Should these teens get 5 years in prison?

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]

And do they deserve respect after killing an innocent animal?mrbojangles25

I love how people think of animals as "innocent". Its like youre saying they lived a good life free of sins and were stand up citizans in the cat community

"Ah yes, I remember Fluffy the cat. He was a great cat, and did not deserve the fate of the microwave. Never did he scratcheth the furniture or eateth the gopher and leave a severed gopher head at thy door...indeed, Fluffy was a true innocent and his 10 minutes of suffering at the hands of now-remorseful teenagers deserves a stiff, harsh penalty."

come on people, animals are a lot of things but you cant say theyre "innocent".

Okay , maybe innocent was the wrong word. Lol

Once again, millions of chickens die in a disgusting manner. Millions of cows and millions of pigs. A lot of these animals are poorly treated (thats an understatement). No one will ever go to jail for that it seems the smaller the scale the more it's frowned upon when it comes to animal cruelty.swizz-the-gamer

We could live without meat. I do.swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Wolf-avatar"]

Thats Horrible and sick.I hope they rot in prison.

swizz-the-gamer

but we eat chickens, cows, and pigs.

You dont eat cats.

Therefore anyone that kills a chicken, cow, or pig is a hero to the world and gives us life-sustaining protein.

yes I know we can but 1.) I am a chef, and as a result I appreciate meat and 2.) humans are meant to eat meat (canine teeth, forward-facing eyes, etc) and I do not want to live some sort of half fulfilled life. I LOVE MEAT!

But seriously, good for you...I have no probelm with vegetarians, only vegans annoy me.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Franken_Berry"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]Why's that?xscrapzx

Because we want killers killed.

So mass murderers, or serial rapists shouldn't be punished with death?

No, you're right, we should just let them rot in our over-stuffed pirsons until they get released because we can't afford to house them. =|

Number of people the kids killed= 0.

Number of people they could kill in the future with this mentality probably quite a few. Then again weren't you just saying in another thread to keep pets off my property because if you didn't they would die? I wonder what you would do if you saw these two kids come in your house of all places and do this to you, ya I bet you would of sat down and had tea with them.

Thank goodness that in my country, people don't get punished for crimes that they MIGHT one day do at some indefinite time in the future.

yes I know we can but 1.) I am a chef, and as a result I appreciate meat and 2.) humans are meant to eat meat (canine teeth, forward-facing eyes, etc) and I do not want to live some sort of half fulfilled life. I LOVE MEAT!

But seriously, good for you...I have no probelm with vegetarians, only vegans annoy me.

mrbojangles25

We aren't SUPPOSED to eat meat. We evolved to be able to eat it.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Once again, millions of chickens die in a disgusting manner. Millions of cows and millions of pigs. A lot of these animals are poorly treated (thats an understatement). No one will ever go to jail for that it seems the smaller the scale the more it's frowned upon when it comes to animal cruelty.foxhound_fox

Ask the average person if they have any idea where their chicken dinner came from and whether or not it lived (and died) humanely, and you're gonna get a blanck stare.

Most people just don't give a ****.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Once again, millions of chickens die in a disgusting manner. Millions of cows and millions of pigs. A lot of these animals are poorly treated (thats an understatement). No one will ever go to jail for that it seems the smaller the scale the more it's frowned upon when it comes to animal cruelty.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Once again, millions of chickens die in a disgusting manner. Millions of cows and millions of pigs. A lot of these animals are poorly treated (thats an understatement). No one will ever go to jail for that it seems the smaller the scale the more it's frowned upon when it comes to animal cruelty.swizz-the-gamer

Some people are sick..

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Wolf-avatar"]

Thats Horrible and sick.I hope they rot in prison.

mrbojangles25

but we eat chickens, cows, and pigs.

You dont eat cats.

Therefore anyone that kills a chicken, cow, or pig is a hero to the world and gives us life-sustaining protein.

yes I know we can but 1.) I am a chef, and as a result I appreciate meat and 2.) humans are meant to eat meat (canine teeth, forward-facing eyes, etc) and I do not want to live some sort of half fulfilled life. I LOVE MEAT!

But seriously, good for you...I have no probelm with vegetarians, only vegans annoy me.

I guess we should kill all the hunters and fishermen then, they are killing animals for entertainment too. That's a lot of men, women and kids to kill.

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]Why's that?Franken_Berry

Because we want killers killed.

So mass murderers, or serial rapists shouldn't be punished with death?

No, you're right, we should just let them rot in our over-stuffed pirsons until they get released because we can't afford to house them. =|

Umm, I think you mis-read.

If it were upto me, I'd have murderers, rapists, paedophiles and terrorists executed upon conviction. Possibly more.

But that's just me.

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]

And do they deserve respect after killing an innocent animal?mrbojangles25

I love how people think of animals as "innocent". Its like youre saying they lived a good life free of sins and were stand up citizans in the cat community

"Ah yes, I remember Fluffy the cat. He was a great cat, and did not deserve the fate of the microwave. Never did he scratcheth the furniture or eateth the gopher and leave a severed gopher head at thy door...indeed, Fluffy was a true innocent and his 10 minutes of suffering at the hands of now-remorseful teenagers deserves a stiff, harsh penalty."

come on people, animals are a lot of things but you cant say theyre "innocent".

What they mean by innocent is they aren't doing anything wrong to deserve being tortured and killed, they don't know what is evil or what is good. They can't comprehend what is going around them like Humans do. Thats what innocent means, do you think a cat knocks over a cup of water, do you really think he sits there and says "hahaha that was so funny i knocked over water!" Are you serious right now? You really are looking at the definition in such a wrong way.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

All you people should be ashamed of yourselves.

Kill PEOPLE as punishment for killing a CAT?

Jesus, you people are even worse than those two kids.

luke1889

Nah-ah. That's called cold, hard justice.

The way it should be, in my opinion.

No, it's called satisfying your sick fricking desire to see people die.

Think of it as social cleansing.

If we could eradicate all people like that - that is to say people who are clearly of no benefit to society whatsoever - we'd be sorted. In all honesty, who's going to miss them? Not me, that's for sure.

dude...that's f***ing messed up. :|

I feel like i could cry after reading that :(..poor thing..

Those kids deserve more than just 5 years imo, they are just sick people.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Franken_Berry"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]Why's that?MrGeezer

Because we want killers killed.

So mass murderers, or serial rapists shouldn't be punished with death?

No, you're right, we should just let them rot in our over-stuffed pirsons until they get released because we can't afford to house them. =|

Number of people the kids killed= 0.

Number of people they could kill in the future with this mentality probably quite a few. Then again weren't you just saying in another thread to keep pets off my property because if you didn't they would die? I wonder what you would do if you saw these two kids come in your house of all places and do this to you, ya I bet you would of sat down and had tea with them.

Thank goodness that in my country, people don't get punished for crimes that they MIGHT one day do at some indefinite time in the future.

Are you ok? I never said they should get punished for something they haven't done, but I'm sorry anyone who goes into a house steals property of someones who worked their asses off to get, and then destory their house and on top of it ruthelessly kill a cat by placing it in a microwave and then not only that, writing on the walls, "hey you a had a nice cat!" I'm sorry but that is the start of a physcopath and they should be punished severly for those actions. Now if you don't think they need mental help, then don't give it to them, just give them a slap on the wrist and let them know that there is no ramifications for such actions. Wow :|

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Franken_Berry"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]Why's that?xscrapzx

Because we want killers killed.

So mass murderers, or serial rapists shouldn't be punished with death?

No, you're right, we should just let them rot in our over-stuffed pirsons until they get released because we can't afford to house them. =|

Number of people the kids killed= 0.

Number of people they could kill in the future with this mentality probably quite a few. Then again weren't you just saying in another thread to keep pets off my property because if you didn't they would die? I wonder what you would do if you saw these two kids come in your house of all places and do this to you, ya I bet you would of sat down and had tea with them.

Thank goodness that in my country, people don't get punished for crimes that they MIGHT one day do at some indefinite time in the future.

Are you ok? I never said they should get punished for something they haven't done, but I'm sorry anyone who goes into a house steal property of someone who worked their asses to get, and destory it all and on top of it rutheless kill a cat by placing them in a microwave and then not only that writing on the walls hey you a had a nice cat! I'm sorry but that is the start of a physcopath and they be punished severly for those actions. Now if you don't think they need mental help, then don't give it to them, just give them a slap on the wrist and let them know that there is no ramifications for such actions. Wow :|

Pay attention. We weren't discussing whether or not they should be punished, we were discussing how sick it is to say that they should be KILLED.

[QUOTE="luke1889"]Think of it as social cleansing.

If we could eradicate all people like that - that is to say people who are clearly of no benefit to society whatsoever - we'd be sorted. In all honesty, who's going to miss them? Not me, that's for sure.

chrisrooR

dude...that's f***ing messed up. :|

Hey, these people are the kind that commit crimes - both minor and serious, dabble with drugs, rob, steal, rape, probably sponge off the State, never do an honest day's work in their lives...and so on. Y'know, the kind of people that no decent member of society cares about?

Yeah, I'm sure most people wouldn't mind if those kind of people weren't around.

Are you sure? There are videos of chickens being kicked into vans, cows being neutered with no anaesthetic with a knife all for popular fast food chains. These people working there take no care to kill the animals humanly because they are paid next to nothing. What difference does it make if an animal is being literally tortured for entertainment or out of sheer laziness.swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]

And do they deserve respect after killing an innocent animal?xscrapzx

I love how people think of animals as "innocent". Its like youre saying they lived a good life free of sins and were stand up citizans in the cat community

"Ah yes, I remember Fluffy the cat. He was a great cat, and did not deserve the fate of the microwave. Never did he scratcheth the furniture or eateth the gopher and leave a severed gopher head at thy door...indeed, Fluffy was a true innocent and his 10 minutes of suffering at the hands of now-remorseful teenagers deserves a stiff, harsh penalty."

come on people, animals are a lot of things but you cant say theyre "innocent".

What they mean by innocent is they aren't do anything wrong do deserve being tortured and killed, they don't know what is evil or what is good. They can't comprehend what is going around them like Humans do. Thats what innocent means, do you think a cat knocks over a cup of water, do you really think he sits there and says "hahaha that was so funny i knocked over water!" Are you serious right now? You really are looking at the definition in such a wrong way.

But going by your logics, you could argue that these kids suffer from mental disorders and they don't comprehend what's evil and what's not, so they are just as innocent.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Franken_Berry"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]Why's that?MrGeezer

Because we want killers killed.

So mass murderers, or serial rapists shouldn't be punished with death?

No, you're right, we should just let them rot in our over-stuffed pirsons until they get released because we can't afford to house them. =|

Number of people the kids killed= 0.

Number of people they could kill in the future with this mentality probably quite a few. Then again weren't you just saying in another thread to keep pets off my property because if you didn't they would die? I wonder what you would do if you saw these two kids come in your house of all places and do this to you, ya I bet you would of sat down and had tea with them.

Thank goodness that in my country, people don't get punished for crimes that they MIGHT one day do at some indefinite time in the future.

Are you ok? I never said they should get punished for something they haven't done, but I'm sorry anyone who goes into a house steal property of someone who worked their asses to get, and destory it all and on top of it rutheless kill a cat by placing them in a microwave and then not only that writing on the walls hey you a had a nice cat! I'm sorry but that is the start of a physcopath and they be punished severly for those actions. Now if you don't think they need mental help, then don't give it to them, just give them a slap on the wrist and let them know that there is no ramifications for such actions. Wow :|

Pay attention. We weren't discussing whether or not they should be punished, we were discussing how sick it is to say that they should be KILLED.

Why don't you pay attention I knew exactly what you were talking about and I simply stated that with this kind of mentality could result in something much worse as time progresses with their age. I never said they should be killed, but then you started saying something as outragous as "Thank goodness that in my country, people don't get punished for crimes that they MIGHT one day do at some indefinite time in the future." Which was not what I was trying to say at all. :roll: Why don't you ask what I mean instead of trying to assume otherwise.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]

And do they deserve respect after killing an innocent animal?Tykain

I love how people think of animals as "innocent". Its like youre saying they lived a good life free of sins and were stand up citizans in the cat community

"Ah yes, I remember Fluffy the cat. He was a great cat, and did not deserve the fate of the microwave. Never did he scratcheth the furniture or eateth the gopher and leave a severed gopher head at thy door...indeed, Fluffy was a true innocent and his 10 minutes of suffering at the hands of now-remorseful teenagers deserves a stiff, harsh penalty."

come on people, animals are a lot of things but you cant say theyre "innocent".

What they mean by innocent is they aren't do anything wrong do deserve being tortured and killed, they don't know what is evil or what is good. They can't comprehend what is going around them like Humans do. Thats what innocent means, do you think a cat knocks over a cup of water, do you really think he sits there and says "hahaha that was so funny i knocked over water!" Are you serious right now? You really are looking at the definition in such a wrong way.

But going by your logics, you could argue that these kids suffer from mental disorders and they don't comprehend what's evil and what's not, so they are just as innocent.

Look I'm sorry but if they were that bad, then that means they are no fit for society, meaning they would of already been in a physco ward. Sense I don't know much about these kids other than the story they were probably just trouble makers and went real extreme this time around.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]

And do they deserve respect after killing an innocent animal?xscrapzx

I love how people think of animals as "innocent". Its like youre saying they lived a good life free of sins and were stand up citizans in the cat community

"Ah yes, I remember Fluffy the cat. He was a great cat, and did not deserve the fate of the microwave. Never did he scratcheth the furniture or eateth the gopher and leave a severed gopher head at thy door...indeed, Fluffy was a true innocent and his 10 minutes of suffering at the hands of now-remorseful teenagers deserves a stiff, harsh penalty."

come on people, animals are a lot of things but you cant say theyre "innocent".

What they mean by innocent is they aren't do anything wrong do deserve being tortured and killed, they don't know what is evil or what is good. They can't comprehend what is going around them like Humans do. Thats what innocent means, do you think a cat knocks over a cup of water, do you really think he sits there and says "hahaha that was so funny i knocked over water!" Are you serious right now? You really are looking at the definition in such a wrong way.

yes, they do it on purpose. You obviously havent read the comic Get Fuzzy enough, or owned enough cats as I have (I currently have four wonderful kitties! One of whom just turned 15 human years old.).

You see, carts are evil! EEEEEVIIIIILLLLLL!

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]

And do they deserve respect after killing an innocent animal?mrbojangles25

I love how people think of animals as "innocent". Its like youre saying they lived a good life free of sins and were stand up citizans in the cat community

"Ah yes, I remember Fluffy the cat. He was a great cat, and did not deserve the fate of the microwave. Never did he scratcheth the furniture or eateth the gopher and leave a severed gopher head at thy door...indeed, Fluffy was a true innocent and his 10 minutes of suffering at the hands of now-remorseful teenagers deserves a stiff, harsh penalty."

come on people, animals are a lot of things but you cant say theyre "innocent".

The point is that they put an animal which can't fight back because it's such a small creature, in such a horrible position and then they watched how it suffered much pain for a long time, until it finally died in agony. No animal deserves such faith, this is why they are called innocent when they die such a horrible death. I would've called you something that starts with "smart" and ends with "your bottom" but apparently it's considered swearing on this forum, even if the person, like you, is really acting as such. Please stop acting as such.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Are you seriously defending those kids? This kind of behaviour is usually a sign of things to come. Who knows what these kids will do in the future?

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="luke1889"]Think of it as social cleansing.

If we could eradicate all people like that - that is to say people who are clearly of no benefit to society whatsoever - we'd be sorted. In all honesty, who's going to miss them? Not me, that's for sure.

luke1889

dude...that's f***ing messed up. :|

Hey, these people are the kind that commit crimes - both minor and serious, dabble with drugs, rob, steal, rape, probably sponge off the State, never do an honest day's work in their lives...and so on. Y'know, the kind of people that no decent member of society cares about?

Yeah, I'm sure most people wouldn't mind if those kind of people weren't around.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Wolf-avatar"]

Thats Horrible and sick.I hope they rot in prison.

swizz-the-gamer

but we eat chickens, cows, and pigs.

You dont eat cats.

Therefore anyone that kills a chicken, cow, or pig is a hero to the world and gives us life-sustaining protein.

yes I know we can but 1.) I am a chef, and as a result I appreciate meat and 2.) humans are meant to eat meat (canine teeth, forward-facing eyes, etc) and I do not want to live some sort of half fulfilled life. I LOVE MEAT!

But seriously, good for you...I have no probelm with vegetarians, only vegans annoy me.

dude, just be quiet. you're the reason I almost-hate vegetatians; you have this holier than thou attitude, like youre doing the right thing, and that your way is the best way.

leave us alone, extremist; there is nothing wrong with killing an animal and eating its flesh, be it a fish, chicken, cow, etc.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Are you sure? There are videos of chickens being kicked into vans, cows being neutered with no anaesthetic with a knife all for popular fast food chains. These people working there take no care to kill the animals humanly because they are paid next to nothing. What difference does it make if an animal is being literally tortured for entertainment or out of sheer laziness.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Franken_Berry"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]Why's that?xscrapzx

Because we want killers killed.

So mass murderers, or serial rapists shouldn't be punished with death?

No, you're right, we should just let them rot in our over-stuffed pirsons until they get released because we can't afford to house them. =|

Number of people the kids killed= 0.

Number of people they could kill in the future with this mentality probably quite a few. Then again weren't you just saying in another thread to keep pets off my property because if you didn't they would die? I wonder what you would do if you saw these two kids come in your house of all places and do this to you, ya I bet you would of sat down and had tea with them.

Thank goodness that in my country, people don't get punished for crimes that they MIGHT one day do at some indefinite time in the future.

Are you ok? I never said they should get punished for something they haven't done, but I'm sorry anyone who goes into a house steal property of someone who worked their asses to get, and destory it all and on top of it rutheless kill a cat by placing them in a microwave and then not only that writing on the walls hey you a had a nice cat! I'm sorry but that is the start of a physcopath and they be punished severly for those actions. Now if you don't think they need mental help, then don't give it to them, just give them a slap on the wrist and let them know that there is no ramifications for such actions. Wow :|

Pay attention. We weren't discussing whether or not they should be punished, we were discussing how sick it is to say that they should be KILLED.

Why don't you pay attention I knew exactly what you were talking about and I simply stated that with this kind of mentality could result in something much worse as time progresses with their age. I never said they should be killed, but then you started saying something as outragous as "Thank goodness that in my country, people don't get punished for crimes that they MIGHT one day do at some indefinite time in the future." Which was not what I was trying to say at all. :roll: Why don't you ask what I mean instead of trying to assume otherwise.

It doesn't matter because he's wrong anyway. We DO punish people for what they may do some day. If you are deemed to be a threat to yourself or others by a licensed professional we take measures to prevent you from being that threat. This is why we have forced admissions in psych hospitals, etc.

[QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="luke1889"]Think of it as social cleansing.

If we could eradicate all people like that - that is to say people who are clearly of no benefit to society whatsoever - we'd be sorted. In all honesty, who's going to miss them? Not me, that's for sure.

swizz-the-gamer

dude...that's f***ing messed up. :|

Hey, these people are the kind that commit crimes - both minor and serious, dabble with drugs, rob, steal, rape, probably sponge off the State, never do an honest day's work in their lives...and so on. Y'know, the kind of people that no decent member of society cares about?

Yeah, I'm sure most people wouldn't mind if those kind of people weren't around.

From my experience, those kind of people are like their parents and attract similar-minded friends anyway.

All I'm saying is that society would be better off without the scum.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Are you sure? There are videos of chickens being kicked into vans, cows being neutered with no anaesthetic with a knife all for popular fast food chains. These people working there take no care to kill the animals humanly because they are paid next to nothing. What difference does it make if an animal is being literally tortured for entertainment or out of sheer laziness.swizz-the-gamer

so youre saying I should make cheese (which requires dairy farms, a fate almost as "bad" as the slaughterhouse) then take the residual whey runoff, atomize and vaporize it, flavor it with different kinds of artificial crap, and ingest that as opposed to a nice juicy burger and chicken parmasean?

Sure, sign me up! lol

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]

And do they deserve respect after killing an innocent animal?BlackAlpha666

I love how people think of animals as "innocent". Its like youre saying they lived a good life free of sins and were stand up citizans in the cat community

"Ah yes, I remember Fluffy the cat. He was a great cat, and did not deserve the fate of the microwave. Never did he scratcheth the furniture or eateth the gopher and leave a severed gopher head at thy door...indeed, Fluffy was a true innocent and his 10 minutes of suffering at the hands of now-remorseful teenagers deserves a stiff, harsh penalty."

come on people, animals are a lot of things but you cant say theyre "innocent".

The point is that they put an animal which can't fight back because it's such a small creature, in such a horrible position and then they watched how it suffered much pain for a long time, until it finally died in agony. No animal deserves such faith, this is why they are called innocent when they die such a horrible death. I would've called you something that starts with "smart" and ends with "your bottom" but apparently it's considered swearing on this forum, even if the person, like you, is really acting as such. Please stop acting as such.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Are you seriously defending those kids? This kind of behaviour is usually a sign of things to come. Who knows what these kids will do in the future?

no, not 100% serious.

Allow me to introduct myself, my name is Bojangles. I usually take the stance of Devil's Advocate and sarcasm.

In short, I am not defending the kids but five years is a bit steep tbh.

Protein supplements?swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Protein supplements?foxhound_fox

amen to that.

and I think its more than coincendence that meat tastes deliscious...I think thats how nature evolved, so humans would enjoy the taste of meat.

Mmmmm beef stew with tender pieces of beef and pearl onions, carrots, and potato

Foie gras (force-fed goose liver) seared then placed on top of brioche with an apple compote

chicken parmasean , mmmmmmmm

ciopino with mussels, clams, crab, and fish.

MEAT IS SO DAMN TASTY, how could anyone not want to eat it!?!?

but I digress...yes, its a tragedy....no, the kids dont deserve more than 1 year in jail.

Please people stop assuming that just because these obviously badly parented kids did this to a cat that this will lead them to becoming serial killers. As many have stated earlier, millions of chickens, etc are brutally massacred but when a cat is killed, it becomes a huge issue. Is it just based on cuteness? These kids need help not 5 years in prison. And I don't believe in the argument that people who don't appreciate life deserve to live. They may not have ever had the chance to appreciate life, and they could learn to appreciate it if they get some guidance for a change. Solid_Snake325

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Protein supplements?foxhound_fox

how do you explain all the people that have lived as vegetarians all their lives, humans dont need both types of protein, they just need the essential amino acids which can be found in non-animal protein, there is nothing else only in animal protein that we need

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Sorreltail"]

And do they deserve respect after killing an innocent animal?mrbojangles25

I love how people think of animals as "innocent". Its like youre saying they lived a good life free of sins and were stand up citizans in the cat community

"Ah yes, I remember Fluffy the cat. He was a great cat, and did not deserve the fate of the microwave. Never did he scratcheth the furniture or eateth the gopher and leave a severed gopher head at thy door...indeed, Fluffy was a true innocent and his 10 minutes of suffering at the hands of now-remorseful teenagers deserves a stiff, harsh penalty."

come on people, animals are a lot of things but you cant say theyre "innocent".

The point is that they put an animal which can't fight back because it's such a small creature, in such a horrible position and then they watched how it suffered much pain for a long time, until it finally died in agony. No animal deserves such faith, this is why they are called innocent when they die such a horrible death. I would've called you something that starts with "smart" and ends with "your bottom" but apparently it's considered swearing on this forum, even if the person, like you, is really acting as such. Please stop acting as such.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Are you seriously defending those kids? This kind of behaviour is usually a sign of things to come. Who knows what these kids will do in the future?

no, not 100% serious.

Allow me to introduct myself, my name is Bojangles. I usually take the stance of Devil's Advocate and sarcasm.

In short, I am not defending the kids but five years is a bit steep tbh.

It's not steep if they receive psychological help during those 5 years and are only released when the experts think it's safe to release them into society. If they don't get any help, then they should stay in prison for the rest of their lives.

If you use sarcasm, use sarcasm quotes or something. Sarcasm doesn't work in text form when you don't tell the reader that it's sarcasm.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Protein supplements?mrbojangles25

amen to that.

and I think its more than coincendence that meat tastes deliscious...I think thats how nature evolved, so humans would enjoy the taste of meat.

Mmmmm beef stew with tender pieces of beef and pearl onions, carrots, and potato

Foie gras (force-fed goose liver) seared then placed on top of brioche with an apple compote

chicken parmasean , mmmmmmmm

ciopino with mussels, clams, crab, and fish.

MEAT IS SO DAMN TASTY, how could anyone not want to eat it!?!?

but I digress...yes, its a tragedy....no, the kids dont deserve more than 1 year in jail.

meat is only tasty when you cook it and season it to make it tasty, its not so tasty raw

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And do they deserve respect after killing an innocent animal?xscrapzx

I love how people think of animals as "innocent". Its like youre saying they lived a good life free of sins and were stand up citizans in the cat community

"Ah yes, I remember Fluffy the cat. He was a great cat, and did not deserve the fate of the microwave. Never did he scratcheth the furniture or eateth the gopher and leave a severed gopher head at thy door...indeed, Fluffy was a true innocent and his 10 minutes of suffering at the hands of now-remorseful teenagers deserves a stiff, harsh penalty."

come on people, animals are a lot of things but you cant say theyre "innocent".

What they mean by innocent is they aren't do anything wrong do deserve being tortured and killed, they don't know what is evil or what is good. They can't comprehend what is going around them like Humans do. Thats what innocent means, do you think a cat knocks over a cup of water, do you really think he sits there and says "hahaha that was so funny i knocked over water!" Are you serious right now? You really are looking at the definition in such a wrong way.

But going by your logics, you could argue that these kids suffer from mental disorders and they don't comprehend what's evil and what's not, so they are just as innocent.

Look I'm sorry but if they were that bad, then that means they are no fit for society, meaning they would of already been in a physco ward. Sense I don't know much about these kids other than the story they were probably just trouble makers and went real extreme this time around.

I agree with you, and i think they should be punished for that horrible thing they did. But what bother me is people saying they deserve death penalty (Yes i know you didn't say that) As i see it these people are not much better than these kids. People wanting to kill kids because they killed an animal have serious issues too, no matter how horrible what they did is.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Protein supplements?mrbojangles25

amen to that.

and I think its more than coincendence that meat tastes deliscious...I think thats how nature evolved, so humans would enjoy the taste of meat.

Mmmmm beef stew with tender pieces of beef and pearl onions, carrots, and potato

Foie gras (force-fed goose liver) seared then placed on top of brioche with an apple compote

chicken parmasean , mmmmmmmm

ciopino with mussels, clams, crab, and fish.

MEAT IS SO DAMN TASTY, how could anyone not want to eat it!?!?

but I digress...yes, its a tragedy....no, the kids dont deserve more than 1 year in jail.

Anything that is good for our body tastes good. It's just that humans started to create their own "fake" delicious food that isn't really good for us. But of course don't forget that you can have too much of the good thing, this even counts for natural things.

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And do they deserve respect after killing an innocent animal?BlackAlpha666

I love how people think of animals as "innocent". Its like youre saying they lived a good life free of sins and were stand up citizans in the cat community

"Ah yes, I remember Fluffy the cat. He was a great cat, and did not deserve the fate of the microwave. Never did he scratcheth the furniture or eateth the gopher and leave a severed gopher head at thy door...indeed, Fluffy was a true innocent and his 10 minutes of suffering at the hands of now-remorseful teenagers deserves a stiff, harsh penalty."

come on people, animals are a lot of things but you cant say theyre "innocent".

The point is that they put an animal which can't fight back because it's such a small creature, in such a horrible position and then they watched how it suffered much pain for a long time, until it finally died in agony. No animal deserves such faith, this is why they are called innocent when they die such a horrible death. I would've called you something that starts with "smart" and ends with "your bottom" but apparently it's considered swearing on this forum, even if the person, like you, is really acting as such. Please stop acting as such.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Are you seriously defending those kids? This kind of behaviour is usually a sign of things to come. Who knows what these kids will do in the future?

no, not 100% serious.

Allow me to introduct myself, my name is Bojangles. I usually take the stance of Devil's Advocate and sarcasm.

In short, I am not defending the kids but five years is a bit steep tbh.

It's not steep if they receive psychological help during those 5 years and are only released when the experts think it's safe to release them into society. If they don't get any help, then they should stay in prison for the rest of their lives.

If you use sarcasm, use sarcasm quotes or something. Sarcasm doesn't work in text form when you don't tell the reader that it's sarcasm.

i would but thats no fun, i like being misinterpreted...its like roleplaying as an a-hole and debating wrapped up in one.

Please people stop assuming that just because these obviously badly parented kids did this to a cat that this will lead them to becoming serial killers. As many have stated earlier, millions of chickens, etc are brutally massacred but when a cat is killed, it becomes a huge issue. Is it just based on cuteness? These kids need help not 5 years in prison. And I don't believe in the argument that people who don't appreciate life deserve to live. They may not have ever had the chance to appreciate life, and they could learn to appreciate it if they get some guidance for a change. Solid_Snake325

How can you care for heartless murderers. The chickens get massacred because they have to. People don't don't pay tickets to watch a live show of chicken beheadings now do they? You either appreciate life or you don't. You shouldn't have to teach a sadistic murderer how to appreciate life. You should lock them up or end there meaningless existence

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"]Please people stop assuming that just because these obviously badly parented kids did this to a cat that this will lead them to becoming serial killers. As many have stated earlier, millions of chickens, etc are brutally massacred but when a cat is killed, it becomes a huge issue. Is it just based on cuteness? These kids need help not 5 years in prison. And I don't believe in the argument that people who don't appreciate life deserve to live. They may not have ever had the chance to appreciate life, and they could learn to appreciate it if they get some guidance for a change. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"]Please people stop assuming that just because these obviously badly parented kids did this to a cat that this will lead them to becoming serial killers. As many have stated earlier, millions of chickens, etc are brutally massacred but when a cat is killed, it becomes a huge issue. Is it just based on cuteness? These kids need help not 5 years in prison. And I don't believe in the argument that people who don't appreciate life deserve to live. They may not have ever had the chance to appreciate life, and they could learn to appreciate it if they get some guidance for a change. Coffee_Blade

How can you care for heartless murderers. The chickens get massacred because they have to. People don't don't pay tickets to watch a live show of chicken beheadings now do they? You either appreciate life or you don't. You shouldn't have to teach a sadistic murderer how to appreciate life. You should lock them up or end there meaningless existence

black or white thinking FTL

and they are not so heartless, i remember the article mentioning "remorse"