Stalin Sculpture at National D-Day memorial- your opinions

The second option. Just because he was a terrible person doesn't mean that you can pretend he had no part in D-Day.

Let me just say this one last thing.. Had it not been for America.. The war would have been lost. And the Axis would have won.00-Riddick-00

Let me just say this one last thing.. Had it not been for America.. The war would have been lost. And the Axis would have won.00-Riddick-00

Yes, Lend-Lease was vital. But, the USA military wasn't needed for allied victory in Europe. The Pacific, yes, USA did play an important role.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Let me just say this one last thing.. Had it not been for America.. The war would have been lost. And the Axis would have won.lordreaven

Yes, but they did help the british defeat the japanese in the Pacific.

Let me just say this one last thing.. Had it not been for America.. The war would have been lost. And the Axis would have won.00-Riddick-00

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Andrew Jackson did many other things during his Presidency. Having Statues of Him are mainly because every president we've ever had has had some sort of Statue or something made for him. "Approximately 350,000 Hungarian officials and intellectuals were purged from 1948 to 1956." From the Wikipedia article I linked. Snipes_2

I agree. Stalin helped win WWII, so when we include the other head of state for the war (Churchill), we sure as hell should include him. You can't just ignore his involvment.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Let me just say this one last thing.. Had it not been for America.. The war would have been lost. And the Axis would have won.T_P_O

Stalin committed worse atrocities than Hitler he doesn't deserve any recognition. If anything, they should pick a Soviet any-man and use a bust of him to honor the dead Soviets and the blood they gave for the freedom. It would be like the German's erecting a monument to Tojo in a memorial park in Germany.

Yes they did help and had it not been for them the war would have been lost.. But NO ONE won the war by themselves.. 00-Riddick-00

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Let me just say this one last thing.. Had it not been for America.. The war would have been lost. And the Axis would have won.00-Riddick-00

I think the USSR could have done it on their own. Assuming Lend-Lease is still in play, and all other events leading up to June 1941 (Soviet entry to WW2) still happened.

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I agree. Stalin helped win WWII, so when we include the other head of state for the war (Churchill), we sure as hell should include him. You can't just ignore his involvment.

MattUD1

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="wstfld"]

I agree. Stalin helped win WWII, so when we include the other head of state for the war (Churchill), we sure as hell should include him. You can't just ignore his involvment.

wstfld

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] HE made a Pact with Nazi Germany. The only reason he even wanted to help was because he thought we Would win and the Germans broke their Pact with him. I posted something on it at the top of the page. Snipes_2

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[QUOTE="MattUD1"] How does his reason for entering the war matter in the slightest in terms of his contributions to the victory? We only entered the war because Germany declared war on us. MattUD1

Let's be accurate. The Texas board of ed already did enough history revision this year. wstfld

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] He made a Pact with Nazi Germany. He was unwilling to attack them even after they attacked him. He even waited to counterattack.

Snipes_2

MattUD1

Stalin committed worse atrocities than Hitler he doesn't deserve any recognition. If anything, they should pick a Soviet any-man and use a bust of him to honor the dead Soviets and the blood they gave for the freedom. It would be like the German's erecting a monument to Tojo in a memorial park in Germany.

foxhound_fox

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Snipes_2

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MattUD1

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Wasn't that just before or after Germany broke the Pact? I think the Weather may have been a blessing, I seriously doubt he was waiting for it to plan his counterattack.

Snipes_2

27 million deaths at the hands of the Germans to hold the line so the West could get it's s*** straight to do D Day?

yeah i'd say as the leader of the Soviet Union, an ally in WWII.

they earned their spot.

'nuff said by me....

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="MattUD1"] Germany broke the Pact at the end of June 1941. Germany wanted to seize Moscow before any in-climate weather hampered his efforts. This of course overlooks the other issues that Germany faced including an overstretched supply line and that the Soviets could bring up troops at a higher rate than the Germans could be supplied. The Germans still advanced, just at a slower pace because of supply issues and resistance by Soviet troops and commanders who did not want to face Stalin's wrath. I don't think he was overtly waiting for the weather to plan a counter-attack, just waiting until he had enough troops to mount an effective counter-attack, rather than just a stall tactic.MattUD1

Stalin is an evil monster, he is no better than Hitler himself and should not be honored in anyway. Dont build it.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Stalin is an evil monster, he is no better than Hitler himself and should not be honored in anyway. Dont build it.Eleckidding

I think they should erect the statue. The_Gaming_Baby

[QUOTE="The_Gaming_Baby"]I think they should erect the statue. SeanDog123

Historical accuracy is very important. If anyone has bad feelings regarding this memorial, they should just get a time machine, go back in time and tell Stalin to stay out of it. JustPlainLucas

Regardless of Stalin's actions before, during, and after the war; he was still pivotal in the outcome of the war. Without the help of the USSR, the other Allied powers would of had to face the entire German war machine alone. I find a hard time believing that the Allies would of won the war without the USSR. Because of the importance of the USSR, it is only right to include Stalin along side FDR and Churchill.

I have very little knowledge about the whole subject or about the guy so bear with me if I sound ignorant, but if somebody murdered that many people, why are they getting a statue? he doesn't sound like a hero, he sounds like a monster.

XilePrincess

Sometimes democracies had to make decisions as to who to ally themselves with. We would have had a much harder road to victory if we had not allied ourselves with Russia. General Patton well knew that they would not remain steadfast allies, but politicians didn't want to hear that.

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I have very little knowledge about the whole subject or about the guy so bear with me if I sound ignorant, but if somebody murdered that many people, why are they getting a statue? he doesn't sound like a hero, he sounds like a monster.

Sometimes democracies had to make decisions as to who to ally themselves with. We would have had a much harder road to victory if we had not allied ourselves with Russia. General Patton well knew that they would not remain steadfast allies, but politicians didn't want to hear that.

Whoa! I had no idea this topic would get so many responses. Many times my topics don't even get a response.

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[QUOTE="lordreaven"] Then lets have little notes next to Churchill saying he was a Drunk..........a very funny drunk:)GabuEx

Very funny? More like absolutely hilarious drunk :lol:

"Drunk I may be, Madam, but you are ugly, and in the morning I will be sober."

- Winston Churchill

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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

Very funny? More like absolutely hilarious drunk :lol:

whipassmt

"Drunk I may be, Madam, but you are ugly, and in the morning I will be sober."

- Winston Churchill

The USSR played a very pivotal role in WWII (although I don't know how much credit I'd allocate exclusively to Stalin). It is not inaccurate to say that the USSR won the war for the Allies. But I would never commemorate Stalin. I think a memorial in honor of the Soviet soldiers who gave their lives in WWII is more appropriate, and easier to digest than a statue of Stalin. -Sun_Tzu-

It's D-Day, not V-E day. Stalin should not be there... The memorial should be dedicated to British, Canadian, and American soldiers.

Also, Germany lost the war because Italy invaded Greece.

Domobomb

Umm hell no it shouldnt be there.. And frankly im getting tired of the russians saying they beat germany single handedly.00-Riddick-00

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Umm hell no it shouldnt be there.. And frankly im getting tired of the russians saying they beat germany single handedly.Domobomb

They pretty much did though.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="Eleckidding"] Defeating 75% of Nazi-controlled Germany's army is pretty much singlehandedly.lordreaven

say what you want about them, but communists always were the strongest opponents of fascism, both politically and militarily.quiglythegreat

I'm confused. This is a memorial, not a museum. The purpose of it is to honor the soldiers that were involved in D-Day, including the many that lost their lives. Were there any Russian soldiers on the beach that day?

Let me just say this one last thing.. Had it not been for America.. The war would have been lost. And the Axis would have won.00-Riddick-00

Same applies to Britain and Russia.

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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]

I have very little knowledge about the whole subject or about the guy so bear with me if I sound ignorant, but if somebody murdered that many people, why are they getting a statue? he doesn't sound like a hero, he sounds like a monster.

lordreaven

Sometimes democracies had to make decisions as to who to ally themselves with. We would have had a much harder road to victory if we had not allied ourselves with Russia. General Patton well knew that they would not remain steadfast allies, but politicians didn't want to hear that.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The USSR played a very pivotal role in WWII (although I don't know how much credit I'd allocate exclusively to Stalin). It is not inaccurate to say that the USSR won the war for the Allies. But I would never commemorate Stalin. I think a memorial in honor of the Soviet soldiers who gave their lives in WWII is more appropriate, and easier to digest than a statue of Stalin. HoolaHoopMan