[QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nomadph"]

that wouldn't work...most other countries (that are not allies from US) also have huge tradings with china (almost everything now is made in china...)

MattUD1

So you would ban corporations from getting involved with China? Good luck with that...

indeed. which only means that america's economy is the one who will have a larger impact...

indeed,negative impact. however, the larger impact would be on the US side. china has trade and items in almost all of the world. america is just 1 country.

china's economy will get by, america will have trouble.

so you mean to say, america will take the slack when china cuts off its trading with the rest of the world? can america compete with what china has been offering for years now? (low cost output of products / hiring for workers)nomadph

Sure it can. Remember the 50s? The Industrial output of the United States during the post World War 2 years was more than 50% world GDP. I'm not kidding you, the United States was outproducing the rest of the entire world combine.

and how would you know it's not true? please elaborate. are you saying america has a right to influence or tell other neutral countries not to trade with another country in times of war?

Unfortunantly, that's America for you.

america will take the bigger hit in the economy. go to your mall. check out how many things there are made from china.

Sorry kid, but reliance is the other way around. What do you think China has invested most of its economy in? The USD, just like every other major economy in the world. THe United States uses China as a producer of cheap mass produced products. It doesn't mean they have to use them. The United States invests in China for the sheer convenience of it. If China were to suddenly withdraw from trade with the United States, the US economy would go into a temporary recession. Until its industrial power could be geared up again. China's economy would collapse, we're talking about a country that can barely feed its people for christ sake. Do you have any idea how incredibly fragile the Chinese economy is?

I always find these threads interesting if only because of the impracticality (and utter simplicity) of the arguments. Regarding China vs. the US. Neither nation under almost ANY circumstances has any reason to tank BOTH their economies with some sort of military conflict. Provided the conflict was purely conventional (if it was nuclear the last thing anyone has to worry about is the economy) both economies would be in serious peril. The degree either direction would be about the same.

I'm not quite sure what circumstances people imagine some sort of isolated US. vs. China only scenario but even imagining that would happen do people really think that all other aspects of both nations economy would just truck along as normal? Ships going in and out of Chinese ports like nothing is going on? Seriously? :P

With our military stretched thin, we couldn't invade another country, but we could certainly still kick anybody's ass if they actually tried to storm our beaches, except maybe China...however, China's economy would pretty much disappear if we somehow lost the capacity to trade with them, so they would never do it.Rhythmic_

it doesn't matter about troups america has enough firepower to take over the world or destroy it...

America or any country armed with Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles would nuke any invader. End of conflict.killjoi

[QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]With our military stretched thin, we couldn't invade another country, but we could certainly still kick anybody's ass if they actually tried to storm our beaches, except maybe China...however, China's economy would pretty much disappear if we somehow lost the capacity to trade with them, so they would never do it.jlh47

it doesn't matter about troups america has enough firepower to take over the world or destroy it...

:lol:

Are you serious?

So you would ban corporations from getting involved with China? Good luck with that...

jointed

Free market dude...if no one buys anything imported from China...there is no market for China. Economics 101.

[QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nomadph"]

that wouldn't work...most other countries (that are not allies from US) also have huge tradings with china (almost everything now is made in china...)

MattUD1

So you would ban corporations from getting involved with China? Good luck with that...

indeed. which only means that america's economy is the one who will have a larger impact...

China's economy will not collapse while it still has the European market and the Asian market. but the American economy will be dead, because china invests a lot of money in the USA so you have to money to spent in on Chinese products. they actually make a market for themselves. and if you don't believe me a normal European citizen you better see how great Dept's you guys have. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

I was just playing the demo of "World In Conflict" (great demo, download it now and you'll understand what im talking bout)

Anyway, russia breaches one of the beaches in America and starts destroying buildings and everything, and the thing is, America is having a hard time killing the russians(they are taking over). Is this possible or would America easily destroy anyone who tried to take over.

no-scoped_jfk

...It's a video game.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

So you would ban corporations from getting involved with China? Good luck with that...

LJS9502_basic

Free market dude...if no one buys anything imported from China...there is no market for China. Economics 101.

Yeah...dude... I know. But how the hell would you prevent people from buying things from China?

[QUOTE="jointed"]

So you would ban corporations from getting involved with China? Good luck with that...

LJS9502_basic

Free market dude...if no one buys anything imported from China...there is no market for China. Economics 101.

indeed. on the other hand, if there are no better and affordable alternative if they don't buy or make items in china, then they will still buy/import from china.

With our military stretched thin, we couldn't invade another country, but we could certainly still kick anybody's ass if they actually tried to storm our beaches, except maybe China...however, China's economy would pretty much disappear if we somehow lost the capacity to trade with them, so they would never do it.Rhythmic_

[QUOTE="no-scoped_jfk"]

I was just playing the demo of "World In Conflict" (great demo, download it now and you'll understand what im talking bout)

Anyway, russia breaches one of the beaches in America and starts destroying buildings and everything, and the thing is, America is having a hard time killing the russians(they are taking over). Is this possible or would America easily destroy anyone who tried to take over.

Yoshi25

...It's a video game.

Yeah...dude... I know. But how the hell would you prevent people from buying things from China?

jointed

Marketing campaign. Actually with all the recalls it wouldn't be too hard. I tend to check and reject products Made in China now.

China's economy will not collapse while it still has the European market and the Asian market. but the American economy will be dead, because china invests a lot of money in the USA so you have to money to spent in on Chinese products. they actually make a market for themselves. and if you don't believe me a normal European citizen you better see how great Dept's you guys have. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

korfbalbob

Because in this pretend conflict China will just be trucking the usual exports to other nations like every other day? Seriously? You think that would work out? Seriously? :P

The economic impact for both nations would be disastrous and without question. China would feel it first as they're the folks selling stuff to the US. The US would find itself short on goods, but China would immedatly have tons of out of work people, cash from the U.S. would cease to come in immedatly, and China would also be way way way short on food (they import a huge amount from the US) and short the raw materials they need to bring into their country so that they can make all those goods.

[QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]With our military stretched thin, we couldn't invade another country, but we could certainly still kick anybody's ass if they actually tried to storm our beaches, except maybe China...however, China's economy would pretty much disappear if we somehow lost the capacity to trade with them, so they would never do it.jlh47

it doesn't matter about troups america has enough firepower to take over the world or destroy it...

no, america couldnt take over the world :)

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Yeah...dude... I know. But how the hell would you prevent people from buying things from China?

LJS9502_basic

Marketing campaign. Actually with all the recalls it wouldn't be too hard. I tend to check and reject products Made in China now.

That will never work, and there's no reason why we should do it in the first place..

That will never work, and there's no reason why we should do it in the first place..

jointed

Of course it would...it got Bush reelected didn't it?

wow, you sure make a lot of crazy posts man. Russia could not take over the US, because if they invaded it would most definately turn into a nuclear war, and nobody wants that.NaiKoN9293

[QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]wow, you sure make a lot of crazy posts man. Russia could not take over the US, because if they invaded it would most definately turn into a nuclear war, and nobody wants that.Mr_sprinkles

George bush?

[QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]wow, you sure make a lot of crazy posts man. Russia could not take over the US, because if they invaded it would most definately turn into a nuclear war, and nobody wants that.Mr_sprinkles

:roll: Not in the US Government.

[QUOTE="nomadph"]

so you mean to say, america will take the slack when china cuts off its trading with the rest of the world? can america compete with what china has been offering for years now? (low cost output of products / hiring for workers)CaptHawkeye

Sure it can. Remember the 50s? The Industrial output of the United States during the post World War 2 years was more than 50% world GDP. I'm not kidding you, the United States was outproducing the rest of the entire world combine.

lolz during the 50s most countries in the world were still underdeveloped, which is why you can claim the "50%" number. many countries have progressed in the last 50 odd years. the united states cannot pick up the slack, if it could, then why are there more "made in china" products in the world then "made in america"? because it could not compete as well anymore.

and how would you know it's not true? please elaborate. are you saying america has a right to influence or tell other neutral countries not to trade with another country in times of war?

Unfortunantly, that's America for you.

thing is, in times of war, why would the neutral (non allies) countries in the world listen to america? what incentive? will USA bomb them if they buy from china and make propaganda that those neutral countries that buy from china are allies of china? if american citizens think their government will do this,then your concept of anti-communism is terribly flawed.

america will take the bigger hit in the economy. go to your mall. check out how many things there are made from china.

Sorry kid, but reliance is the other way around. What do you think China has invested most of its economy in? The USD, just like every other major economy in the world. THe United States uses China as a producer of cheap mass produced products. It doesn't mean they have to use them. The United States invests in China for the sheer convenience of it. If China were to suddenly withdraw from trade with the United States, the US economy would go into a temporary recession. Until its industrial power could be geared up again. China's economy would collapse, we're talking about a country that can barely feed its people for christ sake. Do you have any idea how incredibly fragile the Chinese economy is?

it is not convenience, but rather cheaper. why wouldn't your country invest in your own? because it is cheaper to have it in china. indeed, it will go down in temporary recession, however,the time it takes until "industrial power" be "geared up again" would be too long. by that time, america will no longer be one of the "superpower" of the world.

china's economy will not collapse, because it has the rest of the world to rely on. united states will collapse,because its items for "industrial" use will, one form or another, come from some factory made in china, just through another country.

all countries have hungry people. and what do you mean by china being a country that could "barely feed its people?". this isn't some stereotype africa image you're having about some thin boy that is hungry?

do you have any idea how incredibly fragile america's economy is also? the reason why currency in asia is growing stronger is because US currency is growing weaker by the day, fyi.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

That will never work, and there's no reason why we should do it in the first place..

LJS9502_basic

Of course it would...it got Bush reelected didn't it?

Are you aware of how much the coroprations stationed there would lose if they were forced to move to another possibly more expensive country?

It's a silly idea, and why the hell would you want to do it?

[QUOTE="jointed"]

That will never work, and there's no reason why we should do it in the first place..

LJS9502_basic

Of course it would...it got Bush reelected didn't it?

OT: lolz you called your president an "it" lol

All the Americans think that their country is an almighty ass-kicking war machine.

Well, you're far off my friends. Let me just remind you of a real war power house, France. Honestly though you have to admit that the French are war mongrels.

Some of you may say, "Then why did they give up to the Nazis LOL?". Well let me also remind you of the fact that they only gave up in fear that they would destroy Germany, an otherwise close ally of theirs. Also,The reason why they lost Canada to the British is because they thought, "Well the hell with this, this war is pointless. Why the heck would we want to be the founders of a country full of tree hugging shroom junkies who masturbate to John Lennon every night?" The French are probably already planning to invade your sorry asses already.

Also these forums are buggy.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

That will never work, and there's no reason why we should do it in the first place..

jointed

Of course it would...it got Bush reelected didn't it?

Are you aware of how much the coroprations stationed there would lose if they were forced to move to another possibly more expensive country?

It's a silly idea, and why the hell would you want to do it?

I didn't say I wanted to....I said it could occur. Anyway, I care about corporation losses because....? They've moved overseas...I don't care if they go out of business.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

That will never work, and there's no reason why we should do it in the first place..

LJS9502_basic

Of course it would...it got Bush reelected didn't it?

Are you aware of how much the coroprations stationed there would lose if they were forced to move to another possibly more expensive country?

It's a silly idea, and why the hell would you want to do it?

I didn't say I wanted to....I said it could occur. Anyway, I care about corporation losses because....? They've moved overseas...I don't care if they go out of business.

The corporations are a part of the US economy...

And even if the US would do something as drastic as this, China would probably use it's "nuclear option" card...this wouldn't crash the US economy but it would hurt it and there's no reason for this to happen.

The corporations are a part of the US economy...

And even if the US would do something as drastic as this, China would probably use it's "nuclear option" card...this wouldn't crash the US economy but it would hurt it and there's no reason for this to happen.

jointed

Corporations don't benefit the economy to a large degree when the work is not done in the US. They are actually part ofan economic detriment.

China is not as powerful as you guys want to believe....

[QUOTE="jointed"]

The corporations are a part of the US economy...

And even if the US would do something as drastic as this, China would probably use it's "nuclear option" card...this wouldn't crash the US economy but it would hurt it and there's no reason for this to happen.

LJS9502_basic

Corporations don't benefit the economy to a large degree when the work is not done in the US. They are actually part ofan economic detriment.

China is not as powerful as you guys want to believe....

Yes they do...what the hell.

China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.

Yes they do...what the hell.

China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.

jointed

In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.

Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Yes they do...what the hell.

China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.

LJS9502_basic

In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.

Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.

Federal corporation tax and VATaresome of the most important taxes out there...

The country is modernizing, urbanizing.....and the economy is rapidly growing. If China manage to lift the remaining part of the population out of poverty, they'd have a huge federal budget to play around with.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Yes they do...what the hell.

China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.

LJS9502_basic

In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.

Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.

yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...

World in conflict takes place during the Cold war, when both countries were Superpowers. Now only the US is a superpower and Russia's economy and military are down the drain. We would destroy them, seeing as we have complete air and sea dominance over the world there would be no way they would even be able to get to America let alone attack our beaches. Our military technolgy is much more advanced and they really wouldnt stand a chance.

Some food for thought:

World Wide Military Expenditures

United States $623 billiion

Rest-of-World [all but USA]$500 billion

China $65.0 billion

Russia $50.0 billion

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Yes they do...what the hell.

China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.

nomadph

In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.

Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.

yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...

Federal corporation tax and VATaresome of the most important taxes out there...

The country is modernizing, urbanizing.....and the economy is rapidly growing. If China manage to lift the remaining part of the population out of poverty, they'd have a huge federal budget to play around with.

jointed

And corporations find ways to avoid paying the full amount of tax...such as shipping the work overseas. You don't seriously believe that creating jobs overseas is a benefit to any country itself...do you?

China still has a long way to go and many an event could transpire to halt that progress. Never count on something until it has come to pass. Less room for disappointment that way.

yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...

nomadph

As we sit here today...China can not successfully wage a war against the US. That is fact. So perhaps you need the updates..K?;)

Reality check, it takes a navy to deploy an armed force on enemy soil. Guess who has the largest navy in the world... A certain country's naval forces exceeds the rest of the world combined. Who has the largest air force... and the largest fleet of aircraft carriers to do it. Get it into your heads, china can't invade america. It would cripple their economy into the stone age, and they'd fail as badly as me trying to sing ' I wil always love you'

yuna707

name one incident where military buildup has crippled an economy.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Federal corporation tax and VATaresome of the most important taxes out there...

The country is modernizing, urbanizing.....and the economy is rapidly growing. If China manage to lift the remaining part of the population out of poverty, they'd have a huge federal budget to play around with.

LJS9502_basic

And corporations find ways to avoid paying the full amount of tax...such as shipping the work overseas. You don't seriously believe that creating jobs overseas is a benefit to any country itself...do you?

China still has a long way to go and many an event could transpire to halt that progress. Never count on something until it has come to pass. Less room for disappointment that way.

Dissapointment? No no no, I don't want this to happen. I would much rather have the US or the EU as superpowers.

[QUOTE="yuna707"]

Reality check, it takes a navy to deploy an armed force on enemy soil. Guess who has the largest navy in the world... A certain country's naval forces exceeds the rest of the world combined. Who has the largest air force... and the largest fleet of aircraft carriers to do it. Get it into your heads, china can't invade america. It would cripple their economy into the stone age, and they'd fail as badly as me trying to sing ' I wil always love you'

maximusmmii

name one incident where military buildup has crippled an economy.

From reading his post it seems he was saying invading the US would cripple the economy, not the build up.:)

[QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Yes they do...what the hell.

China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.

UrbanSpartan125

In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.

Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.

yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...

The EU does actually have a larger economy than the US and it's military budget can easily increase if the suits in Brussels want to.

Dude, that'd be like the game "Freedom Fighters," except in real life. Americans would rise up and fight those commies. :P

On a side note, I hope FF2 come's out sometime.

[QUOTE="nomadph"]

yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...

LJS9502_basic

As we sit here today...China can not successfully wage a war against the US. That is fact. So perhaps you need the updates..K?;)

i was asking about "how poor" you think about china...then you reply about china not being able to go to war against the US?

huh?

sure it cannot "successfully" wage a war against the US, just look at the budget US puts into its military. LOLZ. however, it isn't thate huge globe super power / police...there are more to politics and stuffs than military strength.

[QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Yes they do...what the hell.

China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.

UrbanSpartan125

In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.

Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.

yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...

budget-wise? yup, america spends the most in the world in military strength. however, why was it threatened with the (not found) WMD of iraq? omg that little country can't possibly do anything to the US with its (unfound/non-existent) WMD, could it?

Dude, that'd be like the game "Freedom Fighters," except in real life. Americans would rise up and fight those commies. :P

On a side note, I hope FF2 come's out sometime.

Zeldaguy16

Wow, this topic is such a waste of space. The TC based his conclusion off a fictional video game that takes place in the 80's. Russia could NOT deploy a large enough force on the shores of the U.S. fast enough to even be considered a surprise attack.

And China...wow, just wow. The main reason the U.S. is the only Ultrapower in todays society is that it easily has the most mobile military force in the world. We can move an entire invasion force into any country in less than two days.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="nomadph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Yes they do...what the hell.

China is an emerging superpower, there's no reason to act arrogant towards them.

jointed

In what way are you referring as I'm referring to economics vis a vis jobs and money generated...in addition to tax. These are missing from overseas factories.

Emerging? The country is still very poor overall and as such is hindered.

yes, it is an emerging superpower. "very poor"? how poor are you thinking? sorry dude, but you need to be more updated with stuffs a bit...america isn't that one huge global super power / police that you think it is...

The EU does actually have a larger economy than the US and it's military budget can easily increase if the suits in Brussels want to.