Science Vs. Religion

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

jesus_freak105

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

[QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

Silver_Dragon17

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

Anyone who has studied prehistory and theology will tell you that the Bible is just another text in the long lines of literature written by man thousands of years ago.

Why believe in the Bible instead of the Epics of Giligamesh? Why not the Iliad and Odyssey? Both predate the Bible and deal with the supernatural, and yet both are dismissed as merely archaealogical literature. The Bible should be treated like wise.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

The sun was created at "Let there be light."

http://godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html

Decessus

Not according to the bible it wasn't.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

From the article:

"Let there be" is an unusual way to describe de novo creation (see also verse 1:3). I believe that at this point God removed the translucent cloud cover from the planet to allow the stars, moon, and Sun to be seen from the surface of the earth (the frame of reference of all Genesis 1). The text then reiterates what God had already done in Genesis 1:1 regarding the creation of the sun, moon, and stars. The time frame describes events over days, seasons, and years - obviously more than 24 hours long.

Where does it say there was a translucent cloud covering the planet?

Genesis speaks of a firmament, a sort of "cloak" over the planet.

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

It seems the bible agrees with everything depending on how one interprets it.:|

Silver_Dragon17

There's no other way to interpret that. Or these:

A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps. (Pr 14:15)

It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way. (Pr 19:2)

Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. (Jn 10:37)

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Acts 17:11)

Test everything. Hold on to the good. (1 Thes 5:21)

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 Jn 4:1)

As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ," he said. Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and not a few prominent women. (Acts 17:2-4)

For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ. (Acts 18:28)

Then Jesus said to them, "How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David? David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:

"'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet."'

David calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?" (Lk 20:41-44)

I do not see anything in your post that proves that the christian god is real.

Genesis speaks of a firmament, a sort of "cloak" over the planet.

Silver_Dragon17

Where? What passage?

Anyone who has studied prehistory and theology will tell you that the Bible is just another text in the long lines of literature written by man thousands of years ago.

Why believe in the Bible instead of the Epics of Giligamesh? Why not the Iliad and Odyssey? Both predate the Bible and deal with the supernatural, and yet both are dismissed as merely archaealogical literature. The Bible should be treated like wise.

Donkey_Puncher

The Bible is backed with historical and archeaological evidence. The Iliad is not.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

It seems the bible agrees with everything depending on how one interprets it.:|

Messer_Partei

There's no other way to interpret that. Or these:

A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps. (Pr 14:15)

It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way. (Pr 19:2)

Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. (Jn 10:37)

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Acts 17:11)

Test everything. Hold on to the good. (1 Thes 5:21)

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 Jn 4:1)

As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ," he said. Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and not a few prominent women. (Acts 17:2-4)

For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ. (Acts 18:28)

Then Jesus said to them, "How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David? David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:

"'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet."'

David calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?" (Lk 20:41-44)

I do not see anything in your post that proves that the christian god is real.

I'm not trying to prove that He's real.:| I'm showing you that the Bible endources reason and questioning, something you can't seem to accept.

[QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

Silver_Dragon17

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

First of all you need to understand the meaning of omnipitent. God is not bound by time. Which means things are different to him. And what astranomical data is this website talking about that indicates that thearth is 13.7 billion years old?

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

Anyone who has studied prehistory and theology will tell you that the Bible is just another text in the long lines of literature written by man thousands of years ago.

Why believe in the Bible instead of the Epics of Giligamesh? Why not the Iliad and Odyssey? Both predate the Bible and deal with the supernatural, and yet both are dismissed as merely archaealogical literature. The Bible should be treated like wise.

Silver_Dragon17

The Bible is backed with historical and archeaological evidence. The Iliad is not.

Wrong, excavation in Anatolia have found what most now consider Troy. Later digs have found the ruined palace as Pylos and Mycaene. We now Know that the Mycaeans existed, The Greeks that invaded "Troy". The places existed, whether or not the war did is the real question.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

Anyone who has studied prehistory and theology will tell you that the Bible is just another text in the long lines of literature written by man thousands of years ago.

Why believe in the Bible instead of the Epics of Giligamesh? Why not the Iliad and Odyssey? Both predate the Bible and deal with the supernatural, and yet both are dismissed as merely archaealogical literature. The Bible should be treated like wise.

Silver_Dragon17

The Bible is backed with historical and archeaological evidence. The Iliad is not.

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

It seems the bible agrees with everything depending on how one interprets it.:|

Silver_Dragon17

There's no other way to interpret that. Or these:

A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps. (Pr 14:15)

It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way. (Pr 19:2)

Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. (Jn 10:37)

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Acts 17:11)

Test everything. Hold on to the good. (1 Thes 5:21)

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 Jn 4:1)

As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ," he said. Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and not a few prominent women. (Acts 17:2-4)

For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ. (Acts 18:28)

Then Jesus said to them, "How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David? David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:

"'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet."'

David calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?" (Lk 20:41-44)

I do not see anything in your post that proves that the christian god is real.

I'm not trying to prove that He's real.:| I'm showing you that the Bible endources reason and questioning, something you can't seem to accept.

No, I can believe that. But the content of a religious text like the bible, regardless of how well it was written or how the authors thought, still does not prove anything towards god. Nothing at all.

[QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

Silver_Dragon17

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

jesus_freak105

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

First of all you need to understand the meaning of omnipitent. God is not bound by time. Which means things are different to him. And what astranomical data is this website talking about that indicates that thearth is 13.7 billion years old?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Genesis speaks of a firmament, a sort of "cloak" over the planet.

Decessus

Where? What passage?

I don't know the exact passage. It's addressed here.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

Anyone who has studied prehistory and theology will tell you that the Bible is just another text in the long lines of literature written by man thousands of years ago.

Why believe in the Bible instead of the Epics of Giligamesh? Why not the Iliad and Odyssey? Both predate the Bible and deal with the supernatural, and yet both are dismissed as merely archaealogical literature. The Bible should be treated like wise.

Donkey_Puncher

The Bible is backed with historical and archeaological evidence. The Iliad is not.

Wrong, excavation in Anatolia have found what most now consider Troy. Later digs have found the ruined palace as Pylos and Mycaene. We now Know that the Mycaeans existed, The Greeks that invaded "Troy". The places existed, whether or not the war did is the real question.

I don't know the exact passage. It's addressed here.

Silver_Dragon17

So basically you don't know what you're talking about. I'm done talking to you because the only thing you can do is copy and paste other people's responses instead of coming up with an original thought of your own.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

jesus_freak105

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

First of all you need to understand the meaning of omnipitent. God is not bound by time. Which means things are different to him. And what astranomical data is this website talking about that indicates that thearth is 13.7 billion years old?

Christian philosophers have understood omnipotence in different ways. René Descartes though of omnipotence as the ability to do absolutely anything. According to Descartes, God can do the logically impossible; he can make square circles, and he can make 2 + 2 = 5.

Thomas Aquinas had a narrower conception of omnipotence. According to Aquinas, God is able to do anything possible; he can part the red sea, and he can restore the dead to life, but he cannot violate the laws of logic and mathematics in the way that Descartes thought that he could.

For all of you dorks who keep posting evidence that the bible does not contradict science, hereis a list where the bible contradicts ITSELF:

Does God respect us?
Genesis 4:4
And the Lord had respect unto Abel
Acts 10:34
God is no respecter of persons

Is he peaceful or warlike?
Exodus 15:3
The Lord is a man of war.
1 Corinthians 14:33
God is not the author of confusion but of peace

Can he be seen?
Genesis 18:1
And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre.
Exodus 33:20
There shall no man see me, and live.

How many gods are there?
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after our likeness
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord

To kill or not to kill?
Exodus 32:27
Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor
Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17
Thou shalt not kill.

Is god merciful or not?
Lamentation 2:2
The LORD hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob, and hath not pitied.
1 Chronicles 16:34; Psalm 106:1, 107:1, 118:1, 136:1; Jeremiah 33:11
O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good; for his mercy endureth forever

Who came first? Animals or Adam?
Genesis 1:25-27
(Humans were created after the other animals.)
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

Genesis 2:18-19
(Humans were created before the other animals.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Is adultery wrong?
Exodus 20:14, Deuteronomy 5:18
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Hosea 1:2
And the Lord said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms....

[QUOTE="jesus_freak105"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

mig_killer2

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

First of all you need to understand the meaning of omnipitent. God is not bound by time. Which means things are different to him. And what astranomical data is this website talking about that indicates that thearth is 13.7 billion years old?

With other galaxies at different stages of evolution is just like earth. The galaxys are just in different stages and doesn't proved they evolved that way. It's like monkeys on our planet and us. If you considered evolution real then it would be just as the evolution stages with primates and humans. This does not prove anything.

For all of you dorks who keep posting evidence that the bible does not contradict science, hereis a list where the bible contradicts ITSELF:

Does God respect us?
Genesis 4:4
And the Lord had respect unto Abel
Acts 10:34
God is no respecter of persons

Is he peaceful or warlike?
Exodus 15:3
The Lord is a man of war.
1 Corinthians 14:33
God is not the author of confusion but of peace

Can he be seen?
Genesis 18:1
And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre.
Exodus 33:20
There shall no man see me, and live.

How many gods are there?
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after our likeness
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord

To kill or not to kill?
Exodus 32:27
Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor
Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17
Thou shalt not kill.

Is god merciful or not?
Lamentation 2:2
The LORD hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob, and hath not pitied.
1 Chronicles 16:34; Psalm 106:1, 107:1, 118:1, 136:1; Jeremiah 33:11
O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good; for his mercy endureth forever

Who came first? Animals or Adam?
Genesis 1:25-27
(Humans were created after the other animals.)
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

Genesis 2:18-19
(Humans were created before the other animals.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Is adultery wrong?
Exodus 20:14, Deuteronomy 5:18
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Hosea 1:2
And the Lord said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms....

Messer_Partei

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

jesus_freak105

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

First of all you need to understand the meaning of omnipitent. God is not bound by time. Which means things are different to him. And what astranomical data is this website talking about that indicates that thearth is 13.7 billion years old?

With other galaxies at different stages of evolution is just like earth. The galaxys are just in different stages and doesn't proved they evolved that way. It's like monkeys on our planet and us. If you considered evolution real then it would be just as the evolution stages with primates and humans. This does not prove anything.

the galaxies in the hubble ultra deep field image were 13.7 billion light years away. It is physically impossible for light to reach us in 6000-10000 years if the source were 13.7 billion light years away because the laws of physics say that light is always the same speed no matter the frameof reference

[QUOTE="jesus_freak105"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

Silver_Dragon17

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

First of all you need to understand the meaning of omnipitent. God is not bound by time. Which means things are different to him. And what astranomical data is this website talking about that indicates that thearth is 13.7 billion years old?

Christian philosophers have understood omnipotence in different ways. René Descartes though of omnipotence as the ability to do absolutely anything. According to Descartes, God can do the logically impossible; he can make square circles, and he can make 2 + 2 = 5.

Thomas Aquinas had a narrower conception of omnipotence. According to Aquinas, God is able to do anything possible; he can part the red sea, and he can restore the dead to life, but he cannot violate the laws of logic and mathematics in the way that Descartes thought that he could.

Why couldn't defy logical things then, if he was omnipitent.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

I don't know the exact passage. It's addressed here.

Decessus

So basically you don't know what you're talking about. I'm done talking to you because the only thing you can do is copy and paste other people's responses instead of coming up with an original thought of your own.

I said I don't know the exact verse. That does not mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I can never quote a verse. But I can remember what the verse means.

The only reason I give other arguments is because my own are not nearly explainatory enough. My own words fail to do justice to what I am speaking of, so I am forced to use others' words.

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

For all of you dorks who keep posting evidence that the bible does not contradict science, hereis a list where the bible contradicts ITSELF:

Does God respect us?
Genesis 4:4
And the Lord had respect unto Abel
Acts 10:34
God is no respecter of persons

Is he peaceful or warlike?
Exodus 15:3
The Lord is a man of war.
1 Corinthians 14:33
God is not the author of confusion but of peace

Can he be seen?
Genesis 18:1
And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre.
Exodus 33:20
There shall no man see me, and live.

How many gods are there?
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after our likeness
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord

To kill or not to kill?
Exodus 32:27
Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor
Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17
Thou shalt not kill.

Is god merciful or not?
Lamentation 2:2
The LORD hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob, and hath not pitied.
1 Chronicles 16:34; Psalm 106:1, 107:1, 118:1, 136:1; Jeremiah 33:11
O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good; for his mercy endureth forever

Who came first? Animals or Adam?
Genesis 1:25-27
(Humans were created after the other animals.)
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

Genesis 2:18-19
(Humans were created before the other animals.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Is adultery wrong?
Exodus 20:14, Deuteronomy 5:18
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Hosea 1:2
And the Lord said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms....

mig_killer2

derp, ok.

[QUOTE="jesus_freak105"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

mig_killer2

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

First of all you need to understand the meaning of omnipitent. God is not bound by time. Which means things are different to him. And what astranomical data is this website talking about that indicates that thearth is 13.7 billion years old?

With other galaxies at different stages of evolution is just like earth. The galaxys are just in different stages and doesn't proved they evolved that way. It's like monkeys on our planet and us. If you considered evolution real then it would be just as the evolution stages with primates and humans. This does not prove anything.

the galaxies in the hubble ultra deep field image were 13.7 billion light years away. It is physically impossible for light to reach us in 6000-10000 years if the source were 13.7 billion light years away because the laws of physics say that light is always the same speed no matter the frameof reference

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]

For all of you dorks who keep posting evidence that the bible does not contradict science, hereis a list where the bible contradicts ITSELF:

Does God respect us?
Genesis 4:4
And the Lord had respect unto Abel
Acts 10:34
God is no respecter of persons

Is he peaceful or warlike?
Exodus 15:3
The Lord is a man of war.
1 Corinthians 14:33
God is not the author of confusion but of peace

Can he be seen?
Genesis 18:1
And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre.
Exodus 33:20
There shall no man see me, and live.

How many gods are there?
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after our likeness
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord

To kill or not to kill?
Exodus 32:27
Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor
Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17
Thou shalt not kill.

Is god merciful or not?
Lamentation 2:2
The LORD hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob, and hath not pitied.
1 Chronicles 16:34; Psalm 106:1, 107:1, 118:1, 136:1; Jeremiah 33:11
O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good; for his mercy endureth forever

Who came first? Animals or Adam?
Genesis 1:25-27
(Humans were created after the other animals.)
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

Genesis 2:18-19
(Humans were created before the other animals.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Is adultery wrong?
Exodus 20:14, Deuteronomy 5:18
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Hosea 1:2
And the Lord said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms....

Messer_Partei

derp, ok.

For all of you dorks who keep posting evidence that the bible does not contradict science, hereis a list where the bible contradicts ITSELF:

Messer_Partei

1) Those were ALL out of context, surprise surprise.:roll:

2) Many, MANY "contradictions" are refutted here: http://www.tektonics.org/af/ebe04.html

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

jesus_freak105

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

First of all you need to understand the meaning of omnipitent. God is not bound by time. Which means things are different to him. And what astranomical data is this website talking about that indicates that thearth is 13.7 billion years old?

With other galaxies at different stages of evolution is just like earth. The galaxys are just in different stages and doesn't proved they evolved that way. It's like monkeys on our planet and us. If you considered evolution real then it would be just as the evolution stages with primates and humans. This does not prove anything.

the galaxies in the hubble ultra deep field image were 13.7 billion light years away. It is physically impossible for light to reach us in 6000-10000 years if the source were 13.7 billion light years away because the laws of physics say that light is always the same speed no matter the frameof reference

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="jesus_freak105"]

Any god using evolution is , a liar, and lazy. God said he made the things and it does not mention evolution. He would be lazy because he would let time take care of everything rather than him doing it himself.

I am very religious and I believe that the earth is young not millions of years old. And I think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

jesus_freak105

I think that if God DIDN'T do things over time, then the universe would collapse.

I'm very religous, and I believe the universe is billions of years old.

Read this: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html

First of all you need to understand the meaning of omnipitent. God is not bound by time. Which means things are different to him. And what astranomical data is this website talking about that indicates that thearth is 13.7 billion years old?

Christian philosophers have understood omnipotence in different ways. René Descartes though of omnipotence as the ability to do absolutely anything. According to Descartes, God can do the logically impossible; he can make square circles, and he can make 2 + 2 = 5.

Thomas Aquinas had a narrower conception of omnipotence. According to Aquinas, God is able to do anything possible; he can part the red sea, and he can restore the dead to life, but he cannot violate the laws of logic and mathematics in the way that Descartes thought that he could.

Why couldn't defy logical things then, if he was omnipitent.

I posted why.

The Bible itself refutes young-eart creationism.

Scriptural rebuttals to young-earth creation science

• Trouble in Paradise: Why the Young Earth Paradigm Fails the Test of the Biblical Worldview - The young earth paradigm contradicts biblical teaching about the nature of God and includes extrabiblical ideas that are not supported by scripture.
• Is the Young-Earth Interpretation Biblically Sound? - A young-earth interpretation of the creation account can be scripturally sound, but the prevalent young-earth interpretation is not.
• Millions of Years of Death and Suffering: Does the Old Earth View Compromise God's Character? According to young earth creationists, God initiated animal death because of Adam's sin. Are these the actions of a righteous Judge?
• Appearance of Age - A Young Earth Problem - Yes, this young earth doctrine is a problem, since it distorts and corrupts the true nature of the God of the Bible
• No Death Before the Fall - A Young Earth Problem - Young earth creationists claim that there was no animal death before the Fall. However, the Bible clearly indicates that Adam had seen predatory activity and death prior to Eve's creation.
• Was Adam Created as an Immortal Being? - Contrary to young earth theology, Adam was created as a mortal being, hence God's concern to remove Adam from having access to the tree of life as soon as he sinned.
• Genesis Clearly Teaches that the Days Were Not 24 Hours - An examination of the Genesis text to arrive at the proper interpretation of the lengths of the days
• Does the Bible Say God Created the Universe in Six 24-Hour Days? Many young earth ministries say that biblical Hebrew gives no possibility that the days are anything other than 24-hours in length. This pages shows that their 'rules" have many exceptions.
• The Hebrew Word "Yom" Used with a Number in Genesis 1 - What does "yom" mean in Genesis 1? by Rodney Whitefield, Ph.D.
• The Literal Interpretation of the Genesis One Creation Account - A literal interpretation of Genesis one solely from scripture leads us to conclude that the days must have been long periods of time
• The Genesis Flood- Why the Bible Says It Must be Local
  • Psalms 104:9 - Does it refer to the Original Creation or the Flood? - The concept of a global Genesis flood can be easily eliminated from a plain reading of Psalms 104
  • Rapid Post-Flood Speciation: A Critique of the Young-Earth Model Is the young-earth model of speciation scientifically and scripturally plausible?
• Biblical Evidence for Long Creation Days - Why the Bible indicates that the "days" are longer than 24 hours
• Biblical Defense of Long Creation Days - Answers questions that young-earth creationists have about the day-age interpretation of Genesis - using biblical support.
• Did God Create Carnivores on Day 6?
• The Vapor Canopy Theory- Why the Bible (and science) says it is false
• Does Romans 8-19-22 Refer to the Cursed Creation? Why this interpretation contradicts other scripture passages on the creation.
• Does Genesis 3-17 Really Say That God Cursed the Ground of the Entire Earth? Or does this verse really refer to the cursing of the ground in the garden of Eden?
• Exposing the New Young Earth Book Refuting Compromise - by Greg Neyman. Refuting the real compromisers.
• Because it Had Rained: A Study of Genesis 2:5-7 With Implications for Genesis 2:4-25 and Genesis 1:1-2:3 by Dr. Mark D. Futato - A rebuttal to the YEC idea that there was no rain before the flood. Part 2 (offsite).
• Does Old-Earth Creationism Contradict Genesis 1?: A Rebuttal to Terry Mortenson's Article "Evolution vs. Creation: the Order of Events Matters" - by Greg Moore
• Links - Read what others have to say - most written by former young-earth creationists.

[QUOTE="krystians"]

How can you believe that the first two people on earth were Adam and Eve, and then go to school and learn about the evolutionary theory. Which one is telling the truth? So you go to church on Sunday's, but then Monday to Friday you are learning something totally different. If you are following the bible you should not belive what you are learning in school, cause that just goes against what you belive.

Silver_Dragon17

Or maybe because Adam and Eve are compatible with evolution?

Ignorance.:roll:

Well...to hell with this thread...a bunch of interweb noobz aren't going to prove anything, I hate getting sucked into these threads.Messer_Partei

You say this like you've actually contributed anything intellectual to this thread, when all you've done is call religion stupid, throw out some out of context verses and claim that the entire Bible is false, and change the subject whenever proven wrong.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="krystians"]

How can you believe that the first two people on earth were Adam and Eve, and then go to school and learn about the evolutionary theory. Which one is telling the truth? So you go to church on Sunday's, but then Monday to Friday you are learning something totally different. If you are following the bible you should not belive what you are learning in school, cause that just goes against what you belive.

krystians

Or maybe because Adam and Eve are compatible with evolution?

Ignorance.:roll:

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="krystians"]

How can you believe that the first two people on earth were Adam and Eve, and then go to school and learn about the evolutionary theory. Which one is telling the truth? So you go to church on Sunday's, but then Monday to Friday you are learning something totally different. If you are following the bible you should not belive what you are learning in school, cause that just goes against what you belive.

krystians

Or maybe because Adam and Eve are compatible with evolution?

Ignorance.:roll:

Either. Adam and Eve could have been literal with evolution, or they could have been metaphorical for all of mankind. The evidence points to either one.

[QUOTE="krystians"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="krystians"]

How can you believe that the first two people on earth were Adam and Eve, and then go to school and learn about the evolutionary theory. Which one is telling the truth? So you go to church on Sunday's, but then Monday to Friday you are learning something totally different. If you are following the bible you should not belive what you are learning in school, cause that just goes against what you belive.

mig_killer2

Or maybe because Adam and Eve are compatible with evolution?

Ignorance.:roll:

No, he's one of the Atheists who think that Christians have to take the Bible entirely literal, or we aren't Christians. Nothing makes me angrier than somebody who knows nothing about my beliefs telling me how to believe in them.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="krystians"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="krystians"]

How can you believe that the first two people on earth were Adam and Eve, and then go to school and learn about the evolutionary theory. Which one is telling the truth? So you go to church on Sunday's, but then Monday to Friday you are learning something totally different. If you are following the bible you should not belive what you are learning in school, cause that just goes against what you belive.

Silver_Dragon17

Or maybe because Adam and Eve are compatible with evolution?

Ignorance.:roll:

No, he's one of the Atheists who think that Christians have to take the Bible entirely literal, or we aren't Christians. Nothing makes me angrier than somebody who knows nothing about my beliefs telling me how to believe in them.

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]Well...to hell with this thread...a bunch of interweb noobz aren't going to prove anything, I hate getting sucked into these threads.Silver_Dragon17

You say this like you've actually contributed anything intellectual to this thread, when all you've done is call religion stupid, throw out some out of context verses and claim that the entire Bible is false, and change the subject whenever proven wrong.

I haven't been proven wrong, and for the record neither have you. That's the point. :|

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="krystians"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="krystians"]

How can you believe that the first two people on earth were Adam and Eve, and then go to school and learn about the evolutionary theory. Which one is telling the truth? So you go to church on Sunday's, but then Monday to Friday you are learning something totally different. If you are following the bible you should not belive what you are learning in school, cause that just goes against what you belive.

Silver_Dragon17

Or maybe because Adam and Eve are compatible with evolution?

Ignorance.:roll:

No, he's one of the Atheists who think that Christians have to take the Bible entirely literal, or we aren't Christians. Nothing makes me angrier than somebody who knows nothing about my beliefs telling me how to believe in them.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Messer_Partei"]Well...to hell with this thread...a bunch of interweb noobz aren't going to prove anything, I hate getting sucked into these threads.Messer_Partei

You say this like you've actually contributed anything intellectual to this thread, when all you've done is call religion stupid, throw out some out of context verses and claim that the entire Bible is false, and change the subject whenever proven wrong.

I haven't been proven wrong, and for the record neither have you. That's the point. :|

You've been proven wrong about the contradictions, you've been proven wrong about the Bible not endourcing reason, you've been wrong about the Bible being against science, and others.:|

Hmm, I've never understood these people. Until you've graduated High School and recived the standard dose of common knowledge about science and biology, you're not qualified to question or to have a religious belief that is in direct contradiction with the things you're about to learn....That's my opinion.

Hmm, I've never understood these people. Until you've graduated High School and recived the standard dose of common knowledge about science and biology, you're not qualified to question or to have a religious belief that is in direct contradiction with the things you're about to learn....That's my opinion.

jointed

A god or gods may exist, because such things are unfalsifiable and ultimately out of the domain of humans.

But the christian god, or any other man made god, does not exist. This is for many reasons, one of the reasons being christians/muslims/whatever cant even agree among themselves what god is like or what the bible says, or whether its literal or metaphorical.

The most sensible thing to me would just be to study the universe around us rather than make such grand assumptions.

A god or gods may exist, because such things are unfalsifiable and ultimately out of the domain of humans.

But the christian god, or any other man made god, does not exist. This is for many reasons, one of the reasons being christians/muslims/whatever cant even agree among themselves what god is like or what the bible says, or whether its literal or metaphorical.

The most sensible thing to me would just be to study the universe around us rather than make such grand assumptions.

Loonie

God created science

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[QUOTE="Loonie"]

A god or gods may exist, because such things are unfalsifiable and ultimately out of the domain of humans.

But the christian god, or any other man made god, does not exist. This is for many reasons, one of the reasons being christians/muslims/whatever cant even agree among themselves what god is like or what the bible says, or whether its literal or metaphorical.

The most sensible thing to me would just be to study the universe around us rather than make such grand assumptions.

mig_killer2

Starting? Um ok...