Russia could take over America right now.

I was just playing the demo of "World In Conflict" (great demo, download it now and you'll understand what im talking bout)

Anyway, russia breaches one of the beaches in America and starts destroying buildings and everything, and the thing is, America is having a hard time killing the russians(they are taking over). Is this possible or would America easily destroy anyone who tried to take over.

With out military stretched thin, we couldn't invade another country, but we could certainly still kick anybody's ass if they actually tried to storm our beaches, except maybe China...however, China's economy would pretty much disappear if we somehow lost the capacity to trade with them, so they would never do it.Rhythmic_

yeah about that china stuff...

Merry Christmas indeed though. :)

Reality check, it takes a navy to deploy an armed force on enemy soil. Guess who has the largest navy in the world... A certain country's naval forces exceeds the rest of the world combined. Who has the largest air force... and the largest fleet of aircraft carriers to do it. Get it into your heads, china can't invade america. It would cripple their economy into the stone age, and they'd fail as badly as me trying to sing ' I wil always love you'

If they storm Texas, then they better be ready for a red neck rampage, cause I ante moving from this piece of land for some russian tank or Chinese ninja.

I'm sure plenty other people feel the same way.

Also, I doubt I could carry all my computers, so I would rather die here anyways. With all the Mexicans pouring into Texas, a Mexican takeover isn't such an odd ball thought.

Another though about someone trying to invade America, we need less gun control... I doubt a well armed population would take too kindy to an invasion force, if 75% of the population owned a weapon, that going through a soldier's head would be a little unsettling... IMHO.

Yuna707, the idea is if, somehow, another powerful country ever invaded, say... 30 years from now, the president downsized our military and another country beefed theirs up and picked a fight over whatever the great issue of the day is, when the enemy is at the gates, the people will fight.

I'm going by the idea of *poof* enemy is here, what do we do? Obviously it wouldn't work like that but then again, is this really a serious thread?

It wasn't even feasible as the game described it. Some cargo ships "sneak" in and suddenly the Russian army piles out of them. You'd need a TON of ships, and even then how would they keep a large force like that properly supplied?

Anyway Russia seems content to let their military rot and rather show their force in economic ways using their natural resources as tolls that unlike armies you can actually use on a day to day basis.

From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.SolidSnake35

Useless? Nah...

The only ones capable of invading the US properly is the EU...and that's not likely to happen.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.jointed

Useless? Nah...

Well, they did blow it in Afghanistan years back.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.kdt55

Useless? Nah...

Well, they did blow it in Afghanistan years back.

Yeah, but you can hardly call them useless. Just look athow they managed to beat both Napoleon and the Nazis.

Us Americans like to believe that we are the almighty, powerful, ass-kicking nation, but they think the same thing over in China and Russia. All I know is that it would be hell, and a lot of people would die, and there would probably be some nuke action.kdt55

There will never be nuke action unless it's caused by a rogue state (one, perhaps two weak nukes). In that case, most countries wouldn't even think of firing back.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.jointed

Useless? Nah...

Well, they did blow it in Afghanistan years back.

Yeah, but you can hardly call them useless. Just look athow they managed to beat both Napoleon and the Nazis.

The only ones capable of invading the US properly is the EU...and that's not likely to happen.

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You would need to stop them squabbling first.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.SolidSnake35

Useless? Nah...

Well, they did blow it in Afghanistan years back.

Yeah, but you can hardly call them useless. Just look athow they managed to beat both Napoleon and the Nazis.

Yeah, but I wouldn't call them useless. Just look at the Russo-swedish war for example...

Yeah, but I wouldn't call them useless. Just look at the Russo-swedish war for example...jointed

Any country can take over the USA.. its just a matter of how they do it...kulmiye

Togo?

There is no question mark at the end of that last sentence, and that confuses me.:|

To answer your question, no, I don't think there is a nation on the planet that could successfully invade the US.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.jointed

Useless? Nah...

Well, they did blow it in Afghanistan years back.

Yeah, but you can hardly call them useless. Just look athow they managed to beat both Napoleon and the Nazis.

Yeah, but I wouldn't call them useless. Just look at the Russo-swedish war for example...

I'm not familar with my Russian history, being an American and all, but I'm pretty sure that guerilla warfare (revolutionary at the time) along with the winter defeated Poland and the winter and determination (basically the entire population turned into an army and rushing at the Germans, maybe a third had guns) defeated the Axis. That Russian winter can make it a pain to invade them. My French teacher actually said that she ate ice cream to keep warm during her stay in the USSR in the 70s. After waiting in line for to get it, if there was any left of course.

Also, any attempt to invade the US would basically be throwing away the Navy. WiC would be impossible because the logistics would be awful. So they get their unmarked cargo ships and release their thousands of troops, win in Seatle, then what? They'd need to defeat the Pacific Fleet to maintain a supply line and support their men. They could take food and fuel (if foreign military hardware can run on regular) sure, but I'm almost certain that the airport doesn't have missiles for their Hinds or that Costco doesn't carry sabots or HEAT rounds (though you'd probably be able to get 40 for $80 if they did). Then they have to maintain their vehicles and I'm prettu sure that your average autoshop isn't equipped to handle a BMP or T-80.

Still a great game though.

[QUOTE="kulmiye"]Any country can take over the USA.. its just a matter of how they do it...borris_1

Togo?

Oopps I mean any country with a miltary force...

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[QUOTE="kulmiye"]Any country can take over the USA.. its just a matter of how they do it...kulmiye

Togo?

Oopps I mean any country with a miltary force...

Togo has a military

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[QUOTE="kulmiye"]Any country can take over the USA.. its just a matter of how they do it...borris_1

Togo?

Oopps I mean any country with a miltary force...

Togo has a military

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Russia's military is crap. For the most part they are still using outdated tech for the training of their airforce, and most of the time it doesn't work.nomadph

yes, and america's military is 3 inches longer than any army in the world combined. happy? is that how you wish the world to be? to focus billions in money on military and war?

Or the flip...billions on the ability to defend and not be invaded...and the answer to that is yes.

[QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]With our military stretched thin, we couldn't invade another country, but we could certainly still kick anybody's ass if they actually tried to storm our beaches, except maybe China...however, China's economy would pretty much disappear if we somehow lost the capacity to trade with them, so they would never do it.nomadph

china's economy will be intact. it's not like they ask for america's permission to trade with the rest of the world.

sure it'll take a hit from losing trading with america (and its would-be allies), but not from the rest of the world. however, america will take a huge hit from losing trade with china also. guess how many things in your household item parts are made in china?

it is this thinking that makes the world hate america...they think they "own" the world and need to control everything. pfft.

Or we could actually import from other countries....:o

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[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Russia's military is crap. For the most part they are still using outdated tech for the training of their airforce, and most of the time it doesn't work.LJS9502_basic

yes, and america's military is 3 inches longer than any army in the world combined. happy? is that how you wish the world to be? to focus billions in money on military and war?

Or the flip...billions on the ability to defend and not be invaded...and the answer to that is yes.

billions on the ability to defend from what? recent history has shown that america has been the one invading so far...

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[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Russia's military is crap. For the most part they are still using outdated tech for the training of their airforce, and most of the time it doesn't work.nomadph

yes, and america's military is 3 inches longer than any army in the world combined. happy? is that how you wish the world to be? to focus billions in money on military and war?

Or the flip...billions on the ability to defend and not be invaded...and the answer to that is yes.

billions on the ability to defend from what? recent history has shown that america has been the one invading so far...

And that proves my point.:)

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Russia's military is crap. For the most part they are still using outdated tech for the training of their airforce, and most of the time it doesn't work.nomadph

yes, and america's military is 3 inches longer than any army in the world combined. happy? is that how you wish the world to be? to focus billions in money on military and war?

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[QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]With our military stretched thin, we couldn't invade another country, but we could certainly still kick anybody's ass if they actually tried to storm our beaches, except maybe China...however, China's economy would pretty much disappear if we somehow lost the capacity to trade with them, so they would never do it.LJS9502_basic

china's economy will be intact. it's not like they ask for america's permission to trade with the rest of the world.

sure it'll take a hit from losing trading with america (and its would-be allies), but not from the rest of the world. however, america will take a huge hit from losing trade with china also. guess how many things in your household item parts are made in china?

it is this thinking that makes the world hate america...they think they "own" the world and need to control everything. pfft.

Or we could actually import from other countries....:o

that wouldn't work...most other countries (that are not allies from US) also have huge tradings with china (almost everything now is made in china...)

that wouldn't work...most other countries (that are not allies from US) also have huge tradings with china (almost everything now is made in china...)

nomadph

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[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Russia's military is crap. For the most part they are still using outdated tech for the training of their airforce, and most of the time it doesn't work.MattUD1

yes, and america's military is 3 inches longer than any army in the world combined. happy? is that how you wish the world to be? to focus billions in money on military and war?

you guys say ability to defend your own country, but america has more WMD (nukes) than other countries (russia has nukes also). why can't we invade america because it has WMD? why can america invade iraq because of (the never found) WMD?

see, building a military for defense can also be used for war. depends on who you guys vote. so saying that wasting billions for military defense, isn't really "defense"...it's more of making a military, then depends on your government/president, it can be war or "defense.

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that wouldn't work...most other countries (that are not allies from US) also have huge tradings with china (almost everything now is made in china...)

LJS9502_basic

so you mean to say, america will take the slack when china cuts off its trading with the rest of the world? can america compete with what china has been offering for years now? (low cost output of products / hiring for workers)

and how would you know it's not true? please elaborate. are you saying america has a right to influence or tell other neutral countries not to trade with another country in times of war?

america will take the bigger hit in the economy. go to your mall. check out how many things there are made from china.

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that wouldn't work...most other countries (that are not allies from US) also have huge tradings with china (almost everything now is made in china...)

LJS9502_basic

So you would ban corporations from getting involved with China? Good luck with that...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nomadph"]

that wouldn't work...most other countries (that are not allies from US) also have huge tradings with china (almost everything now is made in china...)

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So you would ban corporations from getting involved with China? Good luck with that...

i doubt russia could invade and take over America just like that :/

In all honesty the only other place on the world who would Give america a run for there money in an Invasion is the EU cause we like America have the right balance between naval, air and man power. But the day Europe feels the need to attempt an invasion on America will be a bad day.

and the one thing I always think about is how alot of you americans all have guns so the insurgenycy for the invading army would be a living hell.

From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.SolidSnake35

im not sure whether thats sarcasm or not :?

but its the russians who pushed germany back to there borders in WW2...

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nomadph"]

that wouldn't work...most other countries (that are not allies from US) also have huge tradings with china (almost everything now is made in china...)

MattUD1

So you would ban corporations from getting involved with China? Good luck with that...

indeed. which only means that america's economy is the one who will have a larger impact...

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nomadph"]

that wouldn't work...most other countries (that are not allies from US) also have huge tradings with china (almost everything now is made in china...)

nomadph

So you would ban corporations from getting involved with China? Good luck with that...

indeed. which only means that america's economy is the one who will have a larger impact...