Stephen Hawking says afterlife is a fairytale...

He never claimed it as a fact.... Howcome intelligent people can't state their opinions anymore?Nibroc420

He said something like its for people who are afraid of the dark. The dark is something that 5 year olds are afraid of, so of course people would be upset. He is entitled to his opinion, but to add an insult like that is wrong.

Also, he brought up computers, but computers arent living breathing human beings.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

Well the only things that are keeping me here is my enjoyment for things like video games or hanging out with friends, I don't care about having people remember me or things like that, I don't really care about going to college or waste my time working 8 hours a day for everyday of my life. I mean if theres no afterlife then why should I bother doing anything that is boring?? People might think it's stupid but seriously whats the point of wasting your time doing these things and trying to be such a great person if none of this matters when we die, pointless.

joshrocks2245

Why would it matter if there were an afterlife?

Because if there was one I could do all that stuff, like go to college and have a family and then I could celebrate what I did here in the afterlife, and I would celebrate the good things I did and that would pay off in the afterlife. Thats why it matters, I could do all the boring stuff on this life and then have a great afterlife.

Why would you need an afterlife to celebrate what you do here?

If it's good, then why is it not good without an afterlife?

And if it's not good, then why is it worthy of celebration?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]He never claimed it as a fact.... Howcome intelligent people can't state their opinions anymore?gaming25

He said something like its for people who are afraid of the dark. The dark is something that 5 year olds are afraid of, so of course people would be upset. He is entitled to his opinion, but to add an insult like that is wrong.

Also, he brought up computers, but computers arent living breathing human beings.

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Why would it matter if there were an afterlife?

GabuEx

Because if there was one I could do all that stuff, like go to college and have a family and then I could celebrate what I did here in the afterlife, and I would celebrate the good things I did and that would pay off in the afterlife. Thats why it matters, I could do all the boring stuff on this life and then have a great afterlife.

Why would you need an afterlife to celebrate what you do here?

If it's good, then why is it not good without an afterlife?

And if it's not good, then why is it worthy of celebration?

In my opinion it could be kind of good if I like went to college and made a family, I just consider that more worthy of celebration then celebrating playing games all day and partying with friends.

I would like an afterlife so I could do that stuff here and then just have a fun afterlife, and I would be proud when I am dead and in the afterlife because I created a family and did all that. If there is an afterlife though and all I did was play lots of games and party quite a lot, then I don't really consider that to be something to be proud of in the afterlife.

I agree 100% with that

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]He never claimed it as a fact.... Howcome intelligent people can't state their opinions anymore?scorch-62

He said something like its for people who are afraid of the dark. The dark is something that 5 year olds are afraid of, so of course people would be upset. He is entitled to his opinion, but to add an insult like that is wrong.

Also, he brought up computers, but computers arent living breathing human beings.

But still, computers arent alive so what he said still isnt comparable.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]He never claimed it as a fact.... Howcome intelligent people can't state their opinions anymore?gaming25

He said something like its for people who are afraid of the dark. The dark is something that 5 year olds are afraid of, so of course people would be upset. He is entitled to his opinion, but to add an insult like that is wrong.

Also, he brought up computers, but computers arent living breathing human beings.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

Because if there was one I could do all that stuff, like go to college and have a family and then I could celebrate what I did here in the afterlife, and I would celebrate the good things I did and that would pay off in the afterlife. Thats why it matters, I could do all the boring stuff on this life and then have a great afterlife.

joshrocks2245

Why would you need an afterlife to celebrate what you do here?

If it's good, then why is it not good without an afterlife?

And if it's not good, then why is it worthy of celebration?

In my opinion it could be kind of good if I like went to college and made a family, I just consider that more worthy of celebration then celebrating playing games all day and partying with friends.

I would like an afterlife so I could do that stuff here and then just have a fun afterlife, and I would be proud when I am dead and in the afterlife because I created a family and did all that. If there is an afterlife though and all I did was play lots of games and party quite a lot, then I don't really consider that to be something to be proud of in the afterlife.

Yeah, but that's the thing. You seem to be saying that if there were an afterlife, then you'd do "boring stuff" here, celebrate it for some reason in the afterlife even though it seems like you don't really want to do it, and then do in the afterlife what you really want to be doing here, even though you assert it wouldn't be something to be proud of.

I don't think I follow the logic here.

i think is kinda sad people need to "celebrate" stuff they did here in the afterlife, if you have a good life why not just enjoy it here? heaven or hell is what you make your life to be here, there is no maghical second chances

But still, computers arent living people.gaming25

when it comes down to it, we are biological computers. we store data and produce various functions. In many ways, we are more complex than computers. but still, the analogy holds. once our brains shut down, our ability to store information and process data is gone forever. game over.

While I agree with him, he is a computer so what does her know? Hmph.

He never claimed it as a fact.... Howcome intelligent people can't state their opinions anymore?Nibroc420

He said something like its for people who are afraid of the dark. The dark is something that 5 year olds are afraid of, so of course people would be upset. He is entitled to his opinion, but to add an insult like that is wrong.

Also, he brought up computers, but computers arent living breathing human beings.

I can't wait for Stephen Colbert's next instalment of "Stephen Hawking is such an A-Hole". :lol:

But still, computers arent alive so what he said still isnt comparable.gaming25

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="gaming25"]

He said something like its for people who are afraid of the dark. The dark is something that 5 year olds are afraid of, so of course people would be upset. He is entitled to his opinion, but to add an insult like that is wrong.

Also, he brought up computers, but computers arent living breathing human beings.

gaming25

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] They're metaphors. Like a 5 year old who is scared of the monsters under their bed, many people are scared of what happens after death. They then rely on god as a way to feel safe, and secure so they dont have to dwell on possibilities, rather they believe that so long as they are good human beings they will be eternally happy after death. All hawking is saying is that WE DO NOT KNOW what happens after death, and some people rely on religion as a form of comfort. He personally believes that like a computer, once electricity stops moving around in our brain, thats it, darkness, game over. It's not insulting at all.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="gaming25"]

He said something like its for people who are afraid of the dark. The dark is something that 5 year olds are afraid of, so of course people would be upset. He is entitled to his opinion, but to add an insult like that is wrong.

Also, he brought up computers, but computers arent living breathing human beings.

gaming25

The computer thing was a metaphor. . .scorch-62

But still, computers arent alive so what he said still isnt comparable.

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Why would you need an afterlife to celebrate what you do here?

If it's good, then why is it not good without an afterlife?

And if it's not good, then why is it worthy of celebration?

GabuEx

In my opinion it could be kind of good if I like went to college and made a family, I just consider that more worthy of celebration then celebrating playing games all day and partying with friends.

I would like an afterlife so I could do that stuff here and then just have a fun afterlife, and I would be proud when I am dead and in the afterlife because I created a family and did all that. If there is an afterlife though and all I did was play lots of games and party quite a lot, then I don't really consider that to be something to be proud of in the afterlife.

Yeah, but that's the thing. You seem to be saying that if there were an afterlife, then you'd do "boring stuff" here, celebrate it for some reason in the afterlife even though it seems like you don't really want to do it, and then do in the afterlife what you really want to be doing here, even though you assert it wouldn't be something to be proud of.

I don't think I follow the logic here.

I'll explain it better.

If I really knew there was an afterlife then I would try to get a job and make a family, I wouldn't really consider having a family boring but I would consider going to college and then working like 8 hours a day behind a desk boring. I would do that though so in the afterlife I could feel like I actually accomplished something in this earth, like I went to college and got a job where I made lots of money and accomplished a lot in life.

If theres not an afterlife though I don't see the point of trying to get a job and work hard and accomplish a lot, I would have felt I wasted my life because like theres not an afterlife and I would have felt like I wasted all my time. If there was an afterlife I feel I could just work and have a family and do things with them cause I would have more time when I die.

I hope that makes a little more sense lol.

Because if there was one I could do all that stuff, like go to college and have a family and then I could celebrate what I did here in the afterlife, and I would celebrate the good things I did and that would pay off in the afterlife. Thats why it matters, I could do all the boring stuff on this life and then have a great afterlife.joshrocks2245

hes been saying this for a while, and I still do not agree with him. I have little respect for a man that pushes atheism like he does...

people have opinions good and bad but when people like him treat those that have different opinions as inferior shows just a shallow person at heart

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="gaming25"]

But still, computers arent alive so what he said still isnt comparable.

gaming25

I don't think you know what metaphors are...

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] People believe there is an afterlife for reasons other than being "afraid of the dark". Him making a generalization of that is insulting as well.gaming25

Why is his opinion being valued in this matter to be reported? sSubZerOo

My point is that computers have never "lived" to begin with.gaming25

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] That's why it's a metaphor.DigitalExile

I don't think you know what metaphors are...

[QUOTE="gaming25"]My point is that computers have never "lived" to begin with.scorch-62

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] :roll: He's not trying to be insulting, you're just twisting it so you can feel insulted. If you honestly feel so insulted, maybe you should re-think some things.

Nibroc420

Its still a generalization. Even if he was referring to the "unknowns" of the world.

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]Because if there was one I could do all that stuff, like go to college and have a family and then I could celebrate what I did here in the afterlife, and I would celebrate the good things I did and that would pay off in the afterlife. Thats why it matters, I could do all the boring stuff on this life and then have a great afterlife.foxhound_fox

Well I would take advantage of what I have here but I just don't see a point if theres no more time when I die, I see everyone trying to hard to go to college, to try and get a job, to try and get a girlfriend, I just don't get why people do this if theres not gonna be more time when you die. It has never made sense to me and it never will, I just try to enjoy my life doing things I prefer instead of trying to make everything perfect and have a boring life cause we're only here for a short while and then we just don't go anywhere when we die.

I still kind of believe in the afterlife I'm just not 100% sure of one so thats why I'm saying this stuff.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="gaming25"] Was it not a generalization?gaming25

Its still a generalization. Even if he was referring to the "unknowns" of the world.

Generalizations aren't always negative, if you want to take a statement someone says out of context so you can feel insulted about it... Thats your choice. But it doesn't make too much sense to do so.

Hawking was just saying what he believed, if you believe differently thats your choice.

Why do you think he used that metaphor, why didnt he used a living breathing organism? Its probably because its a machine that we all know "shuts down" because it isnt living, which is why it was a poor metaphor to use.

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

No, it wasn't, the "dark" is all the unknowns of the world. At one point the weather was attributed to "Angry gods" and it was a bad omen. Now we know it has nothing to do with zeus or thor, and so there's nothing bad about a bit of thunder. If you find that insulting, maybe you should read this... But in 2010, Hawking told Diane Sawyer that "science will win" in a battle with religion "because it works." Truth hurts bro.Nibroc420

Its still a generalization. Even if he was referring to the "unknowns" of the world.

Generalizations aren't always negative, if you want to take a statement someone says out of context so you can feel insulted about it... Thats your choice. But it doesn't make too much sense to do so.

Hawking was just saying what he believed, if you believe differently thats your choice.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

In my opinion it could be kind of good if I like went to college and made a family, I just consider that more worthy of celebration then celebrating playing games all day and partying with friends.

I would like an afterlife so I could do that stuff here and then just have a fun afterlife, and I would be proud when I am dead and in the afterlife because I created a family and did all that. If there is an afterlife though and all I did was play lots of games and party quite a lot, then I don't really consider that to be something to be proud of in the afterlife.

joshrocks2245

Yeah, but that's the thing. You seem to be saying that if there were an afterlife, then you'd do "boring stuff" here, celebrate it for some reason in the afterlife even though it seems like you don't really want to do it, and then do in the afterlife what you really want to be doing here, even though you assert it wouldn't be something to be proud of.

I don't think I follow the logic here.

I'll explain it better.

If I really knew there was an afterlife then I would try to get a job and make a family, I wouldn't really consider having a family boring but I would consider going to college and then working like 8 hours a day behind a desk boring. I would do that though so in the afterlife I could feel like I actually accomplished something in this earth, like I went to college and got a job where I made lots of money and accomplished a lot in life.

If theres not an afterlife though I don't see the point of trying to get a job and work hard and accomplish a lot, I would have felt I wasted my life because like theres not an afterlife and I would have felt like I wasted all my time. If there was an afterlife I feel I could just work and have a family and do things with them cause I would have more time when I die.

I hope that makes a little more sense lol.

But if in the afterlife you'd want to do the things you're currently doing on Earth... why not just do them on Earth?

Your whole motivation to get a job and make a family seems to be just that that's socially acceptable, not because you actually see value in it.

Why do you think he used that metaphor, why didnt he used a living breathing organism? Its probably because its a machine that we all know "shuts down" because it isnt living, which is why it was a poor metaphor to use.gaming25

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] And my point is that that's exactly why it's a metaphor."Metaphors are comparisons that show how two things that are not alike in most ways are similar in one important way."gaming25

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

I hate when people try to prove there is no afterlife, why would you even want to try and do that?? I mean if there was no afterlife then why are we even here?? If there is no afterlife then we shouldn't be smart enough to question if there is an afterlife. I believe there is some sort of an afterlife, I just really hate when people try to make it seem like there isn't one "Yeah your here for 80 years but when you die you don't go anywhere" seems like such a waste to even do anything if theres no afterlife.

foxhound_fox

Being religious, the bolded is what I believe in as well.

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] My point is that computers have never "lived" to begin with.gaming25

I don't think you know what metaphors are...

no it wasn't, only in your eyes because it contradicts what you believe and proceed to discard it with baseless statements, like every religion out there.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] But computers were never alive 8)Nibroc420

They're metaphors.

Like a 5 year old who is scared of the monsters under their bed, many people are scared of what happens after death. They then rely on god as a way to feel safe, and secure so they dont have to dwell on possibilities, rather they believe that so long as they are good human beings they will be eternally happy after death. All hawking is saying is that WE DO NOT KNOW what happens after death, and some people rely on religion as a form of comfort. He personally believes that like a computer, once electricity stops moving around in our brain, thats it, darkness, game over.

It's not insulting at all.

Nibroc420

And if one's religion says we burn for eternity no matter who you are, what would be the incentive in following such a religion? It's not comforting and it doesn't make you feel safe.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="gaming25"] Why do you think he used that metaphor, why didnt he used a living breathing organism? Its probably because its a machine that we all know "shuts down" because it isnt living, which is why it was a poor metaphor to use.gaming25

And if one's religion says we burn for eternity no matter who you are, what would be the incentive in following such a religion? Necrifer

There is no such religion.
There is either a place for good people, and a place for bad people.
Nothingness. or Reincarnation.
As least as far as i know of.

Nibroc420

That's wrong. Religions can be based off anything.

So, I ask again. What would be the incentive for believing in such a religion?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

There is no such religion.
There is either a place for good people, and a place for bad people.
Nothingness. or Reincarnation.
As least as far as i know of.

Necrifer

That's wrong. Religions can be based off anything.

So, I ask again. What would be the incentive for believing in such a religion?

I dont think there's a religion where the afterlife is a 100% definitive "burn forever" even for believers.

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

There is no such religion.
There is either a place for good people, and a place for bad people.
Nothingness. or Reincarnation.
As least as far as i know of.

Nibroc420

That's wrong. Religions can be based off anything.

So, I ask again. What would be the incentive for believing in such a religion?

I dont think there's a religion where the afterlife is a 100% definitive "burn forever" even for believers.

The Cult of Cthulhu comes pretty close. :P

Wrong Cults can be based off anything.

I dont think there's a religion where the afterlife is a 100% definitive "burn forever" even for believers.

Nibroc420

Cults are a form of religious worship...

Anyway, Ancient Greek. It wasn't 'forever' because you would eventually fade into nothing, but you still suffered for a long time.