SWAT team busts into house and kills 2 puppies over a gram of weed

[QUOTE="Got_to_go"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]

I don't see the dogs dying as a tragedy at all. I'm more worried about the traumatized kid. It seems though that OT value the lives of animals over the lives of humans.

Just look at some of the responses in this topic http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27304825

Shottayouth13-

Hey I linked to that topic first! I want a medal. :evil:

I'm a trendsetter! I deserve recognition! After I posted that link, it was posted another two times! I was posting the link before it was cool.

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="Got_to_go"]

Hey I linked to that topic first! I want a medal. :evil:

Got_to_go

I'm a trendsetter! I deserve recognition! After I posted that link, it was posted another two times! I was posting the link before it was cool.

Oh sue me :twisted:

I was the one that gave the link recognition!

This is why weed should be legalized. If you replaced that gram of weed with cigarettes or alcohol, everyone would be in an uproar.

xionvalkyrie

As has been stated numerous times, this HAD to be the result of bad intel. They did NOT perform this operation because of a gram of marijuana. They clearly got bad intel (or the family got rid of their stash before the raid), because there is no way in HELL that a SWAT team is going to raid a house for a gram of weed.

Hell, suppose it wasn't weed. Suppose it was a small amount of heroin or methamphetamine. Would that have made the raid justified just because we're talking about a worse drug? If the EXACT same situation had happened, with the only difference being that they only recovered one syringe filled with heroin, would THAT have justified the SWAT team barging in, shooting the dogs, and traumatizing the children? Would that be an argument for heroin being legalized?

What do you mean, "if they replaced that gram of weed with cigarettes or alcohol"? If they KNEW that all they'd find was cigarettes and alcohol, then the raid never would have happened. If they KNEW that all they'd find is a gram of marijuana, then this raid never would have happened. And if they KNEW that all they'd find was a tiny amount of heroin or methamphetamines or crack cocaine, then this raid never would have happened. How in the hell does that somehow become an argument for the legalization of marijuana? If all they'd found was a tiny amount of crack, would that be a valid argument for the legalization of crack cocaine?

And people like the police? I have been saying for a while now they are corrupt idiots (for the most part).optiow

"Corrupt"?

Look, it's one thing for a beat cop to pull you over for speeding, finding a bag of weed, and then asking for a bribe in exchange for not arresting you.

But here we have a SWAT team being issued with a search warrant to raid the house. Where the hell do you get the idea of CORRUPTION? Why was the warrant issued? To collect a gram of marijuana? Was this entire operation done for the sole purpose of shooting the family's dogs? Do you REALLY think that SWAT teams get issued with warrants to raid peoples' homes, for the sole purpose of shooting the family dogs and confiscating trivial amounts of weed?

"Corruption"? Ha! Whether or not they acted appropriately is up for debate, but it sure as hell wasn't "corruption" that led to the SWAT team being used, or the warrant being issued in the first place.

That's nothing. When I was in college, the police broke into a student's dorm room on suspicion that he was selling weed to other students. They shot his roommate in the chest because he was standing in front of the door when they broke in. The student lived, but all the cop got was a paid suspension I think.

topgunmv

God this is ridiculous.

For one thing, no animal that poses a real danger should be getting shot. I seriously doubt that pittbul was "acting aggressively" considering you hear no barking or growling. They just sort of waltz in and shoot almost immediately. Even regardless, a freaking armored S.W.A.T member is not going to be seriously hurt by a freaking pitbull, even if it was aggressive. Then they go and shoot a freaking Corgi? I mean seriously?

I will give them the benefit of the doubt on getting bad intel, but if anything this is just a great example of the wonderful outcomes of a harmless plant like marijuana being illegal. I am no pot smoker but I see absolutely NO REASON as to why the stuff is illegal. As someone who enjoys alcohol, I can tell you that alcohol is FAR MORE dangerous than marijuana could ever hope to be. There would obviously need to be restrictions like with alcohol (mainly no driving while smoking), but legalizing marijuana would help end a butt-load of violence here and it would also be a good opportunity to add loads of tax revenue if the government put a tax on it.

But no, because of the powerful ignorance spread on the subject we will just keep it illegal and turn people into criminals for simply wanting to smoke a leaf and chill out. It is so awesome having the power of the marijuana trade in the hands of gangs who bring violence into something where it doesn't have to be.

Edit: Listening again with the sound higher I DO hear barking before the shots, but even then there was no justifiable reason to shoot a pitbull, even if it was being aggresive. I don't think they used any common sense there though considering I have never come across a dog that DIDN'T bark when people came in the house....

[QUOTE="optiow"]And people like the police? I have been saying for a while now they are corrupt idiots (for the most part).MrGeezer

"Corrupt"?

Look, it's one thing for a beat cop to pull you over for speeding, finding a bag of weed, and then asking for a bribe in exchange for not arresting you.

But here we have a SWAT team being issued with a search warrant to raid the house. Where the hell do you get the idea of CORRUPTION? Why was the warrant issued? To collect a gram of marijuana? Was this entire operation done for the sole purpose of shooting the family's dogs? Do you REALLY think that SWAT teams get issued with warrants to raid peoples' homes, for the sole purpose of shooting the family dogs and confiscating trivial amounts of weed?

"Corruption"? Ha! Whether or not they acted appropriately is up for debate, but it sure as hell wasn't "corruption" that led to the SWAT team being used, or the warrant being issued in the first place.

I agree the actions of the SWAT team may have been inappropriate but as for being corrupt these guys a put in higly stressfull situations even with all the practice in the world it cant suffice to the real thing. Like said these guys were issued a warrent for a reason. Dont forget also the dangers of the drug war in Columbia(seen alot of u missed this) it isnt uncommon for drug cartels there to have automatic weapons so the danger to these guys is very high. Again I anit saying killing of the dogs should be justified or anything. Just feel sorry for those in law enforcment etc who work hard and within reason that get given a bad name cause of the actions of others.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt on getting bad intel, but if anything this is just a great example of the wonderful outcomes of a harmless plant like marijuana being illegal.

LostProphetFLCL

Again, HOW?

If instead of finding a small amount of marijuana they had found a small amount of crack or heroin, would that have somehow made this situation ANY better or worse?

If they got bad intel, and the raid progressed in EXACTLY the same way, and the only "drug" that was found was a bottle of wine, would that have made this situation any better or worse?

Suppose weed gets legalized. How would that STOP things like this from happening? The SWAT team was NOT there to get a gram of weed, they were clearly there because of bad intel, and legalizing weed is NOT going to stop bad intel from resulting in bad decisions. They weren't there for the gram of weed, the gram of weed is completely irrelevant. If we admit that this likely happened because of bad intelligence, then we admit that this same sort of **** can happen to someone who has NO illegal drugs or weapons on the premises.

Legalize weed, and this exact same sort of thing will STILL occasionally happen.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="optiow"]And people like the police? I have been saying for a while now they are corrupt idiots (for the most part).SmokingNate

"Corrupt"?

Look, it's one thing for a beat cop to pull you over for speeding, finding a bag of weed, and then asking for a bribe in exchange for not arresting you.

But here we have a SWAT team being issued with a search warrant to raid the house. Where the hell do you get the idea of CORRUPTION? Why was the warrant issued? To collect a gram of marijuana? Was this entire operation done for the sole purpose of shooting the family's dogs? Do you REALLY think that SWAT teams get issued with warrants to raid peoples' homes, for the sole purpose of shooting the family dogs and confiscating trivial amounts of weed?

"Corruption"? Ha! Whether or not they acted appropriately is up for debate, but it sure as hell wasn't "corruption" that led to the SWAT team being used, or the warrant being issued in the first place.

I agree the actions of the SWAT team may have been inappropriate but as for being corrupt these guys a put in higly stressfull situations even with all the practice in the world it cant suffice to the real thing. Like said these guys were issued a warrent for a reason. Dont forget also the dangers of the drug war in Columbia(seen alot of u missed this) it isnt uncommon for drug cartels there to have automatic weapons so the danger to these guys is very high. Again I anit saying killing of the dogs should be justified or anything. Just feel sorry for those in law enforcment etc who work hard and within reason that get given a bad name cause of the actions of others.

I'm also not saying that the members of the SWAT team acted appropriately when conducting the raid.

Yes, I'm aware that these people get put in highly stressful situations. I understand that, but they need to ****ing deal with it. They voluntarily took the job, and having a stressful job is no excuse for incompetence. If you can't handle the stress, then don't take the job. Yes, I am aware that soldiers and law enforcement officials have to deal with some serious ****. But we should expect a lot from them when they get handed firearms. If they can't cut it without going on a shoot-happy kill-spree, then don't talk to me about the stress. If they can't act appropriately under stress, then they have no ****ing business holding that kind of job.

Now, let me clarifying that I am NOT giving my opinion on whether or not the actions of these people was justifiable. I'm just saying that if they did indeed **** up, then the "stress" of the job isn't an excuse. If you can't deal with the stress, then you shouldn't have the job.

But yes, let's assume for the moment that the raid was conducted inappropriately. That does not in ANY way mean that the people involved were corrupt. I don't know the details of this, but NO ONE is issuing a warrant to conduct this sort of raid over a gram of marijuana. Either the intel was bad, or the family just managed to hide the evidence before they got raided. But apparently, there was cause enough for a warrant to be issued, and cause enough for a ****ing SWAT team to be sent in. The gram of marijuana is ****ing irrelevant. This raid would never have even happened if there wasn't belief that the family who got raided was into some serious ****. The intel might have been bad, the SWAT members might have screwed up when conducting the raid. But to conclude that this raid even being performed is an act of corruption is just silly.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I will give them the benefit of the doubt on getting bad intel, but if anything this is just a great example of the wonderful outcomes of a harmless plant like marijuana being illegal.

MrGeezer

Again, HOW?

If instead of finding a small amount of marijuana they had found a small amount of crack or heroin, would that have somehow made this situation ANY better or worse?

If they got bad intel, and the raid progressed in EXACTLY the same way, and the only "drug" that was found was a bottle of wine, would that have made this situation any better or worse?

Suppose weed gets legalized. How would that STOP things like this from happening? The SWAT team was NOT there to get a gram of weed, they were clearly there because of bad intel, and legalizing weed is NOT going to stop bad intel from resulting in bad decisions. They weren't there for the gram of weed, the gram of weed is completely irrelevant. If we admit that this likely happened because of bad intelligence, then we admit that this same sort of **** can happen to someone who has NO illegal drugs or weapons on the premises.

Legalize weed, and this exact same sort of thing will STILL occasionally happen.

Do you not understand how big the illegal business of Marijuana is? Keeping it illegal simply puts all that power in the hands of drug cartels who bring whole crap-loads of violence about. While I have no numbers or anything, I am guessing marijuana is by far the most common illegal drug. It's illegality simply keeps our government from getting any tax money from it, basically fuels gangs and tons of violence, and it makes smoking weed more dangerous than it should because there are no quality standards so stashes can have stuff in them that shouldn't be there.

And yes I even said I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they had bad intel. From what I understand alot of times if a cop pulls you over and finds a small bag of weed on you they won't even arrest you or fine you for it, but simply confiscate it. Knowing that, I in right mind could never believe they conducted a search just to get some guys bowl.

Now obviously as long as SWAT is around there will be mistakes. My point is something that cannot be denied and that is this particular situation was completely unnecessary and would not have happened had weed been legal like it should be. This is just one example of how this war on weed is ridiculous. Even if the man had a stash of plants like they thought is that still sufficient reason to be storming his house (and I do understand their uncertainty as to what to expect with possible weapons and such)? Is a simple plant like weed really THAT big of a threat to society that we need to crack down on it like this?

Legalize weed and you will see a huge drop in violence. Cartels will lose all their marijuana business which will SERIOUSLY damager their power.

Oh and if you are wondering about my view on other drugs, I am not so much of a proponent for their legalization because those drugs DO seriously destroy peoples lives. The only way weed destroys peoples lives in any shape or form BESIDES any possible accidents caused by people driving while high, is directly due to it's illegalization.

[QUOTE="SmokingNate"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

"Corrupt"?

Look, it's one thing for a beat cop to pull you over for speeding, finding a bag of weed, and then asking for a bribe in exchange for not arresting you.

But here we have a SWAT team being issued with a search warrant to raid the house. Where the hell do you get the idea of CORRUPTION? Why was the warrant issued? To collect a gram of marijuana? Was this entire operation done for the sole purpose of shooting the family's dogs? Do you REALLY think that SWAT teams get issued with warrants to raid peoples' homes, for the sole purpose of shooting the family dogs and confiscating trivial amounts of weed?

"Corruption"? Ha! Whether or not they acted appropriately is up for debate, but it sure as hell wasn't "corruption" that led to the SWAT team being used, or the warrant being issued in the first place.

MrGeezer

I agree the actions of the SWAT team may have been inappropriate but as for being corrupt these guys a put in higly stressfull situations even with all the practice in the world it cant suffice to the real thing. Like said these guys were issued a warrent for a reason. Dont forget also the dangers of the drug war in Columbia(seen alot of u missed this) it isnt uncommon for drug cartels there to have automatic weapons so the danger to these guys is very high. Again I anit saying killing of the dogs should be justified or anything. Just feel sorry for those in law enforcment etc who work hard and within reason that get given a bad name cause of the actions of others.

I'm also not saying that the members of the SWAT team acted appropriately when conducting the raid.

Yes, I'm aware that these people get put in highly stressful situations. I understand that, but they need to ****ing deal with it. They voluntarily took the job, and having a stressful job is no excuse for incompetence. If you can't handle the stress, then don't take the job. Yes, I am aware that soldiers and law enforcement officials have to deal with some serious ****. But we should expect a lot from them when they get handed firearms. If they can't cut it without going on a shoot-happy kill-spree, then don't talk to me about the stress. If they can't act appropriately under stress, then they have no ****ing business holding that kind of job.

Now, let me clarifying that I am NOT giving my opinion on whether or not the actions of these people was justifiable. I'm just saying that if they did indeed **** up, then the "stress" of the job isn't an excuse. If you can't deal with the stress, then you shouldn't have the job.

But yes, let's assume for the moment that the raid was conducted inappropriately. That does not in ANY way mean that the people involved were corrupt. I don't know the details of this, but NO ONE is issuing a warrant to conduct this sort of raid over a gram of marijuana. Either the intel was bad, or the family just managed to hide the evidence before they got raided. But apparently, there was cause enough for a warrant to be issued, and cause enough for a ****ing SWAT team to be sent in. The gram of marijuana is ****ing irrelevant. This raid would never have even happened if there wasn't belief that the family who got raided was into some serious ****. The intel might have been bad, the SWAT members might have screwed up when conducting the raid. But to conclude that this raid even being performed is an act of corruption is just silly.

Yeah I was tryna agree with u, I dont see how the raid could be seen as a corrupt, and like u said they wouldnt conduct that sort of raid over such a small amount of drugs there was obviously a reason that they needed to use a SWAT team but again like u said the intel may have been wrong I was just tryna clearify to people the dangers these guys face fighting the war on drugs in Columbia

God this is ridiculous.

For one thing, no animal that poses a real danger should be getting shot. I seriously doubt that pittbul was "acting aggressively" considering you hear no barking or growling. They just sort of waltz in and shoot almost immediately. Even regardless, a freaking armored S.W.A.T member is not going to be seriously hurt by a freaking pitbull, even if it was aggressive. Then they go and shoot a freaking Corgi? I mean seriously?

I will give them the benefit of the doubt on getting bad intel, but if anything this is just a great example of the wonderful outcomes of a harmless plant like marijuana being illegal. I am no pot smoker but I see absolutely NO REASON as to why the stuff is illegal. As someone who enjoys alcohol, I can tell you that alcohol is FAR MORE dangerous than marijuana could ever hope to be. There would obviously need to be restrictions like with alcohol (mainly no driving while smoking), but legalizing marijuana would help end a butt-load of violence here and it would also be a good opportunity to add loads of tax revenue if the government put a tax on it.

But no, because of the powerful ignorance spread on the subject we will just keep it illegal and turn people into criminals for simply wanting to smoke a leaf and chill out. It is so awesome having the power of the marijuana trade in the hands of gangs who bring violence into something where it doesn't have to be.

Edit: Listening again with the sound higher I DO hear barking before the shots, but even then there was no justifiable reason to shoot a pitbull, even if it was being aggresive. I don't think they used any common sense there though considering I have never come across a dog that DIDN'T bark when people came in the house....

LostProphetFLCL

My point is something that cannot be denied and that is this particular situation was completely unnecessary and would not have happened had weed been legal like it should be.

LostProphetFLCL

How do you figure?

What they FOUND was a small amount of marijuana, which was absolutely NOT what they were looking for.

As in, this whole thing very likely happened because they were looking for something that wasn't there. How is legalizing marijuana going to STOP law enforcement from looking for things that aren't there?

Was the SWAT team looking for huge quantities of marijuana? Well, what about the next time when this kind of incident occurs, and a SWAT team raids a family's home to search for huge quantities of methamphetamines? Is that an argument for legalizing methamphetamine?

What if they were looking for a huge cache of assault weapons and bombs, and only found a single Civil War era rifle? Would the botched job or the fact that a raid was performed in the first place somehow be an argument for unrestricted and unlimited access to all firearms?

Yes, someone likely screwed up royally. How does that screwup lead to the conclusion that marijuana should be legalized? Considering that this seems to be a case of "people looking for something that wasn't there" how is legalizing weed going to somehow STOP SWAT teams from raiding peoples' homes in search of X, only to find that X isn't there?

Is it bad if I was laughing? :(MrLions

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]My point is something that cannot be denied and that is this particular situation was completely unnecessary and would not have happened had weed been legal like it should be.

MrGeezer

How do you figure?

What they FOUND was a small amount of marijuana, which was absolutely NOT what they were looking for.

As in, this whole thing very likely happened because they were looking for something that wasn't there. How is legalizing marijuana going to STOP law enforcement from looking for things that aren't there?

Was the SWAT team looking for huge quantities of marijuana? Well, what about the next time when this kind of incident occurs, and a SWAT team raids a family's home to search for huge quantities of methamphetamines? Is that an argument for legalizing methamphetamine?

What if they were looking for a huge cache of assault weapons and bombs, and only found a single Civil War era rifle? Would the botched job or the fact that a raid was performed in the first place somehow be an argument for unrestricted and unlimited access to all firearms?

Yes, someone likely screwed up royally. How does that screwup lead to the conclusion that marijuana should be legalized? Considering that this seems to be a case of "people looking for something that wasn't there" how is legalizing weed going to somehow STOP SWAT teams from raiding peoples' homes in search of X, only to find that X isn't there?

How do I figure that if weed was legal this particular case wouldn't have happened? Their whole tip was that this guy had huge quantaties of weed. Would they have been doing this raid even if he had large quantaties of weed if weed was legal? NO! Because if weed was legal they wouldn't give a rats ass how much anyone had in their house.

I never said it led to said conclusion. Thing is when it comes to meth and banned firearms those are things that are illegal for good reason. Meth ruins lives (and is dangerous to those around it) and illegal firearms will almost assuredly be used to commit murder.

However, weed is something that is pretty much harmless (as long as one isn't driving high or something). It is NOT addictive and it doesn't ruins peoples health like other drugs do. To see searches like this being conducted for a substance that I ALREADY FEEL should be legal just drives home the point in my mind.

Yes mistakes will happen but at least in those cases they could be making an attempt to control something that actually needs to be controlled. Something that is harmful and illegal for good reason.

In a more strictly logical manner, weed being legal would likely lead to less searches which would lead to less chance of this sort of thing happening.

[QUOTE="MrLions"]Is it bad if I was laughing? :(weezyfb

That same SWAT team I'm sure.

They will bust in and shoot your pet fish and frogs and hell hamster too:P

[QUOTE="MrLions"]Is it bad if I was laughing? :(weezyfb

That same SWAT team I'm sure.

They will bust in and shoot your pet fish and frogs and hell hamster too:P

This is why marijuana should be decriminalized. And holy hell was their intel way off. It makes me wonder how incompetent their law enforcement is. I hope they get sued up the butt on this.

How do I figure that if weed was legal this particular case wouldn't have happened? Their whole tip was that this guy had huge quantaties of weed. Would they have been doing this raid even if he had large quantaties of weed if weed was legal? NO! Because if weed was legal they wouldn't give a rats ass how much anyone had in their house.

LostProphetFLCL

The thing is, he DIDN'T have huge quantities of weed.

So unless we just flat-out legalize EVERYTHING, then this EXACT same situation is still going to happen.

Legalize weed, and next time it'll be some SWAT team doing the exact same kind of raid in order to find large quantities of heroin, only to find a single needle instead. Should heroin be legalized too? Is it a good idea to have the ****ing SWAT team bust into the homes of every person who might possess even a tiny bit of heroin?

And if the intel was bad and they busted in there only to find what they WEREN'T looking for, then how is legalizing weed going to stop a SWAT team from breaking into a family's home and shooting the dogs, only to find nothing but weed?

Just one of possibly many reasons why I'm almost misanthropic.

gamerguru100

I would sue the **** out of the police station for that. A dog in a cage is clearly no threat to police.

It's sad. If you call the police with a real emergency, they'll send a car out when they can squeeze it into their schedule. If you happen to smoke a little weed they'll pull SWAT out on your ass.

I feel so sad for those puppies. A SWAT team for that amount of drugs. Doesn't make sense to me.

although i love everything related to SWAT teams,i have to admit,it was so stupid :(

Freaking pigs

legend26

My thoughts exactly.

I don't see a problem. The SWAT team certainly did a professional job apprehending everyone present and removing all immediate threats in the area. Granted those puppies weren't capable of any real damage, but these guys are only human, they could've made a simple mistake. They may not have, but we have nothing to go on but that video, which doesn't show the dogs. I find it a little strange that they would raid a home with loaded guns just for some weed...

Not a surprise.

Seven shots? Those dogs were juggernaught noobs!

But seriously, that's got the be one of the most disturbing things I've seen, well.... Maybe not, but it still wasn't nice.

i despise all forms of law enforcement. they were "protecting" the children from a gram of marijuana? do you know how much a gram is? that's 1.0, roughly $20 worth of weed. that ain't S***! seriously, WTF? this probably traumatized the children more then the father having marijuana. F' ALL COPS!

positivebalance

Are we going to have go over this again?:roll: I remember you and your idiotic thread againist cops.

Welcome to America. :(

[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

i despise all forms of law enforcement. they were "protecting" the children from a gram of marijuana? do you know how much a gram is? that's 1.0, roughly $20 worth of weed. that ain't S***! seriously, WTF? this probably traumatized the children more then the father having marijuana. F' ALL COPS!

TheShadowLord07

Are we going to have go over this again?:roll: I remember you and your idiotic thread againist cops.

Is it bad if I was laughing? :(MrLions

clearly those dogs were capable of taking out a swat team.

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

i despise all forms of law enforcement. they were "protecting" the children from a gram of marijuana? do you know how much a gram is? that's 1.0, roughly $20 worth of weed. that ain't S***! seriously, WTF? this probably traumatized the children more then the father having marijuana. F' ALL COPS!

positivebalance

Are we going to have go over this again?:roll: I remember you and your idiotic thread againist cops.