SWAT team busts into house and kills 2 puppies over a gram of weed

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

[QUOTE="Kenny789"]What the **** was that for, really?! How was shooting the dog gonna do anything?! Geez, is there anything you can do to get these guys fired or something?MushroomWig

Like many of us have said, coulda been an accident dude.

You hear the dogs crying for their life because they're scared as hell, then all of a sudden you hear a gun shot and silence, I doubt it was an accident, the one in the cage? if your a swat you train to be able to pick out enemies from friendlies, this is a very sick accident if it was...

There just doing there jobs.

Dolohov27

[QUOTE="Dolohov27"]

There just doing there jobs.

Solid-CELL

the guy deserved it, he broke the law.

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"][QUOTE="Dolohov27"]

There just doing there jobs.

Xorital

the guy deserved it, he broke the law.

Welcome to the new police state that is America. This is disgusting; I don't know why the SWAT was even necessary, and I dont know what the guy did, but for some reason that seemed entirely unreasonable simply for a "narcotics search warrant"

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"]screw that. I guy lost to of his dogs, 2 of his family members, for a blunt worth of weed. It seems like one of those pricks needs to go back to training. I hate the cops...Danm_999

the guy deserved it, he broke the law.

As far as im concerned the guy is lower than dirt anyway. so sure why not.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Xorital"]

the guy deserved it, he broke the law.

Xorital

As far as im concerned the guy is lower than dirt anyway. so sure why not.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Poor puppies...

Puppies>children...

TheGrayEye

^ This is the same user who thought it "was awesome" to watch someone get murdered on camera, and somehow believes a dog's life is more valuable than an innocent kid's. Please take your head, and slam it through your desk, because it's probably the only way to knock some sense into you.

I never said that if you're referring to me..

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Breaking the law does not give the police carte blanche to treat you as they like.Danm_999

As far as im concerned the guy is lower than dirt anyway. so sure why not.

that's life, gotta deal.

I grew up during a hard time, this is hardley warrant of anyones pity.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Xorital"]

As far as im concerned the guy is lower than dirt anyway. so sure why not.

Xorital

that's life, gotta deal.

I grew up during a hard time, this is hardley warrant of anyones pity.

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Because that's not how due process and rule of law work. Because it's a needless waste of everybody's time and resources. Because it's downright dangerous for SWAT times to be discharging their firearms multiple times near children. Because it has severely disadvantaged several people (ie: his children) completely innocent of the father's crimes. Should I go on?Danm_999

that's life, gotta deal.

I grew up during a hard time, this is hardley warrant of anyones pity.

Wasnt gonna make it about me, leaving it at that.

The kids will grow up and be fine, the dog won't even matter to them in the long run. They will be happy to have gotten away from their drug abusive father, maybe even physicaly abusive father. They will have a better life in the long run, if not then sucks.

Welcome to the new police state that is America. This is disgusting; I don't know why the SWAT was even necessary, and I dont know what the guy did, but for some reason that seemed entirely unreasonable simply for a "narcotics search warrant"

mrbojangles25

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Xorital"]

that's life, gotta deal.

I grew up during a hard time, this is hardley warrant of anyones pity.

Xorital

Wasnt gonna make it about me, leaving it at that.

The kids will grow up and be fine, the dog won't even matter to them in the long run. They will be happy to have gotten away from their drug abusive father, maybe even physicaly abusive father. They will have a better life in the long run, if not then sucks.

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] As much as I'm sure we'd all enjoy making this thread about how hard things were for you growing up, let's skip the narcissism and examine how "that's life" is such a pitiful justification for this debacle.Danm_999

Wasnt gonna make it about me, leaving it at that.

The kids will grow up and be fine, the dog won't even matter to them in the long run. They will be happy to have gotten away from their drug abusive father, maybe even physicaly abusive father. They will have a better life in the long run, if not then sucks.

Usually those who abuse drugs also abuse those around them.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

How do I figure that if weed was legal this particular case wouldn't have happened? Their whole tip was that this guy had huge quantaties of weed. Would they have been doing this raid even if he had large quantaties of weed if weed was legal? NO! Because if weed was legal they wouldn't give a rats ass how much anyone had in their house.

MrGeezer

The thing is, he DIDN'T have huge quantities of weed.

So unless we just flat-out legalize EVERYTHING, then this EXACT same situation is still going to happen.

Legalize weed, and next time it'll be some SWAT team doing the exact same kind of raid in order to find large quantities of heroin, only to find a single needle instead. Should heroin be legalized too? Is it a good idea to have the ****ing SWAT team bust into the homes of every person who might possess even a tiny bit of heroin?

And if the intel was bad and they busted in there only to find what they WEREN'T looking for, then how is legalizing weed going to stop a SWAT team from breaking into a family's home and shooting the dogs, only to find nothing but weed?

But he DID have weed did he not?

Do you think this bad intel just came from nothing? I bet you he was a known pot-head which is likely what led to that intel.

And no, this situation happened BECAUSE of weed being illegal. Will mistakes still happen? Yes. But THIS ONE SITUATION would NOT have happened if weed was legal. You cannot argue this either. The only reason police were there was because he was believed to have alot of WEED. Not heroin, not crack, WEED.

You obviously aren't able to grasp simple concepts here because like I said if weed is legal (which I already thought it should be and have alot of good reasoning for that way beyond this incident) that is one less reason for SWAT to raid houses which would likely mean less raids in general and therefore less chance for mistakes to happen.

I recommend you take a moment and read this stuff multpile times before posting so maybe you can actually grasp these concepts because really you are appear to be incapable of understanding what I am saying.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Xorital"]

Wasnt gonna make it about me, leaving it at that.

The kids will grow up and be fine, the dog won't even matter to them in the long run. They will be happy to have gotten away from their drug abusive father, maybe even physicaly abusive father. They will have a better life in the long run, if not then sucks.

Xorital

Usually those who abuse drugs also abuse those around them.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] I said I cared more about the kid(which a fews years and probably therapy will fix) to compare just how much I really don't care for the dogs dying.HybridPhoenix

And I really don't care much about the kids traumatic experience and care deeply about the dogs.

This is essentially how I feel. Though it's for some reason taboo.

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] So he's gone from smoking weed to physically beating them? Gosh while we're at it, maybe he's in Al Qaeda.Danm_999

Usually those who abuse drugs also abuse those around them.

of course reality isnt always the same as statistics.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

How do I figure that if weed was legal this particular case wouldn't have happened? Their whole tip was that this guy had huge quantaties of weed. Would they have been doing this raid even if he had large quantaties of weed if weed was legal? NO! Because if weed was legal they wouldn't give a rats ass how much anyone had in their house.

LostProphetFLCL

The thing is, he DIDN'T have huge quantities of weed.

So unless we just flat-out legalize EVERYTHING, then this EXACT same situation is still going to happen.

Legalize weed, and next time it'll be some SWAT team doing the exact same kind of raid in order to find large quantities of heroin, only to find a single needle instead. Should heroin be legalized too? Is it a good idea to have the ****ing SWAT team bust into the homes of every person who might possess even a tiny bit of heroin?

And if the intel was bad and they busted in there only to find what they WEREN'T looking for, then how is legalizing weed going to stop a SWAT team from breaking into a family's home and shooting the dogs, only to find nothing but weed?

But he DID have weed did he not?

Do you think this bad intel just came from nothing? I bet you he was a known pot-head which is likely what led to that intel.

And no, this situation happened BECAUSE of weed being illegal. Will mistakes still happen? Yes. But THIS ONE SITUATION would NOT have happened if weed was legal. You cannot argue this either. The only reason police were there was because he was believed to have alot of WEED. Not heroin, not crack, WEED.

You obviously aren't able to grasp simple concepts here because like I said if weed is legal (which I already thought it should be and have alot of good reasoning for that way beyond this incident) that is one less reason for SWAT to raid houses which would likely mean less raids in general and therefore less chance for mistakes to happen.

I recommend you take a moment and read this stuff multpile times before posting so maybe you can actually grasp these concepts because really you are appear to be incapable of understanding what I am saying.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Xorital"]

Usually those who abuse drugs also abuse those around them.

Xorital

of course reality isnt always the same as statistics.

You seem to be flip flopping based on what supports your "argument".

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Of course, very scientific. Forget that most studies demonstrate marijuana actually retards aggression, unlike say alcohol or meth.Danm_999

of course reality isnt always the same as statistics.

I will admit, on a calmer note I cannot describe what I wanna say as easily as others if that helps.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Xorital"]

Wasnt gonna make it about me, leaving it at that.

The kids will grow up and be fine, the dog won't even matter to them in the long run. They will be happy to have gotten away from their drug abusive father, maybe even physicaly abusive father. They will have a better life in the long run, if not then sucks.

Xorital

Usually those who abuse drugs also abuse those around them.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Xorital"]

of course reality isnt always the same as statistics.

Xorital

I will admit, on a calmer note I cannot describe what I wanna say as easily as others if that helps.

Missouri is pretty strict on their pot laws there, supposedly the two dogs in question was a corgi and a pit bull and although the SWAT team was doing their jobs under state law it was still pretty excessive on their part. I think the whole issue regarding pot in general needs to be re-examined because stuff like this is pretty ridiculous when in most other states it would have just been a 50 dollar fine or something of that nature not a SWAT team attack while you're at home.xXDrPainXx

[QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]Missouri is pretty strict on their pot laws there, supposedly the two dogs in question was a corgi and a pit bull and although the SWAT team was doing their jobs under state law it was still pretty excessive on their part. I think the whole issue regarding pot in general needs to be re-examined because stuff like this is pretty ridiculous when in most other states it would have just been a 50 dollar fine or something of that nature not a SWAT team attack while you're at home.positivebalance

You don't go into a house full of possibly armed men with a ton of drugs in their home with nightsticks and handcuffs. The intel didn't say it was an unarmed father with one bag of weed, did it?

[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

[QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]Missouri is pretty strict on their pot laws there, supposedly the two dogs in question was a corgi and a pit bull and although the SWAT team was doing their jobs under state law it was still pretty excessive on their part. I think the whole issue regarding pot in general needs to be re-examined because stuff like this is pretty ridiculous when in most other states it would have just been a 50 dollar fine or something of that nature not a SWAT team attack while you're at home.ex-mortis

You don't go into a house full of possibly armed men with a ton of drugs in their home with nightsticks and handcuffs. The intel didn't say it was an unarmed father with one bag of weed, did it?

Good thing they didn't call in a pair of stealth bombers for air support.

i dont think i have ever hated the police so much....

legend26

That's just pure evil. 1 gram? Of WEED? God forbid people smoke something natural and harmless.. Better kill their dogs and scare their children to death!

I hope they die. Animals don't deserve that kind of crap from idiots with guns.

But he DID have weed did he not?

Do you think this bad intel just came from nothing? I bet you he was a known pot-head which is likely what led to that intel.

And no, this situation happened BECAUSE of weed being illegal. Will mistakes still happen? Yes. But THIS ONE SITUATION would NOT have happened if weed was legal. You cannot argue this either. The only reason police were there was because he was believed to have alot of WEED. Not heroin, not crack, WEED.

You obviously aren't able to grasp simple concepts here because like I said if weed is legal (which I already thought it should be and have alot of good reasoning for that way beyond this incident) that is one less reason for SWAT to raid houses which would likely mean less raids in general and therefore less chance for mistakes to happen.

I recommend you take a moment and read this stuff multpile times before posting so maybe you can actually grasp these concepts because really you are appear to be incapable of understanding what I am saying.

LostProphetFLCL

Being a known pothead led to this raid? Really?

Is that why the tons of other known potheads around the country aren't being raided by ****ing SWAT teams?

And frankly, if we establish that use of marijuana causes these kinds of things, then the DAD should have been responsible enough to not smoke pot when he knew that using it could put his children in danger.

Okay why the hell did they eaven freaking shoot puppies?

Was the SWAT team Cynophobic or something?

*bursts trough door*
"oh **** dogs!!!!"
*boom boom boom boom!*

Okay why the hell did they eaven freaking shoot puppies?

Was the SWAT team Cynophobic or something?

*bursts trough door*
"oh **** dogs!!!!"
*boom boom boom boom!*

chaplainDMK

Well I could understand 1 dog.. if you are entering a dark home of a suspected armed and dangerous drug dealer and something jumps out at you I could see someone squeezing the trigger there.. but two dogs? Wtf lol

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

But he DID have weed did he not?

Do you think this bad intel just came from nothing? I bet you he was a known pot-head which is likely what led to that intel.

And no, this situation happened BECAUSE of weed being illegal. Will mistakes still happen? Yes. But THIS ONE SITUATION would NOT have happened if weed was legal. You cannot argue this either. The only reason police were there was because he was believed to have alot of WEED. Not heroin, not crack, WEED.

You obviously aren't able to grasp simple concepts here because like I said if weed is legal (which I already thought it should be and have alot of good reasoning for that way beyond this incident) that is one less reason for SWAT to raid houses which would likely mean less raids in general and therefore less chance for mistakes to happen.

I recommend you take a moment and read this stuff multpile times before posting so maybe you can actually grasp these concepts because really you are appear to be incapable of understanding what I am saying.

MrGeezer

Being a known pothead led to this raid? Really?

Is that why the tons of other known potheads around the country aren't being raided by ****ing SWAT teams?

And frankly, if we establish that use of marijuana causes these kinds of things, then the DAD should have been responsible enough to not smoke pot when he knew that using it could put his children in danger.

That's my theory.

Yes known potheads usually don't get raided, but you have to figure the police had SOME reason to believe the bad intel that they got. I seriously doubt they would organize such an intense raid on someone who had no criminal history or anything. I am guessing the dad isn't a saint and has some sort of history that would lead them to go about such an intense raid. I am also guessing that whoever GAVE them said intel knew this guy smoked weed.

Marijuana did not cause these things, weed being ILLEGAL did. Very big difference.

I will not stand up for the dad though. One should not be having illegal substances, no matter how minimal the amount, around children. I have a big enough issue with people smoking cigarettes around kids (I have serious breathing problems likely made worse by cigarette exposure) let alone someone having an ILLEGAL substance in the house. Even if weed does get legalized, I really don't think a good parent would have it around their kids at least at such a young age.

A truey responsible parent would not do anything illegal in order to make sure they don't ever get arrested and thrown in jail.

The SWAT team's members did the right thing

Their job is to take down the target and whatever might interfere with that

I'm sorry but that means any dogs in the house have to be killed, there's no way around it.

If you don't kill the dogs and one of the is able to distract a SWAT member by attacking and the suspect hurts another SWAT member that's their fault.

This is another reason why you shouldn't do illegal things

You guys hear ''puppies get shot'' and your up in arms to take down the police, pathetic.

It was more than likley a mistake, this guy hording weed is to blame and so is the intel that was given to them and who honestly cares of a puppy dies to get a bad person off the street, atleast the kids werent hurt.

Xorital

And what about this dog? When I saw it on t.v, when inside edition was covering the story, the first time they showed this, they actually showed the dog getting shot. You can plainly see the dog head being obliterated and its body rolling off to the side. I was shocked that they showed something so graphic on regular t.v. But when they did a follow up the next day, they zoomed the camera toward the center of the screen so it didn't show the dog being shot. Even though the video quality is bad, I will still warn you that it's pretty graphic.....

I just noticed, you can read the description of the video to find out what happen...

The SWAT team's members did the right thing

Their job is to take down the target and whatever might interfere with that

I'm sorry but that means any dogs in the house have to be killed, there's no way around it.

If you don't kill the dogs and one of the is able to distract a SWAT member by attacking and the suspect hurts another SWAT member that's their fault.

This is another reason why you shouldn't do illegal things

Jaysonguy