Russia could take over America right now.
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
UrbanSpartan125
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.The EU does actually have a larger economy than the US and it's military budget can easily increase if the suits in Brussels want to.
Yeah but the EU has no Unified military, therefore they are not considered a superpower.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EUFOR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Battlegroups
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps
[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
jointed
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.The EU does actually have a larger economy than the US and it's military budget can easily increase if the suits in Brussels want to.
Yeah but the EU has no Unified military, therefore they are not considered a superpower.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EUFOR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Battlegroups
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps
It is basically the same thing as NATO, nothing new here its still not unified in the way of comunication and training. you have the EU we will soon have the NAU[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
UrbanSpartan125
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.The EU does actually have a larger economy than the US and it's military budget can easily increase if the suits in Brussels want to.
Yeah but the EU has no Unified military, therefore they are not considered a superpower.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EUFOR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Battlegroups
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps
It is basically the same thing as NATO, nothing new here its still not unified in the way of comunication and training. you have the EU we will soon have the NAUEUFOR and the battlegroups are directly controlled by Brussels, they've already been deployed in several countries...
psst, the cold war is over, russia is in ruinsI was just playing the demo of "World In Conflict" (great demo, download it now and you'll understand what im talking bout)
Anyway, russia breaches one of the beaches in America and starts destroying buildings and everything, and the thing is, America is having a hard time killing the russians(they are taking over). Is this possible or would America easily destroy anyone who tried to take over.
no-scoped_jfk
[QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
UrbanSpartan125
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
muppet1010
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.[QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
UrbanSpartan125
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.its when it gets to this point that i realise how pointless these threads are.. I mean the EU and USA arent going to go to war in the fore seeable future anyway.
but anyway number of nukes has nothing to do with it. And obviously atm you will have better stuff cause as I conceeded you have the higher budget. But IF the Eu was to increase its budget naturally the size/power of our naval and airforces would increase too. the fact that the EU is a very real match with a lower budget is also a testament to waht the EU could do with an equal or higher budget.
[QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
UrbanSpartan125
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.Nuclear weapons are kind of pointless in this discussion, both sides have enough nukes to cripple eachother. And your weapons and combat vehicles are far from better, I would actually argue that the EU is far better in this area.
[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
jointed
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.Nuclear weapons are kind of pointless in this discussion, both sides have enough nukes to cripple eachother. And your weapons and combat vehicles are far from better.
US-10,000 nuclear weapons, the vast majority of which are many times more powerful than the bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasakiEU- fewer than 1000 nuclear weapons.
even if our combat vehicles were inferior, we still have the best attack helicopters and the best air force which can rape your tanks and APCs up the ***
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
notconspiracy
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.Nuclear weapons are kind of pointless in this discussion, both sides have enough nukes to cripple eachother. And your weapons and combat vehicles are far from better.
US-10,000 nuclear weapons, the vast majority of which are many times more powerful than the bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasakiEU- fewer than 1000 nuclear weapons.
even if our combat vehicles were inferior, we still have the best attack helicopters and the best air force which can rape your tanks and APCs up the ***
What's your point? It would take 50 ( maybe 150 if your nuclear shield is working properly) nukesto cripple the US...same goes for Europe.
And no....they can't.
This discussion is stupid since a war like this will never happen...
peace out
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.jointed
Useless? Nah...
yup case in point afganistan...they got there butts kicked by a bunch of afgan rebels with stinger missles
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.mlbslugger86
Useless? Nah...
yup case in point afganistan...they got there butts kicked by a bunch of afgan rebels with stinger missles
So, you'll agree with me if I say the same about the US army and their adventures in vietnam?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nomadph"]yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
nomadph
As we sit here today...China can not successfully wage a war against the US. That is fact. So perhaps you need the updates..K?;)
i was asking about "how poor" you think about china...then you reply about china not being able to go to war against the US?
huh?
sure it cannot "successfully" wage a war against the US, just look at the budget US puts into its military. LOLZ. however, it isn't thate huge globe super power / police...there are more to politics and stuffs than military strength.
Most of China is very poor farmers. And my response about war was due to YOUR statement that China is a super power apparently since the US isn't the only one.
[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
jointed
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.Nuclear weapons are kind of pointless in this discussion, both sides have enough nukes to cripple eachother. And your weapons and combat vehicles are far from better, I would actually argue that the EU is far better in this area.
War would likely never happen between the two. But the EU's armored vehicles are not far better. The M1A2 Abrams which over the years in combat has proved to be the best tank in the world, has a farther range and better fire control than the Leapord which is the best tank in Europe. It has survived attacks from over 20 RPG rounds and 3 155mm artillery shells. Either way i dont want this to turn into whos tank is better arguement.[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
UrbanSpartan125
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.Nuclear weapons are kind of pointless in this discussion, both sides have enough nukes to cripple eachother. And your weapons and combat vehicles are far from better, I would actually argue that the EU is far better in this area.
War would likely never happen between the two. But the EU's armored vehicles are not far better. The M1A2 Abrams which over the years in combat has proved to be the best tank in the world, has a farther range and better fire control than the Leapord which is the best tank in Europe. It has survived attacks from over 20 RPG rounds and 3 155mm artillery shells. Either way i dont want this to turn into whos tank is better arguement.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxdEtyxa7Ao
All this talk about the US being the best-super-secret-destroyer-of-all-army makes me laugh.
you guys can't even keep up with a group of terrorists in Iraq, and haven't even found osama. how do you expect to face up against Russia, China, or the EU.
you guys make up more things yet somewhere there is going to be another truck full of soldiers in Iraq getting blown up by IEDs, an RPG or a homemade bomb inside a dead dog on the side of the street.
Russia invaded right now and its the end of the US. The US army is spread out on such a big territory that it would take a lot of time annd resources to get them back together. plus the morality of the country and army will go down...no much of the mighty US now is there?
All this talk about the US being the best-super-secret-destroyer-of-all-army makes me laugh.
you guys can't even keep up with a group of terrorists in Iraq, and haven't even found osama. how do you expect to face up against Russia, China, or the EU.
you guys make up more things yet somewhere there is going to be another truck full of soldiers in Iraq getting blown up by IEDs, an RPG or a homemade bomb inside a dead dog on the side of the street.
Russia invaded right now and its the end of the US. The US army is spread out on such a big territory that it would take a lot of time annd resources to get them back together. plus the morality of the country and army will go down...no much of the mighty US now is there?
WW2_freak
Iraq and the terrorists could be wiped out easily if the war wasn't hampered by the media and opinion. The actual Iraq War ended and the US was victorious.
Russia is in no condition to invade the US dude. Do you know how massive the US army is? It's not all overseas either.
All this talk about the US being the best-super-secret-destroyer-of-all-army makes me laugh.
you guys can't even keep up with a group of terrorists in Iraq, and haven't even found osama. how do you expect to face up against Russia, China, or the EU.
you guys make up more things yet somewhere there is going to be another truck full of soldiers in Iraq getting blown up by IEDs, an RPG or a homemade bomb inside a dead dog on the side of the street.
Russia invaded right now and its the end of the US. The US army is spread out on such a big territory that it would take a lot of time annd resources to get them back together. plus the morality of the country and army will go down...no much of the mighty US now is there?
WW2_freak
Yes just like russia cant take down Georgian terriost in a county about the size of connecticut ....
[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]Russia's military is crap. For the most part they are still using outdated tech for the training of their airforce, and most of the time it doesn't work.nomadph
yes, and america's military is 3 inches longer than any army in the world combined. happy? is that how you wish the world to be? to focus billions in money on military and war?
Or the ability to defend ourselves... Just a thought...you guys say ability to defend your own country, but america has more WMD (nukes) than other countries (russia has nukes also). why can't we invade america because it has WMD? why can america invade iraq because of (the never found) WMD?
see, building a military for defense can also be used for war. depends on who you guys vote. so saying that wasting billions for military defense, isn't really "defense"...it's more of making a military, then depends on your government/president, it can be war or "defense.
Because our WMD's are known of and we weren't trying to hide any of them, not saying that Iraq actually does have them but apparently they bought Uranium for something. Uranium is a key component in the creation of a nuke bomb and Iraq denied thats what they were using it for. Even if they weren't (most likely) there was a suspicion that they were, that was why we invaded.[QUOTE="WW2_freak"]All this talk about the US being the best-super-secret-destroyer-of-all-army makes me laugh.
you guys can't even keep up with a group of terrorists in Iraq, and haven't even found osama. how do you expect to face up against Russia, China, or the EU.
you guys make up more things yet somewhere there is going to be another truck full of soldiers in Iraq getting blown up by IEDs, an RPG or a homemade bomb inside a dead dog on the side of the street.
Russia invaded right now and its the end of the US. The US army is spread out on such a big territory that it would take a lot of time annd resources to get them back together. plus the morality of the country and army will go down...no much of the mighty US now is there?
LJS9502_basic
Iraq and the terrorists could be wiped out easily if the war wasn't hampered by the media and opinion. The actual Iraq War ended and the US was victorious.
Russia is in no condition to invade the US dude. Do you know how massive the US army is? It's not all overseas either.
We also have the National Guard to hold off invaders until we get our army back in order and organization. I know the National Guard couldn't completely hold of the Russian Army(I'm taking a guess at that because I don't know other military strengths) but I believe they could atleast stall a complete takeover until our army would get back ready to fight.Its stupid to even think it could happen. Even if it did Russia wouldnt be in on it alone but most likely with china and theres always europe which would not stand aside and watch. It would be a third world war.
But just to compare military strenghts.
USA
Available Military Manpower: 67,742,879
Total Military Personnel: 2,369,239
Active Frontline Personnel: 1,421,950
Yearly Military Expenditure: $518,100,000,000
Purchasing Power: $12,410,000,000,000
Gold Reserves: $86,940,000,000
Aircraft: 18,169
Armor: 29,920
Artillery: 5,178
Missile Defense: 35,324
Infantry Support Systems: 2,441
Naval Units: 1866
RUSSIA
Available Military Manpower: 35,247,049
Total Military Personnel: 3,037,000
Active Frontline Personnel: 1,037,000
Yearly Military Expenditure: $18,000,000,000
Purchasing Power: $1,539,000,000,000
Gold Reserves: $181,300,000,000
Aircraft: 7,331
Armor: 48,270
Artillery: 30,045
Missile Defense: 19,250
Infantry Support Systems: 19,300
Naval Units: 701
China take is just behind USA and RUSSIA in these figures.
With our military stretched thin, we couldn't invade another country, but we could certainly still kick anybody's ass if they actually tried to storm our beaches, except maybe China...however, China's economy would pretty much disappear if we somehow lost the capacity to trade with them, so they would never do it.Rhythmic_
Not even China has the military infrastructure, training or equipment to take us on.
Certainly not the equipment - they don't have anything for amphibious assaults.
Russia, china, and the EU have armies that our army is DESIGNED to wipe outAll this talk about the US being the best-super-secret-destroyer-of-all-army makes me laugh.
you guys can't even keep up with a group of terrorists in Iraq, and haven't even found osama. how do you expect to face up against Russia, China, or the EU.
you guys make up more things yet somewhere there is going to be another truck full of soldiers in Iraq getting blown up by IEDs, an RPG or a homemade bomb inside a dead dog on the side of the street.
Russia invaded right now and its the end of the US. The US army is spread out on such a big territory that it would take a lot of time annd resources to get them back together. plus the morality of the country and army will go down...no much of the mighty US now is there?
WW2_freak
[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
jointed
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.Nuclear weapons are kind of pointless in this discussion, both sides have enough nukes to cripple eachother. And your weapons and combat vehicles are far from better, I would actually argue that the EU is far better in this area.
War would likely never happen between the two. But the EU's armored vehicles are not far better. The M1A2 Abrams which over the years in combat has proved to be the best tank in the world, has a farther range and better fire control than the Leapord which is the best tank in Europe. It has survived attacks from over 20 RPG rounds and 3 155mm artillery shells. Either way i dont want this to turn into whos tank is better arguement.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxdEtyxa7Ao
Of course the Discovery Europe one is goingto say a European tank is better, but what about multiple sources that site the Abrams as being better.This is also from discovery
http://military.discovery.com/video/top10s.html?playerId=1214244802&titleId=1240477405
What's your point? It would take 50 ( maybe 150 if your nuclear shield is working properly) nukesto cripple the US...same goes for Europe.
And no....they can't.
This discussion is stupid since a war like this will never happen...
peace out
jointed
This whole conversation about Nukes is completely irrelevant anyway, nuclear weapons are not meant to actually be used, they're deterrents. Every country in the world knows that in a conflict involving nuclear weapons, the whole world looses.
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
UrbanSpartan125
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.Nuclear weapons are kind of pointless in this discussion, both sides have enough nukes to cripple eachother. And your weapons and combat vehicles are far from better, I would actually argue that the EU is far better in this area.
War would likely never happen between the two. But the EU's armored vehicles are not far better. The M1A2 Abrams which over the years in combat has proved to be the best tank in the world, has a farther range and better fire control than the Leapord which is the best tank in Europe. It has survived attacks from over 20 RPG rounds and 3 155mm artillery shells. Either way i dont want this to turn into whos tank is better arguement.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxdEtyxa7Ao
Of course the Discovery Europe one is goingto say a European tank is better, but what about multiple sources that site the Abrams as being better.This is also from discovery
http://military.discovery.com/video/top10s.html?playerId=1214244802&titleId=1240477405
that my friend, is world class ownage[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
UrbanSpartan125
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.Nuclear weapons are kind of pointless in this discussion, both sides have enough nukes to cripple eachother. And your weapons and combat vehicles are far from better, I would actually argue that the EU is far better in this area.
War would likely never happen between the two. But the EU's armored vehicles are not far better. The M1A2 Abrams which over the years in combat has proved to be the best tank in the world, has a farther range and better fire control than the Leapord which is the best tank in Europe. It has survived attacks from over 20 RPG rounds and 3 155mm artillery shells. Either way i dont want this to turn into whos tank is better arguement.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxdEtyxa7Ao
Of course the Discovery Europe one is goingto say a European tank is better, but what about multiple sources that site the Abrams as being better.This is also from discovery
http://military.discovery.com/video/top10s.html?playerId=1214244802&titleId=1240477405
You criticize the European Discovery channel for choosing an European tank, but then you post an American version that chooses an American tank.
Isn't that kind of hypocritical?
The second enemy forces of any kind touched American soil they'd be in for the fight of their lives. Even then, it'd be impossible to actually sneak any kind of large invasion force into America, so you'd have to deal with the Navy and Air Force, which, even if you did touch down, would leave you completely surrounded. You'd come in, and you'd have Navy and Air Force forces come up behind you and destroy everything, while you'd have to fight an uphill battle from our coastal lines inward. If you tried to come from land borders you'd still come across similar problems, with the Navy and Air Force routing up behind you.
You'd also have to deal with the civilian population taking up arms, and we have contracters who would take up arms and assist the military.
Who is the only country to enter the US and burn down it's capital? CANADA
[QUOTE="WW2_freak"]All this talk about the US being the best-super-secret-destroyer-of-all-army makes me laugh.
you guys can't even keep up with a group of terrorists in Iraq, and haven't even found osama. how do you expect to face up against Russia, China, or the EU.
you guys make up more things yet somewhere there is going to be another truck full of soldiers in Iraq getting blown up by IEDs, an RPG or a homemade bomb inside a dead dog on the side of the street.
Russia invaded right now and its the end of the US. The US army is spread out on such a big territory that it would take a lot of time annd resources to get them back together. plus the morality of the country and army will go down...no much of the mighty US now is there?
LJS9502_basic
Iraq and the terrorists could be wiped out easily if the war wasn't hampered by the media and opinion. The actual Iraq War ended and the US was victorious.
Russia is in no condition to invade the US dude. Do you know how massive the US army is? It's not all overseas either.
Yup, exactly. Plus our Air Force and Navy is the best in the world, who cares if we have less soldiers then China or North Korea, as soon as someone invades this country there going to be met by 150 million angry American gun owners with more firepower then the average country.
[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]Yes they do...what the hell.
China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.
jointed
In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.
Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.
yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...
Sorry actually we are. There are no countries right now that come close to matching our power. Thats not me being nationalistic that is the truth.no.. EU > USA if the EU wanted we could bloat our military budget way beyond what the USA is capable of... thats not me being nationalistic either its also fact. But yes I do conceed that at this moment in time the USA does have the bigger military budget.
Sorry but no it cant, the EU's economy is only a tad higher than the US's, the military budget of the United States is more than that of the entire world put together. Our technology is also much greater specifically in the areas of stealth. And the US has about 8,000 more nuclear missiles than the EU which has a very minute amount. the EU has no air superiority our sea superiority all of those are controlled by the US. Our weapons and combat vehicles are alo better.Nuclear weapons are kind of pointless in this discussion, both sides have enough nukes to cripple eachother. And your weapons and combat vehicles are far from better, I would actually argue that the EU is far better in this area.
War would likely never happen between the two. But the EU's armored vehicles are not far better. The M1A2 Abrams which over the years in combat has proved to be the best tank in the world, has a farther range and better fire control than the Leapord which is the best tank in Europe. It has survived attacks from over 20 RPG rounds and 3 155mm artillery shells. Either way i dont want this to turn into whos tank is better arguement.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxdEtyxa7Ao
Of course the Discovery Europe one is goingto say a European tank is better, but what about multiple sources that site the Abrams as being better.This is also from discovery
http://military.discovery.com/video/top10s.html?playerId=1214244802&titleId=1240477405
You criticize the European Discovery channel for choosing an European tank, but then you post an American version that chooses an American tank.
Isn't that kind of hypocritical?
according to them, the tiger tank was the worlds best.I was just playing the demo of "World In Conflict" (great demo, download it now and you'll understand what im talking bout)
Anyway, russia breaches one of the beaches in America and starts destroying buildings and everything, and the thing is, America is having a hard time killing the russians(they are taking over). Is this possible or would America easily destroy anyone who tried to take over.
no-scoped_jfk
I doubt it. Russia has a long way to go, but unfortunately that's why we're wasting $$$ on Nat'l Defense, so that they "never get enough power to compete with us."
[QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.jointed
Useless? Nah...
Well, they did blow it in Afghanistan years back.
Yeah, but you can hardly call them useless. Just look athow they managed to beat both Napoleon and the Nazis.
No,the Russians never beat Napoleon because it was Napoleons own fault. He charged right into Russia when it was winter andhe didnt have warm clothes for his troops, thus many of them died and resulted in Napoleons defeat by "General Winter".
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.Soul_Killa_Dark
Useless? Nah...
Well, they did blow it in Afghanistan years back.
Yeah, but you can hardly call them useless. Just look athow they managed to beat both Napoleon and the Nazis.
No,the Russians never beat Napoleon because it was Napoleons own fault. He charged right into Russia when it was winter andhe didnt have warm clothes for his troops, thus many of them died and resulted in Napoleons defeat by "General Winter".
dont forget operation scorched earth used by the russians against napolean
I remember reading a war games article on how a war would play out between the US and China by Clancy and some others...
they concluded the entire Chinese navy would be wiped out by one trident submarine in a 24 hour period
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.Soul_Killa_Dark
Useless? Nah...
Well, they did blow it in Afghanistan years back.
Yeah, but you can hardly call them useless. Just look athow they managed to beat both Napoleon and the Nazis.
No,the Russians never beat Napoleon because it was Napoleons own fault. He charged right into Russia when it was winter andhe didnt have warm clothes for his troops, thus many of them died and resulted in Napoleons defeat by "General Winter".
Hah, the Russians were well aware of this. They've used this tactic many times through history. The Russians did beat Napoleon....all the way to Paris.
if you nuke the chinese navy you canI remember reading a war games article on how a war would play out between the US and China by Clancy and some others...
they concluded the entire Chinese navy would be wiped out by one trident submarine in a 24 hour period
GT-JPWhoopass
[QUOTE="Soul_Killa_Dark"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]From what I've learnt, Russia have always been absolutely useless when it comes to fighting in a war.jointed
Useless? Nah...
Well, they did blow it in Afghanistan years back.
Yeah, but you can hardly call them useless. Just look athow they managed to beat both Napoleon and the Nazis.
No,the Russians never beat Napoleon because it was Napoleons own fault. He charged right into Russia when it was winter andhe didnt have warm clothes for his troops, thus many of them died and resulted in Napoleons defeat by "General Winter".
Hah, the Russians were well aware of this. They've used this tactic many times through history. The Russians did beat Napoleon....all the way to Paris.
and the Ottomans in first world war...they use the winter very well
70% of the Turkish army was frozen without firing a bullet
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