So what did Jesus' death REALLY mean?

All you have to do is repent for your sins and acknowledge Jesus as your lord and savior to get into heaven.

God isnt real. Heaven isnt real. Hell isnt real.

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500 more pages please.

sins are forgiven if you repent for them.

I dont come up with this logic.

sins are forgiven if you repent for them.

I dont come up with this logic.

Pikdum

What it means is pick your bros wisely.

It means forgiveness is being offered to you, you just have to accept it. Anyone who calls themselves a christian and says otherwise is a heretic.

It means forgiveness is being offered to you, you just have to accept it. Anyone who calls themselves a christian and says otherwise is a heretic.

TwighlightBlade

[QUOTE="Pikdum"]

sins are forgiven if you repent for them.

I dont come up with this logic.

ZumaJones07

To be forgiven of your sins you have to first acknowledge you sins. I guess you could say he gave us the option.

Thats what I was taught in bible school anyways. I'm not religious anymore.

It means someone who purposely decided to break the law as an act of civil disobedience for what he believed it.

It means nothing more than that.

It means forgiveness is being offered to you, you just have to accept it. Anyone who calls themselves a christian and says otherwise is a heretic.

TwighlightBlade

Why can't you forgive them for being heretics? "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged."

No Christian believes one can continue to sin after being converted/baptised that is simply not what the new testament or tradition teach us. I think the 1st Epistle of Saint John makes this plainly clear as do the words of Paul, we must be pure we must be icons to the world we must show the spirit of God therein. We cannot serve Christ and Satan, but we see a paradox, Christians still sin and this is where repentance comes in, that we must repent before all things till we draw our last breath before the final final judgement. Now when it comes to hell I can't speak for every Christian but when I read the gospels I do not see hell as being some place other than where we will all be during the ressurection, that is Daniel 12 clearly speaks of the ressurected dead, every one will be raised, the righteous and the unrighteous, some to everlasting life and some unto damnation. This is the Hell or gehenna we see, I do not think it will be physical torture some thing much more deep. On a fundamental level there will be intense suffering for those who have rejected God and he will cast them away from him. This is hell, at least from what I understand as the Orthodox conception of Hell.

It means God screwed us into eternal servitude by killing his only son beause he "Loves" us.

No backsies.

[QUOTE="TwighlightBlade"]

It means forgiveness is being offered to you, you just have to accept it. Anyone who calls themselves a christian and says otherwise is a heretic.

Communist_Soul

Why can't you forgive them for being heretics? "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged."

i love jesuscheese_game619

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]i love jesusVictorious_Fize

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]i love jesusVictorious_Fize

Only if your a bad protestant.

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

[QUOTE="TwighlightBlade"]

It means forgiveness is being offered to you, you just have to accept it. Anyone who calls themselves a christian and says otherwise is a heretic.

TwighlightBlade

Why can't you forgive them for being heretics? "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged."

Still think there is a just a little (I mean a metric ton) more to it then just accepting forgiveness.

He killed his only son. We are all his children. We are all women.

Christianity everybody! Christianity...

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="cheese_game619"]i love jesuscheese_game619

His death means the Roman Empire was pissed at his cult of 12 shroom eating hippies and a prostitute

His death means the Roman Empire was pissed at his cult of 12 shroom eating hippies and a prostitute

wis3boi

12? Aren't we forgetting the women desciples of Jesus, the seventy and the 500?

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="cheese_game619"]i love jesusPhilokalia

Only if your a bad protestant.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] But you hate religion?Victorious_Fize

Only if your a bad protestant.

Eye no.

In a VERY condensed nustshell, it means that all Gentiles have the opportunity to join in the same convenant that God began with the Jews. It means that being baptized and believing in the power of the blood of Jesus Christ will MAKE YOU A NEW CREATURE. This means you just don't go around sinning willy nilly without repercussions.

God does punish sin, even though he forgives them. Also, once someone does accept Christ as Lord, they are representatives of the true and living God(the salt of the earth) and must behave as such. Additionally, it means you get to live forever in heaven after death.

Again, VERY condensed.

[QUOTE="JustBeYourself"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] is hell even real to begin with? there doesn't seem to be a point to it because god forgave everybody through the holy ghost through jesus. like the ten commandments, those things on there tell you want you should not do, but if sins are forgiven, then it shouldn't matter..ZumaJones07

I dont think the bible ever exactly says you go to heaven if you have never heard of Jesus. But I remember a verse that says: "It is better to not have known the word of god than to HAVE known the word of god and deny it." or something close to that.

His death means the Roman Empire was pissed at his cult of 12 shroom eating hippies and a prostitute

wis3boi

:lol:

Best description I ever heard about the subject.

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="JustBeYourself"] Christians can ask for forgiveness and be forgiven because Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross.Pikdum

I dont think the bible ever exactly says you go to heaven if you have never heard of Jesus. But I remember a verse that says: "It is better to not have known the word of god than to HAVE known the word of god and deny it." or something close to that.

Actually yes it does...two thing. About never hearing of God the homie paul says

Romans 1:18-23

18But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.[i]19They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.20For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities?his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

21Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn?t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.22Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.23And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

And jesus says the ONLY way to heaven is through knowing Christ:

John 14:6

6Jesus told him, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

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So what the bible does say is that you only get to heaven through Christ, and there is no reason for never hearing of God.

[QUOTE="Pikdum"]

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] so then god knowingly made a world that would turn into a world where his creations would not know of his warning? that's odd. god had to know that people born in other countries might not get the chance to hear of jesus. that's why the all sins are forgiven is a good trump card.

sayyy-gaa

I dont think the bible ever exactly says you go to heaven if you have never heard of Jesus. But I remember a verse that says: "It is better to not have known the word of god than to HAVE known the word of god and deny it." or something close to that.

Actually yes it does...two thing. About never hearing of God the homie paul says

Romans 1:18-23

18But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.[i]19They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.20For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities?his eternal power and divine nature. SO THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR NOT KNOWING GOD.

21Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn?t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.22Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.23And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

And jesus says the ONLY way to heaven is through knowing Christ:

John 14:6

6Jesus told him, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

No offence, but the Bold sentence sounds like complete bull$hit.

His death means the Roman Empire was pissed at his cult of 12 shroom eating hippies and a prostitute

wis3boi

[QUOTE="sayyy-gaa"]

[QUOTE="Pikdum"]

I dont think the bible ever exactly says you go to heaven if you have never heard of Jesus. But I remember a verse that says: "It is better to not have known the word of god than to HAVE known the word of god and deny it." or something close to that.

jerk-o-tron2000

Actually yes it does...two thing. About never hearing of God the homie paul says

Romans 1:18-23

18But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.[i]19They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.20For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities?his eternal power and divine nature. SO THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR NOT KNOWING GOD.

21Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn?t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.22Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.23And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

And jesus says the ONLY way to heaven is through knowing Christ:

John 14:6

6Jesus told him, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

No offence, but the Bold sentence sounds like complete bull$hit.

He died to keep you from making so many damn topics

He died to keep you from making so many damn topics

konvikt_17

He died to keep you from making so many damn topics

konvikt_17

i think i am confused. i thought since jesus died, that humans were forgiven for ALL their sins no matter what? it seems like all you have to do is get baptized, eat jesus bread and drink jesus blood and all is good? is hell even real to begin with? there doesn't seem to be a point to it because god forgave everybody through the holy ghost through jesus. like the ten commandments, those things on there tell you want you should not do, but if sins are forgiven, then it shouldn't matter. maybe god just wanted everyone to live their lives as humans so they don't have to worry about the mistake of sin that god put into the world to begin with. tl:dr should christians really have to do anything to get into heaven? it seems like the ticket is guaranteed.ZumaJones07

No, because it's all a LIE! When will people wake up, there are so many contradictions and inaccuracies in these bible stories.

[QUOTE="sayyy-gaa"]

[QUOTE="Pikdum"]

I dont think the bible ever exactly says you go to heaven if you have never heard of Jesus. But I remember a verse that says: "It is better to not have known the word of god than to HAVE known the word of god and deny it." or something close to that.

jerk-o-tron2000

Actually yes it does...two thing. About never hearing of God the homie paul says

Romans 1:18-23

18But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.[i]19They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.20For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities?his eternal power and divine nature. SO THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR NOT KNOWING GOD.

21Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn?t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.22Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.23And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

And jesus says the ONLY way to heaven is through knowing Christ:

John 14:6

6Jesus told him, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

No offence, but the Bold sentence sounds like complete bull$hit.

No offense? Really? I didn't say it was true for everyone or that you had to believe what the Holy Bible says. All I did was clarify a point someone else made. And my point is 100% correct.

[QUOTE="jerk-o-tron2000"]

[QUOTE="sayyy-gaa"]

Actually yes it does...two thing. About never hearing of God the homie paul says

Romans 1:18-23

18But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.[i]19They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.20For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities?his eternal power and divine nature. SO THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR NOT KNOWING GOD.

21Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn?t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.22Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.23And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

And jesus says the ONLY way to heaven is through knowing Christ:

John 14:6

6Jesus told him, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

Nibroc420

No offence, but the Bold sentence sounds like complete bull$hit.

You aren't the first or last to argue with the word of God and that's fine. That's your right. That said, all I did was clarify a point that a poster made that he was unsure about.

It's no big secret that you can't consistently use human logic to explain the divine.