So...When did you stoped believe in God, in case you did?

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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]

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because someone does something good and they get thrown in hell just because they didnt believe in god

that hardly sounds fair and loving

What if God forces everyone to believe in him? People will still complain about God not giving them a choice. God allows free will, and he is fair to allow a person to choose whether to receive Christ or to reject him. Would God be loving if he kept a person against their will? If the person is going to hell, it is out of their choice. Would heaven be paradise if the person doesn't want to be there?

But just making that paradox is unfair. he could just love us regardless. No,he makes conditions that mean rejecting all those "gifts" of free will. Sorry but your god is unfair and selfish.

He does, but the reason why everyone is going to hell is because of sin. God loves us enough to die for us, but he despises our sinful nature. A good father loves their child regardless, but the father doesn't approve of what their doing. A father would still love their child even if they have an addiction to alcohol or drugs, but the father wouldn't approve of the addiction itself. Same with sin, God loves humans, but He doesn't like sin at all. Unfortunately, because of sin, God has no choice but to hold everyone accountable for it. His righteous side demands it.
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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]

What if God forces everyone to believe in him? People will still complain about God not giving them a choice. God allows free will, and he is fair to allow a person to choose whether to receive Christ or to reject him. Would God be loving if he kept a person against their will? If the person is going to hell, it is out of their choice. Would heaven be paradise if the person doesn't want to be there?

hiphops_savior

But just making that paradox is unfair. he could just love us regardless. No,he makes conditions that mean rejecting all those "gifts" of free will. Sorry but your god is unfair and selfish.

He does, but the reason why everyone is going to hell is because of sin. God loves us enough to die for us, but he despises our sinful nature. A good father loves their child regardless, but the father doesn't approve of what their doing. A father would still love their child even if they have an addiction to alcohol or drugs, but the father wouldn't approve of the addiction itself. Same with sin, God loves humans, but He doesn't like sin at all. Unfortunately, because of sin, God has no choice but to hold everyone accountable for it. His righteous side demands it.

If he is the all and created everything then HE craeated sin. End of argument. Like i said a catch 22.

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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]

What if God forces everyone to believe in him? People will still complain about God not giving them a choice. God allows free will, and he is fair to allow a person to choose whether to receive Christ or to reject him. Would God be loving if he kept a person against their will? If the person is going to hell, it is out of their choice. Would heaven be paradise if the person doesn't want to be there?

hiphops_savior

But just making that paradox is unfair. he could just love us regardless. No,he makes conditions that mean rejecting all those "gifts" of free will. Sorry but your god is unfair and selfish.

He does, but the reason why everyone is going to hell is because of sin. God loves us enough to die for us, but he despises our sinful nature. A good father loves their child regardless, but the father doesn't approve of what their doing. A father would still love their child even if they have an addiction to alcohol or drugs, but the father wouldn't approve of the addiction itself. Same with sin, God loves humans, but He doesn't like sin at all. Unfortunately, because of sin, God has no choice but to hold everyone accountable for it. His righteous side demands it.

well thenif he was so powerful

then why did he create such faulty humans

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[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]But just making that paradox is unfair. he could just love us regardless. No,he makes conditions that mean rejecting all those "gifts" of free will. Sorry but your god is unfair and selfish.spawnassasin

He does, but the reason why everyone is going to hell is because of sin. God loves us enough to die for us, but he despises our sinful nature. A good father loves their child regardless, but the father doesn't approve of what their doing. A father would still love their child even if they have an addiction to alcohol or drugs, but the father wouldn't approve of the addiction itself. Same with sin, God loves humans, but He doesn't like sin at all. Unfortunately, because of sin, God has no choice but to hold everyone accountable for it. His righteous side demands it.

well thenif he was so powerful

then why did he create such faulty humans

That`s what I`m saying why bother putting us on the planet with free will and the from birth feeling to do what we want if it`s ultimately going to send us to hell... what`s the freaking point!

It`s like some sick puppet show or something... :(

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[QUOTE="spawnassasin"]

well thenif he was so powerful

then why did he create such faulty humans

Thats what I am saying. he hates sin but in that worldview god created everything so sin is his fault. the only out is that he did not create sin but then who did? all of a sudden you have a logic hole.
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#56 mattykovax
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[QUOTE="sensfanVone"]

[QUOTE="spawnassasin"]

He does, but the reason why everyone is going to hell is because of sin. God loves us enough to die for us, but he despises our sinful nature. A good father loves their child regardless, but the father doesn't approve of what their doing. A father would still love their child even if they have an addiction to alcohol or drugs, but the father wouldn't approve of the addiction itself. Same with sin, God loves humans, but He doesn't like sin at all. Unfortunately, because of sin, God has no choice but to hold everyone accountable for it. His righteous side demands it.hiphops_savior

well thenif he was so powerful

then why did he create such faulty humans

That`s what I`m saying why bother putting us on the planet with free will and the from birth feeling to do what we want if it`s ultimately going to send us to hell... what`s the freaking point!

It`s like some sick puppet show or something... :(

That was my original point,like a five year old in a sandbox.
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There is no God---------- Karl Marx said so ;)

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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="spawnassasin"]

well thenif he was so powerful

then why did he create such faulty humans

Thats what I am saying. he hates sin but in that worldview god created everything so sin is his fault. the only out is that he did not create sin but then who did? all of a sudden you have a logic hole.

The first person to sin is Lucifer, because he developed pride in his heart and desired to be equal to God. Sin is the direct disobedience of God, and so, there is no way God can ever sin, simply because it's not possible. The only way to pay for sin is through death, and God is willing to send his own son to die in order satisfy the penalty of sin. In short, sin is the absence of God.
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Hasn't happened and probably won't.

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[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"][QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="spawnassasin"]

well thenif he was so powerful

then why did he create such faulty humans

Thats what I am saying. he hates sin but in that worldview god created everything so sin is his fault. the only out is that he did not create sin but then who did? all of a sudden you have a logic hole.

The first person to sin is Lucifer, because he developed pride in his heart and desired to be equal to God. Sin is the direct disobedience of God, and so, there is no way God can ever sin, simply because it's not possible. The only way to pay for sin is through death, and God is willing to send his own son to die in order satisfy the penalty of sin. In short, sin is the absence of God.

But he could only do that because god let him. It was gods plan.Seriously if he is everything he is a jerk. Follow that if you want,I will not.
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That's fine, I'm just trying to clear things up, but it feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. I'm seriously not trying to convert people, I'm just curious in how a person stopped believing.
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I don't really know if I ever truly believed, but I started thinking of myself as an agnostic in 10th grade, I think. I was 15 then and I'm 18 now.
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My parents didn't brain wash me to be religious, so iv'e never believed in god.
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I stopped believing when I grew up.
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That's fine, I'm just trying to clear things up, but it feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. I'm seriously not trying to convert people, I'm just curious in how a person stopped believing.hiphops_savior
Its inconsistent. Christians are the brick wall not the non believers.
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when I realized that Kratos once walked the earth.

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[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]That's fine, I'm just trying to clear things up, but it feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. I'm seriously not trying to convert people, I'm just curious in how a person stopped believing.mattykovax
Its inconsistent. Christians are the brick wall not the non believers.

Yes, we have been utterly unaware of the existence of this inconsistency until you've brought it up with us, and thus have never, ever said or done anything about it. Because we don't think. thinkin is haaaaard. God dont like it.

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when i started thinking for myself and not what my parents wanted me to believe, and learning about biology and space in school helped too. it just made god seem pointless....

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i was born a christian but i stopped when i could start thinking for myself

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i was born a christian but i stopped when i could start thinking for myself

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when i started thinking for myself and not what my parents wanted me to believe, and learning about biology and space in school helped too. it just made god seem pointless....

adv_tr00per

How did space made you stop believing in God? I think that some of you all werent strong in the faith. Here's something to think about, and I see that people brought up biology... Did you know that Charles Darwin believed in God? But it wasnt his theory of evolution that made him stop practicing Christianity. It was the fact that his wife died that made him bitter and and mad at God. Thats pretty sad.

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[QUOTE="munchlax99"]

i was born a christian but i stopped when i could start thinking for myself

gamerlifegrace

when i started thinking for myself and not what my parents wanted me to believe, and learning about biology and space in school helped too. it just made god seem pointless....

adv_tr00per

How did space made you stop believing in God? I think that some of you all werent strong in the faith. Here's something to think about, and I see that people bought up biology...You know that Charles Darwin Believed in God? But it wasnt histheory ofevolutionthat made him stop practicing Christianity. It was the fact that his wife died that made him bitter and and mad at God.Thats pretty sad.

proof please.
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[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"]

[QUOTE="munchlax99"] [QUOTE="adv_tr00per"]

when i started thinking for myself and not what my parents wanted me to believe, and learning about biology and space in school helped too. it just made god seem pointless....

General_Yoto

How did space made you stop believing in God? I think that some of you all werent strong in the faith. Here's something to think about, and I see that people bought up biology...You know that Charles Darwin Believed in God? But it wasnt histheory ofevolutionthat made him stop practicing Christianity. It was the fact that his wife died that made him bitter and and mad at God.Thats pretty sad.

proof please.

wikipedia. They got the sources there from where it originally came from.

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[QUOTE="munchlax99"]

i was born a christian but i stopped when i could start thinking for myself

gamerlifegrace

when i started thinking for myself and not what my parents wanted me to believe, and learning about biology and space in school helped too. it just made god seem pointless....

adv_tr00per

How did space made you stop believing in God? I think that some of you all werent strong in the faith. Here's something to think about, and I see that people bought up biology...You know that Charles Darwin Believed in God? But it wasnt histheory ofevolutionthat made him stop practicing Christianity. It was the fact that his wife died that made him bitter and and mad at God.Thats pretty sad.

have you ever seen the pictures of the universe? earth is pretty much irrelevant and why would god make all that room for some puny humans living in the corner of the universe? and i actually used to be really really faithful, and thought that people who didn't believe in god were idiots. but you just learn and realize things......

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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]That's fine, I'm just trying to clear things up, but it feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. I'm seriously not trying to convert people, I'm just curious in how a person stopped believing.Theokhoth

Its inconsistent. Christians are the brick wall not the non believers.

Yes, we have been utterly unaware of the existence of this inconsistency until you've brought it up with us, and thus have never, ever said or done anything about it. Because we don't think. thinkin is haaaaard. God dont like it.

And you are gay I am not against that my posts will tell but the bible pretty clearly says I should throw rocks at you till it kills you. Unlike others I will find the verse if I have to. Your defending a religion that hates you. And if you find a reason it does not that is just more inconsistent. Cause the bible does say kill gay people FACT.
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have you ever seen the pictures of the universe? earth is pretty much irrelevant and why would god make all that room for some puny humans living in the corner of the universe? and i actually used to be really really faithful, and thought that people who didn't believe in god were idiots. but you just learn and realize things......

adv_tr00per

That actually sounds very ignorant, seeing that we are the only living life forms that we know of. And everything is infinite (space and time) so I have no idea why you said that.

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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Its inconsistent. Christians are the brick wall not the non believers.mattykovax

Yes, we have been utterly unaware of the existence of this inconsistency until you've brought it up with us, and thus have never, ever said or done anything about it. Because we don't think. thinkin is haaaaard. God dont like it.

And you are gay I am not against that my posts will tell but the bible pretty clearly says I should throw rocks at you till it kills you. Unlike others I will find the verse if I have to. Your defending a religion that hates you. And if you find a reason it does not that is just more inconsistent. Cause the bible does say kill gay people FACT.

sigh. That was old testament governance. I can explain it to you (as to why that kind of stuff happened) if you want me too.
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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Yes, we have been utterly unaware of the existence of this inconsistency until you've brought it up with us, and thus have never, ever said or done anything about it. Because we don't think. thinkin is haaaaard. God dont like it.

gamerlifegrace

And you are gay I am not against that my posts will tell but the bible pretty clearly says I should throw rocks at you till it kills you. Unlike others I will find the verse if I have to. Your defending a religion that hates you. And if you find a reason it does not that is just more inconsistent. Cause the bible does say kill gay people FACT.

sigh. That was old testament governance. I can explain it to you (as to why that kind of stuff happened) if you want me too.

Yeah the new testament killed it. Same old song and verse......If god wnted that gone he would not have made it....original point,inconsistent. If god was real he would be steady.

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[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]And you are gay I am not against that my posts will tell but the bible pretty clearly says I should throw rocks at you till it kills you. Unlike others I will find the verse if I have to. Your defending a religion that hates you. And if you find a reason it does not that is just more inconsistent. Cause the bible does say kill gay people FACT.mattykovax

sigh. That was old testament governance. I can explain it to you (as to why that kind of stuff happened) if you want me too.

Yeah the new testament killed it. Same old song and verse......If god wnted that gone he would not have made it....original point,inconsistent. If god was real he would be steady.

And that is why I knew that I had to explain it to you...

If you know about the first 5 books of the Bible (the Torah), then you would know that God was what the President, or a King would be in this day. He was basically the govenor and the ruler and directly made all of the rules. I must let you remember that 1. God created all things and I dont think that you are in any position to say what God can and cannot do to things that he owns/created, especially since humans are walking talking contradictions about what we think is "moral" and "immoral". Secondly, this was during the begining of time, so God was making this as the foundation of what should go on for eternity.

But if you know about sin, we are not forgiven and are alive because of something we have done or what we have done, we are only forgiven because of God's love. "For God so LOVED the world" Not because "mattykovax kinda followed the rules and because he is such a good person".

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I think it was probably around 97 or so.
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[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]And you are gay I am not against that my posts will tell but the bible pretty clearly says I should throw rocks at you till it kills you. Unlike others I will find the verse if I have to. Your defending a religion that hates you. And if you find a reason it does not that is just more inconsistent. Cause the bible does say kill gay people FACT.mattykovax

sigh. That was old testament governance. I can explain it to you (as to why that kind of stuff happened) if you want me too.

Yeah the new testament killed it. Same old song and verse......If god wnted that gone he would not have made it....original point,inconsistent. If god was real he would be steady.

And that is why I knew that I had to explain it to you... If you know about the first 5 books of the Bible (the Torah), then you would know that God was what the President, or a King would be in this day. He was basically the govenor and the ruler and directly made all of the rules. I must let you remember that 1. God created all things and I dont think that you are in any position to say what God can and cannot do to things that he owns/created, especially since humans are walking talking contradictions about what we think is "moral" and "immoral". Secondly, this was during the begining of time, so God was making this as the foundation of what should go on for eternity. But if you know about sin, we are not forgiven and are alive because of something we have done or what we have done, we are only forgiven because of God's love. "For God so LOVED the world" Not because "mattykovax kinda followed the rules and because he is such a good person".
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[QUOTE="munchlax99"]

i was born a christian but i stopped when i could start thinking for myself

gamerlifegrace

when i started thinking for myself and not what my parents wanted me to believe, and learning about biology and space in school helped too. it just made god seem pointless....

adv_tr00per

How did space made you stop believing in God? I think that some of you all werent strong in the faith. Here's something to think about, and I see that people brought up biology... Did you know that Charles Darwin believed in God? But it wasnt his theory of evolution that made him stop practicing Christianity. It was the fact that his wife died that made him bitter and and mad at God. Thats pretty sad.

Charles Darwin was born into a Christianity but he lost his faith. You can see his nonbelief in God merely by reading his books.

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Charles Darwin was born into a Christianity but he lost his faith. You can see his nonbelief in God merely by reading his books.

BumFluff122

I never disputed that. But it was because of his wife dying that made him stop believing and bitter inside.

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[QUOTE="mattykovax"]

[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"] sigh. That was old testament governance. I can explain it to you (as to why that kind of stuff happened) if you want me too. gamerlifegrace

Yeah the new testament killed it. Same old song and verse......If god wnted that gone he would not have made it....original point,inconsistent. If god was real he would be steady.

And that is why I knew that I had to explain it to you...

If you know about the first 5 books of the Bible (the Torah), then you would know that God was what the President, or a King would be in this day. He was basically the govenor and the ruler and directly made all of the rules. I must let you remember that 1. God created all things and I dont think that you are in any position to say what God can and cannot do to things that he owns/created, especially since humans are walking talking contradictions about what we think is "moral" and "immoral". Secondly, this was during the begining of time, so God was making this as the foundation of what should go on for eternity.

But if you know about sin, we are not forgiven and are alive because of something we have done or what we have done, we are only forgiven because of God's love. "For God so LOVED the world" Not because "mattykovax kinda followed the rules and because he is such a good person".

so me and matty here are going to hell just because we choose no to believe in a god that gave us free will

sorry but thats just absurd

"Morality is doing right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right." -HL Mencken

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[QUOTE="spawnassasin"]

[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"]

[QUOTE="mattykovax"]Yeah the new testament killed it. Same old song and verse......If god wnted that gone he would not have made it....original point,inconsistent. If god was real he would be steady.

And that is why I knew that I had to explain it to you...

If you know about the first 5 books of the Bible (the Torah), then you would know that God was what the President, or a King would be in this day. He was basically the govenor and the ruler and directly made all of the rules. I must let you remember that 1. God created all things and I dont think that you are in any position to say what God can and cannot do to things that he owns/created, especially since humans are walking talking contradictions about what we think is "moral" and "immoral". Secondly, this was during the begining of time, so God was making this as the foundation of what should go on for eternity.

But if you know about sin, we are not forgiven and are alive because of something we have done or what we have done, we are only forgiven because of God's love. "For God so LOVED the world" Not because "mattykovax kinda followed the rules and because he is such a good person".

so me and matty here are going to hell just because we choose no to believe in a god that gave us free will

sorry but thats just absurd

"Morality is doing right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right." -HL Mencken

Great quote.
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#89 gamerlifegrace
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[QUOTE="spawnassasin"]

[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"]

[QUOTE="mattykovax"]Yeah the new testament killed it. Same old song and verse......If god wnted that gone he would not have made it....original point,inconsistent. If god was real he would be steady.

And that is why I knew that I had to explain it to you...

If you know about the first 5 books of the Bible (the Torah), then you would know that God was what the President, or a King would be in this day. He was basically the govenor and the ruler and directly made all of the rules. I must let you remember that 1. God created all things and I dont think that you are in any position to say what God can and cannot do to things that he owns/created, especially since humans are walking talking contradictions about what we think is "moral" and "immoral". Secondly, this was during the begining of time, so God was making this as the foundation of what should go on for eternity.

But if you know about sin, we are not forgiven and are alive because of something we have done or what we have done, we are only forgiven because of God's love. "For God so LOVED the world" Not because "mattykovax kinda followed the rules and because he is such a good person".

so me and matty here are going to hell just because we choose no to believe in a god that gave us free will

sorry but thats just absurd

"Morality is doing right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right." -HL Mencken

what are you talking about??? I never said that either of you are going to hell. chill out.
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#92 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] Charles Darwin was born into a Christianity but he lost his faith. You can see his nonbelief in God merely by reading his books.

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I never disputed that. But it was because of his wife dying that made him stop believing and bitter inside.

You stated that Charles Darwin was a Christian. He was not. He was born into the religion and left behind the indoctrination to pursue his own goals. The oringator of the Big Bang theiry was a preist also. That doesn't take away from the liklihood of the theiry nor does it make the theory more Christian. Darwin beign a Chrsitan or a Muslim or a Scientologist does not take away from the evidences pointing towards the theory, which by the scientific community at large is considered a fact.

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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="spawnassasin"]

[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"]

And that is why I knew that I had to explain it to you...

If you know about the first 5 books of the Bible (the Torah), then you would know that God was what the President, or a King would be in this day. He was basically the govenor and the ruler and directly made all of the rules. I must let you remember that 1. God created all things and I dont think that you are in any position to say what God can and cannot do to things that he owns/created, especially since humans are walking talking contradictions about what we think is "moral" and "immoral". Secondly, this was during the begining of time, so God was making this as the foundation of what should go on for eternity.

But if you know about sin, we are not forgiven and are alive because of something we have done or what we have done, we are only forgiven because of God's love. "For God so LOVED the world" Not because "mattykovax kinda followed the rules and because he is such a good person".

so me and matty here are going to hell just because we choose no to believe in a god that gave us free will

sorry but thats just absurd

"Morality is doing right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right." -HL Mencken

Great quote.

Don't say this is a good quote when you don't stand by it. Giving someone your address and enticing him to meet you so you can kill him for his religion (and nothing else I might add) is not morality. In fact it is straight dreadful to think that people still have attitudes like this. Its fine if you don't believe in the same thing that another might believe in - But I think we all have a general standard of what morality is - and "And never said I was good." is quite pathetic. I've never met anyone in my life that strove to be a bad person.
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when i realized santa didnt exist. then it was reaffirmed when i moved to the middle east in the 3rd grade. not that islam put me off of the idea. but my world view suddenly exploded in size and i realized no religion made sense. and i was disgusted by the things i saw people doing for religion.

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#96 gamerlifegrace
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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="spawnassasin"]

so me and matty here are going to hell just because we choose no to believe in a god that gave us free will

sorry but thats just absurd

"Morality is doing right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right." -HL Mencken

RedDraco66

Great quote.

Don't say this is a good quote when you don't stand by it. Giving someone your address and enticing him to meet you so you can kill him for his religion (and nothing else I might add) is not morality. In fact it is straight dreadful to think that people still have attitudes like this. Its fine if you don't believe in the same thing that another might believe in - But I think we all have a general standard of what morality is - and "And never said I was good." is quite pathetic. I've never met anyone in my life that strove to be a bad person.

exactly.

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I haven't stopped believing. It would be impossible for me. Call me brainwashed, delusional, etc. but I see topics like these as just the devils attempt to pick away at my faith and turn me away from God. I'm a man of maths and sciences but I'm also a strong and proud follower of the Christain faith. Feel free to judge, I don't mind at all.
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#98 SnakeBite27
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This seems like a really angry thread, but it's interesting. I completely agree with hip hops on this. No i'm not religious in a tradtional sense of the word. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and i think a religion is just cliche and disgusting now. My parents raised me as a Christian, did they brainwash me? i don't know but then again whose doing the brainwashing our parents or the world, because we all know the world is out to give us all the important information and help us achieve. People keep saying God would be like this.... or God would be like this...blah blah blah if he were real. but why should we get to choose how God is? And who decides whose good or bad and what actions are good or bad? if i think murder is ok and you don't whose to tell me it's not. Just because a bunch of people feel in there conscience it's wrong. If im wrong and i believe, nothing, if im right i spend an eternity with my lord and savior, If im wrong or right and don't believe either way it won't end well. But that's not the extent of my reasons for believing in God. But that's part of it.

"The number one greatest cause of athiesm in the world today is Christians who confess with there mouth Jesus is the Lord and walk out there door and deny him. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable"

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I'm confused. How is it you don't call yourself religious and say that you follow Jesus Christ and He is your Lord and Savior?

Thats the precise definition of a religion.

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I don't think I ever did. I did go to Sunday school and did the communion thing, but I never actually felt anything about it.
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#100 blackacidevil96
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[QUOTE="adv_tr00per"]

have you ever seen the pictures of the universe? earth is pretty much irrelevant and why would god make all that room for some puny humans living in the corner of the universe? and i actually used to be really really faithful, and thought that people who didn't believe in god were idiots. but you just learn and realize things......

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That actually sounds very ignorant, seeing that we are the only living life forms that we know of. And everything is infinite (space and time) so I have no idea why you said that.

space is not infinite. the bredth of out own universe is an empirically measureable number (of cousres these are all best estimates given current technology.). and time in the most general sense (meaning the most non scientific way possible) is only a means of task managemnt created by humans. saying that your watch even measures time is a crude and inaccurate answer to a complex question (the question being how do you measure time.)

AND currently weve discovered over 400 exoplanets (planets orbiting a star other than our own.) we not even scratched the surface of whats out there. just because we have not found life outside of earths grasp. doesnt mean its not there. id hardly expect to make contact with another advanced race or even a micro organism considering humans havent even had a presence beyond our atmosphere of even 100years.