Science Vs. Religion

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Decessus"]If science has a foundation based on reason, and religion's foundation is based on faith, how are they not mutually exculsive?Silver_Dragon17

Because religion is not based entirely on faith. . . .there's quite a bit of reasoning involved. Religious people aren't mindless drones that are incapable of rationality.

In what way is reason used?

What do you mean?

You said that religion is not based entirely on faith, and that there is quite a bit of reasoning involved. How is reason used in religion?

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?Silver_Dragon17

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

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These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1203.asp

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/4viewsofcreation.shtml?main

What are these links supposed to prove?

[QUOTE="kagemand"]

is it just the european media thats wrong ordo a large part of the american porpulation belive in god?

here in scandinavia most of us as moved on, and realized that the bible is just WAY off. oh not just scandinavia but most of europe. guess you guys just need more time to catch up to us in that matter

Silver_Dragon17

And which of the two countries is making all the advancements in science and knowledge?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="kagemand"]

is it just the european media thats wrong ordo a large part of the american porpulation belive in god?

here in scandinavia most of us as moved on, and realized that the bible is just WAY off. oh not just scandinavia but most of europe. guess you guys just need more time to catch up to us in that matter

kagemand

And which of the two countries is making all the advancements in science and knowledge?

We've been around since 1776. You've needed us for 230 years. We've always been religious. Connection?

As for the stupid 1/5 Americans, YouTube is not exactly an accurate source.:roll:

[QUOTE="kagemand"]

is it just the european media thats wrong ordo a large part of the american porpulation belive in god?

here in scandinavia most of us as moved on, and realized that the bible is just WAY off. oh not just scandinavia but most of europe. guess you guys just need more time to catch up to us in that matter

Silver_Dragon17

And which of the two countries is making all the advancements in science and knowledge?

Germany...

If you haven't noticed, America has been declining majorly in almost every field of art and cultrure for the past 60 years...

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?Decessus

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

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These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1203.asp

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/4viewsofcreation.shtml?main

What are these links supposed to prove?

That cattle sacrificing primitives are more advanced in the field of how everything came to be than today's greatest scientists.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Decessus"]If science has a foundation based on reason, and religion's foundation is based on faith, how are they not mutually exculsive?Decessus

Because religion is not based entirely on faith. . . .there's quite a bit of reasoning involved. Religious people aren't mindless drones that are incapable of rationality.

In what way is reason used?

What do you mean?

You said that religion is not based entirely on faith, and that there is quite a bit of reasoning involved. How is reason used in religion?

It depends on the person/ religion. As for Christianity, it has historical evidence,and endources actually looking up everything in the Bible before believing it. One looks it up. Simple. Do you think I, or anybody else on Earth, would believe it if I/we didn't think it had some truth to it?

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?Messer_Partei

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

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These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1203.asp

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/4viewsofcreation.shtml?main

What are these links supposed to prove?

That cattle sacrificing primitives are more advanced in the field of how everything came to be than today's greatest scientists.

Nope. Try again.:roll:

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?Decessus

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

.

These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1203.asp

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/4viewsofcreation.shtml?main

What are these links supposed to prove?

The first is to show that the verses you brought up are not contradictory to science. The second is to show the several interpretations of that verse along with Genesis.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Decessus"]If science has a foundation based on reason, and religion's foundation is based on faith, how are they not mutually exculsive?Silver_Dragon17

Because religion is not based entirely on faith. . . .there's quite a bit of reasoning involved. Religious people aren't mindless drones that are incapable of rationality.

In what way is reason used?

What do you mean?

You said that religion is not based entirely on faith, and that there is quite a bit of reasoning involved. How is reason used in religion?

It depends on the person/ religion. As for Christianity, it has historical evidence,and endources actually looking up everything in the Bible before believing it. One looks it up. Simple. Do you think I, or anybody else on Earth, would believe it if I/we didn't think it had some truth to it?

Science has proved Gods existence

99% of the world is ignorant of anything but what their society has taught them lest we forget.Messer_Partei

American society doesn't teach religion. It teaches anything that is politically correct. Which means that all religion, not just Christianity, are involved.;)

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?Silver_Dragon17

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

.

These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1203.asp

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/4viewsofcreation.shtml?main

What are these links supposed to prove?

The first is to show that the verses you brought up are not contradictory to science. The second is to show the several interpretations of that verse along with Genesis.

Ever notice how, as science advances, the world religions desperately try to coincide with these new facts, just to say: "See? You idiot, my religion does not contradict science if you look at it 'this' way."

I guess it's because the slower people who haven't come to the conclusion yet that man made religion cannot prove anything, and we have yet to gain any substantial proof towards anything are still stuck in their bubble of self denial.

Science has proved Gods existence

jd7-03

[QUOTE="kagemand"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="kagemand"]

is it just the european media thats wrong ordo a large part of the american porpulation belive in god?

here in scandinavia most of us as moved on, and realized that the bible is just WAY off. oh not just scandinavia but most of europe. guess you guys just need more time to catch up to us in that matter

Silver_Dragon17

And which of the two countries is making all the advancements in science and knowledge?

We've been around since 1776. You've needed us for 230 years. We've always been religious. Connection?

As for the stupid 1/5 Americans, YouTube is not exactly an accurate source.:roll:

Ever notice how, as science advances, the world religions desperately try to coincide with these new facts, just to say: "See? You idiot, my religion does not contradict science if you look at it 'this' way."

I guess it's because the slower people who haven't come to the conclusion yet that man made religion cannot prove anything, and we have yet to gain any substantial proof towards anything are still stuck in their bubble of self denial.

Messer_Partei

Um, nobody's doing that. Religion isn't "desperately" trying to coincide with the facts. In fact, Christianity had the facts--and was laughed at--for thousands of years before science proved them to be facts.

The universe being eternal? We knew that to be false. But we were laughed at, until that 19th century belief was crushed.

The first is to show that the verses you brought up are not contradictory to science. The second is to show the several interpretations of that verse along with Genesis.

Silver_Dragon17

This post pretty much proves my point about religion and reason. You read that link and you read what you wanted to read. There was no other light source before the sun.

I'm not talking about what is taught in schools, I'm talking about what those around you believe, what your family believes and what some aspects of society as a whole believe. It all has a bearing on your very person, and in order to dump all of those beliefs and to become (say an atheist) YOU would force yourself into the minority of the dumb and unaccepted. Not to mention that you have to first completely seperate your thoughts from what has been drilled into your head from birth.

I'm not talking about what is taught in schools, I'm talking about what those around you believe, what your family believes and what some aspects of society as a whole believe. It all has a bearing on your very person, and in order to dump all of those beliefs and to become (say an atheist) YOU would force yourself into the minority of the dumb and unaccepted. Not to mention that you have to first completely seperate your thoughts from what has been drilled into your head from birth.

Messer_Partei

I know exactly what you're talking about.

My parents were not religious. In fact, they "drilled" Atheism into my head until I grew a brain.

It's a two-way street.;)

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

The first is to show that the verses you brought up are not contradictory to science. The second is to show the several interpretations of that verse along with Genesis.

Decessus

This post pretty much proves my point about religion and reason. You read that link and you read what you wanted to read. There was no other light source before the sun.

The sun came into existence first, then the earth. It wasn't the other way around.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

The first is to show that the verses you brought up are not contradictory to science. The second is to show the several interpretations of that verse along with Genesis.

Decessus

This post pretty much proves my point about religion and reason. You read that link and you read what you wanted to read. There was no other light source before the sun.

And this post pretty muych sums up the "reasoning" used by Atheists. You read it and you dismiss it, say "I'm right, you're wrong, so there!" and that's it.

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

Ever notice how, as science advances, the world religions desperately try to coincide with these new facts, just to say: "See? You idiot, my religion does not contradict science if you look at it 'this' way."

I guess it's because the slower people who haven't come to the conclusion yet that man made religion cannot prove anything, and we have yet to gain any substantial proof towards anything are still stuck in their bubble of self denial.

Silver_Dragon17

Um, nobody's doing that. Religion isn't "desperately" trying to coincide with the facts. In fact, Christianity had the facts--and was laughed at--for thousands of years before science proved them to be facts.

The universe being eternal? We knew that to be false. But we were laughed at, until that 19th century belief was crushed.

We still don't know wheather the universe is eternal or not, it's theory. This is not fact, we haven't gone to the edge of the universe and said, 'well, there's an edge', we have based our speculation on scientific reasoning. Something religion does not do...

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

The first is to show that the verses you brought up are not contradictory to science. The second is to show the several interpretations of that verse along with Genesis.

Silver_Dragon17

This post pretty much proves my point about religion and reason. You read that link and you read what you wanted to read. There was no other light source before the sun.

And this post pretty muych sums up the "reasoning" used by Atheists. You read it and you dismiss it, say "I'm right, you're wrong, so there!" and that's it.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

Ever notice how, as science advances, the world religions desperately try to coincide with these new facts, just to say: "See? You idiot, my religion does not contradict science if you look at it 'this' way."

I guess it's because the slower people who haven't come to the conclusion yet that man made religion cannot prove anything, and we have yet to gain any substantial proof towards anything are still stuck in their bubble of self denial.

Messer_Partei

Um, nobody's doing that. Religion isn't "desperately" trying to coincide with the facts. In fact, Christianity had the facts--and was laughed at--for thousands of years before science proved them to be facts.

The universe being eternal? We knew that to be false. But we were laughed at, until that 19th century belief was crushed.

We still don't know wheather the universe is eternal or not, it's theory. This is not fact, we haven't gone to the edge of the universe and said, 'well, there's an edge', we have based our speculation on scientific reasoning. Something religion does not do...

Theory = close to fact in science. Evolution is a theory.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

The first is to show that the verses you brought up are not contradictory to science. The second is to show the several interpretations of that verse along with Genesis.

CptJSparrow

This post pretty much proves my point about religion and reason. You read that link and you read what you wanted to read. There was no other light source before the sun.

And this post pretty muych sums up the "reasoning" used by Atheists. You read it and you dismiss it, say "I'm right, you're wrong, so there!" and that's it.

No. The link does, but I gave the link for the theology, not the astronomy.

i dont mind poeple beliving in god, but i just dont understand how they can... DAMMIT I CAN BEEN ABOVE THE SKY, AND NO ONE IS THERE

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

The first is to show that the verses you brought up are not contradictory to science. The second is to show the several interpretations of that verse along with Genesis.

Silver_Dragon17

This post pretty much proves my point about religion and reason. You read that link and you read what you wanted to read. There was no other light source before the sun.

And this post pretty muych sums up the "reasoning" used by Atheists. You read it and you dismiss it, say "I'm right, you're wrong, so there!" and that's it.

I dismiss it because it doesn't make any sense. The bible conflicts with our scientific knowledge about astronomy and biology. In the bible, the earth was created before the sun. This is inaccurate. The sun was around for billions of years before the earth even began forming.

The bible says that plants were around before the sun. This is impossible because the sun is necessary for photosynthesis. Are you seriously going to say there was another source of light before the sun?

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

Ever notice how, as science advances, the world religions desperately try to coincide with these new facts, just to say: "See? You idiot, my religion does not contradict science if you look at it 'this' way."

I guess it's because the slower people who haven't come to the conclusion yet that man made religion cannot prove anything, and we have yet to gain any substantial proof towards anything are still stuck in their bubble of self denial.

Silver_Dragon17

Um, nobody's doing that. Religion isn't "desperately" trying to coincide with the facts. In fact, Christianity had the facts--and was laughed at--for thousands of years before science proved them to be facts.

The universe being eternal? We knew that to be false. But we were laughed at, until that 19th century belief was crushed.

We still don't know wheather the universe is eternal or not, it's theory. This is not fact, we haven't gone to the edge of the universe and said, 'well, there's an edge', we have based our speculation on scientific reasoning. Something religion does not do...

Theory = close to fact in science. Evolution is a theory.

That isn't what a scientific theory is at all. A theory is a general explanation for a natural phenomenon that is supported by scientific evidence. A theory explains the facts of the universe. A theory can never become a fact.

i dont mind poeple beliving in god, but i just dont understand how they can... DAMMIT I CAN BEEN ABOVE THE SKY, AND NO ONE IS THERE

kagemand

God doesn't live in the sky.

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

Ever notice how, as science advances, the world religions desperately try to coincide with these new facts, just to say: "See? You idiot, my religion does not contradict science if you look at it 'this' way."

I guess it's because the slower people who haven't come to the conclusion yet that man made religion cannot prove anything, and we have yet to gain any substantial proof towards anything are still stuck in their bubble of self denial.

Silver_Dragon17

Um, nobody's doing that. Religion isn't "desperately" trying to coincide with the facts. In fact, Christianity had the facts--and was laughed at--for thousands of years before science proved them to be facts.

The universe being eternal? We knew that to be false. But we were laughed at, until that 19th century belief was crushed.

We still don't know wheather the universe is eternal or not, it's theory. This is not fact, we haven't gone to the edge of the universe and said, 'well, there's an edge', we have based our speculation on scientific reasoning. Something religion does not do...

Theory = close to fact in science. Evolution is a theory.

Well here is the only fact I live by:Science has theories, which I can believe for now, but at least not hold 'allegience' to knowing that one day they may be proven wrong.Religion has theories, however they are not backed by anything but words of man, and people follow these things for their life and are too stubborn to accept them as anything but theories to fill in the blanks that science has yet to fill. And even when science does fill the blanks, some extremists will still deny the facts.

This is why I say religion is wrong. That doesn't mean there is no god, it just means that all the evidence we could ever find on earth for religion will never prove anything about a higher power, unless we witnessed this higher power. It's best to question everythingrather than narrowly believe in some man made unbacked theory of how the entire universe was created. This is how we advance.

[QUOTE="kagemand"]

i dont mind poeple beliving in god, but i just dont understand how they can... DAMMIT I CAN BEEN ABOVE THE SKY, AND NO ONE IS THERE

Silver_Dragon17

God doesn't live in the sky.

Tell us where he lives.

We have yet to travel to Mars, the planet we are closest to, yet you seem to know where the creator (yes the, not plural) of the universe lives.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

The first is to show that the verses you brought up are not contradictory to science. The second is to show the several interpretations of that verse along with Genesis.

Silver_Dragon17

This post pretty much proves my point about religion and reason. You read that link and you read what you wanted to read. There was no other light source before the sun.

And this post pretty muych sums up the "reasoning" used by Atheists. You read it and you dismiss it, say "I'm right, you're wrong, so there!" and that's it.

No. The link does, but I gave the link for the theology, not the astronomy.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

The first is to show that the verses you brought up are not contradictory to science. The second is to show the several interpretations of that verse along with Genesis.

Decessus

This post pretty much proves my point about religion and reason. You read that link and you read what you wanted to read. There was no other light source before the sun.

And this post pretty muych sums up the "reasoning" used by Atheists. You read it and you dismiss it, say "I'm right, you're wrong, so there!" and that's it.

I dismiss it because it doesn't make any sense. The bible conflicts with our scientific knowledge about astronomy and biology. In the bible, the earth was created before the sun. This is inaccurate. The sun was around for billions of years before the earth even began forming.

The bible says that plants were around before the sun. This is impossible because the sun is necessary for photosynthesis. Are you seriously going to say there was another source of light before the sun?

The sun was created at "Let there be light."

http://godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Messer_Partei"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

Ever notice how, as science advances, the world religions desperately try to coincide with these new facts, just to say: "See? You idiot, my religion does not contradict science if you look at it 'this' way."

I guess it's because the slower people who haven't come to the conclusion yet that man made religion cannot prove anything, and we have yet to gain any substantial proof towards anything are still stuck in their bubble of self denial.

Decessus

Um, nobody's doing that. Religion isn't "desperately" trying to coincide with the facts. In fact, Christianity had the facts--and was laughed at--for thousands of years before science proved them to be facts.

The universe being eternal? We knew that to be false. But we were laughed at, until that 19th century belief was crushed.

We still don't know wheather the universe is eternal or not, it's theory. This is not fact, we haven't gone to the edge of the universe and said, 'well, there's an edge', we have based our speculation on scientific reasoning. Something religion does not do...

Theory = close to fact in science. Evolution is a theory.

That isn't what a scientific theory is at all. A theory is a general explanation for a natural phenomenon that is supported by scientific evidence. A theory explains the facts of the universe. A theory can never become a fact.

I never said it could.:|

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="kagemand"]

i dont mind poeple beliving in god, but i just dont understand how they can... DAMMIT I CAN BEEN ABOVE THE SKY, AND NO ONE IS THERE

Messer_Partei

God doesn't live in the sky.

Tell us where he lives.

We have yet to travel to Mars, the planet we are closest to, yet you seem to know where the creator (yes the, not plural) of the universe lives.

He doesn't live in the natural universe at all.

Well here is the only fact I live by:Science has theories, which I can believe for now, but at least not hold 'allegience' to knowing that one day they may be proven wrong.Religion has theories, however they are not backed by anything but words of man, and people follow these things for their life and are too stubborn to accept them as anything but theories to fill in the blanks that science has yet to fill. And even when science does fill the blanks, some extremists will still deny the facts.

This is why I say religion is wrong. That doesn't mean there is no god, it just means that all the evidence we could ever find on earth for religion will never prove anything about a higher power, unless we witnessed this higher power. It's best to question everythingrather than narrowly believe in some man made unbacked theory of how the entire universe was created. This is how we advance.

Messer_Partei

The God of the Gaps theory fails, because with the knowledge we have now, we still believe in God.

"Question everything, and hold to the good." It seems the Bible agrees with you.:|

Ok let me explain something to you. Evolution is not science, science is something you can test in a lab or anywhere else. It is a theory. Nobodcould test if the earth is millions of years old. It is not science vs religion, and not all science is meant on how old the earth is. And for that matter that doesn't mean the bible is not scientific. You only consider it being science because fit doesn't have an all owerful being. And evolution only mentions numbers and other earthly things which is why it is considered science and not a religion.jesus_freak105

Ok let me explain something to you. Evolution is not science, science is something you can test in a lab or anywhere else. It is a theory. Nobodcould test if the earth is millions of years old. It is not science vs religion, and not all science is meant on how old the earth is. And for that matter that doesn't mean the bible is not scientific. You only consider it being science because fit doesn't have an all owerful being. And evolution only mentions numbers and other earthly things which is why it is considered science and not a religion.jesus_freak105

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="kagemand"]

i dont mind poeple beliving in god, but i just dont understand how they can... DAMMIT I CAN BEEN ABOVE THE SKY, AND NO ONE IS THERE

Silver_Dragon17

God doesn't live in the sky.

Tell us where he lives.

We have yet to travel to Mars, the planet we are closest to, yet you seem to know where the creator (yes the, not plural) of the universe lives.

He doesn't live in the natural universe at all.

Ok let me explain something to you. Evolution is not science, science is something you can test in a lab or anywhere else. It is a theory. Nobodcould test if the earth is millions of years old. It is not science vs religion, and not all science is meant on how old the earth is. And for that matter that doesn't mean the bible is not scientific. You only consider it being science because fit doesn't have an all owerful being. And evolution only mentions numbers and other earthly things which is why it is considered science and not a religion.jesus_freak105

This isn't an evolution vs. creation topic, it's a religion vs. science (also known as BS) topic.

[QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]Ok let me explain something to you. Evolution is not science, science is something you can test in a lab or anywhere else. It is a theory. Nobodcould test if the earth is millions of years old. It is not science vs religion, and not all science is meant on how old the earth is. And for that matter that doesn't mean the bible is not scientific. You only consider it being science because fit doesn't have an all owerful being. And evolution only mentions numbers and other earthly things which is why it is considered science and not a religion.mig_killer2

What are you talking about? I don't think a scientist has been sitting in a lab for 1 million years testing evolution.

The sun was created at "Let there be light."

http://godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html

Silver_Dragon17

Not according to the bible it wasn't.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

Well here is the only fact I live by:Science has theories, which I can believe for now, but at least not hold 'allegience' to knowing that one day they may be proven wrong.Religion has theories, however they are not backed by anything but words of man, and people follow these things for their life and are too stubborn to accept them as anything but theories to fill in the blanks that science has yet to fill. And even when science does fill the blanks, some extremists will still deny the facts.

This is why I say religion is wrong. That doesn't mean there is no god, it just means that all the evidence we could ever find on earth for religion will never prove anything about a higher power, unless we witnessed this higher power. It's best to question everythingrather than narrowly believe in some man made unbacked theory of how the entire universe was created. This is how we advance.

Silver_Dragon17

The God of the Gaps theory fails, because with the knowledge we have now, we still believe in God.

"Question everything, and hold to the good." It seems the Bible agrees with you.:|

It seems the bible agrees with everything depending on how one interprets it.:|

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

The sun was created at "Let there be light."

http://godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html

Decessus

Not according to the bible it wasn't.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

From the article:

"Let there be" is an unusual way to describe de novo creation (see also verse 1:3). I believe that at this point God removed the translucent cloud cover from the planet to allow the stars, moon, and Sun to be seen from the surface of the earth (the frame of reference of all Genesis 1). The text then reiterates what God had already done in Genesis 1:1 regarding the creation of the sun, moon, and stars. The time frame describes events over days, seasons, and years - obviously more than 24 hours long.

Any god using evolution is retarded, a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

It seems the bible agrees with everything depending on how one interprets it.:|

Messer_Partei

There's no other way to interpret that. Or these:

A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps. (Pr 14:15)

It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way. (Pr 19:2)

Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. (Jn 10:37)

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Acts 17:11)

Test everything. Hold on to the good. (1 Thes 5:21)

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 Jn 4:1)

As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ," he said. Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and not a few prominent women. (Acts 17:2-4)

For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ. (Acts 18:28)

Then Jesus said to them, "How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David? David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:

"'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet."'

David calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?" (Lk 20:41-44)

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

The sun was created at "Let there be light."

http://godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html

Silver_Dragon17

Not according to the bible it wasn't.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

From the article:

"Let there be" is an unusual way to describe de novo creation (see also verse 1:3). I believe that at this point God removed the translucent cloud cover from the planet to allow the stars, moon, and Sun to be seen from the surface of the earth (the frame of reference of all Genesis 1). The text then reiterates what God had already done in Genesis 1:1 regarding the creation of the sun, moon, and stars. The time frame describes events over days, seasons, and years - obviously more than 24 hours long.

Where does it say there was a translucent cloud covering the planet?

Any god using evolution is retarded, a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

jesus_freak105