Should the names/address of pistol license holders ever be published?

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I don't know how many people know about this, but on Christmas Eve the Rockland Journal News posted an article and an online interactive map that lists the names/addresses(mine included) of every pistol license holder in Rockland, Westchester and Putnam counties.

Should this information be public record and thus able to be printed in a newspaper?

My name/address is on that list, even though I'm a cop and that information is supposed to be controlled. Anybody with an internet connection can now see my name and address, if they cared to look for it. How is this a smart thing to do? This enables any burglar to see which house has a pistol permit and either target those houses to sell the guns on the black market, or to target houses that don't have pistol licenses. I think this is outrageously irresponsible.

Well at least thieves now know which places to avoid. This may very well save lives.

That is seriously messed up. I would be furious if I were you

That is seriously messed up. I would be furious if I were you

BossPerson

I am. Haven't had a very good holiday because of it.

I saw that. Imo it's crossing a line, but the newspaper really did nothing wrong in terms of breaking the law, since unless I'm mistaken, the information is already in the public domain. They simply compiled it together. These kind of databases in general are a nuisance to society and should be eliminated. Same thing with the sex offfender registry and the NRA's idiotic idea of databasing people with mental illnesses.

Well at least thieves now know which places to avoid. This may very well save lives.

Storm_Marine

And now those who want to obtain guns illegally know which houses to rob.

I saw that. Imo it's crossing a line, but the newspaper really did nothing wrong in terms of breaking the law, since unless I'm mistaken, the information is already in the public domain. They simply compiled it together. These kind of databases in general are a nuisance to society and should be eliminated. Same thing with the sex fffender registry and the NRA's idiotic idea of databasing people with mental illnesses.

TacticalDesire

I know it's not against the law, which is why I'm hoping Senator Greg Ball succeeds with his legislation.

That is seriously messed up. I would be furious if I were you

BossPerson

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Well at least thieves now know which places to avoid. This may very well save lives.

airshocker

And now those who want to obtain guns illegally know which houses to rob.

there's always a catch

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Well at least thieves now know which places to avoid. This may very well save lives.

airshocker

And now those who want to obtain guns illegally know which houses to rob.

Not to mention they know which houses don't have guns. Although I kind of feel like the whole stealing of firearms thing is a bit over blown. You're a cop so you might know, but aren't only around 10% of gun related crimes committed with stolen guns?

No. It's like equating gun owners to criminals which is ridiculous.

Not to mention they know which houses don't have guns. Although I kind of feel like the whole stealing of firearms thing is a bit over blown. You're a cop so you might know, but aren't only around 10% of gun related crimes committed with stolen guns?

TacticalDesire

I'm not sure what the national statistics are, somebody from the FBI or ATF might be able to answer that better for you, but I know in 2011 we only had three gun-related crimes committed in the county of Rockland by pistol permit holders. All other gun-related crime was done with illegal firearms. We have around 20,000 pistol license holders in this county.

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

I saw that. Imo it's crossing a line, but the newspaper really did nothing wrong in terms of breaking the law, since unless I'm mistaken, the information is already in the public domain. They simply compiled it together. These kind of databases in general are a nuisance to society and should be eliminated. Same thing with the sex fffender registry and the NRA's idiotic idea of databasing people with mental illnesses.

airshocker

I know it's not against the law, which is why I'm hoping Senator Greg Ball succeeds with his legislation.

Wasn't a very smart thing to do on the newspapers behalf. It's really not helping anyone. Like I said though, these kind of registries only serve to rile up the masses and get them angry with people who they know nothing about other than they appear on said registry. Sometimes it even leads to vandalism of the person's home and propety in the case of those on the list of sex offenders.

Gun registry of any kind, including carry permits, should be nonexistent. It's a right, not a privilege.

They're sickos and losers for doing what they did. But if it's public info, sure, it's the paper's right. But that doesn't make it right. ;)
God bless,
Crushmaster.

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Well at least thieves now know which places to avoid. This may very well save lives.

TacticalDesire

And now those who want to obtain guns illegally know which houses to rob.

Not to mention they know which houses don't have guns. Although I kind of feel like the whole stealing of firearms thing is a bit over blown. You're a cop so you might know, but aren't only around 10% of gun related crimes committed with stolen guns?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

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keeps guns in video gaimz
guns for seeing who has dhat hand eye coordination
not on ppl obv

Gun registry of any kind, including carry permits, should be nonexistent. It's a right, not a privilege.

They're sickos and losers for doing what they did. But if it's public info, sure, it's the paper's right. But that doesn't make it right. ;)
God bless,
Crushmaster.

Crushmaster

Well, owning a gun is a privilege pretty much by definition since you do need a permit and are expected to follow certain protocol. That doesn't mean what the paper did was right however.

This was a really bonehead move by that newspaper. I saw it on the news down here in the Atlanta area and they showed the map that was published (not smart there either mind you). If I were the police, I would be protesting that paper's main office showing how stupid they were.

I hope nothing happens to you or your family there airshocker. Good luck.

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

And now those who want to obtain guns illegally know which houses to rob.

Fightingfan

Not to mention they know which houses don't have guns. Although I kind of feel like the whole stealing of firearms thing is a bit over blown. You're a cop so you might know, but aren't only around 10% of gun related crimes committed with stolen guns?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

Ah yeah, that's what I had read. They get them through illegitimate means, but most are not stolen from registered gun owners.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

Gun registry of any kind, including carry permits, should be nonexistent. It's a right, not a privilege.

They're sickos and losers for doing what they did. But if it's public info, sure, it's the paper's right. But that doesn't make it right. ;)
God bless,
Crushmaster.

TacticalDesire

Well, owning a gun is a privilege pretty much by definition since you do need a permit and are expected to follow certain protocol. That doesn't mean what the paper did was right however.

You don't need a permit to purchase one, and technically you don't need a permit to carry one(Police can't simply card you because you're practicing your open carry law in open carry states).

For example, here in Florida you don't need a permit for anything besides a pistol. And you don't have to inform anyone(law enforcement) you have a pistol so it doesn't require a permit 'technically' yay loop holes.

You put more stuff out willingly on Facebook. Meh.

edit: nevermind just the read the full article. wows

You put more stuff out willingly on Facebook. Meh.

edit: nevermind just the read the full article. wows

Aljosa23

To friends and family that I trust, yes.

It just seems like a line is being crossed.

Perhaps those who voted "yes" could be brave enough to expand on why they think it's a good idea.

One of the points of a concealed weapons permit is so people DON'T know you have a gun. Kind of defeats the purpose if any of those people have one.

SOURCE

I don't know how many people know about this, but on Christmas Eve the Rockland Journal News posted an article and an online interactive map that lists the names/addresses(mine included) of every pistol license holder in Rockland, Westchester and Putnam counties.

Should this information be public record and thus able to be printed in a newspaper?

My name/address is on that list, even though I'm a cop and that information is supposed to be controlled. Anybody with an internet connection can now see my name and address, if they cared to look for it. How is this a smart thing to do? This enables any burglar to see which house has a pistol permit and either target those houses to sell the guns on the black market, or to target houses that don't have pistol licenses. I think this is outrageously irresponsible.

airshocker

I think everyone already knows you own a gun, Sherriff Joe.

One of the points of a concealed weapons permit is so people DON'T know you have a gun. Kind of defeats the purpose if any of those people have one.

WiiCubeM1

I thought the biggest justification for cocealed carry was that everyone thought that everyone else owned a gun as a deterrent?

Gun registry of any kind, including carry permits, should be nonexistent. It's a right, not a privilege.

They're sickos and losers for doing what they did. But if it's public info, sure, it's the paper's right. But that doesn't make it right. ;)
Satan bless,
Crushmaster.

Crushmaster

Jesus Horsef*cking Christ, haven't you been lobotomized yet?

I think everyone already knows you own a gun, Sherriff Joe.

theone86

Most everyone doesn't know where I live, nor should they.

I thought the biggest justification for cocealed carry was that everyone thought that everyone else owned a gun as a deterrent?

theone86

The reasoning behind it is that they don't know who owns a gun...

Are you on crack?

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I thought the biggest justification for cocealed carry was that everyone thought that everyone else owned a gun as a deterrent?

airshocker

The reasoning behind it is that they don't know who owns a gun...

Are you on crack?

So you're saying that criminals do research on who owns a gun before committing a crime? Are you on crack? No need to answer, Joe, my homeboy in one of your pens just gave you some crack pro bono the other day.

So you're saying that criminals do research on who owns a gun before committing a crime? Are you on crack? No need to answer, Joe, my homeboy in one of your pens just gave you some crack pro bono the other day.

theone86

How could that be what I was trying to say when I was responding to your nonsensical question about the purpose of conceal to carry?

Troll harder.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

So you're saying that criminals do research on who owns a gun before committing a crime? Are you on crack? No need to answer, Joe, my homeboy in one of your pens just gave you some crack pro bono the other day.

airshocker

How could that be what I was trying to say when I was responding to your nonsensical question about the purpose of conceal to carry?

Troll harder.

It's okay, Joe, I'll keep quiet about your panties fetish (although the lamestream media already has most of the details anyways).

It's okay, Joe, I'll keep quiet about your panties fetish (although the lamestream media already has most of the details anyways).

theone86

We now have proof that liberalism rots the brain. Victory!

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It's okay, Joe, I'll keep quiet about your panties fetish (although the lamestream media already has most of the details anyways).

airshocker

We now have proof that liberalism rots the brain. Victory!

What, you dress prisoners up in panties and you expect us to think it's not sexual? It won't fly, Joe, no it won't.

"Those who trade liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both" -Ben Franklin ... I'm pretty sure we've already passed the point of giving up our liberty / freedom.

Blankety blank blank, haven't you been lobotomized yet?theone86

No, they should not.

That is seriously messed up. I would be furious if I were you

BossPerson

That is seriously messed up. I would be furious if I were you

BossPerson

Screw them. It's time to post the addresses of the Newspaper management. Complete with interactive maps showing the value of their house. Let's see how long it takes them to cry that their privacy has been violated. It's only fair.

Are the dozen or so people who voted yes actually going to speak up?