So why does the americans reject obama's health plan?

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You received only what the government was willing to give you.....Theokhoth

The for-profit insurance companies will give us soap to wash our hands with; the government will just gives us scented water.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] And so are you. I guess time will tell.Sajedene

Labelling one's self worthy if they are far from bad things in life in order to distance themselves from the counterpart which is the people who have faced the bad things in life more than them. In reality though they live in constant fear of failure and thats their defense mechanism.

So based off your passed comments, who do you think deserves healthcare in this country.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]You know that's really common.

Labelling one's self worthy if they are far from bad things in life in order to distance themselves from the counterpart which is the people who have faced the bad things in life more than them. In reality though they live in constant fear of failure and thats their defense mechanism.

gatorteen

So based off your passed comments, who do you think deserves healthcare in this country.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]You know that's really common.

Labelling one's self worthy if they are far from bad things in life in order to distance themselves from the counterpart which is the people who have faced the bad things in life more than them. In reality though they live in constant fear of failure and thats their defense mechanism.

Theokhoth

Uh-huh, until they need income for things like basic healthcare, and then if they don't have it it's because they didn't work hard enough, so they're not worthy. Because, as everyone knows, everybody who works hard will be rewarded.

Please.

Since when is life supposed to be fair?

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]You know that's really common.

Labelling one's self worthy if they are far from bad things in life in order to distance themselves from the counterpart which is the people who have faced the bad things in life more than them. In reality though they live in constant fear of failure and thats their defense mechanism.

gatorteen

So based off your passed comments, who do you think deserves healthcare in this country.

Now you'll have to ask her whois worthy and how she judges someone's worth and then ask if she has knowledge enough to even start judging.

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] I guess you know me so well... are you writing a book about my life? Since you know my psyche, know my history, know where I am from and where I will be.... I don't base people's worth on income. I base it on how hard they try to get what they want in life. Income has little to do with that.LJS9502_basic

So based off your passed comments, who do you think deserves healthcare in this country.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] I guess you know me so well... are you writing a book about my life? Since you know my psyche, know my history, know where I am from and where I will be.... I don't base people's worth on income. I base it on how hard they try to get what they want in life. Income has little to do with that.DucksBrains

Uh-huh, until they need income for things like basic healthcare, and then if they don't have it it's because they didn't work hard enough, so they're not worthy. Because, as everyone knows, everybody who works hard will be rewarded.

Please.

Since when is life supposed to be fair?

Since when are easily prevented problems ignored on the basis of life being unfair?

Why should we punish people who break the law? Life isn't fair. :roll:

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] I guess you know me so well... are you writing a book about my life? Since you know my psyche, know my history, know where I am from and where I will be.... I don't base people's worth on income. I base it on how hard they try to get what they want in life. Income has little to do with that.DucksBrains

Uh-huh, until they need income for things like basic healthcare, and then if they don't have it it's because they didn't work hard enough, so they're not worthy. Because, as everyone knows, everybody who works hard will be rewarded.

Please.

Since when is life supposed to be fair?

Do you concede to bad situations? No. You try to change them and make it better.

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] I guess you know me so well... are you writing a book about my life? Since you know my psyche, know my history, know where I am from and where I will be.... I don't base people's worth on income. I base it on how hard they try to get what they want in life. Income has little to do with that.LJS9502_basic

So based off your passed comments, who do you think deserves healthcare in this country.

Yes, it's just that many of them also get put into life-ruining debt once they do.

I go back to my cow **** analogy. Everyone in this country can eat; there's plenty of cow **** to go around. So we should stop handing out food stamps.

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] I guess you know me so well... are you writing a book about my life? Since you know my psyche, know my history, know where I am from and where I will be.... I don't base people's worth on income. I base it on how hard they try to get what they want in life. Income has little to do with that.Teenaged

So based off your passed comments, who do you think deserves healthcare in this country.

Now you'll have to ask her whois worthy and how she judges someone's worth and then ask if she has knowledge enough to even start judging.

But by her definition the worthy is not based on income. Which means that lower income people that are considered worthy can't afford healthcare. Seems inconsistant to me.

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] I guess you know me so well... are you writing a book about my life? Since you know my psyche, know my history, know where I am from and where I will be.... I don't base people's worth on income. I base it on how hard they try to get what they want in life. Income has little to do with that.LJS9502_basic

So based off your passed comments, who do you think deserves healthcare in this country.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gatorteen"]

So based off your passed comments, who do you think deserves healthcare in this country.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

So based off your passed comments, who do you think deserves healthcare in this country.

gatorteen

Now you'll have to ask her whois worthy and how she judges someone's worth and then ask if she has knowledge enough to even start judging.

But by her definition the worthy is not based on income. Which means that lower income people that are considered worthy can't afford healthcare. Seems inconsistant to me.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] Oh yah... all the poor people are so helpless that they need the help of those who work. There are plenty of examples of people rising out of poverty - some make it some dont. That's reality for you - not some Charles Dickens fantasy you type up because you think I'm spoiled for seeing the world as what it really is.Sajedene

Except a huge amount of the people who don't "rise up" don't because they are simply unable because the system does everything it can to prevent such a thing from happening, even when it could be easily prevented in the first place. Your "rags to riches" crap is the fantasy.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Everyone in this country can get health care.LJS9502_basic

Yeah, because a non-governmental and non-public healthcare system is such a difficult notion that I have to live in a country that has it to know what it is.

Nice try.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gatorteen"]

So based off your passed comments, who do you think deserves healthcare in this country.

Sajedene

Yes, so the ones who genuinely can't afford it--the unworthy--should be punished for that, too.

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]She already said: the worthy.

Now you'll have to ask her whois worthy and how she judges someone's worth and then ask if she has knowledge enough to even start judging.

Teenaged

But by her definition the worthy is not based on income. Which means that lower income people that are considered worthy can't afford healthcare. Seems inconsistant to me.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] Only the worthy survive.Teenaged

Like... I cant blink right now.....

And the really sad thing is that you are serious....

I'll go Saje one better. You want a quote of the day on this subject

Poverty is a mental disease, not an economic condition. Or to put it in my dad's words "Poor people have poor ways"

The assumption that because someone, like me, is against the government taking money from one citizen to DIRECTLY benefit another citizen (not all citizens in general, like a road does) means we are unwilling to be charitible and contribute to those that need help is quite insulting.

Americans (the people of the U.S.A.) are the most charitible people on the earth.Americans give more per capita in private charity than any of the so called enlightened developed countries of the world.

I personally think that those of you who push so hard to have the government take care of basic needs are the real heartless ones. Its the easy way out. Its much more difficult to work hard, be successful and have excess income and resources that allow you to step in to your community and help those that need it and who do their part to make the most of the help they are being given.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

But by her definition the worthy is not based on income. Which means that lower income people that are considered worthy can't afford healthcare. Seems inconsistant to me.

Sajedene

0_o

Sajedene, these are different issues altogether. If you want start protesting about those.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Potentially........... and in theory.

Teenaged

Yeah, because a non-governmental and non-public healthcare system is such a difficult notion that I have to live in a country that has it to know what it is.

Nice try.

I personally think that those of you who push so hard to have the government take care of basic needs are the real heartless ones.

collegeboy64

Yeah, cuz, like, wanting people to live is like, so selfish, man.

By the way, the tax dollars do not go to directly beenfit another individual--they benfit everyone, because everyone would have healthcare. You know, like everyone has access to roads.

But hey, I'm mentally diseased. What do I know?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

But by her definition the worthy is not based on income. Which means that lower income people that are considered worthy can't afford healthcare. Seems inconsistant to me.

Sajedene

Um, illegal immigrants have an easy time finding jobs because people that hire them can circumvent the law and pay them less than minimum wage, making illegal immigrants the most "profitable" choice. Not that that's even relevant to this damn issue.

Sense much?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No in reality. With all due respect you don't live here so I'm not sure you have the right information of the situation.LJS9502_basic

Yeah, because a non-governmental and non-public healthcare system is such a difficult notion that I have to live in a country that has it to know what it is.

Nice try.

And if for instance you had the details wrong, you could as k me and I would be glad to give you my insight.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]:roll:

Yeah, because a non-governmental and non-public healthcare system is such a difficult notion that I have to live in a country that has it to know what it is.

Nice try.

Teenaged

And if for instance you had the details wrong, you could as k me and I would be glad to give you my insight.

Of course he knows what a public healthcare system is. He would never object to something without knowing exactly what it is.

[QUOTE="DucksBrains"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Since when is life supposed to be fair?

Theokhoth

Since when are easily prevented problems ignored on the basis of life being unfair?

Why should we punish people who break the law? Life isn't fair. :roll:

Since when is this an 'easily prevented' problem?

Yes why should we punish criminals, who needs order in a society anyway?

Since when are we supposed to perpetuate and prolong that "fact" (if it is a fact)?

Do you concede to bad situations? No. You try to change them and make it better.

Teenaged

There will always be haves and have nots. Boo hoo. Nature doesn't care, and it is human nature to be self serving.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]:roll:

Yeah, because a non-governmental and non-public healthcare system is such a difficult notion that I have to live in a country that has it to know what it is.

Nice try.

Teenaged

And if for instance you had the details wrong, you could as k me and I would be glad to give you my insight.

There will always be haves and have nots. Boo hoo. Nature doesn't care, and it is human nature to be self serving.

DucksBrains

And I am sorry but since when do humans follow they supposed nature? Should we let all humanitarian ideals collapse because you say so?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well now that would be me like telling you how the Greek system works when I've never experienced now wouldn't it.:roll:Theokhoth

And if for instance you had the details wrong, you could as k me and I would be glad to give you my insight.

Of course he knows what a public healthcare system is. He would never object to something without knowing exactly what it is.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] Only the worthy survive.collegeboy64

Like... I cant blink right now.....

And the really sad thing is that you are serious....

I'll go Saje one better. You want a quote of the day on this subject

Poverty is a mental disease, not an economic condition. Or to put it in my dad's words "Poor people have poor ways"

The assumption that because someone, like me, is against the government taking money from one citizen to DIRECTLY benefit another citizen (not all citizens in general, like a road does) means we are unwilling to be charitible and contribute to those that need help is quite insulting.

Americans (the people of the U.S.A.) are the most charitible people on the earth.Americans give more per capita in private charity than any of the so called enlightened developed countries of the world.

I personally think that those of you who push so hard to have the government take care of basic needs are the real heartless ones. Its the easy way out. Its much more difficult to work hard, be successful and have excess income and resources that allow you to step in to your community and help those that need it and who do their part to make the most of the help they are being given.

Since when is this an 'easily prevented' problem?

Yes why should we punish criminals, who needs order in a society anyway?

DucksBrains

Um, everyone can have healthcare? Versus some people can't have healthcare on the basis of their income or history? Seems pretty easily solved to me.

Life isn't fair. It's human nature to be wild and law-breaking. :roll:

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well now that would be me like telling you how the Greek system works when I've never experienced now wouldn't it.:roll:LJS9502_basic

And if for instance you had the details wrong, you could as k me and I would be glad to give you my insight.

And no one corrected me by giving me facts or whatever.

In fact, you tried to prove to me how a public health care system is bad and I responded, and yet you didnt later on.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]You could have an opinion on it because I suppose you do know what a public healthcare system is, dont you?

And if for instance you had the details wrong, you could as k me and I would be glad to give you my insight.

LJS9502_basic

Of course he knows what a public healthcare system is. He would never object to something without knowing exactly what it is.

Well, obviously you object to public healthcare, and obviously you would never, ever object to something without ever experiencing it, so two-and-two.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Its not inconsistent. Its convenient.

Theokhoth

Um, illegal immigrants have an easy time finding jobs because people that hire them can circumvent the law and pay them less than minimum wage, making illegal immigrants the most "profitable" choice. Not that that's even relevant to this damn issue.

Sense much?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] You guys say so yourself - whats just a few more dollars in your taxes right? So people make an income can afford basic health care. Oh yeah, and there are payment plans that can be arranged. If the U.S. is so poor and destitute that so many people cant find jobs... why are illegal immigrants able to find jobs and stay alive and healthy enough to be here and yet the poor citizens of the United States can't find jobs or afford to see a doctor. Sense much?Sajedene

Um, illegal immigrants have an easy time finding jobs because people that hire them can circumvent the law and pay them less than minimum wage, making illegal immigrants the most "profitable" choice. Not that that's even relevant to this damn issue.

Sense much?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Of course he knows what a public healthcare system is. He would never object to something without knowing exactly what it is.

Theokhoth

Well, obviously you object to public healthcare, and obviously you would never, ever object to something without ever experiencing it, so two-and-two.

So the law is the problem... the law run by the government. Another perfect example of a hurting system being run by the government. So I want to trust my health care and my family's health care to the government WHY again?Sajedene

Um, it's not the law that's the problem; it's the private business people breaking the law by going around it. Reading comprehension helps.

I'll copy/paste what I wrote in here earlier:

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by a municipal water utility.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC-regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

I watched this while eating my breakfast of U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time, as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank.

On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and Fire Marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

And then I log on to the internet -- which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration -- and post on Freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="reveiwer"]

the reasons americans put down free health care are stupid im sure.

gatorteen

Unless he strongly believes in the preservation of life for everyone.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ah ad hominems without actually addressing me.:|LJS9502_basic

Well, obviously you object to public healthcare, and obviously you would never, ever object to something without ever experiencing it, so two-and-two.

Care to respond?

[QUOTE="DucksBrains"]

Since when is this an 'easily prevented' problem?

Yes why should we punish criminals, who needs order in a society anyway?

Theokhoth

Um, everyone can have healthcare? Versus some people can't have healthcare on the basis of their income or history? Seems pretty easily solved to me.

Life isn't fair. It's human nature to be wild and law-breaking. :roll:

Oh if it's that easy then snap your fingers and make it so. Go on, do it now. It should be that simple right?

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Seems if you don't know what the reasons are you shouldn't judge them.......Unassigned

Unless he strongly believes in the preservation of life for everyone.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Um, illegal immigrants have an easy time finding jobs because people that hire them can circumvent the law and pay them less than minimum wage, making illegal immigrants the most "profitable" choice. Not that that's even relevant to this damn issue.

Sense much?

Teenaged

Because she uses them and enjoys them. It's only the ones that would benefit the unworthy people that are bad.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Um, illegal immigrants have an easy time finding jobs because people that hire them can circumvent the law and pay them less than minimum wage, making illegal immigrants the most "profitable" choice. Not that that's even relevant to this damn issue.

Sense much?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

I personally think that those of you who push so hard to have the government take care of basic needs are the real heartless ones.

Theokhoth

Yeah, cuz, like, wanting people to live is like, so selfish, man.

By the way, the tax dollars do not go to directly beenfit another individual--they benfit everyone, because everyone would have healthcare. You know, like everyone has access to roads.

But hey, I'm mentally diseased. What do I know?

Nice to pull only part of my quote. What about the second part.

I am a middle aged guy that worked hard, got educated and now have excess money and resources that I use to contribute back to my community. Local charity, freely given by people that care does far more good than some impersonal government hand out.

I want people to live too. I personally contribute to that effort. What do you do besides push for someone else to fulfill your obligation to help out your fellow man?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="DucksBrains"]

Since when is this an 'easily prevented' problem?

Yes why should we punish criminals, who needs order in a society anyway?

DucksBrains

Um, everyone can have healthcare? Versus some people can't have healthcare on the basis of their income or history? Seems pretty easily solved to me.

Life isn't fair. It's human nature to be wild and law-breaking. :roll:

Oh if it's that easy then snap your fingers and make it so. Go on, do it now. It should be that simple right?

No, the simple part comes from society and not a single person snapping his fingers. See, we have this thing, it's called a government, and the government has a process, you see.

Most poeple from the USA.. are selfish individuals who think everything they do is self earned. However, this is not true.. they fail to see the importance of the community and live depressing, and over dramatic lives, because everything they do is about themselves. Our moto is simple.. if we go to work 40 hours a week, we can do whatever we want with our money because we earned it. We don't have to help other people because they're lazy and don't produce anything for the community. We can smoke, drink lots of alchol, make bad deceisions, and it's all okay because we work 40 hours a week doing some pointless job so some guy can make billions of dollars. And the best part is.. we know we did it all for ourselves. IT wasn't connected to anything or anyone. Just everything we did on our own..

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] So the law is the problem... the law run by the government. Another perfect example of a hurting system being run by the government. So I want to trust my health care and my family's health care to the government WHY again?Theokhoth

Because she uses them and enjoys them. It's only the ones that would benefit the unworthy people that are bad.

And hey you finally have his point adressed to you.

Care to respond?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Omg, quote of the day. 0_o

Like... I cant blink right now.....

And the really sad thing is that you are serious....

Sajedene

I'll go Saje one better. You want a quote of the day on this subject

Poverty is a mental disease, not an economic condition. Or to put it in my dad's words "Poor people have poor ways"

The assumption that because someone, like me, is against the government taking money from one citizen to DIRECTLY benefit another citizen (not all citizens in general, like a road does) means we are unwilling to be charitible and contribute to those that need help is quite insulting.

Americans (the people of the U.S.A.) are the most charitible people on the earth.Americans give more per capita in private charity than any of the so called enlightened developed countries of the world.

I personally think that those of you who push so hard to have the government take care of basic needs are the real heartless ones. Its the easy way out. Its much more difficult to work hard, be successful and have excess income and resources that allow you to step in to your community and help those that need it and who do their part to make the most of the help they are being given.

Let me ask you a simple question. Lets say that the same person is born into a rich society and a poor society.30 years go by and that person is an adult in both societies. Are they the same person? Are they entitled to the same rights? Do they have the same work ethic? Do they make the same choices?The answers to these questions are the reason why the government is involved in social issues.

They just don't understand it because they've never had it before. It works for so many other countries, its just an insurance plan.

To Mr Debt above: if you stopped wasting billions overseas trying to "save" countries all in the name of Democracy you might be able afford it.

biggest_loser

That sounds about right.

The rest of the world has Universal Health Care. Even some third world countries do. And the Americans are still sticking to their roots.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] So the law is the problem... the law run by the government. Another perfect example of a hurting system being run by the government. So I want to trust my health care and my family's health care to the government WHY again?Sajedene