Star Wars Episode VII is happening - UPDATE: Episode VIII and IX to follow

I don't see what's so bad about Episodes 1-3, sure they are no where near as good as the origional trilogy. But they are still enjoyable films in their own right. The dialog might be a little silly at times, and Jar Jar is annoying (but was a good character for kids to laugh at), but overall I enjoyed them. I don't get the hate.

Looking forward to the new trilogy. Can't wait! Won't top the orgional trilogy though, I don't think anything ever will. Closest thing that came close to doing it was Lord of The Rings, which is my favorite modern day film series. But still it can't touch the orgional Star Wars trilogy.

ShadowMoses900

the plot devices and characters have the integrity of swiss cheese, not to mention the dialogue is nausea inducing.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't see what's so bad about Episodes 1-3, sure they are no where near as good as the origional trilogy. But they are still enjoyable films in their own right. The dialog might be a little silly at times, and Jar Jar is annoying (but was a good character for kids to laugh at), but overall I enjoyed them. I don't get the hate.

Looking forward to the new trilogy. Can't wait! Won't top the orgional trilogy though, I don't think anything ever will. Closest thing that came close to doing it was Lord of The Rings, which is my favorite modern day film series. But still it can't touch the orgional Star Wars trilogy.

wis3boi

the plot devices and characters have the integrity of swiss cheese, not to mention the dialogue is nausea inducing.

I think people are just being overly nitpicky and jumping on the band wagon. I thought they were good films, certainly much better than most of the crap they come out with now.

Does anyone like Indiana Jones more than Star Wars? For the... fourth... ti... me

It's a shame when an artist is ridiculed for making changes to their own work. Wow. Just wow.BluRayHiDef

Its becuase he acts like every reedit is the new official version, and the others don't exist.

The others that defined and altered pop-culture & cinema history, and became an ingrained aspect to millions of people's childhoods.

Its like if MGM decided to only release reedits of The Wizard of oz with CGI monkeys.

Apparently, God exists, and is one evil bastard.

I hope they don't feel restricted due to the EU. They should just do what feels right.

so much of EU crap is overly convoluted and completely devoid of the spirit of the original films. Some of it is fun butit is essentially fan fiction.

If Disney is working on Star Wars Episode VII, these could be signs that the end of the world could be happening I'm kidding on that part but I'm curious to know how well Disney will pull it of.

People should be thrilled about this. Fans have been begging for the film to be out of Lucas' hands for a decade now.

Pirate700

I agree, I myself am thrilled. Unless Disney does something like disregard the EU canon in it's entirety, then I don't see how this isn't a good thing. Lucas has been running the franchise into the ground for ages now. This will hopefully get us new movies, instead of uber milkage of the old ones, hopefully they'll get someone competent to help get Lucasarts in check, and allow 3rd party devs to once again make games. Got my fingers crossed that we'll finally get Battlefront III.

Question would be where they'll start with movies, especially if they aim to do potentionally a ton of them. Old Republic? Spin-offs? EU, and if so, where? Movie wise, I've always been of the Opinion that the Thrawn Trilogy or Jedi Academy Trilogy would make good trilogies, and be good places to start in the EU.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't see what's so bad about Episodes 1-3, sure they are no where near as good as the origional trilogy. But they are still enjoyable films in their own right. The dialog might be a little silly at times, and Jar Jar is annoying (but was a good character for kids to laugh at), but overall I enjoyed them. I don't get the hate.

Looking forward to the new trilogy. Can't wait! Won't top the orgional trilogy though, I don't think anything ever will. Closest thing that came close to doing it was Lord of The Rings, which is my favorite modern day film series. But still it can't touch the orgional Star Wars trilogy.

ShadowMoses900

the plot devices and characters have the integrity of swiss cheese, not to mention the dialogue is nausea inducing.

I think people are just being overly nitpicky and jumping on the band wagon. I thought they were good films, certainly much better than most of the crap they come out with now.

I might suggest you watch red letter media's reviews on the prequels. Episode 1 especially is a disaster in the writing department

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

the plot devices and characters have the integrity of swiss cheese, not to mention the dialogue is nausea inducing.

wis3boi

I think people are just being overly nitpicky and jumping on the band wagon. I thought they were good films, certainly much better than most of the crap they come out with now.

I might suggest you watch red letter media's reviews on the prequels. Episode 1 especially is a disaster in the writing department

Wouldn't have minded a spin off i.e. 'Star Wars [Enter_spin_off_sub-title_here] Episode I'

Tacking an extra three episodes onto the original 6 seems pointless. Those 6 stories were specifically about Anakin and it came full circle and ended nicely. Adding extra films to that storyline just makes it feel less complete and destroys the resolution in VI.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

the plot devices and characters have the integrity of swiss cheese, not to mention the dialogue is nausea inducing.

wis3boi

I think people are just being overly nitpicky and jumping on the band wagon. I thought they were good films, certainly much better than most of the crap they come out with now.

I might suggest you watch red letter media's reviews on the prequels. Episode 1 especially is a disaster in the writing department

I like some of the prequels. Besides Attack of the Clones, I hated that.

I thought the Darth Maul duel was perhaps the best duel in the entire saga. I also thought Darth Maul himself was an excellent creation.

Revenge of the Sith was a fantastic film all round in my opinion, yes the acting was a little off from Hayden and some lines were a little poorly written but overall it was a great movie.

I hated the prequels before hating was popular. =PAllicrombie

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I think people are just being overly nitpicky and jumping on the band wagon. I thought they were good films, certainly much better than most of the crap they come out with now.

HyperWarlock

I might suggest you watch red letter media's reviews on the prequels. Episode 1 especially is a disaster in the writing department

I like some of the prequels. Besides Attack of the Clones, I hated that.

I thought the Darth Maul duel was perhaps the best duel in the entire saga. I also thought Darth Maul himself was an excellent creation.

Revenge of the Sith was a fantastic film all round in my opinion, yes the acting was a little off from Hayden and some lines were a little poorly written but overall it was a great movie.

Maul was a beacon of hope in Episode 1 for me...then he died :( I liked his style

The people who proclaim the prequels to be horrible tend to be the same people who act like entitled douches. They happen to be doing the same thing there. Sorry people who have said it here, but its true. They are good movies. Not great by any standards, but enjoyable and not horrible. Its like the morons who proclaim Dragon Age 2 to be horrible because it doesn't live up to the expectations that Dragon Age: Origins set. The prequels are still good, they just aren't the originals. Some people don't know how to cope with that.

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

George Lucas neither wrote nor directed Empire Strikes Back, and did not direct Return of the Jedi, what right does he have to alter them? Look I have no problem with Lucas making changes to the films, what I do have a problem with thought is altering the films and not making the original versions available. That is destroying art and cultural history.

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

I might suggest you watch red letter media's reviews on the prequels. Episode 1 especially is a disaster in the writing department

wis3boi

I like some of the prequels. Besides Attack of the Clones, I hated that.

I thought the Darth Maul duel was perhaps the best duel in the entire saga. I also thought Darth Maul himself was an excellent creation.

Revenge of the Sith was a fantastic film all round in my opinion, yes the acting was a little off from Hayden and some lines were a little poorly written but overall it was a great movie.

Maul was a beacon of hope in Episode 1 for me...then he died :( I liked his style

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[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

I like some of the prequels. Besides Attack of the Clones, I hated that.

I thought the Darth Maul duel was perhaps the best duel in the entire saga. I also thought Darth Maul himself was an excellent creation.

Revenge of the Sith was a fantastic film all round in my opinion, yes the acting was a little off from Hayden and some lines were a little poorly written but overall it was a great movie.

mitu123

Maul was a beacon of hope in Episode 1 for me...then he died :( I liked his style

The less dialogue in a George Lucas film the better :P

Does anyone like Indiana Jones more than Star Wars? For the... fourth... ti... me

brucewayne69

I think you are missunderstanding what I am saying. If Lucas releases the films on Blu-Ray the original theatrical cuts of the film should be released on Blu-Ray as well. Perhaps an even larger problem is that the Original Theatrical cuts were only once released on DVD, and those DVD's are now out of print and the films that were present on said DVD's were laserdisc rips, they were not original master transfers so the quality was horrible.DarkGamer007

The Star Wars mythos is pretty meh.

I'd prefer an epic sci-fi trilogy instead. But then again I did enjoy A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back quite a bit.

Does anyone like Indiana Jones more than Star Wars? For the... fourth... ti... me

brucewayne69

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

I like some of the prequels. Besides Attack of the Clones, I hated that.

I thought the Darth Maul duel was perhaps the best duel in the entire saga. I also thought Darth Maul himself was an excellent creation.

Revenge of the Sith was a fantastic film all round in my opinion, yes the acting was a little off from Hayden and some lines were a little poorly written but overall it was a great movie.

mitu123

Maul was a beacon of hope in Episode 1 for me...then he died :( I liked his style

The Darth Maul duel, like all prequel duels, only amused me when I first saw them. Now being older and understanding more about film, they just seem boring, flat and overly choreographed. Any duel in the original trilogy is much more interesting than the Maul duel in my opinion, solely because they had properly built the characters involved and they carried emotional weight. In the Maul duel we see 2 jedi we know very little about fighting an enemy that we know nothing about while fighting perfect flowing combat in an area that doesnt even make any sense. Just so meh.

At least it'll be better than the prequel trilogy.Laihendi

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]I think you are missunderstanding what I am saying. If Lucas releases the films on Blu-Ray the original theatrical cuts of the film should be released on Blu-Ray as well. Perhaps an even larger problem is that the Original Theatrical cuts were only once released on DVD, and those DVD's are now out of print and the films that were present on said DVD's were laserdisc rips, they were not original master transfers so the quality was horrible.MrGeezer

George Lucas believes it is not only an obligation, but something of the up most importance to preserve film.

"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as when life begins or when it should be appropriately terminated, but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.

These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with fresher faces, or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actors lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new original negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be replaced by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten."-George Lucas 1988.

I don't see what's so bad about Episodes 1-3ShadowMoses900

Ep1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

Ep2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA

Ep3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1MqksXm6Zs

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't see what's so bad about Episodes 1-3Darth_Kane

Ep1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

Ep2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA

Ep3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1MqksXm6Zs

This guy sums it up pretty well, although I don't agree with some points he makes. Usually he covers all the loopholes in the story but sometimes he just nit-picks. Especially in the Episode III one. His reviews of 1 and 2 are pretty spot on.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't see what's so bad about Episodes 1-3Crypt_mx

Ep1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

Ep2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA

Ep3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1MqksXm6Zs

This guy sums it up pretty well, although I don't agree with some points he makes. Usually he covers all the loopholes in the story but sometimes he just nit-picks. Especially in the Episode III one. His reviews of 1 and 2 are pretty spot on.

[QUOTE="Darth_Kane"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't see what's so bad about Episodes 1-3Crypt_mx

Ep1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

Ep2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA

Ep3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1MqksXm6Zs

This guy sums it up pretty well, although I don't agree with some points he makes. Usually he covers all the loopholes in the story but sometimes he just nit-picks. Especially in the Episode III one. His reviews of 1 and 2 are pretty spot on.

I actually think he overly nit-picks in only Episode 1. I'm one of those weird people that think Episode 1 was by far the best of the prequels (with Episode 2 being by far the worst)

[QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]

[QUOTE="Darth_Kane"]

Ep1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

Ep2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA

Ep3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1MqksXm6Zs

Heirren

This guy sums it up pretty well, although I don't agree with some points he makes. Usually he covers all the loopholes in the story but sometimes he just nit-picks. Especially in the Episode III one. His reviews of 1 and 2 are pretty spot on.

They arent dumb at all. Even though the guy acts silly for the sake of making it interesting, he really understands film and how things should be shot and how stories work.

Here's some examples:

Why is the trade federation blocking trade? Isn't that how they make their money through the taxation of trade routes?

Why are they listening to this hooded man on a hologram, what the hell is he offering them? He's just a political figure he doesnt have THAT much money to bribe them with

Why does the trade federation have an army?

Why does naboo need trade so badly? Their planet could function flawlessly without it.

How does the droid at the start know obi wan and qui gon are jedi knights? wouldnt killing them cause the rest of the senate to go after them? if they had died word would have gotten back that the trade federation is killing people and theyd all be arrested.

Wouldnt forcing the Queen of naboo to sign a treaty be illegal anyway? you cant force someone to sign something!

Those are a few quick points. While they are explained in the books and other material, people shouldnt have to read them to enjoy the movie!

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]

This guy sums it up pretty well, although I don't agree with some points he makes. Usually he covers all the loopholes in the story but sometimes he just nit-picks. Especially in the Episode III one. His reviews of 1 and 2 are pretty spot on.

Crypt_mx

They arent dumb at all. Even though the guy acts silly for the sake of making it interesting, he really understands film and how things should be shot and how stories work.

Here's some examples:

Why is the trade federation blocking trade? Isn't that how they make their money through the taxation of trade routes?

Why are they listening to this hooded man on a hologram, what the hell is he offering them? He's just a political figure he doesnt have THAT much money to bribe them with

Why does the trade federation have an army?

Why does naboo need trade so badly? Their planet could function flawlessly without it.

How does the droid at the start know obi wan and qui gon are jedi knights? wouldnt killing them cause the rest of the senate to go after them? if they had died word would have gotten back that the trade federation is killing people and theyd all be arrested.

Wouldnt forcing the Queen of naboo to sign a treaty be illegal anyway? you cant force someone to sign something!

Those are a few quick points. While they are explained in the books and other material, people shouldnt have to read them to enjoy the movie!

don't forget they could forge the signature to start off with

Well I'm happy I get to look forward to a new Star Wars trilogy, but with them saying the first will come in 2015 I'm also fearful. That's not really a lot of time to prepare a script, filming, and what will probably be a lot of post production.

George Lucas believes it is not only an obligation, but something of the up most importance to preserve film.

"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as when life begins or when it should be appropriately terminated, but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.

These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with fresher faces, or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actors lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new original negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be replaced by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten."-George Lucas 1988.

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]

This guy sums it up pretty well, although I don't agree with some points he makes. Usually he covers all the loopholes in the story but sometimes he just nit-picks. Especially in the Episode III one. His reviews of 1 and 2 are pretty spot on.

Crypt_mx

They arent dumb at all. Even though the guy acts silly for the sake of making it interesting, he really understands film and how things should be shot and how stories work.

Here's some examples:

Why is the trade federation blocking trade? Isn't that how they make their money through the taxation of trade routes?

Why are they listening to this hooded man on a hologram, what the hell is he offering them? He's just a political figure he doesnt have THAT much money to bribe them with

Why does the trade federation have an army?

Why does naboo need trade so badly? Their planet could function flawlessly without it.

How does the droid at the start know obi wan and qui gon are jedi knights? wouldnt killing them cause the rest of the senate to go after them? if they had died word would have gotten back that the trade federation is killing people and theyd all be arrested.

Wouldnt forcing the Queen of naboo to sign a treaty be illegal anyway? you cant force someone to sign something!

Those are a few quick points. While they are explained in the books and other material, people shouldnt have to read them to enjoy the movie!

[QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] You guys are nuts. Everybody I've shown this to thinks the guy is just plain dumb.Heirren

They arent dumb at all. Even though the guy acts silly for the sake of making it interesting, he really understands film and how things should be shot and how stories work.

Here's some examples:

Why is the trade federation blocking trade? Isn't that how they make their money through the taxation of trade routes?

Why are they listening to this hooded man on a hologram, what the hell is he offering them? He's just a political figure he doesnt have THAT much money to bribe them with

Why does the trade federation have an army?

Why does naboo need trade so badly? Their planet could function flawlessly without it.

How does the droid at the start know obi wan and qui gon are jedi knights? wouldnt killing them cause the rest of the senate to go after them? if they had died word would have gotten back that the trade federation is killing people and theyd all be arrested.

Wouldnt forcing the Queen of naboo to sign a treaty be illegal anyway? you cant force someone to sign something!

Those are a few quick points. While they are explained in the books and other material, people shouldnt have to read them to enjoy the movie!

How about you actually try and defend the movie yourself? I'm not going to read 100 pages of why some guy online thinks the review is wrong.

I think he is correct, and even prior to watching the reviews I had similar questions about the plot already. In short, Episode 1 is the ultimate failing of a film.

-No interesting characters

-Plot makes no sense

-Laughable acting and boring dialogue

-Boring, overly political tone

And it's sad because Star Wars is supposed to be all about the story and the characters and its just not. At least Episode II and III actually have more sense in the plots, but that doesn't excuse the still bad writing and lifeless feel of the movies. Anyone who likes a prequel more than a film from the original trilogy is either:

-Too young

-Easily impressed by visual effects and action

-Doesn't understand Star Wars

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]

They arent dumb at all. Even though the guy acts silly for the sake of making it interesting, he really understands film and how things should be shot and how stories work.

Here's some examples:

Why is the trade federation blocking trade? Isn't that how they make their money through the taxation of trade routes?

Why are they listening to this hooded man on a hologram, what the hell is he offering them? He's just a political figure he doesnt have THAT much money to bribe them with

Why does the trade federation have an army?

Why does naboo need trade so badly? Their planet could function flawlessly without it.

How does the droid at the start know obi wan and qui gon are jedi knights? wouldnt killing them cause the rest of the senate to go after them? if they had died word would have gotten back that the trade federation is killing people and theyd all be arrested.

Wouldnt forcing the Queen of naboo to sign a treaty be illegal anyway? you cant force someone to sign something!

Those are a few quick points. While they are explained in the books and other material, people shouldnt have to read them to enjoy the movie!

Crypt_mx

How about you actually try and defend the movie yourself? I'm not going to read 100 pages of why some guy online thinks the review is wrong.

I think he is correct, and even prior to watching the reviews I had similar questions about the plot already. In short, Episode 1 is the ultimate failing of a film.

-No interesting characters

-Plot makes no sense

-Laughable acting and boring dialogue

-Boring, overly political tone

And it's sad because Star Wars is supposed to be all about the story and the characters and its just not. At least Episode II and III actually have more sense in the plots, but that doesn't excuse the still bad writing and lifeless feel of the movies. Anyone who likes a prequel more than a film from the original trilogy is either:

-Too young

-Easily impressed by visual effects and action

-Doesn't understand Star Wars

How about you actually try and defend the movie yourself? I'm not going to read 100 pages of why some guy online thinks the review is wrong.

I think he is correct, and even prior to watching the reviews I had similar questions about the plot already. In short, Episode 1 is the ultimate failing of a film.

-No interesting characters

-Plot makes no sense

-Laughable acting and boring dialogue

-Boring, overly political tone

And it's sad because Star Wars is supposed to be all about the story and the characters and its just not. At least Episode II and III actually have more sense in the plots, but that doesn't excuse the still bad writing and lifeless feel of the movies. Anyone who likes a prequel more than a film from the original trilogy is either:

-Too young

-Easily impressed by visual effects and action

-Doesn't understand Star Wars

Crypt_mx

How about you actually try and defend the movie yourself? I'm not going to read 100 pages of why some guy online thinks the review is wrong.Crypt_mx

Maybe I misread or have a bad memory about this, but weren't you the one who made your argument out of a set of bullet points from someone else's review?

If he had bullet-pointed some parts of this critique of the review he referenced (which which he presumably agreed), would you be satisfied?

I hope they will be good but I am skeptical considering the quality of star wars movies released after the first 3. They were ok but didn't hold a candle to the originals.

How about you actually try and defend the movie yourself? I'm not going to read 100 pages of why some guy online thinks the review is wrong.

I think he is correct, and even prior to watching the reviews I had similar questions about the plot already. In short, Episode 1 is the ultimate failing of a film.

-No interesting characters

-Plot makes no sense

-Laughable acting and boring dialogue

-Boring, overly political tone

And it's sad because Star Wars is supposed to be all about the story and the characters and its just not. At least Episode II and III actually have more sense in the plots, but that doesn't excuse the still bad writing and lifeless feel of the movies. Anyone who likes a prequel more than a film from the original trilogy is either:

-Too young

-Easily impressed by visual effects and action

-Doesn't understand Star Wars

Crypt_mx

[QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]How about you actually try and defend the movie yourself? I'm not going to read 100 pages of why some guy online thinks the review is wrong.m0zart

Maybe I misread or have a bad memory about this, but weren't you the one who made your argument out of a set of bullet points from someone else's review?

If he had bullet-pointed some parts of this critique of the review he referenced (which which he presumably agreed), would you be satisfied?