Sphephen Fry debate against catholicism

One of the most eloquent and excellent dabators I've ever seen.
LINK
From last year.
There are also links to those who were dabating for the church, and you can also seach youtue for 'intelligence squared' if you can't find them.

Thoughts?

Edit:
The debate in its entirety:
part 1
part 2
part 3
part 4
part 5 (Q&A from the audience, also very good)

That was the best 8 minutes and 52 seconds of my morning, thumbs up! I'm going to watch Hitchens' response now.

That was the best 8 minutes and 52 seconds of my morning, thumbs up! I'm going to watch Hitchens' response now.

Atheos-Arkhaios

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That was the best 8 minutes and 52 seconds of my morning, thumbs up! I'm going to watch Hitchens' response now.

cybrcatter

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That was the best 8 minutes and 52 seconds of my morning, thumbs up! I'm going to watch Hitchens' response now.

cybrcatter

Stephen Fry's already legendary status has somehow increased in my eyes after watching that.

Why do people relentlessly attack catholicism..

I can never get enough of Stephan Fry :Dmarkop2003

Why do people relentlessly attack catholicism..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

. I do love Sphephen Fry.

Stephen Fry wins on the basis of being Stephen Fry. That said, his argument was fanatastic.

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Why do people relentlessly attack catholicism..

bobbetybob

I was speaking in general...even then..why debate it...some people follow it some don't...catholics aren't hurting anyone..

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Why do people relentlessly attack catholicism..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I was speaking in general...even then..why debate it...some people follow it some don't...catholics aren't hurting anyone..

Well, they're not hurting anyone now.

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Why do people relentlessly attack catholicism..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I was speaking in general...even then..why debate it...some people follow it some don't...catholics aren't hurting anyone..

He made some valid points and was respectful. I'm Catholic but I don't condone the used of condoms.

It's a debate, but I can't find the video for the Catholicism defense.

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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"] It's a debate about Catholicism, what do you except them to do...Dark_Knight6

I was speaking in general...even then..why debate it...some people follow it some don't...catholics aren't hurting anyone..

Well, they're not hurting anyone now.

Oh please...

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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"] It's a debate about Catholicism, what do you except them to do...Lockedge

I was speaking in general...even then..why debate it...some people follow it some don't...catholics aren't hurting anyone..

I think it would be regardless unfortunately..

Oh please...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

That doesn't stop me from being right. The corruption that has gone on and that continues to go on within the Catholic church is unbelievable.

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Oh please...

Dark_Knight6

That doesn't stop me from being right. The corruption that has gone on and that continues to go on within the Catholic church is unbelievable.

The leaders are human..can't expect them to be perfect..

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Oh please...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

That doesn't stop me from being right. The corruption that has gone on and that continues to go on within the Catholic church is unbelievable.

The leaders are human..can't expect them to be perfect..

The leaders are human..can't expect them to be perfect..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I never said I expected perfection. But when someone is molested by priest, I expect that priest to be brought to justice, not for the Pope to cover it up because it could hurt the name of the church.

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The leaders are human..can't expect them to be perfect..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

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Oh please...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

That doesn't stop me from being right. The corruption that has gone on and that continues to go on within the Catholic church is unbelievable.

The leaders are human..can't expect them to be perfect..

tell this poor man that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4&feature=related

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tell this poor man that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4&feature=related

snakes_codec

Loved the video. Stephen Fry is a brilliant man. No unneccesary attacks, just valid points..

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Oh please...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

That doesn't stop me from being right. The corruption that has gone on and that continues to go on within the Catholic church is unbelievable.

The leaders are human..can't expect them to be perfect..

Stephen Fry wins on the basis of being Stephen Fry. That said, his argument was fanatastic.

Dark_Knight6

Stephen Fry is amazing, and this only makes him amazing-er.

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Why do people relentlessly attack catholicism..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I was speaking in general...even then..why debate it...some people follow it some don't...catholics aren't hurting anyone..

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tell this poor man that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4&feature=related

clayron

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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"] It's a debate about Catholicism, what do you except them to do...Deihjan

I was speaking in general...even then..why debate it...some people follow it some don't...catholics aren't hurting anyone..

Like a large portion of them have hand in that..;)

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The leaders are human..can't expect them to be perfect..

Dark_Knight6

I never said I expected perfection. But when someone is molested by priest, I expect that priest to be brought to justice, not for the Pope to cover it up because it could hurt the name of the church.

I can see why he did that...although it wasn't a wise decision..

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I was speaking in general...even then..why debate it...some people follow it some don't...catholics aren't hurting anyone..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Like a large portion of them have hand in that..;)

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That doesn't stop me from being right. The corruption that has gone on and that continues to go on within the Catholic church is unbelievable.

snakes_codec

The leaders are human..can't expect them to be perfect..

I would if i knew him :P...

tell this poor man that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4&feature=related

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The leaders are human..can't expect them to be perfect..

clayron

A large number?..talk about exaggeration..and yes, they have a small margin for error..they make mistakes..they can't help it they aren't mortal gods..

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The leaders are human..can't expect them to be perfect..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

A large number?..talk about exaggeration..and yes, they have a small margin for error..they make mistakes..they can't help it they aren't mortal gods..

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[QUOTE="Deihjan"] No, especially not when they molest little kidscybrcatter

Like a large portion of them have hand in that..;)

"Our criminal justice system broken because procedures are complex, or because they are designed to ensure that an innocent person is not wrongly convicted? Any mature criminal justice system -- including the canonical system -- has two duties: to punish the guilty and, of no less importance, to protect the innocent from mistaken prosecution. Sometimes, in a rush to judgment, people forget about the latter".it takes time to investigate these matters...and necessary action and such is now being taken...

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[QUOTE="clayron"] That's not a valid excuse. The people that run the catholic church all take a ridiculous number of vows and oaths that say that they will uphold the original principles that the church was supposedly founded on. That makes them accountable to the people of the church and those that criticize catholicism. Its not about being perfect but when you have a large number of priest engaging in child molestation, a pope whose word can influence the lives of hundreds of millions, and a hierarchal system destined to keep power in the hands of a few you have a small margin of error before people start to openly criticize what your true intentions are. You have to do your best to see that you contribute to the world you are meant to serve. And with the centuries of corruption/deceit/violence that has been a part of the catholic church it makes itself a target for criticism, because it is not doing exactly what it is telling people it supposed to do.

Deihjan

A large number?..talk about exaggeration..and yes, they have a small margin for error..they make mistakes..they can't help it they aren't mortal gods..

Yes they are SUPPOSED to..but above all they are fallible and mortal in every way we are...i'm not defending it...i'm just saying people need to hop off the "priest molestation" bandwagon..

I can see why he did that...although it wasn't a wise decision..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

It was the farthest thing from a wise decision and because of that, the church leaders deserve every bit of disgust and critism aimed at them. Instead of dealing with hit, he swept it under the carpet.

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I can see why he did that...although it wasn't a wise decision..

Dark_Knight6

It was the farthest thing from a wise decision and because of that, the church leaders deserve every bit of disgust and critism aimed at them. Instead of dealing with hit, he swept it under the carpet.

We are talking about molestation in general or specifically in regards to Rev. Alvin Campbell..?

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I can see why he did that...although it wasn't a wise decision..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

It was the farthest thing from a wise decision and because of that, the church leaders deserve every bit of disgust and critism aimed at them. Instead of dealing with hit, he swept it under the carpet.

We are talking about molestation in general or specifically in regards to Rev. Alvin Campbell..?

About it in general. The "he" was referring to the Pope.