Same Sex Marriage Controversial

Marriage is a religious institution, and it has always been between one Man and one Woman since Adam and Eve. The government, whether Federal, State, County, or City, should not have any say-so in determining what marriage means. Marriage is a religious institution, and in the USA, we have freedom of religion without government interference. From my personal religious and moral standpoint, I oppose same sex marriage because the Bible, which is God's Word, says that homosexuality is a sin, and that we should abstain from all forms of sin, because sin is a violation of God's Will. Plus, don't forget the harm that homosexuality does to a person. In addition to various STDs i.e. AIDS, gay bowel disease, and anal cancer, it has been statistically proven that homosexuals live significantly shorter lives than heterosexuals. It's something like 20-30 years shorter. And it is contrary to nature. Marriage is meant to be the union of one Man and one Woman, and sex is meant for reproduction. Period.ZCatan

The institution of marriage has been around before monotheistic religions. Perhaps the word itself may have religious beginings, but it is the word we use to describe these institutions.

Being homosexual is a result of both DNA and the way you live your life.

I read an article and there was a study which claimed that being a criminal depends 30% on your genes and 70% on the way you live your life, friends, society etc.

The same ,they said, is likely to stand for homosexuals, proffesors etc.

So I don't really know why I am posting this but yeah, if a man is homosexual he may have a chance to "turn" straight depending on his lifestyle, if he chooses to.

medic36

[QUOTE="ZCatan"][QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

Then you went and said this aswell

Gay bowel disease?

Are you serious.

Holy **** i might get white only sunburn. come on, be real

I would love to see the proof of that too please

TroubleMaker411

That entire site is pure speculation.

With no data being any newer than 12 years ago.

Something a bit more recent would be better.

[QUOTE="medic36"][QUOTE="LoseEagles1245"]Marriage has been around a lot longer than any religion has so no, it's not a religious institution.Teenaged

Its mostly secular marriage being pursued by homosexual people. Thats what the arguments for it are for.

[QUOTE="medic36"]

Being homosexual is a result of both DNA and the way you live your life.

I read an article and there was a study which claimed that being a criminal depends 30% on your genes and 70% on the way you live your life, friends, society etc.

The same ,they said, is likely to stand for homosexuals, proffesors etc.

So I don't really know why I am posting this but yeah, if a man is homosexual he may have a chance to "turn" straight depending on his lifestyle, if he chooses to.

ZCatan

I'm opposed to same-sex marriage, but not for religious reasons. A man must act with his essence of his being with a woman and vice versa. I do not have any concern for religious institutions if same-sex marriage is legalized however as I have little respect for religion to begin with.Genetic_Code

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"] I am not forcing to follow my religion. When did I every say that? And where does it say in the Bible that you can kill a Welshman with a crossbow? And if everyone would keep their virginity until after marriage, STDs would be eradicated from society.ZCatan

Keeping your virginity until after marriage is again an antiquated religious view that has no place in todays society

What you are saying, is that your government should make sure that your religious views are followed as law. this would force all others to live by that same law whether or not they are religious. This is forcing religion upon people.

I was talking about antiquated laws when i brought up the welshman thing. It is exactly the same. because much like the bible, it was written by men to control the masses. If god wanted to get his word out to everyone, he would text us, or leave a message on my facebook wall.

As it is, if god has a plan, i believe it is simply to let us have our free will and chose to do with our lives hat we please. And if that means laying down with other men, so be it

are you just choosing to ignore parts of what i say.

I did not say the bible said i could kill a welshman, i said there is an ancient law that was never removed that says i can. MUCH LIKE THE ANCIENT AND OBSOLETE LAWS IN THE BIBLE.

I have my free will, and i choose NOT to believe in a god that says some of his "children" are good and others abominations.

Marriage, as said in previous posts, has been around for longer than religion. meaning while it's base may be in modern religion, it is NOT a solely religious act. I did not have a church wedding, and for that, i may burn in hell, and that is my choice. Shouldn't gays be given the same choice?

The government can change a law as to the definition of marriage because it is not a purely religious ritual. so the definaition can be changed while you pray to who ever you please and one does not need to interfere with the other

How can anyone be opposed to gays getting married. It has no effect on your life at all. The immoral/relgious arguments are b.s if god (if he existed) cares about gays getting married he will sort it out when they get to the big pearly gates.

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"] http://www.theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/hosx_lifspn.htmZCatan

That entire site is pure speculation.

With no data being any newer than 12 years ago.

Something a bit more recent would be better.

[QUOTE="ZCatan"]Marriage is a religious institution, and it has always been between one Man and one Woman since Adam and Eve. The government, whether Federal, State, County, or City, should not have any say-so in determining what marriage means. Marriage is a religious institution, and in the USA, we have freedom of religion without government interference. From my personal religious and moral standpoint, I oppose same sex marriage because the Bible, which is God's Word, says that homosexuality is a sin, and that we should abstain from all forms of sin, because sin is a violation of God's Will. Plus, don't forget the harm that homosexuality does to a person. In addition to various STDs i.e. AIDS, gay bowel disease, and anal cancer, it has been statistically proven that homosexuals live significantly shorter lives than heterosexuals. It's something like 20-30 years shorter. And it is contrary to nature. Marriage is meant to be the union of one Man and one Woman, and sex is meant for reproduction. Period.dagreenfish

The institution of marriage has been around before monotheistic religions. Perhaps the word itself may have religious beginings, but it is the word we use to describe these institutions.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="medic36"] So then, homosexuals could have a non-church marriage.medic36

Its mostly secular marriage being pursued by homosexual people. Thats what the arguments for it are for.

Its uneducated-on-the-subject or indifferent people (believers - or not) that want to have a say, to preserve tradition or what have you.

[QUOTE="ZCatan"][QUOTE="medic36"]

Being homosexual is a result of both DNA and the way you live your life.

I read an article and there was a study which claimed that being a criminal depends 30% on your genes and 70% on the way you live your life, friends, society etc.

The same ,they said, is likely to stand for homosexuals, proffesors etc.

So I don't really know why I am posting this but yeah, if a man is homosexual he may have a chance to "turn" straight depending on his lifestyle, if he chooses to.

Melpoe

[QUOTE="medic36"]

Being homosexual is a result of both DNA and the way you live your life.

I read an article and there was a study which claimed that being a criminal depends 30% on your genes and 70% on the way you live your life, friends, society etc.

The same ,they said, is likely to stand for homosexuals, proffesors etc.

So I don't really know why I am posting this but yeah, if a man is homosexual he may have a chance to "turn" straight depending on his lifestyle, if he chooses to.

ZCatan

[QUOTE="LoseEagles1245"]Marriage has been around a lot longer than any religion has so no, it's not a religious institution.medic36

[QUOTE="Melpoe"][QUOTE="ZCatan"] Since when does DNA determine our choice of actions? DNA determines proteins, which in turn determine our form and function. Anybody can resist temptation, given that they listen and heed the Voice of the Holy Spirit.ZCatan

****

then i truely am going to hell.

I mean seriously, you just come off like a crazy basher, not an educated person with his own opinion.

The bigoted views that the church wants to indoctrinate us with, are not our own, and go against our free will

[QUOTE="ZCatan"][QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

Keeping your virginity until after marriage is again an antiquated religious view that has no place in todays society

What you are saying, is that your government should make sure that your religious views are followed as law. this would force all others to live by that same law whether or not they are religious. This is forcing religion upon people.

I was talking about antiquated laws when i brought up the welshman thing. It is exactly the same. because much like the bible, it was written by men to control the masses. If god wanted to get his word out to everyone, he would text us, or leave a message on my facebook wall.

As it is, if god has a plan, i believe it is simply to let us have our free will and chose to do with our lives hat we please. And if that means laying down with other men, so be it

TroubleMaker411

are you just choosing to ignore parts of what i say.

I did not say the bible said i could kill a welshman, i said there is an ancient law that was never removed that says i can. MUCH LIKE THE ANCIENT AND OBSOLETE LAWS IN THE BIBLE.

I have my free will, and i choose NOT to believe in a god that says some of his "children" are good and others abominations.

Marriage, as said in previous posts, has been around for longer than religion. meaning while it's base may be in modern religion, it is NOT a solely religious act. I did not have a church wedding, and for that, i may burn in hell, and that is my choice. Shouldn't gays be given the same choice?

The government can change a law as to the definition of marriage because it is not a purely religious ritual. so the definaition can be changed while you pray to who ever you please and one does not need to interfere with the other

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"] I did not say that my government should make sure that your religious views are followed as law. I said, quote, "The government, whether Federal, State, County, or City, should not have any say-so in determining what marriage means. Marriage is a religious institution, and in the USA, we have freedom of religion without government interference." If you can't show me a verse in the Bible where it gives someone permission to kill a man with a crossbow for trespassing, then I will never believe it. You're right, God gave us a free will. But when Adam and Eve abused their free will and ate the fruit against God's command, what did He do? He punished them with death. God gave us a free will so that we could obey Him willingly, not as mindless robots. Therefore, let us not abuse our free will by sinning against Him. And does God calls homosexuality a sin? Yes, He calls it an "abominable" sin.ZCatan

are you just choosing to ignore parts of what i say.

I did not say the bible said i could kill a welshman, i said there is an ancient law that was never removed that says i can. MUCH LIKE THE ANCIENT AND OBSOLETE LAWS IN THE BIBLE.

I have my free will, and i choose NOT to believe in a god that says some of his "children" are good and others abominations.

Marriage, as said in previous posts, has been around for longer than religion. meaning while it's base may be in modern religion, it is NOT a solely religious act. I did not have a church wedding, and for that, i may burn in hell, and that is my choice. Shouldn't gays be given the same choice?

The government can change a law as to the definition of marriage because it is not a purely religious ritual. so the definaition can be changed while you pray to who ever you please and one does not need to interfere with the other

[QUOTE="Melpoe"][QUOTE="ZCatan"] Every sinful lifestyle begins with the first step: giving into temptation.medic36

If we truly treat it as something inanimous.

I'm for gay marriage. Doesn't bother me. But for those that are against it due to their religious creed, that's fine, but to push for laws that have any influence of religion onto people is wrong. Laws should be created from logic reasoning. And creating a law in California such as Prop 8 has absolutely no logic in it.

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"] I did not say that my government should make sure that your religious views are followed as law. I said, quote, "The government, whether Federal, State, County, or City, should not have any say-so in determining what marriage means. Marriage is a religious institution, and in the USA, we have freedom of religion without government interference." If you can't show me a verse in the Bible where it gives someone permission to kill a man with a crossbow for trespassing, then I will never believe it. You're right, God gave us a free will. But when Adam and Eve abused their free will and ate the fruit against God's command, what did He do? He punished them with death. God gave us a free will so that we could obey Him willingly, not as mindless robots. Therefore, let us not abuse our free will by sinning against Him. And does God calls homosexuality a sin? Yes, He calls it an "abominable" sin.ZCatan

are you just choosing to ignore parts of what i say.

I did not say the bible said i could kill a welshman, i said there is an ancient law that was never removed that says i can. MUCH LIKE THE ANCIENT AND OBSOLETE LAWS IN THE BIBLE.

I have my free will, and i choose NOT to believe in a god that says some of his "children" are good and others abominations.

Marriage, as said in previous posts, has been around for longer than religion. meaning while it's base may be in modern religion, it is NOT a solely religious act. I did not have a church wedding, and for that, i may burn in hell, and that is my choice. Shouldn't gays be given the same choice?

The government can change a law as to the definition of marriage because it is not a purely religious ritual. so the definaition can be changed while you pray to who ever you please and one does not need to interfere with the other

What if the guys who wrote the goddamn bible just lacked the scientific knowledge to know that the Homo Sapiens are NOT the first "human beings" to ever have been created?

edit: lol correction

[QUOTE="medic36"][QUOTE="Melpoe"] Funny, I see believing in a god is giving in to temptations :P. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.Teenaged

If we truly treat it as something inanimous.

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"][QUOTE="ZCatan"] Every sinful lifestyle begins with the first step: giving into temptation.ZCatan

Lol hitler thinks if you did not have clean blood -not bleached with jewish blood or anything other than highland german- blonde hair and blue eyes then you should be murderd (he hated alot of other things as well like homosexuals).

What does god think? if your a homosexual you got to hell... hmm sounds strangely similar.

I think I solved the case!

God...is a dictator (or atleast ur version of god).

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"] I did not say that my government should make sure that your religious views are followed as law. I said, quote, "The government, whether Federal, State, County, or City, should not have any say-so in determining what marriage means. Marriage is a religious institution, and in the USA, we have freedom of religion without government interference." If you can't show me a verse in the Bible where it gives someone permission to kill a man with a crossbow for trespassing, then I will never believe it. You're right, God gave us a free will. But when Adam and Eve abused their free will and ate the fruit against God's command, what did He do? He punished them with death. God gave us a free will so that we could obey Him willingly, not as mindless robots. Therefore, let us not abuse our free will by sinning against Him. And does God calls homosexuality a sin? Yes, He calls it an "abominable" sin.ZCatan

are you just choosing to ignore parts of what i say.

I did not say the bible said i could kill a welshman, i said there is an ancient law that was never removed that says i can. MUCH LIKE THE ANCIENT AND OBSOLETE LAWS IN THE BIBLE.

I have my free will, and i choose NOT to believe in a god that says some of his "children" are good and others abominations.

Marriage, as said in previous posts, has been around for longer than religion. meaning while it's base may be in modern religion, it is NOT a solely religious act. I did not have a church wedding, and for that, i may burn in hell, and that is my choice. Shouldn't gays be given the same choice?

The government can change a law as to the definition of marriage because it is not a purely religious ritual. so the definaition can be changed while you pray to who ever you please and one does not need to interfere with the other

No, I am not a homosexual.

I support gay marriage, and general tolerance towards homosexuals because i think that no matter what your god says, everyone deserves to be accepted for who or what they are if it isn't causing harm to anybody.

And if god loves the sinner, but not the sin, when the sin is forgiven, does that on include the sodomy that is such an abomination.

The bible my friend is not absolute. it only appears that way to those that follow it's teaching unreservedly. And those people that do, are controlled by it, they do not feel like they can question anything. Questioning god, religion and the idea of a supreme being led to science. And that led to every single advancment that we have. Without the ability to question our world, progress is not made.

Neither you, nor any priest ar god fearing bible basher has the right to tell anyone, man or woman what the definition of love and happiness.

The same as i dont. Neither does anyone else here.

What the homosexuals do is completely up to them. would you accept any of your constitionally guranteed rights being taken away because someone from another religion decided that something you do isn't the right way to do it?

[QUOTE="medic36"][QUOTE="Melpoe"] Funny, I see believing in a god is giving in to temptations :P. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.Teenaged

If we truly treat it as something inanimous.

Not necessarily. I would argue that there are different factors that come into play. One must break down the sorts of behaviors and trace their causes in order to fully understand whether or not one can claim that the existence of religion itself is beneficial or harmful. Some may manipulate religion for political propaganda. (to start wars for instance) Other propaganda may very well have been used to manipulate the population were religion not to exist in those circumstances. (see early- mid 1900s, facism, communism...) Those who partake in violent behavior are often psychologically unstable and have other issues that play the causal factor.

Yes. 100%. I believe everyone deserves to be miserable.

No, seriously though. I'm all for it. It's just not fair.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="medic36"] Nah, people are. Really religion has really aided society through the years if normal people chose to interpret religion peacefully. It's not religion's fault if there are extremists. It's people's fault.coolbeans90

If we truly treat it as something inanimous.

Not necessarily. I would argue that there are different factors that come into play. One must break down the sorts of behaviors and trace their causes in order to fully understand whether or not one can claim whether or not it is the existence of religion itself. Some may manipulate religion for political propaganda. (to start wars for instance) Other propaganda may very well have been used to manipulate the population were religion not to exist in those circumstances. (see early- mid 1900s, facism, communism...) Those who partake in violent behavior are often psychologically unstable and have other issues that play the causal factor.

Are you saying that religion cannott be responsible for the bad stuff but can be responsible for the good stuff?

@ TroubleMaker You know, you don't have to go to Hell. There is one Way out.ZCatan

I would burn for eternity with the people i love than be stuck in paradise with a bunch of racist, bigoted, intolerant a-holes with nothing better to do than to bash on those that are diferent

Plus, my wife is a different religion, i would rather be with her than you thanks pal

Actually, according to God, if you've sinned just once, you are going to Hell.ZCatan

Actually, according to God, if you've sinned just once, you are going to Hell.ZCatan

In this day and age it seems absurd for the United States of America supposedly the country of freedom and rights to prohibit basic civil rights to a certain sect of people. How backwards thinking...then again should we even allow homosexuals to vote, and drink from the same water fountains?

I mean really its ridiculous that they can't get married...what harm is it going to cause, no homosexual is going to "force" a straight person into marrying them, to oppose gay marriage is really just lacking common sense.

Then again look at many of the people who do oppose gay marriage. Good ol' Bill O'Reilly doesn't even like the thought of a woman as a single parent...and he thinks allowing gays to marry will possibly open the door to marrying animals...so I suppose you can see the wisdom (or lack thereof) of most of the individuals who are against seeing homosexuals in holy matrimony.

[QUOTE="ZCatan"]Actually, according to God, if you've sinned just once, you are going to Hell.Melpoe

[QUOTE="ZCatan"]Actually, according to God, if you've sinned just once, you are going to Hell.Melpoe

[QUOTE="ZCatan"][QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

are you just choosing to ignore parts of what i say.

I did not say the bible said i could kill a welshman, i said there is an ancient law that was never removed that says i can. MUCH LIKE THE ANCIENT AND OBSOLETE LAWS IN THE BIBLE.

I have my free will, and i choose NOT to believe in a god that says some of his "children" are good and others abominations.

Marriage, as said in previous posts, has been around for longer than religion. meaning while it's base may be in modern religion, it is NOT a solely religious act. I did not have a church wedding, and for that, i may burn in hell, and that is my choice. Shouldn't gays be given the same choice?

The government can change a law as to the definition of marriage because it is not a purely religious ritual. so the definaition can be changed while you pray to who ever you please and one does not need to interfere with the other

TroubleMaker411

No, I am not a homosexual.

I support gay marriage, and general tolerance towards homosexuals because i think that no matter what your god says, everyone deserves to be accepted for who or what they are if it isn't causing harm to anybody.

And if god loves the sinner, but not the sin, when the sin is forgiven, does that on include the sodomy that is such an abomination.

The bible my friend is not absolute. it only appears that way to those that follow it's teaching unreservedly. And those people that do, are controlled by it, they do not feel like they can question anything. Questioning god, religion and the idea of a supreme being led to science. And that led to every single advancment that we have. Without the ability to question our world, progress is not made.

Neither you, nor any priest ar god fearing bible basher has the right to tell anyone, man or woman what the definition of love and happiness.

The same as i dont. Neither does anyone else here.

What the homosexuals do is completely up to them. would you accept any of your constitionally guranteed rights being taken away because someone from another religion decided that something you do isn't the right way to do it?

[QUOTE="ZCatan"]Actually, according to God, if you've sinned just once, you are going to Hell.Melpoe

More like 99.99%...the only ones who are exempt are those still coming down the vaginal canal. (Sorry to those offended by the graphic description :p).

In this day and age it seems absurd for the United States of America supposedly the country of freedom and rights to prohibit basic civil rights to a certain sect of people. How backwards thinking...then again should we even allow homosexuals to vote, and drink from the same water fountains?

I mean really its ridiculous that they can't get married...what harm is it going to cause, no homosexual is going to "force" a straight person into marrying them, to oppose gay marriage is really just lacking common sense.

Then again look at many of the people who do oppose gay marriage. Good ol' Bill O'Reilly doesn't even like the thought of a woman as a single parent...and he thinks allowing gays to marry will possibly open the door to marrying animals...so I suppose you can see the wisdom (or lack thereof) of most of the individuals who are against seeing homosexuals in holy matrimony.

TacticalDesire

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"] I did not say that my government should make sure that your religious views are followed as law. I said, quote, "The government, whether Federal, State, County, or City, should not have any say-so in determining what marriage means. Marriage is a religious institution, and in the USA, we have freedom of religion without government interference." If you can't show me a verse in the Bible where it gives someone permission to kill a man with a crossbow for trespassing, then I will never believe it. You're right, God gave us a free will. But when Adam and Eve abused their free will and ate the fruit against God's command, what did He do? He punished them with death. God gave us a free will so that we could obey Him willingly, not as mindless robots. Therefore, let us not abuse our free will by sinning against Him. And does God calls homosexuality a sin? Yes, He calls it an "abominable" sin.Darkainious

are you just choosing to ignore parts of what i say.

I did not say the bible said i could kill a welshman, i said there is an ancient law that was never removed that says i can. MUCH LIKE THE ANCIENT AND OBSOLETE LAWS IN THE BIBLE.

I have my free will, and i choose NOT to believe in a god that says some of his "children" are good and others abominations.

Marriage, as said in previous posts, has been around for longer than religion. meaning while it's base may be in modern religion, it is NOT a solely religious act. I did not have a church wedding, and for that, i may burn in hell, and that is my choice. Shouldn't gays be given the same choice?

The government can change a law as to the definition of marriage because it is not a purely religious ritual. so the definaition can be changed while you pray to who ever you please and one does not need to interfere with the other

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]If we can argue that religion is not responsible for the bad stuff that came about from people abusing it then it is also not responsible for the good stuff that came about from people using it.

If we truly treat it as something inanimous.

Teenaged

Not necessarily. I would argue that there are different factors that come into play. One must break down the sorts of behaviors and trace their causes in order to fully understand whether or not one can claim whether or not it is the existence of religion itself. Some may manipulate religion for political propaganda. (to start wars for instance) Other propaganda may very well have been used to manipulate the population were religion not to exist in those circumstances. (see early- mid 1900s, facism, communism...) Those who partake in violent behavior are often psychologically unstable and have other issues that play the causal factor.

Are you saying that religion cannott be responsible for the bad stuff but can be responsible for the good stuff?

[QUOTE="Melpoe"][QUOTE="ZCatan"]Actually, according to God, if you've sinned just once, you are going to Hell.calzeta930

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"] I did not say that my government should make sure that your religious views are followed as law. I said, quote, "The government, whether Federal, State, County, or City, should not have any say-so in determining what marriage means. Marriage is a religious institution, and in the USA, we have freedom of religion without government interference." If you can't show me a verse in the Bible where it gives someone permission to kill a man with a crossbow for trespassing, then I will never believe it. You're right, God gave us a free will. But when Adam and Eve abused their free will and ate the fruit against God's command, what did He do? He punished them with death. God gave us a free will so that we could obey Him willingly, not as mindless robots. Therefore, let us not abuse our free will by sinning against Him. And does God calls homosexuality a sin? Yes, He calls it an "abominable" sin.Darkainious

are you just choosing to ignore parts of what i say.

I did not say the bible said i could kill a welshman, i said there is an ancient law that was never removed that says i can. MUCH LIKE THE ANCIENT AND OBSOLETE LAWS IN THE BIBLE.

I have my free will, and i choose NOT to believe in a god that says some of his "children" are good and others abominations.

Marriage, as said in previous posts, has been around for longer than religion. meaning while it's base may be in modern religion, it is NOT a solely religious act. I did not have a church wedding, and for that, i may burn in hell, and that is my choice. Shouldn't gays be given the same choice?

The government can change a law as to the definition of marriage because it is not a purely religious ritual. so the definaition can be changed while you pray to who ever you please and one does not need to interfere with the other

the definition of marriage is not your's to define.

It is societies, and the governments that you rightfully vote into power

no one is asking for gays to be religiously accepted. they are asking for the same legal rights that you have

[QUOTE="calzeta930"][QUOTE="Melpoe"] So I guess 99% of the world is screwed huh? ZCatan

"I trust in Joe Pesci"

- George Carlin

[QUOTE="calzeta930"][QUOTE="Melpoe"] So I guess 99% of the world is screwed huh? ZCatan