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#1 lex_in_the_moon
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I don't just mean marijuana, I mean ALL (cocaine, heroin etc.). I say yes, the war on drugs doesn't do anything it just distracts police officers from doing police work that matters. People are going to do drugs no matter what and this shouldn't mean they should be placed on the same level of rapists and robbers. Also if we move all drug trafficing to certain areas of a city we can attempt to sanitize drug use and help the users instead of throwing them away as "scum of society." But hey that's just me.

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#2 LiftedHeadshot
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No.
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#3 almasdeathchild
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yes i think so hold people accountable for their actions,hell drugs cause people to lose weight

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#4 LJS9502_basic
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No...not necessary.
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#5 DroidPhysX
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I'd rather end the federal intervention and leave these decisions up to the state governments.

Edit: In united states obviously

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#6 Pirate700
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Not just no, Hell no. Pot is one thing. Hard drugs no.

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#7 branketra
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Certain ones are unnecessarily criminalized.
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#8 mrmusicman247
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I don't think so.
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#9 arsenal262
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Marijuana yes as it does not negatively affect you. Coke,ecstacy, ect NO!! I have seen people literally sell everthing they have just for a fix.

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#10 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Yes. All these laws do is put people in prision. Laws should protect people not ruin lives

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#11 Just-Breathe
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Laws should protect people not ruin livestoast_burner

Um, laws are put in place to protect people from drugs which do ruin lives :|

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#12 Am_Confucius
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Lol no.

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No considering how badly some of those hard drugs can ruin their lives. They are literally poison. Heroin, meth, even large amounts of cocaine are deadly and ruin people's lives.

There is a reason those laws are in place.

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#14 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Laws should protect people not ruin livesJust-Breathe

Um, laws are put in place to protect people from drugs which do ruin lives :|

Yes because locking you up for having some drugs on you is protecting you.

I'd rather be a free and a drug addict than go to prision (and still be a drug addict)

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#15 Smileyvirus
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Yeah legalise em, make em cheap and widely available, let all the crackheads and needlejockeys kill themselves on it. More room on the planet for sensible people then.
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Yes, prohibition never worked and never will...
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#17 almasdeathchild
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[QUOTE="Just-Breathe"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Laws should protect people not ruin livestoast_burner

Um, laws are put in place to protect people from drugs which do ruin lives :|

Yes because locking you up for having some drugs on you is protecting you.

I'd rather be a free and a drug addict than go to prision (and still be a drug addict)

im with this guy getting put in prision for possesion is stupid especialy when they can put you in for five years.

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#18 achilles614
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Not just no, Hell no. Pot is one thing. Hard drugs no.

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It would be one thing if people weren't locked up for drug use, but legalizing them and seeing cocaine/whatever in my pharmacy or in stores and commercials on TV for it would make me facepalm.
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#19 Gen007
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yeah that's a really bad idea. Those drugs really mess people up on both a physical and mental scale. Legalizing them would only serve to ruin many lives. In some places it would probably get so bad that you would mistake it for a scene from I Am Legend.

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#20 branketra
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Not just no, Hell no. Pot is one thing. Hard drugs no.

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It would be one thing if people weren't locked up for drug use, but legalizing them and seeing cocaine/whatever in my pharmacy or in stores and commercials on TV for it would make me facepalm.

That's why they should be decriminalized in some cases. Legalization is something different.
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#21 VaguelyTagged
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i'd say legalize everything so the police won't waste any of it's precious time on illegalized stuff. :)

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#22 Spitfirer
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That would totally be irresponsible for a government. Plus, keep in mind that some people are retarded.

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#23 mrbojangles25
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tough question.

I don't think people should be penalized (at least not severely) for possessing or using it, but I don't want most drugs to be sold.

Weed should definitely be legal, though. So should shrooms, ecstacy, and the other minor drugs.

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Yes, prohibition never worked and never will...Stavrogin_
Just because prohibitions against bad behavior doesn't stop individuals from engaging in said behavior doesn't mean that you just let anything go. Why enforce prohibitions against child pornography, if that were the case?
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#25 arsenal262
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tough question.

I don't think people should be penalized (at least not severely) for possessing or using it, but I don't want most drugs to be sold.

Weed should definitely be legal, though. So should shrooms, ecstacy, and the other minor drugs.

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ecstacy? A minor drug? dont think so.

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#26 sexyweapons
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Nope!

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#27 achilles614
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="Pirate700"] That's why they should be decriminalized in some cases. Legalization is something different.

Title said legalized. I've seen someone I love dearly lose her life to Crack-cocaine and while I may strongly think that it should forever be illegal I'm not vain enough to think I can control how people want to abuse their body. At the end of the day that's all this argument is, wanting to control what people put in their body. The people for this are most likely those who abuse/control their partners or friends as well. ****ing borderline psycho behavior. A law should never dictate what I'm "allowed" to consume.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

tough question.

I don't think people should be penalized (at least not severely) for possessing or using it, but I don't want most drugs to be sold.

Weed should definitely be legal, though. So should shrooms, ecstacy, and the other minor drugs.

arsenal262

ecstacy? A minor drug? dont think so.

MDMA a minor drug? Yes, the crap you find on the street called X (to me just meth-bombs)? No. But they are two COMPLETELY different drugs. The effects X is demonized for aren't necessarily from the MDMA but what it's cut with.
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Hell no! I'm up for being able to smoke weed legally, but I draw the line there. One thing I've noticed about the heavier stuff is that some people can't even control themselves with it (those bats*** insane meth addicts, people who OD on coke and heroin) there's just some things that man shouldn't have free reign to abuse. I mean, there's people out there who can't even handle their liquor...I imagine it'll get a whole lot worse when drugs are that easy to obtain.
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="achilles614"] It would be one thing if people weren't locked up for drug use, but legalizing them and seeing cocaine/whatever in my pharmacy or in stores and commercials on TV for it would make me facepalm.achilles614
That's why they should be decriminalized in some cases. Legalization is something different.

Title said legalized. I've seen someone I love dearly lose her life to Crack-cocaine and while I may strongly think that it should forever be illegal I'm not vain enough to think I can control how people want to abuse their body. At the end of the day that's all this argument is, wanting to control what people put in their body. The people for this are most likely those who abuse/control their partners or friends as well. ****ing borderline psycho behavior. A law should never dictate what I'm "allowed" to consume.

Sure it did, but threads are about discussion. The good and bad thing about people is that we are social. What we do affects other people. Take drunk driving, for example. It's the cause of the deaths of a lot of people, but the killer didn't inebriate the victim. On average.

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#30 achilles614
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Hell no! I'm up for being able to smoke weed legally, but I draw the line there. One thing I've noticed about the heavier stuff is that some people can't even control themselves with it (those bats*** insane meth addicts, people who OD on coke and heroin) there's just some things that man shouldn't have free reign to abuse. I mean, there's people out there who can't even handle their liquor...I imagine it'll get a whole lot worse when drugs are that easy to obtain. DethSkematik
So because you enjoy weed you think it should be legalized? What about the people who enjoy or accept heroin? And whose to say who can "handle" what? All breaks down to wanting control something that is not your right to control.
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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]Yes, prohibition never worked and never will...dsmccracken
Just because prohibitions against bad behavior doesn't stop individuals from engaging in said behavior doesn't mean that you just let anything go. Why enforce prohibitions against child pornography, if that were the case?

I'm talking about consumption, not bad behavior. Not saying we should legalize murder too...
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#32 StrifeDelivery
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Probably no. Some of the harder drugs have serious side-effects, and their general use will basically destroy you. I'm looking at severe uses of meth, heroin, and even the new krokodil (Desomorphine) that is springing up around Russia.

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#33 achilles614
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Sure it did, but threads are about discussion. The good and bad thing about people is that we are social. What we do affects other people. Take drunk driving, for example. It's the cause of the deaths of a lot of people, but the killer didn't inebriate the victim. BranKetra
I was just stating why I specifically referred to a complete legalization when I mentioned the threads title. I'm sorry but maybe it's my parents arguing in the back-round but I'm not quite grasping your last sentence. What does the killer inebriating the victim have to do with him hitting him? Drunk or not wouldn't affect ones ability to dodge cars. While I understand that peoples actions affect others, charge them based on those actions not the drugs that may or may not have lead to it.
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#34 samuraiguns
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Every form of drug should be legalized as drug use only harms a singular person and not many (except in the case of a family, then I'm not sure what to do).

If a dude with no responsibility, other than himself, wants to have a little cocaine and a side of life, why should anybody stop him?

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#35 hoola
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I'd rather end the federal intervention and leave these decisions up to the state governments.

Edit: In united states obviously

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I agree with this. However, I think they should be legalized on the state level as well. I have yet to see a good reason to keep them illegal.

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I'd prefer if it was a state matter.

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I don't just mean marijuana, I mean ALL (cocaine, heroin etc.). I say yes, the war on drugs doesn't do anything it just distracts police officers from doing police work that matters. People are going to do drugs no matter what and this shouldn't mean they should be placed on the same level of rapists and robbers. Also if we move all drug trafficing to certain areas of a city we can attempt to sanitize drug use and help the users instead of throwing them away as "scum of society." But hey that's just me.

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So you think we won't win the war on drugs so we should just give in? If you can't beat em then join em kind of mentality? No. Drugs should not be legal. And if someone wants to quit a drug they are many ways to do so where they aren't thought of as 'scum.'
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Other than marijuana, absolutely not.
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[QUOTE="DethSkematik"]Hell no! I'm up for being able to smoke weed legally, but I draw the line there. One thing I've noticed about the heavier stuff is that some people can't even control themselves with it (those bats*** insane meth addicts, people who OD on coke and heroin) there's just some things that man shouldn't have free reign to abuse. I mean, there's people out there who can't even handle their liquor...I imagine it'll get a whole lot worse when drugs are that easy to obtain. achilles614
So because you enjoy weed you think it should be legalized? What about the people who enjoy or accept heroin? And whose to say who can "handle" what? All breaks down to wanting control something that is not your right to control.

Come on, man. You're seriously trying to justify giving junkies the greenlight to shoot up wherever they see fit? Now I don't discriminate against people who have drug addictions, but that scenario is pretty insane. I mean, the way I see it, those who "want" their fix already have a way to obtain it, and those who don't want to mess with the stuff won't. Legalizing it would have absolutely no point but to pursuade other people into trying it out, and that's really no different than the tobacco company trying to persuade children into smoking. And yeah, might not be "my right to control" but giving this control globally is just some form of manipulation in itself.
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[QUOTE="achilles614"]What does the killer inebriating the victim have to do with him hitting him? Drunk or not wouldn't affect ones ability to dodge cars. While I understand that peoples actions affect others, charge them based on those actions not the drugs that may or may not have lead to it.

I'm saying it isn't the victim's fault if he gets hit by a drunk driver. If he's following the law. Just as that victim is not at fault for being T-boned by some drunk, someone like a child isn't at fault for being affected by their parents while they're using drugs and they end up ruining their whole family's lives.
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[QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="DethSkematik"]Hell no! I'm up for being able to smoke weed legally, but I draw the line there. One thing I've noticed about the heavier stuff is that some people can't even control themselves with it (those bats*** insane meth addicts, people who OD on coke and heroin) there's just some things that man shouldn't have free reign to abuse. I mean, there's people out there who can't even handle their liquor...I imagine it'll get a whole lot worse when drugs are that easy to obtain. DethSkematik
So because you enjoy weed you think it should be legalized? What about the people who enjoy or accept heroin? And whose to say who can "handle" what? All breaks down to wanting control something that is not your right to control.

Come on, man. You're seriously trying to justify giving junkies the greenlight to shoot up wherever they see fit? Now I don't discriminate against people who have drug addictions, but that scenario is pretty insane. I mean, the way I see it, those who "want" their fix already have a way to obtain it, and those who don't want to mess with the stuff won't. Legalizing it would have absolutely no point but to pursuade other people into trying it out, and that's really no different than the tobacco company trying to persuade children into smoking. And yeah, might not be "my right to control" but giving this control globally is just some form of manipulation in itself.

alot of meds are easaly abused and alcohol is just as bad as alot of the illegal drugs.so why not greenlight it?

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I think what many people in this thread don't realize is that just because something like heroin becomes legal, doesn't mean everyone's going to start doing it. Heroin and other hardcore drugs being illegal isn't what stop me from doing them. If I really had the desire to consume hardcore drugs, I could do so, regardless of whether they're illegal or not.

Also, whoever uses the argument of "who am I to tell a woman what to do with her body" in terms of abortions also must be fine drugs being legal. Unless you're a hypocrite.

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The bottom line is, prohibition never stops anything. It only creates a new breed of criminals, like the famous bootleggers of the 20s and early 30s, and today's Mexican and Colombian cartels who make billions every year by smuggling drugs. Ever with harsher punishments and stricter laws everyone is still able to buy any drug he wants, anytime of day. That even has the opposite effect, Iran for example gives death sentences to drug dealers on a regular basis, but Iran has the highest heroin addiction rate in the world. Prohibition has done nothing, absolutely nothing to stop it, that stuff is widely available for everyone. In fact, those laws made it worse, by creating new opportunities for criminals... I see no point in drug prohibition, just as there was no point in alcohol prohibition. People will abuse their bodies if that's what they want to do, no law is going to stop that.
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#45 branketra
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I think what many people in this thread don't realize is that just because something like heroin becomes legal, doesn't mean everyone's going to start doing it. Heroin and other hardcore drugs being illegal isn't what stop me from doing them. If I really had the desire to consume hardcore drugs, I could do so, regardless of whether they're illegal or not.

Also, whoever uses the argument of "who am I to tell a woman what to do with her body" in terms of abortions also must be fine drugs being legal. Unless you're a hypocrite.

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There are people who will. That's what matters.
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[QUOTE="DethSkematik"][QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="DethSkematik"] Come on, man. You're seriously trying to justify giving junkies the greenlight to shoot up wherever they see fit? Now I don't discriminate against people who have drug addictions, but that scenario is pretty insane. I mean, the way I see it, those who "want" their fix already have a way to obtain it, and those who don't want to mess with the stuff won't. Legalizing it would have absolutely no point but to pursuade other people into trying it out, and that's really no different than the tobacco company trying to persuade children into smoking. And yeah, might not be "my right to control" but giving this control globally is just some form of manipulation in itself.

I'm trying to rise above the notion that it's my right to control someone. Like you said junkies already get their fix, clearly nothing is really in the way of that. Legalizing or decriminalizing WILL affect drug dealers hard much harder than some think. Talk to any guy high up in a dope ring, this is their business and well being, take away their advantage as distributor and they are over. The drugs may be bad yes, but when used responsibly not so much. These dealers goal is to create addicts that's their business model, same as Tobacco companies. I'm for outing the dealers and cartels not the drugs which making illegal helped create said cartels. End of the day, not your body. Given that what argument do you stand on or can you stand on? We already have our legal drug cartels distributing cigarettes, alcohol, and medicine. How many middle age women addicted to prescribed oxycontin in the suburbs have you heard of? People will be addicts no matter the legality of the substance. And how does it affect us (addiction and drug use)? The way I see it the war on drugs has created as many if not more problems than the drugs themselves. [QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="achilles614"]What does the killer inebriating the victim have to do with him hitting him? Drunk or not wouldn't affect ones ability to dodge cars. While I understand that peoples actions affect others, charge them based on those actions not the drugs that may or may not have lead to it.

I'm saying it isn't the victim's fault if he gets hit by a drunk driver. If he's following the law. Just as that victim is not at fault for being T-boned by some drunk, someone like a child isn't at fault for being affected by their parents while they're using drugs and they end up ruining their whole family's lives.

Then charge them for driving while drunk. The driver screwed up when he got behind the wheel while being drunk, not when he went to drink a beer. Make something illegal and you just increased it's value greatly and made it to only be sold on the black-market with zero regulations. I wonder why there's so much violence in the drug trade. Being illegal makes it more dangerous for the user and the non-user supposedly affected by the junkie by bringing guns into the trade. (If it was legal then the distributor could actually use legal methods to protect his product.)
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#47 mingmao3046
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uhh yes they should be legalized. no reason not to. drug use in itself is a victimless crime
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#48 dommeus
Member since 2004 • 9433 Posts

I don't think ecstasy should be illegal.

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#49 surrealnumber5
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there should be no law either way, it should not be criminal and there should be no law saying it is legal, there should be no "victimless" or behavioral laws at all. there is no justice in harming those who have not done anything ill to anyone else

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#50 branketra
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[QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="achilles614"]What does the killer inebriating the victim have to do with him hitting him? Drunk or not wouldn't affect ones ability to dodge cars. While I understand that peoples actions affect others, charge them based on those actions not the drugs that may or may not have lead to it.

I'm saying it isn't the victim's fault if he gets hit by a drunk driver. If he's following the law. Just as that victim is not at fault for being T-boned by some drunk, someone like a child isn't at fault for being affected by their parents while they're using drugs and they end up ruining their whole family's lives.

Then charge them for driving while drunk. The driver screwed up when he got behind the wheel while being drunk, not when he went to drink a beer.

They are charged for drunk driving, which is a part of my point. Decriminalizing certain drugs rather than completely legalizing them would be better. That way, if people truly want to smoke crack, it's their business. However, legalizing is more akin to a product like food, drink, or a technology. It's more complicated with things like cigarettes, salvia, and alcohol. However, with something like cigarettes, only one person is smoking it but everyone in proximity to the smoker is affected by second hand smoke. With things like salvia and alcohol, it's more of an influential effect than the direct effects of second-hand smoke. If there were evidence that things like heroin weren't bad for you and, since humans are a social species, not affecting those around you, I would support it. At this point, I have not.