Same Sex Marriage Controversial

It's not that I'm comparing them to "illegal activities" I'm simply stating that I have beliefs and if that makes me a bad person because I believe in something then I'm a bad person.

Tomemogus

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Tomemogus"]

I never said I hated anyone smart one. I simply don't think gays should be legally married. As well as I don't think drunks that get DUI's should continue to drive. As well as I don't think rape should be allowed. I also don't like illegal drugs. Does that make me a hateful person cause I have my opinions? If it does alright. At least the ignorant, hate-filled people won't die off... because we'll be able to have have kids. Sorry I'm not more liberal.

Tomemogus

It's not that I'm comparing them to "illegal activities" I'm simply stating that I have beliefs and if that makes me a bad person because I believe in something then I'm a bad person.

I don't think I've ever heard a reasonable argument against the legalization of gay marriage.

[QUOTE="vg_plr77"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]There is also secular marriage since marriage is not necessarily a religious institution.

Teenaged

Secular Marriage and Civil Marriage are sorta the same thing.

Civil marriage or secular marriage is marriage performed by a government official and not a religious organisation.

No, I did not mean Civil Unions. I meant Civil Marriage. Wikilink I believe that was clear when I posted my thoughts, but maybe it was not :?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="vg_plr77"]

Secular Marriage and Civil Marriage are sorta the same thing.

Civil marriage or secular marriage is marriage performed by a government official and not a religious organisation.

vg_plr77

No, I did not mean Civil Unions. I meant Civil Marriage. Wikilink I believe that was clear when I posted my thoughts, but maybe it was not :?

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"]It's my argument. I don't want a gay couple to have the same rights as a normal couple can have. And when I say normal couple I mean MAN and WOMAN. It's that simple. It's apparent that most of you disagree and thats fine. Thats your thoughts. I have my own opinions and they're not gonna change because of a few gay loving people.

Have a nice day.

Danm_999

[QUOTE="vg_plr77"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]If by civil marriage you mean civil unions, then no, they are not the same thing.

Teenaged

No, I did not mean Civil Unions. I meant Civil Marriage. Wikilink I believe that was clear when I posted my thoughts, but maybe it was not :?

No problem ;)

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"]It's my argument. I don't want a gay couple to have the same rights as a normal couple can have. And when I say normal couple I mean MAN and WOMAN. It's that simple. It's apparent that most of you disagree and thats fine. Thats your thoughts. I have my own opinions and they're not gonna change because of a few gay loving people.

Have a nice day.

Darkainious

To me it would be ok if they could obtain a civil union, and get the same benefits as marriage. I do not want the definition of marriage changed though.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"]It's my argument. I don't want a gay couple to have the same rights as a normal couple can have. And when I say normal couple I mean MAN and WOMAN. It's that simple. It's apparent that most of you disagree and thats fine. Thats your thoughts. I have my own opinions and they're not gonna change because of a few gay loving people.

Have a nice day.

Darkainious

Please. Do tell

[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Now we're finally at it. You don't want gay couples to have the same rights (in effect, be second class citizens), based on an emotional opinion. That's quite a bigoted attitude honestly.

TroubleMaker411

Please. Do tell

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] I don't want them to have the same rights, but not for the reasons Tomemogus mentioned.Darkainious

Please. Do tell

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] I don't want them to have the same rights, but not for the reasons Tomemogus mentioned.Darkainious

Please. Do tell

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] I don't want them to have the same rights, but not for the reasons Tomemogus mentioned.Darkainious

Please. Do tell

And who are you to speak for god my friend?

Guaranteeing how ANY diety feels, is simply arrogant.

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] I don't want them to have the same rights, but not for the reasons Tomemogus mentioned.Darkainious

Please. Do tell

[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

Please. Do tell

TroubleMaker411

And who are you to speak for god my friend?

Guaranteeing how ANY diety feels, is simply arrogant.

To me it would be ok if they could obtain a civil union, and get the same benefits as marriage. I do not want the definition of marriage changed though.

Darkainious

On a hypothetical note, would you support marriage being a purely religious institution, where all current/past marriages are grandfathered in as marriages, but all future secular marriage contracts become civil unions effectively bestowing all benefits the former marriage contracts would have bestowed?

So that, effectively, being married bestows zero legal benefits, as marriage would have been kicked out of the government in exchange for universal civil unions. That a couple would have to go to a religious institution to receive their marriage contract if they were to want it?

So that all the marriage titles and labels would transfer over to civil unions, such as husband and wife?

That way, each religious institution could push their own definition of marriage, allowing for full 1st amendment support, no worries about the state forcing churches to do this or that, etc.

Would you support it?

[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

Please. Do tell

Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Darkainious"] It would be ok with me if they could optain a civil union. I am morally opposed to same gender attraction, and I can assure you that though god loves all his children, he is not pleased with the act of being gay or lesbian. Darkainious

On your second question: not always since the people you live with and are part of the same community as you do not believe in the same religion as you or dont believe in any religion or diety at all.

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] I don't want them to have the same rights, but not for the reasons Tomemogus mentioned.Darkainious

Please. Do tell

Don't you think that if there is a god, that I should be spreading the word, and telling everyone my beliefs? Maybe even voting the way god would?

Darkainious

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] It would be ok with me if they could optain a civil union. I am morally opposed to same gender attraction, and I can assure you that though god loves all his children, he is not pleased with the act of being gay or lesbian. Darkainious

And who are you to speak for god my friend?

Guaranteeing how ANY diety feels, is simply arrogant.

Absolutely NOT

I do apologise if you find what i am going to say offensive, but the bible was written by MAN

Mortal Man wrote the bible and added in it's almost prehistoric civilisation's rules to control the less smart. This i feel is shown with the constant, and accepted, slavery in the bible. It was a benefit only available to the rich. If the poor of the world had kept slaves, the bible would have said "have another of your man work for you and you shall be stoned"

the bible was cleverly inflated by the governing class of the world to control the masses.

And much the same as many use it today, you could hide from anything you dont know or understand, behind the bible.

[QUOTE="Darkainious"]

To me it would be ok if they could obtain a civil union, and get the same benefits as marriage. I do not want the definition of marriage changed though.

Lockedge

On a hypothetical note, would you support marriage being a purely religious institution, where all current/past marriages are grandfathered in as marriages, but all future secular marriage contracts become civil unions effectively bestowing all benefits the former marriage contracts would have bestowed?

So that, effectively, being married bestows zero legal benefits, as marriage would have been kicked out of the government in exchange for universal civil unions. That a couple would have to go to a religious institution to receive their marriage contract if they were to want it?

So that all the marriage titles and labels would transfer over to civil unions, such as husband and wife?

That way, each religious institution could push their own definition of marriage, allowing for full 1st amendment support, no worries about the state forcing churches to do this or that, etc.

Would you support it?

[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

And who are you to speak for god my friend?

Guaranteeing how ANY diety feels, is simply arrogant.

TroubleMaker411

Absolutely NOT

I do apologise if you find what i am going to say offensive, but the bible was written by MAN

Mortal Man wrote the bible and added in it's almost prehistoric civilisation's rules to control the less smart. This i feel is shown with the constant, and accepted, slavery in the bible. It was a benefit only available to the rich. If the poor of the world had kept slaves, the bible would have said "have another of your man work for you and you shall be stoned"

the bible was cleverly inflated by the governing class of the world to control the masses.

And much the same as many use it today, you could hide from anything you dont know or understand, behind the bible.

To me it would be ok if they could obtain a civil union, and get the same benefits as marriage. I do not want the definition of marriage changed though.Darkainious

The important thing about the bible is that stories and inspiration from it can be applied in modern times. Yes it was written by man, but it was inspired by god.Darkainious

[QUOTE="Darkainious"]To me it would be ok if they could obtain a civil union, and get the same benefits as marriage. I do not want the definition of marriage changed though.smc91352

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] The important thing about the bible is that stories and inspiration from it can be applied in modern times. Yes it was written by man, but it was inspired by god.Danm_999

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] Its guaranteed in the the bible. Is that enough to say its guaranteed by god?Darkainious

Absolutely NOT

I do apologise if you find what i am going to say offensive, but the bible was written by MAN

Mortal Man wrote the bible and added in it's almost prehistoric civilisation's rules to control the less smart. This i feel is shown with the constant, and accepted, slavery in the bible. It was a benefit only available to the rich. If the poor of the world had kept slaves, the bible would have said "have another of your man work for you and you shall be stoned"

the bible was cleverly inflated by the governing class of the world to control the masses.

And much the same as many use it today, you could hide from anything you dont know or understand, behind the bible.

LMAO, My time machine is free for you to use whenever you fancy.

I agree that the bibles stories and inspiration can be applied today.

But we as a civil society should be able to see that most of the "controlling" parts of the bible were written through fear of the unknown.

Homosexuals fit perfectly into this catagory.

While at the time their motives were not understood, this is not the case now.

While the bible may have been inspired by god, his son and his teachings, it serves as a historical text and shows of the archaic ways of our past

Yes, if that was strictly governmental.Darkainious

Religious institutions would have the right to tell them whether they could be married there or not.Darkainious

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Darkainious"] The important thing about the bible is that stories and inspiration from it can be applied in modern times. Yes it was written by man, but it was inspired by god.Darkainious

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="chathuranga"] No. Showers and toilets are natural to me because I grew up with toilets and showers. I didn't grow up with homosexuality... That is why I find it unnatural. When I have kids or grandkids, maybe they'll have a different perspective on what's natural and unnatural because of their surroundings while growing up.chathuranga

Why not use critical thinking towards our environment? Is it tough or inconvenient? Or both?

Whether it is "natural" or not really does not matter. Homosexuals cannot change their sexuality, most attempts of homosexuals trying to "be straight" end in massive depression, sadness, etc. If it hurts no one, why deny them happiness? "It's unnatural" isn't an adequate reason. Why does it matter if it was unnatural?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

0/10, typing controversial in your topic title doesn't help either but if you are being serious, then I don't think any should care what two men or women do in their bed room. Well two women is hot! but two men EWW!

Tomemogus

I hate when people say we shouldn't care what happens in the bedroom. If theres abuse in the bedroom should that be kept in the bedroom too?

I personally don't have a problem with gays. If they wanna do that crap then whatever. What I do have a problem the whole marriage thing. I understand they want to be married for the benefits that come from marriage, but my problem is for those that would adopt or have kids. I don't think any kid should have gay parents... and I don't care what anyone says... being gay is not normal and kids deserve to have a normal childhood. I think having one parent is better than having two parents of the same sex.

Just my opinions...

Unfortunately the Norman Rockwell family is a fantasy. Few kids get to live what society believes is a normal childhood. And marriage has what to do with adoption? Just because you are married does not mean you want children.

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"]It's not that I'm comparing them to "illegal activities" I'm simply stating that I have beliefs and if that makes me a bad person because I believe in something then I'm a bad person.

Danm_999

Alright I'll use something that makes more sense? How about Pedifiles? Many of them claim they're born that way. Same with Polygamists? People also claim they were born to be into beastiality. Theres a better comparison.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"]It's not that I'm comparing them to "illegal activities" I'm simply stating that I have beliefs and if that makes me a bad person because I believe in something then I'm a bad person.

Tomemogus

Alright I'll use something that makes more sense? How about Pedifiles? Many of them claim they're born that way. Same with Polygamists? People also claim they were born to be into beastiality. Theres a better comparison.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"]It's not that I'm comparing them to "illegal activities" I'm simply stating that I have beliefs and if that makes me a bad person because I believe in something then I'm a bad person.

Tomemogus

Alright I'll use something that makes more sense? How about Pedifiles? Many of them claim they're born that way. Same with Polygamists? People also claim they were born to be into beastiality. Theres a better comparison.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"]

Would they?

I'm not sure they would.

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"] Kid's don't deserve to be raised by gays. It's my opinion and you may feel otherwise, but I think kids deserve better.

Tomemogus

Unfortunately, your opinion does not necessarily correlate with the findings of studies. The majority of children raised by gay parents are well adjusted.

I don't care about your links to whatever sources you have.. You can find anything on the internet today. The fact is your can't procreate being gay It's that simple So that natural part of life is to have sex with the opposite sex. I know animals participate in homosexual things... I've raised rabbits and seen them do it before. I guess if people wanna degrade themselves to the form of animals that have a too small of a brain to not know how their junk works then thats their choice.

My opinion is they gays should find an Island somewhere and go make their own community where they can get married. I suppose the only problem would be they would die off cause they couldn't create offspring.

Wow.

Thats some mighty fine haterade, there. I mean, WOW!

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] I'm not saying you're a bad person, I'm saying you have bigoted beliefs. You contrasted the question of homosexual marriage with the morally unambiguity of rape, drink driving and drug use.

testfactor888

Alright I'll use something that makes more sense? How about Pedifiles? Many of them claim they're born that way. Same with Polygamists? People also claim they were born to be into beastiality. Theres a better comparison.

A 14 year old can consent to having sex with a 30 year old. Legally it doesn't work, but maybe in a few years we'll get the rights for that 14 year old. Animals to come in later years.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"]

Alright I'll use something that makes more sense? How about Pedifiles? Many of them claim they're born that way. Same with Polygamists? People also claim they were born to be into beastiality. Theres a better comparison.

Tomemogus

A 14 year old can consent to having sex with a 30 year old. Legally it doesn't work, but maybe in a few years we'll get the rights for that 14 year old. Animals to come in later years.

[QUOTE="chathuranga"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]But should we let our environment affect us unchecked and unchallenged?

Why not use critical thinking towards our environment? Is it tough or inconvenient? Or both?

Pixel-Pirate

Whether it is "natural" or not really does not matter. Homosexuals cannot change their sexuality, most attempts of homosexuals trying to "be straight" end in massive depression, sadness, etc. If it hurts no one, why deny them happiness? "It's unnatural" isn't an adequate reason. Why does it matter if it was unnatural?

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

[QUOTE="Tomemogus"]

Alright I'll use something that makes more sense? How about Pedifiles? Many of them claim they're born that way. Same with Polygamists? People also claim they were born to be into beastiality. Theres a better comparison.

Tomemogus

A 14 year old can consent to having sex with a 30 year old. Legally it doesn't work, but maybe in a few years we'll get the rights for that 14 year old. Animals to come in later years.

The pedophilia-homosexuality comparison not only doesn't make sense, it's pretty offensive. Changing the age of consent is a whole different issue, irrelevant to gay marriage (which is between two consenting adults), so I don't see why you'd bring it up.

A 14 year old can consent to having sex with a 30 year old. Legally it doesn't work, but maybe in a few years we'll get the rights for that 14 year old. Animals to come in later years.

Tomemogus

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] It would be ok with me if they could optain a civil union. I am morally opposed to same gender attraction, and I can assure you that though god loves all his children, he is not pleased with the act of being gay or lesbian. Darkainious

And who are you to speak for god my friend?

Guaranteeing how ANY diety feels, is simply arrogant.

No, not really. No more than an unauthorized biography of Obama that says he hates X group of people is good enough to say it's garunteed he thinks that way.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="chathuranga"] I have, and I have arrived at the same conclusion. Homosexuality is unnatural.chathuranga

Whether it is "natural" or not really does not matter. Homosexuals cannot change their sexuality, most attempts of homosexuals trying to "be straight" end in massive depression, sadness, etc. If it hurts no one, why deny them happiness? "It's unnatural" isn't an adequate reason. Why does it matter if it was unnatural?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="chathuranga"] I have, and I have arrived at the same conclusion. Homosexuality is unnatural.chathuranga

Whether it is "natural" or not really does not matter. Homosexuals cannot change their sexuality, most attempts of homosexuals trying to "be straight" end in massive depression, sadness, etc. If it hurts no one, why deny them happiness? "It's unnatural" isn't an adequate reason. Why does it matter if it was unnatural?

So do you think that you could wake up tomorrow and just "decide" to be gay I don't know about you, but I couldn't. How would you make a choice like that?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="chathuranga"] I have, and I have arrived at the same conclusion. Homosexuality is unnatural.chathuranga

Whether it is "natural" or not really does not matter. Homosexuals cannot change their sexuality, most attempts of homosexuals trying to "be straight" end in massive depression, sadness, etc. If it hurts no one, why deny them happiness? "It's unnatural" isn't an adequate reason. Why does it matter if it was unnatural?

So you believe people wake up and decide it'd be a good idea to be descriminated by people?

Kay.

[QUOTE="chathuranga"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Whether it is "natural" or not really does not matter. Homosexuals cannot change their sexuality, most attempts of homosexuals trying to "be straight" end in massive depression, sadness, etc. If it hurts no one, why deny them happiness? "It's unnatural" isn't an adequate reason. Why does it matter if it was unnatural?

Lockedge

Genetics are biological, no?