle.

Do you wear a gas mask when you go outside, or do you just hold your nose and look pompous?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Strakha"]

In a sane world this should not be a non-issue as poor people should not have access to the internet or media and should never have been able to hear about it in the first place.

Strakha

How do you know it isn't all the whiny poor people who are the crazy ones? It's not as if they can afford a decent psychologist to access their mental health after all. Or at least they shouldn't be able to and that's why I'm against Obamacare. The knowledge that the poor aren't sane like I am is what helps me get up in the morning.

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