So what did Jesus' death REALLY mean?

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] oh oh and dont forget wife beating!:o

GrayF0X786

Are you mentally challenged? I don't give a flying fck about what Americans think of you because you both are equally stupid with your mutual hell-threatening and religion-bashing. So where the fck did you get that from? I was talking about Medieval holy wars, so it's definitely not from me; maybe your anus?

I don't know; my high school teacher (no, he's not an American, nor does he live in the US)? Wikipedia? What do you call them then? You weren't happy with "Crusade", so I tried another word, but I guess I shouldn't have bothered because you'll go full victim mode in either case.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

The scientific method is not a universal principle of enquiry.

themajormayor

It's the best one we've found yet; we'd still be living in caves if it weren't for the scientific method. You're free to come up with something that's better and that has proven results.

I know, Aristotle. It was a slight exaggeration.

basically it means we are all f***ed.

here i am sitting between two different massive groups of idiots that both have a holy book saying there is going to be an all out final apocalyptic war with unbelievers.

how do you dopes think that is going to turn out?

how else can it possibly turn out?

yeah, i see the two of you eye f***ing each other every chance you get, thumping on some text written by some primitive goat humper and edited infinity times over the centuries proclaiming it as the word of god and in a constant contest of who can be more f***ing backwards.

you will be the end of us all and there is not a damn thing that can be done about it.

Riverwolf007

I'm not eye fukkking anyone. I was answering questions. Pay attention before insulting someone. Or shut up. As to how I think it's going to turn out? I would tell you but you don't value the opinion of us "idiots" who don't know how to think so what's the point? As for being the end of everything, you got me there.

I mean America was pretty much founded by people who came here to worship as they chose. But hey, ,doing stuff like starting a republic will be the end of us all right? Religion has been around for at LEAST 5000 years and we are still here. Amazing, right?

what's funny to me is how god is some pissy little crybaby about followers.

whaa :cry: don't follow other gods whaaa :cry: i'm gonna get you whaaa!

how can anyone possibly have any respect for anyone that acts like that?

what's funny to me is how god is some pissy little crybaby about followers.

whaa :cry: don't follow other gods whaaa :cry: i'm gonna get you whaaa!

how can anyone possibly have any respect for anyone that acts like that?

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

Are you mentally challenged? I don't give a flying fck about what Americans think of you because you both are equally stupid with your mutual hell-threatening and religion-bashing. So where the fck did you get that from? I was talking about Medieval holy wars, so it's definitely not from me; maybe your anus?

Heisenderp

You weren't happy with "Crusade", so I tried another word.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

basically it means we are all f***ed.

here i am sitting between two different massive groups of idiots that both have a holy book saying there is going to be an all out final apocalyptic war with unbelievers.

how do you dopes think that is going to turn out?

how else can it possibly turn out?

yeah, i see the two of you eye f***ing each other every chance you get, thumping on some text written by some primitive goat humper and edited infinity times over the centuries proclaiming it as the word of god and in a constant contest of who can be more f***ing backwards.

you will be the end of us all and there is not a damn thing that can be done about it.

sayyy-gaa

I'm not eye fukkking anyone. I was answering questions. Pay attention before insulting someone. Or shut up. As to how I think it's going to turn out? I would tell you but you don't value the opinion of us "idiots" who don't know how to think so what's the point? As for being the end of everything, you got me there.

I mean America was pretty much founded by people who came here to worship as they chose. But hey, ,doing stuff like starting a republic will be the end of us all right? Religion has been around for at LEAST 5000 years and we are still here. Amazing, right?

what's funny to me is how god is some pissy little crybaby about followers.

whaa :cry: don't follow other gods whaaa :cry: i'm gonna get you whaaa!

how can anyone possibly have any respect for anyone that acts like that?

Riverwolf007

What's funny to me is someone who doesn't know the first thing about God come up with a hair brained assertion about God. Weaksauce man.

what's funny to me is how god is some pissy little crybaby about followers.

whaa :cry: don't follow other gods whaaa :cry: i'm gonna get you whaaa!

how can anyone possibly have any respect for anyone that acts like that?

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="sayyy-gaa"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

basically it means we are all f***ed.

here i am sitting between two different massive groups of idiots that both have a holy book saying there is going to be an all out final apocalyptic war with unbelievers.

how do you dopes think that is going to turn out?

how else can it possibly turn out?

yeah, i see the two of you eye f***ing each other every chance you get, thumping on some text written by some primitive goat humper and edited infinity times over the centuries proclaiming it as the word of god and in a constant contest of who can be more f***ing backwards.

you will be the end of us all and there is not a damn thing that can be done about it.

GrayF0X786

I'm not eye fukkking anyone. I was answering questions. Pay attention before insulting someone. Or shut up. As to how I think it's going to turn out? I would tell you but you don't value the opinion of us "idiots" who don't know how to think so what's the point? As for being the end of everything, you got me there.

I mean America was pretty much founded by people who came here to worship as they chose. But hey, ,doing stuff like starting a republic will be the end of us all right? Religion has been around for at LEAST 5000 years and we are still here. Amazing, right?

Wrong again. Man is far from the first species to practice religion. Homo erectus was known to have religious rites.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="sayyy-gaa"]

I'm not eye fukkking anyone. I was answering questions. Pay attention before insulting someone. Or shut up. As to how I think it's going to turn out? I would tell you but you don't value the opinion of us "idiots" who don't know how to think so what's the point? As for being the end of everything, you got me there.

I mean America was pretty much founded by people who came here to worship as they chose. But hey, ,doing stuff like starting a republic will be the end of us all right? Religion has been around for at LEAST 5000 years and we are still here. Amazing, right?

Heisenderp

Wrong again. Man is far from the first species to practice religion. Homo erectus was known to have religious rites.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="sayyy-gaa"]

I'm not eye fukkking anyone. I was answering questions. Pay attention before insulting someone. Or shut up. As to how I think it's going to turn out? I would tell you but you don't value the opinion of us "idiots" who don't know how to think so what's the point? As for being the end of everything, you got me there.

I mean America was pretty much founded by people who came here to worship as they chose. But hey, ,doing stuff like starting a republic will be the end of us all right? Religion has been around for at LEAST 5000 years and we are still here. Amazing, right?

Heisenderp

Wrong again. Man is far from the first species to practice religion. Homo erectus was known to have religious rites.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] religion or "relationship with the creator" has been here since the first man on Earth, Adam, i think we can both agree on that.

themajormayor

Wrong again. Man is far from the first species to practice religion. Homo erectus was known to have religious rites.

He said "Adam".

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

Wrong again. Man is far from the first species to practice religion. Homo erectus was known to have religious rites.

Heisenderp

He said "Adam".

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] religion or "relationship with the creator" has been here since the first man on Earth, Adam, i think we can both agree on that.

GrayF0X786

Wrong again. Man is far from the first species to practice religion. Homo erectus was known to have religious rites.

I know that religious fundamentalism usually makes you look like a 4-year-old mongoloid when you talk, but you're taking this a tad too far. Just admit that you know fck all about just about anything and learn to suck it up when you're caught saying something stupid.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Well Homo=man so maybe he's right anyway.themajormayor

He said "Adam".

Usually "man" means humans.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

Wrong again. Man is far from the first species to practice religion. Homo erectus was known to have religious rites.

Heisenderp

I know that religious fundamentalism usually makes you look like a 4-year-old mongoloid when you talk, but you're taking this a tad too far. Just admit that you know fck all about just about anything and learn to suck it up when you're caught saying something stupid.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] ok mate its bed time. just go.... :)

GrayF0X786

I know that religious fundamentalism usually makes you look like a 4-year-old mongoloid when you talk, but you're taking this a tad too far. Just admit that you know fck all about just about anything and learn to suck it up when you're caught saying something stupid.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] ok mate its bed time. just go.... :)

GrayF0X786

I know that religious fundamentalism usually makes you look like a 4-year-old mongoloid when you talk, but you're taking this a tad too far. Just admit that you know fck all about just about anything and learn to suck it up when you're caught saying something stupid.

Well, you know fck all about anthropology, fck all about logic and rationality, fck all about history, fck all about the difference between "your" and "you're", fck all the difference between sarcasm and insult, fck all about capitalization, so I'm pretty sure I'm a far superior human being than you'll ever be.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

I know that religious fundamentalism usually makes you look like a 4-year-old mongoloid when you talk, but you're taking this a tad too far. Just admit that you know fck all about just about anything and learn to suck it up when you're caught saying something stupid.

kingkong0124

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] wait...your saying this to me?:lol:

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

I know that religious fundamentalism usually makes you look like a 4-year-old mongoloid when you talk, but you're taking this a tad too far. Just admit that you know fck all about just about anything and learn to suck it up when you're caught saying something stupid.

Heisenderp

know fck all about anthropology, fck all about logic and rationality, fck all about history, fck all about the difference between "your" and "you're", fck all the difference between sarcasm and insult, fck all about capitalization, so I'm pretty sure I'm a far superior human being than you'll ever be.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] I honestly hope you're trolling. You're making a lot of American Muslims look bad. kingkong0124

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] im from England mate.....

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] im from England mate.....

GrayF0X786

Good. You're a f*cking wacko.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] No wonder. The British Muslims are the worst kind. kingkong0124

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] im not gona start....

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] No wonder. The British Muslims are the worst kind. Optical_Order

Good. You're a f*cking wacko.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] You know it's true. I didn't know simply different drinking water could affect the behavioral habits that much! kingkong0124

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] im not gona start....

GrayF0X786

Good. You're a f*cking wacko.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] im not gona start....

GrayF0X786

Good. You're a f*cking wacko.

Not really. it's just amazing to read your posts.

Someone really did a number on you.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] :lol:yes im seriously gona stop now goodnight all

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Sweet dreams kingkong0124

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] im not gona start....

GrayF0X786

Good. You're a f*cking wacko.

Why would people be "butthurt" at your Down syndrome? At worst, they can feel pity, and at best, they can laugh at your mongoid ass. Most people are in between though, like me (mix of facepalming and diminishing faith in humanity).

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] you too ;) dont worry your house wont explode in the morning. and probably not the next morning after that, but im not sure about the 3rd day.....

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Contacting the FBI at this moment. Good luck in Guantanamo. kingkong0124

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] you f-ng terrorist.

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] >threatens to blow up my house >calls me terrorist >thinks he is "logical" >LOLkingkong0124

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] i was joking mate :|

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] yeah, blowing people up is very funny. kingkong0124

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] firstly i never said ill blow you up lol look back, and secondly i dont like it myself, but consantly seeing my brothers and sisters in the middle east being blown up by your "peacekeepers" doesnt make me feel nice. sometimes gota smile and keep on living no matter what **** goes around you. thats its from me im out GOODNIGHT!

GrayF0X786

Tenaka you really have no clue do you? To this very day in countries like Greece, italy, spain and in the middle east. These Christians there do not call it Easter, it is universally Pascha. I have on my shelf the Holy week Easter service as it is translated into English and in the greek plain as day for anyone to see is the word Pascha that is "(Gamespot apparently doesn't allow for Greek)". I did not rename and to accuse me of such a thing shows you really do not know what you are talking about. I am telling you plain and clear the term Easter was not used until the English language developed it and only then was it used within the English church and that before then the term was not known anywhere within Christendom. Now if you say it was called Easter by the earliest Christians the burden is on you to provide the source. I garuntee you won?t be able to. So at best the English term Easter in no way affects what is known as Easter or most everywhere else in the world Pascha. Its simply a non starter in this discussion and I can grant (though I am not convinced) that Easter is derived from a pagan term, but it won?t prove anything as to whether Easter in of itself is Pagan.

So to those who say the origins of Easter are clearly pagan I have to suggest they don't know what they are talking about and can't offer anything of substance beyond "Oh the english Easter is derived from a pagan Goddess."

Philokalia

Why the personal insults? I provided lots of proof and lots of sources, thats why you didnt quote me.

Easter is an ancient pagan event, the christians adopted it later on in attempts to get followers, even the resurrection isn't original.

Your religion is derived from many many sources, there is little original about it.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter.htm

Modern-day Easter is derived from two ancient traditions: one Judeo-Christian and the other Pagan. Both Christians and Pagans have celebrated death and resurrection themes following the Spring Equinox for millennia. Most religious historians believe that many elements of the Christian observance of Easter were derived from earlier Pagan celebrations.

The equinox occurs each year on March 20, 21 or 22. BothNeopagansandChristianscontinue to celebrate religious rituals linked to the equinox.Wiccansand otherNeopagansusually hold their celebrations on the day or eve of the equinox. Western Christians celebrate Easter on the Sunday on or after the full moon that follows the nominal date of the Equinox -- MAR-21. The Eastern Orthodox churches follow a different calculation; their Easter celebration is often many weeks after the date selected by the Western churches.

It's very possible that alot of Christian traditions were adapted from pagan ones and repurposed.

That doesn't make them less valid.

If someone else worships a rock, and you take that rock and sculpt a cross, that doesn't mean you're worshipping Zeus.

As far as the original topic.

In times past, people would sacrifice sheep or something at a temple, kill it right there, and pass out the meat to the poor.

They did this as a form of pennance, either for something they did wrong, or to cleanse themselves of sin before wedding etc.

Jesus was a sacrifice for the world.

Just like a sheep got sacrificed for 1 person or family, Jesus got sacrificed for everybody who ever lived, to clean them of Adam and Eve's sins.

It does not mean you will remain sin-free, it just mean you are BORN sin-free.

After your birth what you do with your life is up to you.

It is generally believed that those who keep Jesus' sacrifice in their thoughts, and who pray for forgiveness are forgiven.

Tenaka repeating the same source will not help you you need primary sources in establishing the outlandish claims you are making. There was no insults only pointing out your ignorance on the subject. I've given you the things you need to do and when you just repeat the same claims again and again it doesn't help you. You completely ignore the fact that Easter was called Pascha from the earliest time in Christian history and have provided absolutely no primary reference for an early pagan feast called Easter which revolved and was directly tied to the jewish sabbath as Pascha is to this very day in our own modern calanders.

Tenaka repeating the same source will not help you you need primary sources in establishing the outlandish claims you are making. There was no insults only pointing out your ignorance on the subject. I've given you the things you need to do and when you just repeat the same claims again and again it doesn't help you. You completely ignore the fact that Easter was called Pascha from the earliest time in Christian history and have provided absolutely no primary reference for an early pagan feast called Easter which revolved and was directly tied to the jewish sabbath as Pascha is to this very day in our own modern calanders.

Philokalia

Stinks when someone tells you the true history about your faith, eh? :P

Stinks when someone tells you the true history about your faith, eh? :P

wis3boi

Fanfiction doesn't contain any hsitorical realiability. But if you want to break away from the pack of mindless internet drone atheists and rpove me wrong with primary sources that back up what Tenaka is saying feel free to.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Stinks when someone tells you the true history about your faith, eh? :P

Philokalia

Fanfiction doesn't contain any hsitorical realiability. But if you want to break away from the pack of mindless internet drone atheists and rpove me wrong with primary sources that back up what Tenaka is saying feel free to.

The Bible still sucks ass.

The Bible still sucks ass.

Heisenderp

But it doesn't have a mouth.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Stinks when someone tells you the true history about your faith, eh? :P

Heisenderp

Fanfiction doesn't contain any hsitorical realiability. But if you want to break away from the pack of mindless internet drone atheists and rpove me wrong with primary sources that back up what Tenaka is saying feel free to.

The Bible still sucks ass.