[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="greenprince"] Prep school? I dont think so. My brother has no intentions of going to university, but does that mean he did not recieve higher education??? College and universities are all stated ''higher education'' but I find weird that students in Universities feel superior to college students....LukeAF24i think its more from a degree standpoint.. associates degree vs. bachelors.. many employers will look for a bachelors as a min. education req. Not to mention the fact that in order to teach at most community colleges, you are only required to have a BA. Actually believe it or not, the college that I'm going to ( Sheridan college) has professors that hold  Master's degree and many hold Doctoral degrees. But then again, Sheridan is one the most sucessful and well respected college in Canada...
Should rich people give their money to poor people ?
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. NrGcHaRgE021How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be.
[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. yoshi-lnexHow is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really.
[QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="greenprince"] Prep school? I dont think so. My brother has no intentions of going to university, but does that mean he did not recieve higher education??? College and universities are all stated ''higher education'' but I find weird that students in Universities feel superior to college students....greenprincei think its more from a degree standpoint.. associates degree vs. bachelors.. many employers will look for a bachelors as a min. education req. Not to mention the fact that in order to teach at most community colleges, you are only required to have a BA. Actually believe it or not, the college that I'm going to ( Sheridan college) has professors that hold Master'sdegree and many hold Doctoral degrees. But then again, Sheridan is one the most sucessful and well respected college in Canada... There's nothing wrong going there and there's no reason we shouldnt feel superior to community college students. Colleges and Universities are much more academically challenging and the entrance difficulties are exceptionally higher. Also Sheridan for one of the most respected in Canada? No offense, but no. Maybe for animation, but otherwise, no. Not that Brock is great. McGill, McMaster, York, UofC, UofT, UWO, UBC, Queen's, WLU are all MUCH better and higher regarded.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. -Karayan-How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really. Doesn't mean I dont feel that way. I consider myself compassionate. I'm not a Christian though.
[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. NrGcHaRgE021How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really. Doesn't mean I dont feel that way. I consider myself compassionate. I'm not a Christian though. I thought you were, guess I was wrong. Either way, just saying you're compassionate for other but not willing to dig into your time or wallet for it makes you a hypocrite.
[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. -Karayan-How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really. Doesn't mean I dont feel that way. I consider myself compassionate. I'm not a Christian though. I thought you were, guess I was wrong. Either way, just saying you're compassionate for other but not willing to dig into your time or wallet for it makes you a hypocrite. I'm Jewish. And as I said maaaaaaaany pages back, my family gives around $15K a year to charity....Hypocrite? Dont think so.
what do you think ?
konichiwa21
Since it's not their money to begin with - if by rich people you mean capitalists (those who buy other peoples labour and can do so because they own land, factories, businesses) - it is by all means right. Not from an objective perspective of course - because there is nothing objectively right or wrong - but from the perspective of working, wage-labouring people.
[QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="greenprince"] Prep school? I don't think so. My brother has no intentions of going to university, but does that mean he did not recieve higher education??? College and universities are all stated ''higher education'' but I find weird that students in Universities feel superior to college students....NrGcHaRgE021i think its more from a degree standpoint.. associates degree vs. bachelors.. many employers will look for a bachelors as a min. education req. Not to mention the fact that in order to teach at most community colleges, you are only required to have a BA. Actually believe it or not, the college that I'm going to ( Sheridan college) has professors that hold Master's degree and many hold Doctoral degrees. But then again, Sheridan is one the most successful and well respected college in Canada...There's nothing wrong going there and there's no reason we shouldn't feel superior to community college students. Colleges and Universities are much more academically challenging and the entrance difficulties are exceptionally higher. Also Sheridan for one of the most respected in Canada? No offense, but no. Maybe for animation, but otherwise, no. Not that Brock is great. McGill, Mc Master, York, Uo fC, Uo fT, UWO, UBC, Queen's, WLU are all MUCH better and higher regarded.Tell that to the students of York and Brock...damn those kids are ignorant and thanks, glad to know that they are university students who don't feel superior. Its getting in my nerves... and oh, you misinterpret my quote, I mean among other community colleges not universities ( thats a different topic) But in my situation for example, the best way to enter York university, McGill or Mc Master I have to go to a well known community college, Sheridan seems to be my best chance considering its very successful and well known compared to other community colleges....
[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. NrGcHaRgE021How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really. Doesn't mean I dont feel that way. I consider myself compassionate. I'm not a Christian though. I thought you were, guess I was wrong. Either way, just saying you're compassionate for other but not willing to dig into your time or wallet for it makes you a hypocrite. I'm Jewish. And as I said maaaaaaaany pages back, my family gives around $15K a year to charity....Hypocrite? Dont think so. Same thing in my eyes. Wow, your family gives money, that makes you a great person. :roll: Besides, it really depends on how much you make.
isn't that just communism?nickmag
Communism is not that. Communism means the abolition of private ownership of the means of production - the capitalist system which allows a minority of people to control the majority of our world's wealth, and to force the majority of the people to work for wages that the capitalists decide. And they are quite successful at making people believe that this system is neccessary and irreplacable.
From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need - this is communism!
rich people aren't rich because they went to school... or because they work harder than you or I do...
truly rich people got that way because they inherited it, had an idea and acted on it, or work in a position where they are responsible for huge amounts of money and have some control over setting their own compensation...
truly rich people chuckle when poor people and middle class and upper middle class (ie, all of us) argue about "rich"people, because they know that 99.9% of those argueing have no clue who the truly "rich" are and how much they are really worth... you think someone earning a millon dollar a year salary is rich, but these people make that in just interest in their investments... or top executives that make $100 million in just their annual BONUS...
I voted "no" in the poll, but strongly feel that those with wealth have an obligation to the society (not just "poor"people) that made acquiring that wealth possible...
[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. -Karayan-How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really. Doesn't mean I dont feel that way. I consider myself compassionate. I'm not a Christian though. I thought you were, guess I was wrong. Either way, just saying you're compassionate for other but not willing to dig into your time or wallet for it makes you a hypocrite. I'm Jewish. And as I said maaaaaaaany pages back, my family gives around $15K a year to charity....Hypocrite? Dont think so. Same thing in my eyes. Wow, your family gives money, that makes you a great person. :roll: Besides, it really depends on how much you make.Doesnt make you a bad aperson either:wink:
if they want to, but no they shouldnt have to. Bleive it or not, alotta rich people worked for their money.Shalashaska77
Believe it or not. Alot didn't.
[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]there's no reason we shouldnt feel superior to community college students.theburgFeeling 'superior' to someone because they chose a different path in life than you is deplorable. Deplorable is a bit excessive. Why shouldnt we? If they cant afford it fine. They have scholarships for those who cant afford it to attend the same schools. We worked hard to get to where we are. They generally didnt.
[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="greenprince"] Prep school? I don't think so. My brother has no intentions of going to university, but does that mean he did not recieve higher education??? College and universities are all stated ''higher education'' but I find weird that students in Universities feel superior to college students....greenprincei think its more from a degree standpoint.. associates degree vs. bachelors.. many employers will look for a bachelors as a min. education req. Not to mention the fact that in order to teach at most community colleges, you are only required to have a BA. Actually believe it or not, the college that I'm going to ( Sheridan college) has professors that hold Master's degree and many hold Doctoral degrees. But then again, Sheridan is one the most successful and well respected college in Canada...There's nothing wrong going there and there's no reason we shouldn't feel superior to community college students. Colleges and Universities are much more academically challenging and the entrance difficulties are exceptionally higher. Also Sheridan for one of the most respected in Canada? No offense, but no. Maybe for animation, but otherwise, no. Not that Brock is great. McGill, Mc Master, York, Uo fC, Uo fT, UWO, UBC, Queen's, WLU are all MUCH better and higher regarded.Tell that to the students of York and Brock...damn those kids are ignorant and thanks, glad to know that they are university students who don't feel superior. Its getting in my nerves... and oh, you misinterpret my quote, I mean among other community colleges not universities ( thats a different topic) But in my situation for example, the best way to enter York university, McGill or Mc Master I have to go to a well known community college, Sheridan seems to be my best chance considering its very successful and well known compared to other community colleges....
That's fine. Having a gameplan is a great thing. Good for you. Just so you know, I dont want you to think I, or other university students (any that I know) go around badmouthing community colleges and straight up saying to people like you that we are superior. I'd never do that.
[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. -Karayan-How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really. Doesn't mean I dont feel that way. I consider myself compassionate. I'm not a Christian though. I thought you were, guess I was wrong. Either way, just saying you're compassionate for other but not willing to dig into your time or wallet for it makes you a hypocrite. I'm Jewish. And as I said maaaaaaaany pages back, my family gives around $15K a year to charity....Hypocrite? Dont think so. Same thing in my eyes. Wow, your family gives money, that makes you a great person. :roll: Besides, it really depends on how much you make.
It does make me a great person. What should I do? My main extracurricular is community service. I help mentally challenged kids play baseball. Is that ok with you?
rich people aren't rich because they went to school... or because they work harder than you or I do...
truly rich people got that way because they inherited it, had an idea and acted on it, or work in a position where they are responsible for huge amounts of money and have some control over setting their own compensation...
truly rich people chuckle when poor people and middle forbidden>1fast6
Truly rich people usually get their start from heading huge Fortune 500 companies. We know plenty of people like that who in your words earn what we do and more in just their investments. Many of them are nice, humble people like we are. We happen to know one who's a complete and utter jerk. I think you're presuming a lot about the top wealth.
[QUOTE="theburg"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]there's no reason we shouldnt feel superior to community college students.NrGcHaRgE021Feeling 'superior' to someone because they chose a different path in life than you is deplorable. Deplorable is a bit excessive. Why shouldnt we? If they cant afford it fine. They have scholarships for those who cant afford it to attend the same schools. We worked hard to get to where we are. They generally didnt. It depends on everyones situation. If you want to judge yourself as 'superior' to another on an individual basis, fine, but to take your paintbrush and wildly swath the label 'inferior' over the entire population of community college students is careless and deplorable. A poor, urban youth graduating from a state school [even if it is via community college for a couple years] is far more impressive than the rich private schooled kid who makes it into harvard because one had to overcome more hurdles than the other because of very strong societal constraints that most people seem to diminish in importance or ignore altogether.
[QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="greenprince"] Prep school? I don't think so. My brother has no intentions of going to university, but does that mean he did not recieve higher education??? College and universities are all stated ''higher education'' but I find weird that students in Universities feel superior to college students....NrGcHaRgE021i think its more from a degree standpoint.. associates degree vs. bachelors.. many employers will look for a bachelors as a min. education req. Not to mention the fact that in order to teach at most community colleges, you are only required to have a BA. Actually believe it or not, the college that I'm going to ( Sheridan college) has professors that hold Master's degree and many hold Doctoral degrees. But then again, Sheridan is one the most successful and well respected college in Canada...There's nothing wrong going there and there's no reason we shouldn't feel superior to community college students. Colleges and Universities are much more academically challenging and the entrance difficulties are exceptionally higher. Also Sheridan for one of the most respected in Canada? No offense, but no. Maybe for animation, but otherwise, no. Not that Brock is great. McGill, Mc Master, York, Uo fC, Uo fT, UWO, UBC, Queen's, WLU are all MUCH better and higher regarded.Tell that to the students of York and Brock...damn those kids are ignorant and thanks, glad to know that they are university students who don't feel superior. Its getting in my nerves... and oh, you misinterpret my quote, I mean among other community colleges not universities ( thats a different topic) But in my situation for example, the best way to enter York university, McGill or Mc Master I have to go to a well known community college, Sheridan seems to be my best chance considering its very successful and well known compared to other community colleges....
That's fine. Having a gameplan is a great thing. Good for you. Just so you know, I dont want you to think I, or other university students (any that I know) go around badmouthing community colleges and straight up saying to people like you that we are superior. I'd never do that.
[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. -Karayan-How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really. Doesn't mean I dont feel that way. I consider myself compassionate. I'm not a Christian though. I thought you were, guess I was wrong. Either way, just saying you're compassionate for other but not willing to dig into your time or wallet for it makes you a hypocrite. I'm Jewish. And as I said maaaaaaaany pages back, my family gives around $15K a year to charity....Hypocrite? Dont think so. Same thing in my eyes. Wow, your family gives money, that makes you a great person. :roll: Besides, it really depends on how much you make.
It does make me a great person. What should I do? My main extracurricular is community service. I help mentally challenged kids play baseball. Is that ok with you?
rich people aren't rich because they went to school... or because they work harder than you or I do...
truly rich people got that way because they inherited it, had an idea and acted on it, or work in a position where they are responsible for huge amounts of money and have some control over setting their own compensation...
truly rich people chuckle when poor people and middle forbidden>1fast6
Truly rich people usually get their start from heading huge Fortune 500 companies. We know plenty of people like that who in your words earn what we do and more in just their investments. Many of them are nice, humble people like we are. We happen to know one who's a complete and utter jerk. I think you're presuming a lot about the top wealth.
Of course those they are "nice" and "humble"; they play it safe not to upset people because they have alot to lose.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Shalashaska77"]if they want to, but no they shouldnt have to. Bleive it or not, alotta rich people worked for their money.NrGcHaRgE021most are simply born into it without a lick of work.....is that really fair in socioty? hahahahahh born into it? No. Fair? Not everything is fair, as I said. if everything is fair, why are people unhappy?
[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Shalashaska77"]if they want to, but no they shouldnt have to. Bleive it or not, alotta rich people worked for their money.xxQuadropwnedxxmost are simply born into it without a lick of work.....is that really fair in socioty? hahahahahh born into it? No. Fair? Not everything is fair, as I said. if everything is fair, why are people unhappy? I said it isnt fair....
How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really. Doesn't mean I dont feel that way. I consider myself compassionate. I'm not a Christian though. I thought you were, guess I was wrong. Either way, just saying you're compassionate for other but not willing to dig into your time or wallet for it makes you a hypocrite. I'm Jewish. And as I said maaaaaaaany pages back, my family gives around $15K a year to charity....Hypocrite? Dont think so. Same thing in my eyes. Wow, your family gives money, that makes you a great person. :roll: Besides, it really depends on how much you make.
[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. NrGcHaRgE021
It does make me a great person. What should I do? My main extracurricular is community service. I help mentally challenged kids play baseball. Is that ok with you?
That makes you a good person if that's true, as far as you can base it on that. Though I do not see why you wouldn't support the poor politically then. :|
[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really. Doesn't mean I dont feel that way. I consider myself compassionate. I'm not a Christian though. I thought you were, guess I was wrong. Either way, just saying you're compassionate for other but not willing to dig into your time or wallet for it makes you a hypocrite. I'm Jewish. And as I said maaaaaaaany pages back, my family gives around $15K a year to charity....Hypocrite? Dont think so. Same thing in my eyes. Wow, your family gives money, that makes you a great person. :roll: Besides, it really depends on how much you make.
[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. -Karayan-
It does make me a great person. What should I do? My main extracurricular is community service. I help mentally challenged kids play baseball. Is that ok with you?
That makes you a good person if that's true, as far as you can base it on that. Though I do not see why you wouldn't support the poor politically then. :|
And why would "poor people" want to live at the mercy of those who own and control everything in society? I sure as hell don't. I want to do away with the system.
Besides, the day I win the lottery or become a millionaire the last thing I will be thinking is giving it away...it's my money and I worked my ass off to get it...unlike the tramps' ass' living on the streets who ****** there own life up.
:oops: end of hating.
And why would "poor people" want to live at the mercy of those who own and control everything in society? I sure as hell don't. I want to do away with the system.doubutsuteki
They keep each other alive. Without the working class, businesses wouldnt have a market for their products and without a market for products, poor people wouldnt have jobs. I am a huge sympathizer for poor people and I have read a ton of socialist theory BUT the way it is in the world [america at least]Â right now, lets just say it could be a LOT worse. If people were actually paid in accordance with the amount of marginal product they produce for a firm, there would be a lot more 12 hour shifts and children going down in coal mines.
No, they're probably rich because either they or their ancestors earned it.
Now, for heirs and heiresses who do nothing (*cough* paris hilton), they didn't earn it and those are the rich people that I dislike and have no respect for. Someone should rob them with a MAC-11.
[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]How is that in any sence fair or right? While many people may struggle with multiple jobs to scrape by with the bare minimum, some do nothing to earn their way and simply profit off of socioty while giving little back, how can that be justified? If you make more off of socioty, you should be expected to give more, for the general benifit of socioty. As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem. Should be. Yeah, it's called compassion for your fellow human. I thought that that's high on the Christian's agenda. :| Christian conservatism is an oxymoron really. Doesn't mean I dont feel that way. I consider myself compassionate. I'm not a Christian though. I thought you were, guess I was wrong. Either way, just saying you're compassionate for other but not willing to dig into your time or wallet for it makes you a hypocrite. I'm Jewish. And as I said maaaaaaaany pages back, my family gives around $15K a year to charity....Hypocrite? Dont think so. Same thing in my eyes. Wow, your family gives money, that makes you a great person. :roll: Besides, it really depends on how much you make.
[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Mumbles527"]Its their money, let them do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to charities, good for them. If they choose to live the most extravagant life possible, or just let their children inherit it all, thats their right. -Karayan-
It does make me a great person. What should I do? My main extracurricular is community service. I help mentally challenged kids play baseball. Is that ok with you?
That makes you a good person if that's true, as far as you can base it on that. Though I do not see why you wouldn't support the poor politically then. :|
What makes you think I dont support them politically?
[QUOTE="Shalashaska77"]if they want to, but no they shouldnt have to. Bleive it or not, alotta rich people worked for their money.doubutsuteki
Believe it or not. Alot didn't.
My parents came from a very rural, stupid part of tennessee, where very little where educated. They worked through college (with a kid at age 20) without anyones help, and got where they are today by nothing but hard work and perseverance. And as far as im concerned, besides taxes, they dont owe anyone a damn thing.
Absoloutly no...the majority of tramps are tramps because they spent there money on drugs and were thrown out by there family.
Besides, the day I win the lottery or become a millionaire the last thing I will be thinking is giving it away...it's my money and I worked my ass off to get it...unlike the tramps' ass' living on the streets who ****** there own life up.
:oops: end of hating.
Brainkiller05
What a clever post, Mr Brainkiller. What's dead is dead, it can't be helped. I'm not trying to make an effort to revive your dead brain, I just feel like replying to your silly post. Now, why do you think those people spent their money on drugs and why do you think they were thrown out by their family? Obviously just because, right? Hell, they probably did it for fun. While I don't doubt that this is the case for some people it certainly doesn't apply to all people. You see, maybe because this society is based on hard work and competition in all aspects of life - economically, socially, culturally - some people will fail, because they are born with lesser means to survive in society, be it economically, socially, culturally. In fact, everyone who is forced to sell his or her labour in order to survive (in other words the majority of the people) can screw up. There is little security in society, and the little security we have exists because working people demanded it and fought for it, because it was in their common interest - and it differs between countries. Clearly most tramps did not choose to be tramps, and those few who did probably don't want the money anyway. But obviously you haven't worked your ass off for millions you won on the lottery.
[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"]And why would "poor people" want to live at the mercy of those who own and control everything in society? I sure as hell don't. I want to do away with the system.theburg
They keep each other alive. Without the working class, businesses wouldnt have a market for their products and without a market for products, poor people wouldnt have jobs. I am a huge sympathizer for poor people and I have read a ton of socialist theory BUT the way it is in the world [america at least] right now, lets just say it could be a LOT worse. If people were actually paid in accordance with the amount of marginal product they produce for a firm, there would be a lot more 12 hour shifts and children going down in coal mines.
You haven't read nearly enough socialist theory if you believe that a market economy is the only way to organize a society economically.
AND, Gamespot's totally ridiculous censoring DESTROYED the more elaborate version of my reply that I was about to post. Thank you so much!!
A Hong-Kong like government would be better probably.Def_Jef88
Not bloody likely.
I guess that makes you a believer.
If I come from a middle class family. Work my *** off in school and become a doctor. And spent 12 years in college working for it. Why should I share my money with some wannabe thug who decided it was cool to play gangster instead of actually learning in school? And now has to work at Mcdonalds.Acenso
And let's say I worked those 12 years you spent studying. I was productive for 12 years, and you were not. Still, chances are 12 years of studies will make you a good doctor, and you should get paid for your work.
Though I would rather visit a doctor who has a genuine interest in his job, than someone who does it just because it pays well.
It is this unjust economic system that creates thugs.
One atheist asked me the other day,
"If God loves us then why are there starving children around the world dieing as we speak?"
There are enough resources to go around so that the poor don't die of starvation or dehydration, but we're too greedy to really care. It's because of Sin that millions are dieing and because of this, things won't change.
I guess that makes you a believer.
Believer in____? [QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"] What makes you think I dont support them politically? You implied you don't want a socialist community. " As i've said and will continue to say, capitalism isnt necessarily fair. Life isnt fair. It's a shame that people are poor and the like, but that isnt everyone else's problem." I believe in capitalism fully. So we should abolish the government laws of business, any subsidized healthcare, and of course all public education. Amairite? I think abolish is a far ways off.
[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"]You haven't read nearly enough socialist theory if you believe that a market economy is the only way to organize a society economicallytheburg
:lol: Did I say that? All I said was that it could be a lot worse.
It sure can be. And charity is not preferable over collective insurance funded by taxes. We cannot believe in the good will of the capitalists to pay up, we must force them.
I guess that makes you a believer.
Believer in____?
Adam Smith's invisible hand.
[QUOTE="theburg"][QUOTE="doubutsuteki"]You haven't read nearly enough socialist theory if you believe that a market economy is the only way to organize a society economicallydoubutsuteki
:lol: Did I say that? All I said was that it could be a lot worse.
It sure can be. And charity is not preferable over collective insurance funded by taxes. We cannot believe in the good will of the capitalists to pay up, we must force them.
Dont argue with me, im on your side. I do wish glitchspot hadnt deleted your post though :(
[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Absoloutly no...the majority of tramps are tramps because they spent there money on drugs and were thrown out by there family.
Besides, the day I win the lottery or become a millionaire the last thing I will be thinking is giving it away...it's my money and I worked my ass off to get it...unlike the tramps' ass' living on the streets who ****** there own life up.
:oops: end of hating.
doubutsuteki
What a clever post, Mr Brainkiller. What's dead is dead, it can't be helped. I'm not trying to make an effort to revive your dead brain, I just feel like replying to your silly post. Now, why do you think those people spent their money on drugs and why do you think they were thrown out by their family? Obviously just because, right? Hell, they probably did it for fun. While I don't doubt that this is the case for some people it certainly doesn't apply to all people. You see, maybe because this society is based on hard work and competition in all aspects of life - economically, socially, culturally - some people will fail, because they are born with lesser means to survive in society, be it economically, socially, culturally. In fact, everyone who is forced to sell his or her labour in order to survive (in other words the majority of the people) can screw up. There is little security in society, and the little security we have exists because working people demanded it and fought for it, because it was in their common interest - and it differs between countries. Clearly most tramps did not choose to be tramps, and those few who did probably don't want the money anyway. But obviously you haven't worked your ass off for millions you won on the lottery.
Put it this way smartass, I'm not gunna give a tramp my money because it's mine...it's mine, not the tramps. I look out for myself and my family and friends, not random smelly people on the street who ****** there life, that may seem harsh but meh.
The question "Should rich people give poor people money?" - No they shouldn't, but if they are kind enough to and they want to then they will do so. You can't say "You've got lots of money, you should give some to that guy"
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