SWAT team busts into house and kills 2 puppies over a gram of weed

[QUOTE="billnye69"]

[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]They're just doing their jobs. :| What are they supposed to do, go in there and start handing out bags of candy to keep everyone from scattering??

bacon_is_sweet

I just hate weapons like crazy.

Are you serious, what are you suggesting they do then? Have a pillow fight?

I loled. Guns are here to stay, whether we like them or not. I actually see a good argument for both sides of the "everyone should have a gun" debate, that's why I don't take part in that talk.

[QUOTE="bruinfan617"][QUOTE="billnye69"]

I hate weapons, anyone using a gun for any reason is a coward. If you need a gun to feel powerful and in control of other people, you're a piece of garbage. My opinion, don't like it......tough.

billnye69

Police have tons of non-lethal weapons these days, they are also trained in many types of martial arts. They don't need guns.

If criminals want guns, they WILL get them. Do you expect them to go Bruce Lee on an armed thug? Seriously?

[QUOTE="billnye69"]

[QUOTE="bruinfan617"] I would agree with you if they weren't law enforcement. They need to carry weapons otherwise they'd be defenseless in quite possibly the most dangerous job in the world.TheGrayEye

Police have tons of non-lethal weapons these days, they are also trained in many types of martial arts. They don't need guns.

If criminals want guns, they WILL get them.

Police are suppose to show that they are better then the criminals they fight, which is why they should be using non-lethal weapons. Cops killing a killer makes them just as guilty as the man they were chasing and no better then he was.

Lol we should definitely be able to maintain a weapon or else how are you going to defend yourself? wait for the police to show up like 20 hours later

[QUOTE="billnye69"]

[QUOTE="bruinfan617"] I would agree with you if they weren't law enforcement. They need to carry weapons otherwise they'd be defenseless in quite possibly the most dangerous job in the world.TheGrayEye

Police have tons of non-lethal weapons these days, they are also trained in many types of martial arts. They don't need guns.

If criminals want guns, they WILL get them. Do you expect them to go Bruce Lee on an armed thug? Seriously?

There was a story in the news about a gang of 4 people who tried to rob a Marine on the street, he was unarmed and they had guns and knifes. He won and without killing anyone. Tazer, beanbag launchers, rubber bullets....etc. Cops don't need guns.

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

[QUOTE="billnye69"]

Police have tons of non-lethal weapons these days, they are also trained in many types of martial arts. They don't need guns.

billnye69

If criminals want guns, they WILL get them.

Police are suppose to show that they are better then the criminals they fight, which is why they should be using non-lethal weapons. Cops killing a killer makes them just as guilty as the man they were chasing and no better then he was.

Are you serious?

I'm shocked that you would risk the lives of everyone upholding the law just because you don't like guns

I'm not particularly thrilled with guns but I don't go as far as to say that every single man and woman trying to defend the laws in this country should have their lives put at risk because they don't have the correct tools for the job

who records a swat raid and puts it on youtube?hawkboy_4

Exactly what I was thinking :?

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

[QUOTE="billnye69"]

Police have tons of non-lethal weapons these days, they are also trained in many types of martial arts. They don't need guns.

billnye69

If criminals want guns, they WILL get them.

Police are suppose to show that they are better then the criminals they fight, which is why they should be using non-lethal weapons. Cops killing a killer makes them just as guilty as the man they were chasing and no better then he was.

The only way I would agree with you, is if they created an incredibly effective, semi-automatic tazer gun of sorts. I don't know if that's possible to make yet though, I dunno much about that stuff. So for now, guns are obviously the only choice they have, because if you have several armed men against a cop, he's probably going to die if he's unarmed, unless he throws his night stick like a boomerang, and it hits them all in the head...

who records a swat raid and puts it on youtube?hawkboy_4

they do it all the time, probably for evidence incase something goes wrong... check out these Dutch commandos boarding a somalian pirate ship

[QUOTE="hawkboy_4"]who records a swat raid and puts it on youtube?sarahxox

Exactly what I was thinking :?

On another note, assuming the guy recording was NOT a cop, if couldn't have been that dangerous from the get go, if they would let him follow and record them. Why would they have a cop just go in and record, assuming this time it was a cop? I don't know.

EDIT: Nevermind, Gamedude pretty much just answered my question. Also, cool video ^

[QUOTE="billnye69"]

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

If criminals want guns, they WILL get them.

Jaysonguy

Police are suppose to show that they are better then the criminals they fight, which is why they should be using non-lethal weapons. Cops killing a killer makes them just as guilty as the man they were chasing and no better then he was.

Are you serious?

I'm shocked that you would risk the lives of everyone upholding the law just because you don't like guns

I'm not particularly thrilled with guns but I don't go as far as to say that every single man and woman trying to defend the laws in this country should have their lives put at risk because they don't have the correct tools for the job

Go read my posts that lists many non-lethal alternatives. Also, police in Britian don't use guns and they seem to be getting a long just fine.

On another note, assuming the guy recording was NOT a cop, if couldn't have been that dangerous from the get go, if they would let him follow and record them. Why would they have a cop just go in and record, assuming this time it was a cop? I don't know.

TheGrayEye

:?of course it was a cop.... are you suggesting some random guy off the street just decided to tag along?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="billnye69"]

Police are suppose to show that they are better then the criminals they fight, which is why they should be using non-lethal weapons. Cops killing a killer makes them just as guilty as the man they were chasing and no better then he was.

billnye69

Are you serious?

I'm shocked that you would risk the lives of everyone upholding the law just because you don't like guns

I'm not particularly thrilled with guns but I don't go as far as to say that every single man and woman trying to defend the laws in this country should have their lives put at risk because they don't have the correct tools for the job

Go read my posts that lists many non-lethal alternatives. Also, police in Britian don't use guns and they seem to be getting a long just fine.

I read and they're asking for death (EDIT: If they used those methods)

Guns aren't inherently evil, I mean I have no idea what past experience you have with guns but it's evident that that you need to face the fact that good guys need guns just like bad guys do.

To look down at the people who help protect you just because you don't like guns is really out of bounds

Also you're wrong about Brittish police forces, their SWAT teams most certainly do use weapons

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

On another note, assuming the guy recording was NOT a cop, if couldn't have been that dangerous from the get go, if they would let him follow and record them. Why would they have a cop just go in and record, assuming this time it was a cop? I don't know.

gamedude2020

:?of course it was a cop.... are you suggesting some random guy off the street just decided to tag along?

Lol I just changed my post. I figured it was a news cameraman or something (like how they sometimes get footage in Iraq). A random guy doesn't sound like much of a good idea...

[QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="cmpepper23"]I hope they die. Animals don't deserve that kind of crap from idiots with guns.Nagru

The SWAT team needs to be executed for their sheer stupidity, cruelty -(Cut)rzepak

There is something horribly wrong with this topic.

Seems like many people didn't actually watch the video, or read the article, and a lot of the responses seem completely disproportionate to what happened. So many people just leapt to the conclusion that the police were evil, but at a level that makes me think you guys assume they're child-murderers in disguise.

Wait, I take that last comment back. As others have pointed out, some of the same people posting terrible things here, found the murder of children in a seperate thread to be a subject of humour.

Heck, the problems not just with this topic, it's with a lot of the OT community now. The hatred and intolerance seen in some of these threads simply doesn't match up with my memories of this place. I just don't understand...

[QUOTE="MrLions"]Is it bad if I was laughing? :(MushroomWig

[QUOTE="Nagru"]

[QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="rzepak"]The SWAT team needs to be executed for their sheer stupidity, cruelty -(Cut)Shottayouth13-

There is something horribly wrong with this topic.

Seems like many people didn't actually watch the video, or read the article, and a lot of the responses seem completely disproportionate to what happened. So many people just leapt to the conclusion that the police were evil, but at a level that makes me think you guys assume they're child-murderers in disguise.

Wait, I take that last comment back. As others have pointed out, some of the same people posting terrible things here, found the murder of children in a seperate thread to be a subject of humour.

Heck, the problems not just with this topic, it's with a lot of the OT community now. The hatred and intolerance seen in some of these threads simply doesn't match up with my memories of this place. I just don't understand...

Agreed. A lot of ignorance and trying to fit in on this forum over the past year or so. Intelligence is almost nonexistent here.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="MrLions"]Is it bad if I was laughing? :(MrLions

I'm a cop and have all the respect in the world for every person I encounter until thier respect for me ends. Then it's on. It's a shame we only hear the bad things that occure in my profession. In the past week I've witnessed a man who was ran over by atruck with his brain all over the pavement, at 21 year old kid hanging from a beam in his ceiling dead for a good 5 days and had to contact his family, had a 20 year old female die in my arms due to 20 stab wounds to her back and a cut across her throat and just today got in a foot pursuit with a serial rapist who jumped out a second story window. I did catch him by the way. Those were just the big things through the week. Not to mention all the domestic violence disputes, robbery to individuals, accident investigations, burglaries, drunks and god knows what I deal with on an hourly basis where I work. If you haven't done the job, you don't know the mentality or what happens other than what the media displays us as. A majority ofcops are not bad. My modo is that you catch more bee's with honey and am actually a well respected officer where I work and people on the street know how I work and there is an understanding. I'm off my rant I guess but the cop bashing is out of control and most of it is phony and trying to act cool and fit in.

if you have under 4g of marijuana it isn't a criminal offence anyway, so WTH? anf my regards to the puppies...i guess...

From what I gathered from the video, that seemed pretty unnecessary...

That being said, I'm pretty sure this realm is circling the drain.

dude wtf they killed a corgi in a cage, friggen idiots

[QUOTE="MrLions"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] No respect for othe people, yeah..you're going to be a cop one day.drufeous

I'm a cop and have all the respect in the world for every person I encounter until thier respect for me ends. Then it's on. It's a shame we only hear the bad things that occure in my profession. In the past week I've witnessed a man who was ran over by atruck with his brain all over the pavement, at 21 year old kid hanging from a beam in his ceiling dead for a good 5 days and had to contact his family, had a 20 year old female die in my arms due to 20 stab wounds to her back and a cut across her throat and just today got in a foot pursuit with a serial rapist who jumped out a second story window. I did catch him by the way. Those were just the big things through the week. Not to mention all the domestic violence disputes, robbery to individuals, accident investigations, burglaries, drunks and god knows what I deal with on an hourly basis where I work. If you haven't done the job, you don't know the mentality or what happens other than what the media displays us as. A majority ofcops are not bad. My modo is that you catch more bee's with honey and am actually a well respected officer where I work and people on the street know how I work and there is an understanding. I'm off my rant I guess but the cop bashing is out of control and most of it is phony and trying to act cool and fit in.

[QUOTE="rzepak"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

So you don't want them to be quick and efficient?

Instead you want a SWAT team that makes sure it's a good time, helps the pets out of the building, maybe calls ahead?

The target isn't a priority?

Jaysonguy

And you think breaking into the house and terrorizing a child, murdering harmless dogs for weed is the right way to go? Id prefer they used common sense instead of being quick and efficient. Soon being quick and efficient will be throwing a grenade into the house and killing all inside or instead of catching a running culprit cops will just run him over with a car. To me it does not matter if the whole raid was by the books what was done was unnecesary and sick and the shooter desrves to die like a dog.

They went sent in to grab a target

They did everything by the book in getting that target

I applaud them for what they did, they handled that incredibly well. They had to take down 2 animals and avoid hurting a child while arresting that person.

I'm confused why you think what they did was so bad.

Seriously! In that situation that's the best they could've done?! Where did they even recieve information that the guy was a drug lord, or whatever they called him, when he clearly isn't?! And then shooting two puppies...one in a cage...infront of a kid. God damn!

This just shows what impulsive drama queens cops are, you give a person a gun and they feel they have the world in the palm of their hands.

And a gram is not enough to do any REAL damage and there isn't any mention of him selling loads of it. :|

They SHOULD be busting serial murders and bombers, not looking for grams of marijuana in some random, unthreatening guys home.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The SWAT team's members did the right thing

Their job is to take down the target and whatever might interfere with that

I'm sorry but that means any dogs in the house have to be killed, there's no way around it.

If you don't kill the dogs and one of the is able to distract a SWAT member by attacking and the suspect hurts another SWAT member that's their fault.

This is another reason why you shouldn't do illegal things

Jaysonguy

Really?

You'd be ok if a SWAT team moved like that?

"Ok before we break in we see they have 2 dogs and a cat, now Tom you grab the brown dog and Tony guy grab the black one and Toby? Yeah see if you can get the cat out of there. The rest of us will hold the suspects until you get back"

No, their entire job means they have enter and neutralize the situation as fast as possible, that means that pets are on the expendable list because they'll only get in the way. There is not one reason to let the pets live in that situation.

Regardless of regulation, shooting an animal who isn't really aware of the danger it's in or doesn't reallly know that it's in the way of people doing their job and taking its life over something so small is never okay. The situation could always be handled different without extinguishing a innocent life....

The funny thing about these things though is that the police could be doing 90% of everything correctly and people will only see the 10% they have done wrong.

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

i despise all forms of law enforcement. they were "protecting" the children from a gram of marijuana? do you know how much a gram is? that's 1.0, roughly $20 worth of weed. that ain't S***! seriously, WTF? this probably traumatized the children more then the father having marijuana. F' ALL COPS!

positivebalance

Are we going to have go over this again?:roll: I remember you and your idiotic thread againist cops.

and i find it sad that you find all law enforcements corrupt.

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Actually everything they did was by the book so before saying others don't know what the rules are you better go look for yourself

Jaysonguy

No, that's exactly what it means

They did everything by the book which means that when making up the procedure of things to do in these cases they decided this was the right course of action

What that SWAT team did was most certainly right, I don't know how anyone could even argue against what they did.

The funny thing about these things though is that the police could be doing 90% of everything correctly and people will only see the 10% they have done wrong.

Espada12

Tho you gotta admit it, that a SWAT team kills 2 small puppies (one in a cage). I would understand if it was atleast something that could bite you in your nuts, but seirusly? What can a freaking corgi do? Lick your ankles?

But i agree, I dont understand whats with the whole bad vibe around cops. They are the guys that protect you from the day you are born to the day you die, they are the guys that make sure that you dont kill yourself on the road because you drive under the influence or too fast, they are the guys that will risk their freaking lives combating all kinds of criminals (many times heavily armed), they are the guys you would always call if you hear someone is in your house...

And yet they still dont have much respect from the people.

It's not the officers in most cases, it's the policy. Also, 1 bad thing can wipe out a whole mountain of good. That's the way it goes with everything. There are many, many good officers that do their job and do it well but it only takes 1 bad cop to ruin the attitudes of many people.

[QUOTE="drufeous"]

[QUOTE="MrLions"] Computer Engineer actually :POn3ShotOneKill

I'm a cop and have all the respect in the world for every person I encounter until thier respect for me ends. Then it's on. It's a shame we only hear the bad things that occure in my profession. In the past week I've witnessed a man who was ran over by atruck with his brain all over the pavement, at 21 year old kid hanging from a beam in his ceiling dead for a good 5 days and had to contact his family, had a 20 year old female die in my arms due to 20 stab wounds to her back and a cut across her throat and just today got in a foot pursuit with a serial rapist who jumped out a second story window. I did catch him by the way. Those were just the big things through the week. Not to mention all the domestic violence disputes, robbery to individuals, accident investigations, burglaries, drunks and god knows what I deal with on an hourly basis where I work. If you haven't done the job, you don't know the mentality or what happens other than what the media displays us as. A majority ofcops are not bad. My modo is that you catch more bee's with honey and am actually a well respected officer where I work and people on the street know how I work and there is an understanding. I'm off my rant I guess but the cop bashing is out of control and most of it is phony and trying to act cool and fit in.

I too thank him for his service, we need people who are willing to enforce the law.

I really dont see the point in sending a whole SWAT team to such a minor incident, 2 policemen could have handled the situation quite well.

shooting the dogs was uncalled for, if they were big dogs that actually attacked the team then it would be justified, but puppies??

a waste of money, time and life. there are people with far more drugs in their house that dont get noticed.

Why do they need like 5 guys to get a minor drug dealers. They knwe they were childreen in there so why... MAn im f*ing Pissed now. THey need to train SWAt better. Poor dog, and poor childreen. They better pay for this.

[QUOTE="Dolohov27"]

There just doing there jobs.

gamer-117

I never had much respect for police officers, they're arrogant and think they're god-like, there are cool, down to earth police officers too, but its becoming more and more rare, and its only going to get worse. This video makes me, irate!:evil:

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

The funny thing about these things though is that the police could be doing 90% of everything correctly and people will only see the 10% they have done wrong.

chaplainDMK

Tho you gotta admit it, that a SWAT team kills 2 small puppies (one in a cage). I would understand if it was atleast something that could bite you in your nuts, but seirusly? What can a freaking corgi do? Lick your ankles?

But i agree, I dont understand whats with the whole bad vibe around cops. They are the guys that protect you from the day you are born to the day you die, they are the guys that make sure that you dont kill yourself on the road because you drive under the influence or too fast, they are the guys that will risk their freaking lives combating all kinds of criminals (many times heavily armed), they are the guys you would always call if you hear someone is in your house...

And yet they still dont have much respect from the people.

It's all those anti-establishment people. Some people have legitimate reasons for not liking cops, but I suspect the vast majority are just jumping on the hate bandwagon.

O god, you people defending the cops are pathetic. Watch the video, you hear PLENTY of shots to the dogs. Why the hell would you need more than 1? Not to mention these SWAT officers are in full armour how the **** is a dog dangerous? O, but guess why they went in there at night guns blazing? For a grinder, a tiny bit of weed and a pipe. That sounds like some perfect reasoning there.Ringx55

Why are people harbouring on the reasoning they went in there? If an entire swat team was called obviously they were expecting something else, stop making it out to be they ran in with a whole swat team for a tiny bit of weed and a pipe.. seriously you people need to use your common sense here.

Secondly the dog killing was excessive force, no one except that one guy is defending that, but I could see them shooting one dog by getting spooked but not two, unless they both ran in together. Of course people would still hate on them even though none of us have ever gone into a suspected drug dealer's house who is presumed to be so dangerous a swat team is called to do a search.

[QUOTE="gamer-117"][QUOTE="Dolohov27"]

There just doing there jobs.

Snipes_2

It doesn't mention puppies or more than one or them being caged, infact unlike what they are reporting judging by the guy's reaction "she probably only came to play with you" I assume they weren't cage and there's only one.