Since there is no god....

[QUOTE="xaos"]Let me put this another way; what is it that makes a Christian (one who actually lives up to the teachings of Christ) behave in a compassionate way? Fear of punishment/hope of reward, or a fundamental change in their hearts that makes them feel compassion for others and desire to help and support them.Hewkii

 Quite actually, you've stated all three valid reasons Hewkii, not wanting to get punished because that would mean you have done

something that would make you get punished in the first place (sin), hope for a reward in heaven that is said in the Bible, and

a fundamental change in other peoples' hearts.

All valid reasons, 

Soo, what?

Christianity teaches people to be good for all the wrong reasons... 

The reason pack animals don't go murdering each other is that a weak pack results in poor chances for the single pack-member's survival. Since humans lived in packs, they had the same instincts for the pack's survival, since their lives depended on the well-being of the pack.Zagrius

Exactly.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"] Well, there are obviously laws.... When you take away religion, and you take human psychology and the variety of people in to account and you follow the laws (bar the ban on homosexuality and lolicon) , it is not that hard to be good.Loonie

 See, when you give an example such as a rape, you need to ensure that the example is solid and can be true in all aspects that

it is used in. For example, when armies the size of 500 000 thousand Turks invaded my country with an army of 100 000 and we beat them in the mountains

and then they later came with an army of 1 000 000 Turks under Mohammed their leader, pillaged our country, and raped our women,

your going to tell me that the soldiers amongst them selves also felt angry towards the perpetrator... I think not.

Soo, what?

Christianity teaches people to be good for all the wrong reasons... 

Def_Jef88

Since I bet you cannot think of more than two good reasons, I'll ask you to say just once since you used reason with a plural "s". 

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]

Soo, what?

Christianity teaches people to be good for all the wrong reasons...

Puiumami

Since I bet you cannot think of more than two good reasons, I'll ask you to say just once since you used reason with a plural "s".

2. It also promises good thing for those who do good. Well, if youre really doing it for a reward and not because you want to, then you arent that good of a person... 

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="xaos"]Let me put this another way; what is it that makes a Christian (one who actually lives up to the teachings of Christ) behave in a compassionate way? Fear of punishment/hope of reward, or a fundamental change in their hearts that makes them feel compassion for others and desire to help and support them.Puiumami

Quite actually, you've stated all three valid reasons Hewkii, not wanting to get punished because that would mean you have done

something that would make you get punished in the first place (sin), hope for a reward in heaven that is said in the Bible, and

a fundamental change in other peoples' hearts.

All valid reasons,

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]

Soo, what?

Christianity teaches people to be good for all the wrong reasons...

Puiumami

Since I bet you cannot think of more than two good reasons, I'll ask you to say just once since you used reason with a plural "s".

It is foolish for one to be ethical only because of fear of the afterlife.

God exists end of story. Yay i win :DMichaeltheCM

God exists end of story.MichaeltheCM

Ah, er - sun worshipper
No Sun = No GOD

I read this really freaky article the other day. it said how some day we might all reach the same level of consciousness called a singularity, and to make a long story short we eventually lose our physical forms. After about a millisecond that we have archived this oneness, we will collectively realize that we have no reason to exist. So we will remove ourselves from this universe. In effect will will all kill ourselves. But we won't just do it with a rope, we will actually do something that is really outrageous. We will become gods of our own universes.

 We will create our own universes, to distract ourselves from existing, (kind of like watching tv, playing a video game, any kind of hobby but to the billionth power) in effect we will eventually, one day become gods of our own unique universes. It is really mind blowing stuff. Reputed cosmologist Carl Sagan actually put his support behind this concept.