Sarah Palin says 17-year-old daughter Bristol is pregnant

Is a pregant 17 year old really that big of a deal anymore? 15 or under, maybe...but 17? Nah, no biggie really.

What bothers me is that the daughter could be forced to make a decision (keep the baby) she doesnt want to make for political purposes, as the McCain crowd is prolife iirc.

As for reputation, doesnt matter to me. Its her daughter, she is her own person, and does not influence Palin or McCain.

Is a pregant 17 year old really that big of a deal anymore? 15 or under, maybe...but 17? Nah, no biggie really.

What bothers me is that the daughter could be forced to make a decision (keep the baby) she doesnt want to make for political purposes, as the McCain crowd is prolife iirc.

As for reputation, doesnt matter to me. Its her daughter, she is her own person, and does not influence Palin or McCain.

mrbojangles25

That is what I've been trying to say the whole time.

Why does anyone care about this? It doesn't matter for the same reason that the Jeremiah Wright thing doesn't matter: it's not a reflection on the candidate.Funky_Llama

when a candidate preaches against what her daughter did and strongly believes it and runs for V.P, yes people will talk about it and believe it or not, it does matter. Also, this in no way can compare to the Wright issue.

So if this is a private family matter.... why is it Palin uses her public position to support anti-abortion causes, and McCain supported abstinence only education. Apparently it is a private matter right up until it hits the border of their family, then they get to tell everyone else what to do.duxup

I fail to see how a politician's daughter getting pregnant = anti-abortion cause/policies. This is a private matter for that family, as are all abortion cases. Some people, like Palin and other conservatives, believe that abortion should be an option for that private family matter. As for abstinence only....I don't know what to tell you. I've been through several sex ed classes in my time, heard all the warnings, the issues, etc about sex, as did my classmates, yet nearly everyone went otu and ignored all that stuff. Would giving them condoms and whatever solve problems? No, not really, because when you get right down to it, it is a personal choice between two people, and no amount of education will stop them from making certain decisions.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why does anyone care about this? It doesn't matter for the same reason that the Jeremiah Wright thing doesn't matter: it's not a reflection on the candidate.Tjeremiah1988

when a candidate preaches against what her daughter did and strongly believes it and runs for V.P, yes people will talk about it and believe it or not, it does matter. Also, this in no way can compare to the Wright issue.

I am a huge Obama suporter, but this is very comparable to the Wright issue, and should be viewed in the same way. When you run for office in today's "day and age", your entire life is on display. You must be able to roll with the punches. And just like the Wright issue, this whole teenage pregnacy shows a lack of judgment. It is not good that her daughter is pregers, but it was not good that Wright was Obama's pastor. In the end it does not matter. Obama denounced Wright, and Palin's daughter will do whatever it is she does. I care about these things, because it is how the canadates deal with them that gives us an insight into their values. Nobody is perfect, some people just think they are.

[QUOTE="duxup"]So if this is a private family matter.... why is it Palin uses her public position to support anti-abortion causes, and McCain supported abstinence only education. Apparently it is a private matter right up until it hits the border of their family, then they get to tell everyone else what to do.hokies1313

I fail to see how a politician's daughter getting pregnant = anti-abortion cause/policies. This is a private matter for that family, as are all abortion cases. Some people, like Palin and other conservatives, believe that abortion should be an option for that private family matter. As for abstinence only....I don't know what to tell you. I've been through several sex ed classes in my time, heard all the warnings, the issues, etc about sex, as did my classmates, yet nearly everyone went otu and ignored all that stuff. Would giving them condoms and whatever solve problems? No, not really, because when you get right down to it, it is a personal choice between two people, and no amount of education will stop them from making certain decisions.

If it is a private family matter, why should that same politician try to intervene in other family's lives on the same topic?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why does anyone care about this? It doesn't matter for the same reason that the Jeremiah Wright thing doesn't matter: it's not a reflection on the candidate.Tjeremiah1988

when a candidate preaches against what her daughter did and strongly believes it and runs for V.P, yes people will talk about it and believe it or not, it does matter. Also, this in no way can compare to the Wright issue.

No, it doesn't matter. Palin isn't responsible for her daughter's pregnancy; how the hell would this affect people's perceptions of her?

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why does anyone care about this? It doesn't matter for the same reason that the Jeremiah Wright thing doesn't matter: it's not a reflection on the candidate.eggdog1234

when a candidate preaches against what her daughter did and strongly believes it and runs for V.P, yes people will talk about it and believe it or not, it does matter. Also, this in no way can compare to the Wright issue.

I am a huge Obama suporter, but this is very comparable to the Wright issue, and should be viewed in the same way. When you run for office in today's "day and age", your entire life is on display. You must be able to roll with the punches. And just like the Wright issue, this whole teenage pregnacy shows a lack of judgment. It is not good that her daughter is pregers, but it was not good that Wright was Obama's pastor. In the end it does not matter. Obama denounced Wright, and Palin's daughter will do whatever it is she does. I care about these things, because it is how the canadates deal with them that gives us an insight into their values. Nobody is perfect, some people just think they are.

Obama didnt believe any of what Wright was preaching (racism) and didnt preach the same way he was "taught" to his children.

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why does anyone care about this? It doesn't matter for the same reason that the Jeremiah Wright thing doesn't matter: it's not a reflection on the candidate.Funky_Llama

when a candidate preaches against what her daughter did and strongly believes it and runs for V.P, yes people will talk about it and believe it or not, it does matter. Also, this in no way can compare to the Wright issue.

No, it doesn't matter. Palin isn't responsible for her daughter's pregnancy; how the hell would this affect people's perceptions of her?

how can you say it doesnt matter. It does matter. Palin is responsible for her under aged child! What are parents for? Believe it or not , not many believe in sex before marriage, ironic, Palin does too.

[QUOTE="hokies1313"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]So if this is a private family matter.... why is it Palin uses her public position to support anti-abortion causes, and McCain supported abstinence only education. Apparently it is a private matter right up until it hits the border of their family, then they get to tell everyone else what to do.duxup

I fail to see how a politician's daughter getting pregnant = anti-abortion cause/policies. This is a private matter for that family, as are all abortion cases. Some people, like Palin and other conservatives, believe that abortion should be an option for that private family matter. As for abstinence only....I don't know what to tell you. I've been through several sex ed classes in my time, heard all the warnings, the issues, etc about sex, as did my classmates, yet nearly everyone went otu and ignored all that stuff. Would giving them condoms and whatever solve problems? No, not really, because when you get right down to it, it is a personal choice between two people, and no amount of education will stop them from making certain decisions.

If it is a private family matter, why should that same politician try to intervene in other family's lives on the same topic?

Abortion is a national issue. The pregancy of a politicians daughter, is not.

There are huge moral implications of Abortion and so on and so forth. There is not a political issue in the fact that a daughter of a politican got pregnant, is about to get married, and wants to keep the baby.

If found this pretty hilarious considering her "no sex education in school" view.deshields538

Chances are, Desh, that she would have had sex regardless of any sexual education class.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why does anyone care about this? It doesn't matter for the same reason that the Jeremiah Wright thing doesn't matter: it's not a reflection on the candidate.Tjeremiah1988

when a candidate preaches against what her daughter did and strongly believes it and runs for V.P, yes people will talk about it and believe it or not, it does matter. Also, this in no way can compare to the Wright issue.

No, it doesn't matter. Palin isn't responsible for her daughter's pregnancy; how the hell would this affect people's perceptions of her?

how can you say it doesnt matter. It does matter. Palin is responsible for her under aged child! What are parents for? Believe it or not , not many believe in sex before marriage, ironic, Palin does too.

Parents have only a limited degree of responsibility for their children. It's not like you can hold the parent accountable for their child's every action.

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why does anyone care about this? It doesn't matter for the same reason that the Jeremiah Wright thing doesn't matter: it's not a reflection on the candidate.Funky_Llama

when a candidate preaches against what her daughter did and strongly believes it and runs for V.P, yes people will talk about it and believe it or not, it does matter. Also, this in no way can compare to the Wright issue.

No, it doesn't matter. Palin isn't responsible for her daughter's pregnancy; how the hell would this affect people's perceptions of her?

how can you say it doesnt matter. It does matter. Palin is responsible for her under aged child! What are parents for? Believe it or not , not many believe in sex before marriage, ironic, Palin does too.

Parents have only a limited degree of responsibility for their children. It's not like you can hold the parent accountable for their child's every action.

shes a child, they are parents for a reason and are here for a reason. I can hold the parents accountable.

[QUOTE="eggdog1234"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why does anyone care about this? It doesn't matter for the same reason that the Jeremiah Wright thing doesn't matter: it's not a reflection on the candidate.Tjeremiah1988

when a candidate preaches against what her daughter did and strongly believes it and runs for V.P, yes people will talk about it and believe it or not, it does matter. Also, this in no way can compare to the Wright issue.

I am a huge Obama suporter, but this is very comparable to the Wright issue, and should be viewed in the same way. When you run for office in today's "day and age", your entire life is on display. You must be able to roll with the punches. And just like the Wright issue, this whole teenage pregnacy shows a lack of judgment. It is not good that her daughter is pregers, but it was not good that Wright was Obama's pastor. In the end it does not matter. Obama denounced Wright, and Palin's daughter will do whatever it is she does. I care about these things, because it is how the canadates deal with them that gives us an insight into their values. Nobody is perfect, some people just think they are.

Obama didnt believe any of what Wright was preaching (racism) and didnt preach the same way he was "taught" to his children.

Just like Palin doesn't believe anything her daughter is doing is right. However in my mind all it shows is an error in judgment, no more or less. I feel bad for Palin's daughter, her life is now forfeit.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why does anyone care about this? It doesn't matter for the same reason that the Jeremiah Wright thing doesn't matter: it's not a reflection on the candidate.Tjeremiah1988

when a candidate preaches against what her daughter did and strongly believes it and runs for V.P, yes people will talk about it and believe it or not, it does matter. Also, this in no way can compare to the Wright issue.

No, it doesn't matter. Palin isn't responsible for her daughter's pregnancy; how the hell would this affect people's perceptions of her?

how can you say it doesnt matter. It does matter. Palin is responsible for her under aged child! What are parents for? Believe it or not , not many believe in sex before marriage, ironic, Palin does too.

Parents have only a limited degree of responsibility for their children. It's not like you can hold the parent accountable for their child's every action.

shes a child, they are parents for a reason and are here for a reason. I can hold the parents accountable.

No you can't. The decision to have sex was made by Bristol and her boyfriend. Sarah Palin had NOTHING to do with that choice, and could have preached safe sex and all that till she was blue in the face and this outcome still could have arisen

[QUOTE="deshields538"]If found this pretty hilarious considering her "no sex education in school" view.hokies1313

Chances are, Desh, that she would have had sex regardless of any sexual education class.

maybe... maybe. Sex ed can give you the facts and provide advice but some people are stupid enough to go out and ignore it.

[QUOTE="hokies1313"]

[QUOTE="deshields538"]If found this pretty hilarious considering her "no sex education in school" view.deshields538

Chances are, Desh, that she would have had sex regardless of any sexual education class.

maybe... maybe. Sex ed can give you the facts and provide advice but some people are stupid enough to go out and ignore it.

Well, let me tell you, in my experience about 90% of the people who sit through those classes will go out and have sex nearly the first chance they get.

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]So if this is a private family matter.... why is it Palin uses her public position to support anti-abortion causes, and McCain supported abstinence only education. Apparently it is a private matter right up until it hits the border of their family, then they get to tell everyone else what to do.hokies1313

I fail to see how a politician's daughter getting pregnant = anti-abortion cause/policies. This is a private matter for that family, as are all abortion cases. Some people, like Palin and other conservatives, believe that abortion should be an option for that private family matter. As for abstinence only....I don't know what to tell you. I've been through several sex ed classes in my time, heard all the warnings, the issues, etc about sex, as did my classmates, yet nearly everyone went otu and ignored all that stuff. Would giving them condoms and whatever solve problems? No, not really, because when you get right down to it, it is a personal choice between two people, and no amount of education will stop them from making certain decisions.

If it is a private family matter, why should that same politician try to intervene in other family's lives on the same topic?

Abortion is a national issue. The pregancy of a politicians daughter, is not.

There are huge moral implications of Abortion and so on and so forth. There is not a political issue in the fact that a daughter of a politican got pregnant, is about to get married, and wants to keep the baby.

Sex ed and abortion, they're either private matters or not. I don't see how someone can play it saying it is a private matter when it comes to their life, but the same people choose to step in and use the government to dictate how other people handle it...

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why does anyone care about this? It doesn't matter for the same reason that the Jeremiah Wright thing doesn't matter: it's not a reflection on the candidate.hokies1313

when a candidate preaches against what her daughter did and strongly believes it and runs for V.P, yes people will talk about it and believe it or not, it does matter. Also, this in no way can compare to the Wright issue.

No, it doesn't matter. Palin isn't responsible for her daughter's pregnancy; how the hell would this affect people's perceptions of her?

how can you say it doesnt matter. It does matter. Palin is responsible for her under aged child! What are parents for? Believe it or not , not many believe in sex before marriage, ironic, Palin does too.

Parents have only a limited degree of responsibility for their children. It's not like you can hold the parent accountable for their child's every action.

shes a child, they are parents for a reason and are here for a reason. I can hold the parents accountable.

No you can't. The decision to have sex was made by Bristol and her boyfriend. Sarah Palin had NOTHING to do with that choice, and could have preached safe sex and all that till she was blue in the face and this outcome still could have arisen

and that somehow makes the parents unaccountable? Apparently something went wrong with what they were preaching to her.

[QUOTE="deshields538"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]

[QUOTE="deshields538"]If found this pretty hilarious considering her "no sex education in school" view.hokies1313

Chances are, Desh, that she would have had sex regardless of any sexual education class.

maybe... maybe. Sex ed can give you the facts and provide advice but some people are stupid enough to go out and ignore it.

Well, let me tell you, in my experience about 90% of the people who sit through those classes will go out and have sex nearly the first chance they get.

Well in my experiance they have had the opposite effect. Over here most people realise the dangers and avoid it until they are mature enough to deal with it. But like I said... there are the odd few.

[QUOTE="hokies1313"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]So if this is a private family matter.... why is it Palin uses her public position to support anti-abortion causes, and McCain supported abstinence only education. Apparently it is a private matter right up until it hits the border of their family, then they get to tell everyone else what to do.duxup

I fail to see how a politician's daughter getting pregnant = anti-abortion cause/policies. This is a private matter for that family, as are all abortion cases. Some people, like Palin and other conservatives, believe that abortion should be an option for that private family matter. As for abstinence only....I don't know what to tell you. I've been through several sex ed classes in my time, heard all the warnings, the issues, etc about sex, as did my classmates, yet nearly everyone went otu and ignored all that stuff. Would giving them condoms and whatever solve problems? No, not really, because when you get right down to it, it is a personal choice between two people, and no amount of education will stop them from making certain decisions.

If it is a private family matter, why should that same politician try to intervene in other family's lives on the same topic?

Abortion is a national issue. The pregancy of a politicians daughter, is not.

There are huge moral implications of Abortion and so on and so forth. There is not a political issue in the fact that a daughter of a politican got pregnant, is about to get married, and wants to keep the baby.

Sex ed and abortion, they're either private matters or not. I don't see how someone can play it saying it is a private matter when it comes to their life, but the same people choose to step in and use the government to dictate how other people handle it...

There's a political aspect to abortion that makes it a national issue. Is the abortion of a child murder or acceptable? Up to what point is it acceptable? When does life begin? So on and so forth. Bristol Palin's case has NOTHING to do with abortion besides the fact that she is not going to have an abortion.

Now as for sex ed. I don't know what to say, it's failing, to say the least. Will it be any better if the government just stepped out of it all together and let parents handle it? Who knows.

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="hokies1313"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]So if this is a private family matter.... why is it Palin uses her public position to support anti-abortion causes, and McCain supported abstinence only education. Apparently it is a private matter right up until it hits the border of their family, then they get to tell everyone else what to do.hokies1313

I fail to see how a politician's daughter getting pregnant = anti-abortion cause/policies. This is a private matter for that family, as are all abortion cases. Some people, like Palin and other conservatives, believe that abortion should be an option for that private family matter. As for abstinence only....I don't know what to tell you. I've been through several sex ed classes in my time, heard all the warnings, the issues, etc about sex, as did my classmates, yet nearly everyone went otu and ignored all that stuff. Would giving them condoms and whatever solve problems? No, not really, because when you get right down to it, it is a personal choice between two people, and no amount of education will stop them from making certain decisions.

If it is a private family matter, why should that same politician try to intervene in other family's lives on the same topic?

Abortion is a national issue. The pregancy of a politicians daughter, is not.

There are huge moral implications of Abortion and so on and so forth. There is not a political issue in the fact that a daughter of a politican got pregnant, is about to get married, and wants to keep the baby.

Sex ed and abortion, they're either private matters or not. I don't see how someone can play it saying it is a private matter when it comes to their life, but the same people choose to step in and use the government to dictate how other people handle it...

There's a political aspect to abortion that makes it a national issue. Is the abortion of a child murder or acceptable? Up to what point is it acceptable? When does life begin? So on and so forth. Bristol Palin's case has NOTHING to do with abortion besides the fact that she is not going to have an abortion.

Now as for sex ed. I don't know what to say, it's failing, to say the least. Will it be any better if the government just stepped out of it all together and let parents handle it? Who knows.

just because kids in your area or what you witness are having sex doesnt mean sex ed as a whole is failing.

and that somehow makes the parents unaccountable? Apparently something went wrong with what they were preaching to her. Tjeremiah1988

Kids don't always listen to parents. I think that has been established. LOL

[QUOTE="hokies1313"][QUOTE="deshields538"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]

[QUOTE="deshields538"]If found this pretty hilarious considering her "no sex education in school" view.deshields538

Chances are, Desh, that she would have had sex regardless of any sexual education class.

maybe... maybe. Sex ed can give you the facts and provide advice but some people are stupid enough to go out and ignore it.

Well, let me tell you, in my experience about 90% of the people who sit through those classes will go out and have sex nearly the first chance they get.

Well in my experiance they have had the opposite effect. Over here most people realise the dangers and avoid it until they are mature enough to deal with it. But like I said... there are the odd few.

Perhaps it is different between out two countries, or that my school was just insanely sex driven, who knows. Perhaps our sex education programs are different. It's just that, here in America, a 17 year old having sex, when her mother preached abstinance and blah blah blah, isn't all that uncommon.

[QUOTE="hokies1313"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="hokies1313"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]So if this is a private family matter.... why is it Palin uses her public position to support anti-abortion causes, and McCain supported abstinence only education. Apparently it is a private matter right up until it hits the border of their family, then they get to tell everyone else what to do.Tjeremiah1988

I fail to see how a politician's daughter getting pregnant = anti-abortion cause/policies. This is a private matter for that family, as are all abortion cases. Some people, like Palin and other conservatives, believe that abortion should be an option for that private family matter. As for abstinence only....I don't know what to tell you. I've been through several sex ed classes in my time, heard all the warnings, the issues, etc about sex, as did my classmates, yet nearly everyone went otu and ignored all that stuff. Would giving them condoms and whatever solve problems? No, not really, because when you get right down to it, it is a personal choice between two people, and no amount of education will stop them from making certain decisions.

If it is a private family matter, why should that same politician try to intervene in other family's lives on the same topic?

Abortion is a national issue. The pregancy of a politicians daughter, is not.

There are huge moral implications of Abortion and so on and so forth. There is not a political issue in the fact that a daughter of a politican got pregnant, is about to get married, and wants to keep the baby.

Sex ed and abortion, they're either private matters or not. I don't see how someone can play it saying it is a private matter when it comes to their life, but the same people choose to step in and use the government to dictate how other people handle it...

There's a political aspect to abortion that makes it a national issue. Is the abortion of a child murder or acceptable? Up to what point is it acceptable? When does life begin? So on and so forth. Bristol Palin's case has NOTHING to do with abortion besides the fact that she is not going to have an abortion.

Now as for sex ed. I don't know what to say, it's failing, to say the least. Will it be any better if the government just stepped out of it all together and let parents handle it? Who knows.

just because kids in your area or what you witness are having sex doesnt mean sex ed as a whole is failing.

You're correct, but if you look at the growing trend across America, it doesn't seem to be all that uncommon.

There's a political aspect to abortion that makes it a national issue. Is the abortion of a child murder or acceptable? Up to what point is it acceptable? When does life begin? So on and so forth. Bristol Palin's case has NOTHING to do with abortion besides the fact that she is not going to have an abortion.

Now as for sex ed. I don't know what to say, it's failing, to say the least. Will it be any better if the government just stepped out of it all together and let parents handle it? Who knows.

hokies1313

So it is a private matter only if people do as they do? Otherwise the same people can dictate to others how they should handle a situation?

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]and that somehow makes the parents unaccountable? Apparently something went wrong with what they were preaching to her. TSCombo

Kids don't always listen to parents. I think that has been established. LOL

all im saying is kids arent born knowing what they know now. It starts with parenting and not every kids mom is running for VP. Palin strongly goes against what her daughter did and its nothing but a slap to her, her family, and her beliefs. Since shes preaches what she does and her own kid goes out and get pregnant, it doesnt paint a pretty picture for what could be the next VP. People praise her for having 5 kids but it also shows she cant even control one.

I like how everyone here are now "parenting experts."

I'm voting McCain, but even I think there shouldn't be Abstinence Only Sex Education, mainly cause it leads to a ton of other problems. This country has to stop thinking sex is evil.

But as I said, this isn't a reflection of Sarah Palin.

If your parents were able to control you at 17, then you really must've had some VERY controlling and intrusive parents.

At 17 you can start deciding what is right and wrong, and whats risky and not risky. Her daughter was having sex, lord knows what happened, and she got pregnant. This isn't a taboo, thats what happens, its a thing called "life."

matter only if people do as they do? Otherwise the same people can dictate to others how they should handle a situation? duxup

It's private but because there is nothing else political about it. If she had an abortion then it would be an issue, otherwise it's a situation that many parents deal with and her daughter is sticking to a non-abortion stance. What's the deal?

[QUOTE="hokies1313"]

There's a political aspect to abortion that makes it a national issue. Is the abortion of a child murder or acceptable? Up to what point is it acceptable? When does life begin? So on and so forth. Bristol Palin's case has NOTHING to do with abortion besides the fact that she is not going to have an abortion.

Now as for sex ed. I don't know what to say, it's failing, to say the least. Will it be any better if the government just stepped out of it all together and let parents handle it? Who knows.

duxup

So it is a private matter only if people do as they do? Otherwise the same people can dictate to others how they should handle a situation?

No, what I am trying to say is that abortion as a whole is a national issue, has been for years. I have no idea what is right or wrong in abortion. Bristol Palin's pregnancy is not a national issue and has nothing to do with politics. The general issue of abortion is a national political hot topic. We don't single out say Mrs. Jones because she wants an abortion, just as Sarah Palin and her family shouldn't be singled out for their private issue.

The debate on Abortion has nothing to do with individual people, but has to do with the practice of abortion as a whole. Please don't confuse me as someone who preaches anti-abortion or whatever, I'm Pro-choice, I feel it isn't my place to tell someone what to do with their body/child. Now does everyone think the way I do? No. And unfortunately a lot of people who are pro-life have the power to make abortion a public matter.

Short and sweet: A single pregnancy is a private matter, the general practice of abortion is a public matter.

[QUOTE="TSCombo"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]and that somehow makes the parents unaccountable? Apparently something went wrong with what they were preaching to her. Tjeremiah1988

Kids don't always listen to parents. I think that has been established. LOL

all im saying is kids arent born knowing what they know now. It starts with parenting and not every kids mom is running for VP. Palin strongly goes against what her daughter did and its nothing but a slap to her, her family, and her beliefs. Since shes preaches what she does and her own kid goes out and get pregnant, it doesnt paint a pretty picture for what could be the next VP. People praise her for having 5 kids but it also shows she cant even control one.

Get off your milk crate and try swinging that judgmental pendulum the other way pal.

If your parents were able to control you at 17, then you probably had EXTREMELY controlling parents. At 17, your old enough to make your own decisions.

Perhaps it is different between out two countries, or that my school was just insanely sex driven, who knows. Perhaps our sex education programs are different. It's just that, here in America, a 17 year old having sex, when her mother preached abstinance and blah blah blah, isn't all that uncommon.

hokies1313

I think that's pretty similar to Britain, but no-one really cares that much if teenagers have sex once they're 16 as long as they use protection, and I don't know anyone stupid enough not to. Sex ed will not stop teenagers having sex, but hopefully it will encourage them to use a condom. Trying to stop Homo Sapiens having sex is doomed to failure, IMO, since we're worse than bonoboes, but the important thing is the protection.

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="TSCombo"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]and that somehow makes the parents unaccountable? Apparently something went wrong with what they were preaching to her. InterpolWilco

Kids don't always listen to parents. I think that has been established. LOL

all im saying is kids arent born knowing what they know now. It starts with parenting and not every kids mom is running for VP. Palin strongly goes against what her daughter did and its nothing but a slap to her, her family, and her beliefs. Since shes preaches what she does and her own kid goes out and get pregnant, it doesnt paint a pretty picture for what could be the next VP. People praise her for having 5 kids but it also shows she cant even control one.

Get off your milk crate and try swinging that judgmental pendulum the other way pal.

If your parents were able to control you at 17, then you probably had EXTREMELY controlling parents. At 17, your old enough to make your own decisions.

you fail to understand shes a child that lives in her parents home which strongly goes agaisnt what she did. Thats a problem. Not everyones mom is milk and cookies. In this case, this mom isnt milk and cookie. It isnt bad to have some strict rules or "controlling parents".

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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]and that somehow makes the parents unaccountable? Apparently something went wrong with what they were preaching to her. Tjeremiah1988

Kids don't always listen to parents. I think that has been established. LOL

all im saying is kids arent born knowing what they know now. It starts with parenting and not every kids mom is running for VP. Palin strongly goes against what her daughter did and its nothing but a slap to her, her family, and her beliefs. Since shes preaches what she does and her own kid goes out and get pregnant, it doesnt paint a pretty picture for what could be the next VP. People praise her for having 5 kids but it also shows she cant even control one.

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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]and that somehow makes the parents unaccountable? Apparently something went wrong with what they were preaching to her. TSCombo

Kids don't always listen to parents. I think that has been established. LOL

all im saying is kids arent born knowing what they know now. It starts with parenting and not every kids mom is running for VP. Palin strongly goes against what her daughter did and its nothing but a slap to her, her family, and her beliefs. Since shes preaches what she does and her own kid goes out and get pregnant, it doesnt paint a pretty picture for what could be the next VP. People praise her for having 5 kids but it also shows she cant even control one.

this isnt the only issue as to why I dont see her or many to see her fit to be VP. Ill get into that in another thread.

this isnt the only issue as to why I dont see her or many to see her fit to be VP. Ill get into that in another thread. Tjeremiah1988

Though I laugh at her and tell her to eat her guiding "moral compass".. I fail to see logically how this will affect her position if she becomes VP.. Honestly politics in the US are childish, where it seems like the "family values" of these people are more important then their actual creditentials, experience, views, and plans..sSubZerOo

thats what happens when people vote more based on "morals" than anything else..

It's not Palin's fault.

I like Obama and all, but if this counts against Palin then the crazy pastor counts against Obama.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Though I laugh at her and tell her to eat her guiding "moral compass".. I fail to see logically how this will affect her position if she becomes VP.. Honestly politics in the US are childish, where it seems like the "family values" of these people are more important then their actual creditentials, experience, views, and plans..comp_atkins

thats what happens when people vote more based on "morals" than anything else..

Which is why I can say how childish our political election race has become in past years compared to many other first world nations.. Hell it bothers me the fact that Bush won last election (not that he won but how) by swinging 10 to 12 states on making being against gay marriage his MAIN issue.. Not the economy, not public schools, not the war in Iraq etc etc..

it'z not a good look for her. on my way to work i already heard ppl saying if she can't control morals with her own children...what makes her think she is right for the country? no matter how you slice it America has always pride on the squeaky clean image when it came to family values, why change now? i would like to see how they play this one out.

personally i don't care...but i do care if old ass senile Mc Cain decides to kick the bucket how would it look that a person no one knows or hardly even heard about becomes prez?