School cancels prom because of Lesbian couple

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#251 T_P_O
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No it is about her actions (who she brings with her), if it were about her "orientation" (tendencies/temptations is a more accurate word), then gay people would've been barred, no matter who they brought with them.whipassmt
Yeah, who she wanted to bring with her was linked to her orientation (and only to you, mayhaps), why would someone in a same-sex relationship want to take someone of the opposite sex on a prom date instead of their committed partner? That's just absurd.
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#252 T_P_O
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Well, I've never seen or heard of women in tuxedos.whipassmt

That just tells me you personally, find it odd. How does this relate to society setting a standard?

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#253 Darth-Caedus
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Oh for ***** sake...humanity disgusts me sometimes....
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#254 whipassmt
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"] No it is about her actions (who she brings with her), if it were about her "orientation" (tendencies/temptations is a more accurate word), then gay people would've been barred, no matter who they brought with them.T_P_O
Yeah, who she wanted to bring with her was linked to her orientation (and only to you, mayhaps), why would someone in a same-sex relationship want to take someone of the opposite sex on a prom date instead of their committed partner? That's just absurd.

what exactly is an "orientation" (doesn't it mean the compass facing East or West, or North or South). Any way what I'm saying is it wasn't about her "being" gay per se, but because of a "choice" she made (ie. to break the rules), I didn't that what she "did" was not related to what she "did", but that's the case with everyone, who you "are" affects what you "do", "rebellious" people "rebel" against rules. What she wants to do is irrelevant, schools have rules.

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#255 Vandalvideo
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Well, I've never seen or heard of women in tuxedos.whipassmt
So? Pantsuits are just as repulsive as tuxedos. Should we suspend Congress due to Clinton and other females wearing pantsuits?
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#256 whipassmt
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"] Well, I've never seen or heard of women in tuxedos.Vandalvideo
So? Pantsuits are just as repulsive as tuxedos. Should we suspend Congress due to Clinton and other females wearing pantsuits?

Well, I think we've got better reasons than that to suspend congress, lol.

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#257 JadeNic
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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]the major thing they did was turn the student body against the girlswhipassmt

No, the girls turned the student body against themselves by threatening to sue the board. They should've just accepted and obeyed the rules or not went.

Yeah. The Little Rock Nine should have just obeyed the rules society put on them and not went as well. *sarcasm*

The girls are fighting for what they believe is right. It is ridiculous that the school not allow them to go the prom in the first place and even more ridiculous that they suspend the entire prom just because of these girls. They could have just sent them away at the door (which would still be wrong), but instead they make a big deal of it. They were sending out a message. The girls are sending one back.

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#258 PerfectCircles
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[QUOTE="PerfectCircles"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

They don't have such a thing as women's jeans amirite?

whipassmt

They didn't used to, times change people need to adjust. You can't force that girl to be something she's not.

But she is not definitely gay many people outgrow this and straighten out so to speak. Anyway though, they would have allowed her to attend, I understand, but she insisted as taking some other girl as her "date". They were not forced her to "be" something, they were forcing her to "do" something (or rather not to "do" something), which is pretty much the basis of school (i.e. doing things you don't want to do and abiding by the rules).

What you wrote makes no sense :|
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#259 sogni_belli
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1. Not all discrimination is bad. whipassmt

Well, yes, this is true. We discriminate against murderers, thieves, embezzlers, and individuals who pose a danger to themselves. We abridge their rights and privileges. However, before we do this in the United States, we MUST prove a clear and compelling reason for doing so. The 4th ammendment of the Constitution says that our rights cannot be abrogated without DUE PROCESS OF LAW. With respect to this case, where one of the issues is dress, the Court would likely apply due process according to Tinker v. Des Moine. Dress is considered expression and form of speech. Schools may not regulate the dress/speech unless it constitutes a "material distraction to the educational process." Plaintiffs would assert that a prom is not integral to the school's educational mission. Additionally, the "material distraction" portion of the litmus test would be a huge hurdle for the school to prove. More than likely, the school would fail to provide due process.

2. there is a difference between discriminating against individuals and discriminating against actions, the school discriminated against an action. whipassmt

Civil Rights statutes are based upon addressing the ACTIONS of discrimination, not the underlying prejudices of individuals. The basis of your argument runs along the same lines as similar words that have been spoken in the past: "We have no problem with you being black. You just can't eat here;" "We have no problem with you being a girl. You just can't attend West Point." You argue that it is OK to discriminate against an action. Civil rights law enacted by the federal and state governments says that it is against the law to discriminate against ACTIONS. (That's why we have things like the Fair Employment PRACTICES and Fair Housing PRACTICES commissions, not the Anti-bigots Commission.)

3. Yes gays have equal rights to straights because both gays and straights are people. However, homosexuality does not have the same rights as heterosexuality, since those are abstract things. Heterosexuality has more rights because it contributes to and is necessary for society, whileas homosexuality does not really benefit society (not to say that gay people can't contribute to society, but that their homosexual tendencies are not what contributes to society). whipassmt

LOL, what???? Heterosexuality and homosexuality are concepts. Concepts have no rights. Individuals have rights. Since concepts have no rights, one concept cannot have "more" rights than another.

If you are arguing that heterosexuals contribute more to society than homosexuals through procreation, then, again, LOL, what??? You argue that heterosexuals have more value because we can progogate the species through sexual intercourse. We can make a baby. Well, homosexuals can make a baby through artificial insemination. The same result - one more human being in the world - through different means.

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#261 VENOM192
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ugh... what WONT highschool girls do for attention?garrett_duffman
My thoughts exactly! :lol:

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#262 lilasianwonder
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Thats beat.
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#263 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]Disruption? Some chick dressed up as a dude, how is that not disruptive?

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How would that be disruptive to you?

Do you need someone to really answer this? What if a guy dressed like batman and came to class.. don't you think that would be disruptive? Why can't the girl wear a dress like a normal girl and be done with it? Why do they always have to be different?

Like it or not, a woman crossdressing is not as big a deal as a man crossdressing or dressing as batman. Plenty of women wear jeans, tshirts, suits, etc. I don't know many who exclusively wear dress/skirts.