Science Vs. Religion

As far as I can figure, it comes down to this. Either there was some sort of creator god who was here before everything and created it all, or all the matter, energy, and laws that we observe around us were here from the beginning. I find it kind of difficult to believe that this huge orderly system was just here to begin with, and therefore I am a creationist Christian.thnickaman13

I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.brianpoetzel

I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.brianpoetzel

[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.EboyLOL

Unless you're Catholic, then you believe every word was divinly inspired.

But if you aren't then yea.

[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.EboyLOL

[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.mig_killer2

That was in response to all the posts that put in their own spin on scripture. It wasn't directed at you or anything.

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.mig_killer2

It really was 100% bible by commitee. A lot of people don't know that.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.brianpoetzel

It really was 100% bible by commitee. A lot of people don't know that.

GS should have a rule where you have to watch the video in my sig before you can post a religious topic.Zero5000X

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]GS should have a rule where you have to watch the video in my sig before you can post a religious topic.mig_killer2

ya since they just made that up for no reason.

[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.mig_killer2

It really was 100% bible by commitee. A lot of people don't know that.

I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying that the people who do believe in God/Jesus/bible should because that's what it says. People who do believe the bible should take it as it was written and not try to put their own ideals into it.

[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.EboyLOL

But if you believe, then you believe the bible is Gods word. But it all depends on whether or not you believe.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.brianpoetzel

It really was 100% bible by commitee. A lot of people don't know that.

I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying that the people who do believe in God/Jesus/bible should because that's what it says. I was just saying that people who do believe the bible should take it as it was written and not try to put their own ideals into it.

[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.mig_killer2

It really was 100% bible by commitee. A lot of people don't know that.

I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying that the people who do believe in God/Jesus/bible should because that's what it says. I was just saying that people who do believe the bible should take it as it was written and not try to put their own ideals into it.

I was raised Lutheran and I did practice for a while. But not anymore. I never really felt like a Christian for many of the same reasons people had had in this thread. I just couldn't reconcile my personal beliefs with what the bible and clergy told me to believe.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.brianpoetzel

It really was 100% bible by commitee. A lot of people don't know that.

I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying that the people who do believe in God/Jesus/bible should because that's what it says. I was just saying that people who do believe the bible should take it as it was written and not try to put their own ideals into it.

I was raised Lutheran and I did practice for a while. But not anymore. I never really felt like a Christian for many of the same reasons people had had in this thread. I just couldn't reconcile my personal beliefs with what the bible and clergy told me to believe.

religion is a better thing to believe in. Putzwapputzen

Religion is control.

For the most part at least.

such as....mig_killer2

That, my friend, is a complicated and personal question. Miracles, heaven, hell, creation, adam & eve, sin, the commandments, saints, the origin of the bible, translations of and interpretations of the bible, which denonination is right, what religion is right (there are SO many), healthy distrust of the organized church (why do I need them when I have a bible in front of me), etc. I questioned all of that and much more and never got a satisfactory answer.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"] such as....brianpoetzel

That, my friend, is a complicated and personal question. Miracles, heaven, hell, creation, adam & eve, sin, the commandments, saints, the origin of the bible, translations of and interpretations of the bible, which denonination is right, what religion is right (there are SO many), healthy distrust of the organized church (why do I need them when I have a bible in front of me), etc. I questioned all of that and much more and never got a satisfactory answer.

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.brianpoetzel

But if you believe, then you believe the bible is Gods word. But it all depends on whether or not you believe.

[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.EboyLOL

But if you believe, then you believe the bible is Gods word. But it all depends on whether or not you believe.

I can't believe I was beaten to it!!!!

[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.EboyLOL

But if you believe, then you believe the bible is Gods word. But it all depends on whether or not you believe.

There is an interesting argument made by Sam Harris regarding religion. He says that christianity and all religions are very dangerous because people who flew the planes into the WTC were extremely religious. Their beliefs were based on just as much evidence that christianity is based on, none at all. therefore, faith is extremely dangerous for society as it canmake people do the craziest things

[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]I believe that if you are going to believe in the bible then you need to take it literally. If you start to interpret it, you start placing your own ideas into it and it's no longer Gods word. If the bible says something then that's what it says. We shouldn't ask ourselves,"what did God really mean by that?" When we start to play that game we can get anything to mean anything. And that's where the trouble really starts.EboyLOL

But if you believe, then you believe the bible is Gods word. But it all depends on whether or not you believe.

The protestant reformation was more about rebelling from the catholic interpretations and dogma. Martin Luther wasn't questioning the bible, just how the established church handled it. IMO there's a big difference. But that's also how we got all these different denomonations fighting amongst eachother. If they all took the bible at face value there would be no bickering. Instead people started thinking that they had a special insight into the bible that no one else had. It's that human ego that's really getting in the way.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

Yes, but some of the things are change in the new testament like the one that says you must love your enemies

Loonie

I just showed you quotes from the NT that said you should follow the OT. This is what I mean when people pick and choose what they take from the bible.

The entire Bible is basiclly saying 2 things

1. Love God with all your heart

2. Love others as yourself

Martin Luther said something along the lines of "reason is the enemy of faith." So it doesn't seem to me like he wanted people to question they're faith. He just wanted to reform the horribly corrupted Catholic Church.slinky6

Science and religion aren't diametrically opposed.sonicare

I'll just say this before I leave, Creationism is a preposterous mind-shrinking falsehood. Thanks richard dawkins

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Science and religion aren't diametrically opposed.Gipsyeyes

I'll just say this before I leave, Creationism is a preposterous mind-shrinking falsehood. Thanks richard dawkins

I concur! Free yourself from the bonds of superstitious Christianity. Science is the winner, Christianity is the loser. Poor pathetic Christianity. Dog bless you all. Hahaha

b/c you can still study science and be religious. you can study science from a religious point of viewMichaeltheCM

religious person is studying potassium argon dating. He discovers that it conflicts with his primitive notion that the earth is 6000 years old. he then sets out to prove that potassium argon dating is bull****. that's studying science from a religious POV

[QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Religion and Science are mutually exclusive.

Total-KO

If they are mutually exclusive then you cannot believe in both.

I think you meant to say they are not mutually exclusive :)

Don't tell me what I meant to say. That's extremely patronising.

You can believe in both BECAUSE they are mutually exclusive. Think about it. If neither conflict with each other (mutually exclusive) then there is no issue in believiing in both.

Mutually exclusive means you cannot believe in both. Which is why I corrected you.

Mutually exclusive has absolutely nothing to do with belief. It's a term used in statistics stating when two or more situations have absolutely no effect or bearing on the other.

No, that's independence. Mutual exclusivity means they cannot both happen at the same time.

[QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?Decessus

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?syorks

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

For all of you dorks who keep posting evidence that the bible does not contradict science, hereis a list where the bible contradicts ITSELF:

Does God respect us?
Genesis 4:4
And the Lord had respect unto Abel
Acts 10:34
God is no respecter of persons

Is he peaceful or warlike?
Exodus 15:3
The Lord is a man of war.
1 Corinthians 14:33
God is not the author of confusion but of peace

Can he be seen?
Genesis 18:1
And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre.
Exodus 33:20
There shall no man see me, and live.

How many gods are there?
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after our likeness
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord

To kill or not to kill?
Exodus 32:27
Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor
Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17
Thou shalt not kill.

Is god merciful or not?
Lamentation 2:2
The LORD hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob, and hath not pitied.
1 Chronicles 16:34; Psalm 106:1, 107:1, 118:1, 136:1; Jeremiah 33:11
O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good; for his mercy endureth forever

Who came first? Animals or Adam?
Genesis 1:25-27
(Humans were created after the other animals.)
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

Genesis 2:18-19
(Humans were created before the other animals.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Is adultery wrong?
Exodus 20:14, Deuteronomy 5:18
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Hosea 1:2
And the Lord said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms....

mig_killer2

derp, ok.

yeah don't do that. Its kind of fooloish and we will notice it and also point it out to everyone like we are doing now. And even if those were in context i have a n argument for each and every one.

[QUOTE="syorks"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?mig_killer2

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="syorks"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?syorks

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

[QUOTE="syorks"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="syorks"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?mig_killer2

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

EIDT:And why are you questioning a hypothical question? I believe it's true, but why do you say "No evidence" to a simple hypothical question here?

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

Loonie

[QUOTE="Loonie"]

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

SilentFireX

doesn't make it not true. i provided a possible explanation which is all thats required. syorks

God sustaining plants in the absence of photosynthesis is not an explanation, it's a made up conjecture so that you don't have to give a credible answer.

If there was an alternative that you knew you'd have given that, without one, you fell back to "God did it". You didn't even manage to explain how God did it.

How is your explanation any more believable than if someone said Cthulhu helped sustain the plants?